assbot: Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 183 @ 0.00439984 = 0.8052 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: HELP ;SOME IS STEALING MY BITCOIN;IT GOT 1 CONFIRMATION!!! 1min ago
assbot: Retargetable Decompiler
assbot: Yahoo quarterly earnings: Plunging ad prices pull down revenue.
Mats_cd03: mostly average overall but decompilation of asm to c is pretty good
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 35 @ 0.02890175 = 1.0116 BTC [-]
Mats_cd03: i cant say i like working with ida
copumpkin: asciilifeform: have you seen hopper?
mike_c: kakobrekla: i have heard that the das mechanical keyboards are the modern version of the m, and they have a silent version. i tried one for a few minutes once and liked it. but not ergonomic.
copumpkin: asciilifeform: yeah, the decompiler output seems kinda flaky and silly. The Mac OS thing doesn't seem like a big deal that makes it a "monopoly"
copumpkin: alternatives exist, and buying a mac and hopper can be cheaper than getting hex rays :P
mike_c: they use mechanical switches. not sure what mx means
kakobrekla: interestingly, the ergonomic model m goes for about a grand on ebay when it pops up from time to time
assbot: Mechanical Keyboard Guide | Das Keyboard Blog
Mats_cd03: im not good with ida and i cant comment on substitutes, although i have spent a fair amount of time trying (radare, mostly)
copumpkin: well, from what I've seen (i just started tinkering with hopper a couple of days ago, so I dunno), the basic hopper disassembler interface/functionality isn't all that different from IDA's
copumpkin: asciilifeform: unless you like obscure CPUs
mike_c: kakobrekla: yes. "Cherry MX mechanical key switches with gold contacts"
Mats_cd03: as well as a project known as vivisect, which is also python like radare
kakobrekla: which ones did you get? theres like 10 kinds.
Mats_cd03: decompiler? not to be seen. but, other RE tools are for the most part available...
assbot: Das Keyboard Model S Ultimate | Mechanical Keyboard
mike_c: i can't do non-ergonomic
BingoBoingo: mike_c: It's 2014 already. Why are they censoring the keyboard's clit?
mike_c: i like the split and raised ones
mike_c: BingoBoingo: you lost me :)
mike_c: i haven't seen it, which is why i don't own one.
BingoBoingo: mike_c: A proper keyboard (portable machine or not) ought to have a Thinkpad style clit.
mike_c: interesting. i've never tried the split and flat ones
mike_c: BingoBoingo: you mean the little rubber dot in the middle? you use that thing?
assbot: 500 - Internal server error.
mike_c: i only use those for bringing to datacenter
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 200 @ 0.0028299 = 0.566 BTC [-]
dub: clit is useless without stinkpad scroll key tho
BingoBoingo: What does no one have a scroll button on their keyboards either?
mike_c: kakobrekla: wtf :) no wasd keys?
dub: extra 1mm throw is making me laggy
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 604 @ 0.0028299 = 1.7093 BTC [-]
mike_c: mpex-otc. wadda you want.
dub: kakobrekla: waiting for diehard cs 1.6 players to take fingers back to first knuckle now
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 800 @ 0.0026715 = 2.1372 BTC [-] {20}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 249 @ 0.00263257 = 0.6555 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: Only a few days old, OpenSSL fork LibreSSL is declared unsafe for Linux | Ars Technica
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 255 @ 0.00261288 = 0.6663 BTC [-] {6}
mircea_popescu: so whenever reddit gets inflamed about the injustice of mp, bitbet gets carpetbombed with bets.
mircea_popescu: maybe i should kidnap some of these kids and torture them in my basement, to fix the economy ?
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03: SetThreadContext is non-deterministically broken from XP x64 SP0 to Server 2008 R1 x64 SP2 <<< ahahahaha
mircea_popescu: i keep buying the funny papers and reading this chan. then i lol here and i am all disappointed in the funny papers.
nubbins`: was just about to ask if they carry Hi and Lois
BingoBoingo: Dictation much like keyboarding is a skill.
mircea_popescu: "{to be honest timmy, having read your attempts to make a pump and dump coin, to also make a HYIP scam.. i feel sorry for anyone losing coin... but not so much with you."
BingoBoingo: Most disturbing part about that report was he had a whole BTC to lose.
mircea_popescu: "i downloaded this from here, and clicked on it,while my virus program was not activ.i just wanted to see"
BingoBoingo: The site hosting the malware in question if you make to the end of the thread atm was revealed to be a "cheat" for some coinflip gambling game.
BingoBoingo: You'd think when somone creates the sort of tool he googled and instead recieved a virus for the tool's creator would instead bleed the target dry.
mircea_popescu: mike_c: i like the split and raised ones << i've never used one of the splitsd
mircea_popescu: copumpkin: I thought it was gonna be monday << so did i.
assbot: Only a few days old, OpenSSL fork LibreSSL is declared unsafe for Linux | Ars Technica
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, it was born knowing it would be the RNG. The problem is do the devs make shims or does Linuxen fix itself
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: In the comments you can see the new psyops angle, "The cruft was good! Mysterymeat Nourishes!"
BingoBoingo: The problem of taking action to fix a problem is that at some point you will have to take more action.
cazalla: yo i heard you like #bitcoin-assets so we put mircea_popescu in your dreams so you can #bitcoin-assets while you sleep, no homo
BingoBoingo:
http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20140715120259 << "The question now was how to integrate it. OpenBSD developers don't like huge diffs for a very good reason. After fixing the inode format and adding new flags, Ted pointed out the ancient rule "whoever touched it last now becomes the maintainer" was valid even here."
assbot: g2k14: Martin Pelikan on ext4, filesystems in general
cazalla: mircea_popescu, so i had this dream about you, in a lobby, it was eyes wide shut-esque except you wouldn't let me come upstairs where the women were but then you sent 2 down to me at the bar so i was content
cazalla: logs were a good read this morning
BingoBoingo: Eh, sometimes I have nightmares where truffles is still on BA and somehow IPO'd his hatred of reading.
gribble: truffles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 13 weeks, 4 days, 6 hours, and 29 seconds ago: <truffles> tell me when the experiment is over
hanbot: ba nightmares would make a pretty good compendium
cazalla: who me? no, wasn't that sort of dream
assbot: BitBet - BTC to top $800 before August :: 2.7 B (24%) on Yes, 8.73 B (76%) on No | closing in 1 week 5 days | weight: 81`867 (100`000 to 1)
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 621.87, Best ask: 624.48, Bid-ask spread: 2.61000, Last trade: 624.48, 24 hour volume: 3502.82343466, 24 hour low: 616.09, 24 hour high: 626.25, 24 hour vwap: 622.077369513
mike_c: ;;calc 3500*[ticker --last]
nubbins`: i was gonna say colored oil spheres colliding underwater
Rassah: benkay: this is what one calls a "strawman" argument. // actually this is what is being suggested that people do to create secure paper wallets. I am suggesting that ours is comparable. At the least because people who use that method don't check the RNGs of the systems they use, and at the most because we don't actually use an RNG chip, and use our own source of randomness.
benkay: nobody in this room had suggested that.
benkay: latinate dudebro do you even strawman?
Rassah: benkay: I didn't say that is what is being suggested here. That is, in fact, what is being suggested in places all over outside of here. No one has suggested anything here, other than that the method I am involved wit is worse than...
assbot: Litecoin's silver analogy
nubbins`: i think that a car is too expensive, i would rather purchase a sandwich
nubbins`: can't drive to work in a sandwich? who cares!
Rassah: It's not even that. The two are just arbitrary measures. It's more like, I think driving at 105kmh is too fast. I'll just drive at 65mph instead
nubbins`: i think repairing my broken relationship with my son is too hard. i'll just have a daughter instead
decimation: re: rolling dice to generate RSA keypair << this is not straightforward at all, and in general you are going to end up seeding some kind of RNG to produce your primes to test
benkay: Rassah: saying that doesn't make it any less of a retarded strawman argument in this context.
benkay: <BingoBoingo> Eh, sometimes I have nightmares where truffles is still on BA and somehow IPO'd his hatred of reading. // interestingly, truffles is a female.
Rassah: benkay: a lot of tings said on the topic of that Entropy device have been very retarded
benkay: mostly on the topic of getting entropy out of sram imho
danielpbarron: Rassah, you interested in selling your BTC for cash in the mail on a regular basis? I am very interested
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 138 @ 0.00420949 = 0.5809 BTC [-] {5}
mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> i think that a car is too expensive, i would rather purchase a sandwich <
mthreat: Rassah et al: Would an accelerometer be a good source of entropy? "shake to randomize"
mircea_popescu: nubbins` omfg dude i laughed so hard at your stupid driven sandwich i actually puked a little.
Rassah: mthreat: Not as much. Since the motions will be repettitive, you will get only a small amount of variance from that. We had considered something similar, with maybe having to press a button a bunch of times and use the timing diference, but it adds an insignificant amount compared to what we get from the chip already
mircea_popescu: mthreat no. this because the high bytes are too predictable (shake) and the low bytes too predictable (cheap accelerometer fingerprint)
benkay: mircea_popescu: re: truffles?
benkay: hee hee hee i got the rng flamewards going again
assbot: 6 45 662 28 2013 - YouTube
decimation: say you need at least 2 megabits to come up with a 2048 bit prime
decimation: the chumpatron would be more efficient
decimation: it would be interesting in the soviet version if a coin flip determined whether you got 1 trillion rubbles or a lifetime sentence to the gulag for bourgeois greed
decimation: seems perfectly reasonable, except are the internal parts open to examination by the kulaks who buy tickets?
decimation: well, everything is deterministic if you have enough information
decimation: quite so. I think the yearning to "see" the data being generated (like from the chumpatron) is the right idea
decimation: it's hard to find good documentation re: how the hell the linux /dev/random pool works exactly
decimation: yeah, and when you start looking at how the sausage is made it starts to make you feel queezy
assbot: linux/drivers/char/random.c at master torvalds/linux GitHub
decimation: it's probably okay for many purposes but the thing reeks of being a hack
benkay: ;;later tell mircea_popescu benkay eh what, you can tell. // this is to imply that actually discerning females on internet is hard?
gribble: Error: "later" is not a valid command.
gribble: Error: There is no command "later".
gribble: (later tell <nick> <text>) -- Tells <nick> <text> the next time <nick> is in seen. <nick> can contain wildcard characters, and the first matching nick will be given the note.
benkay: so what - spaces don't denote function call from args?
benkay: danielpbarron: adopter
benkay: assbot's an interesting focal point for the WoT
benkay: really highlights the -assets group vs everyone else
dub: hardly surprising now its full of spurious 'is on irc' entries
benkay: will probably approach classic 90:9:1 ratios
benkay: but excellent point. way to dilute the wot, mircea_popescu.
assbot: 401 Authorization Required
Vexual: whoa, ba has sluts now? this is becoming more like a university, next thing you know, i'll have some resources and a consideration
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 130 @ 0.02890175 = 3.7572 BTC [-]
danielpbarron: nothing wrong with a +1 saw on irc, unless it isn't true
Vexual: ;;rate +1 danielpbarron avoids the past
gribble: Error: 'danielpbarron' is not a valid integer.
Vexual: but if you're asking i'll say if it can't be done with erlang and perl it's not worth doing
assbot: Bashy ft. Dot Rotten, Black The Ripper & Lady Leshurr - Heart Of Stone [Music Video]: SBTV - YouTube
Vexual: datafox can eat a bag of dicks
assbot: Peace - Money - YouTube
KRS-1: nm man..enjoying our summer time months here.
KRS-1: Chilling at the pool, steak on the BBQ.
KRS-1: lots of work lately thanks to open source cloud software
KRS-1: Listening to anything good?
Vexual: i was gonna ask you the same thing
KRS-1: uh well maybe I shouldnt ask..trading youtube links pisses kakobrekla off a bit.
Vexual: shit man, im paid up on jukebox creds til 2016
KRS-1: ah well nice bumping into ya..its late i gotta get some rest.. i see you've been gone a while u gona be around?
Vexual: prlly not this essay is breaking my brain
KRS-1: alright slut..i'll be back on in about 10-12 hrs maybe I'll see you then..
assbot: Wax - Rosana (Official Video) - YouTube
pankkake: nubbins`> i think that a car is too expensive, i would rather purchase a sandwich <= it's much worse, it's like "I can't purchase a lamborghini, so I will buy a tricycle"
pankkake: in the end, the lambo and the dacia will be allowed on the highway, the tricycle won't
Vexual: i do excellent sandwiches
assbot: Official Video: Snoop Lion "La La La" (prod. Major Lazer) - YouTube
assbot: ordo rosarius equilibrio ~ Do Murder & Lust Make Me Man? - YouTube
punkman: assbot's getting lazy, fucking off for hours every other day
punkman: kako needs to crack the whip
assbot: Massive attack_Protection - 07 - Eurochild - YouTube
assbot: VERBS - FEELINGS GETTING IN THE WAY - YouTube
punkman: this one's dedicated to havelock bagholders
Vexual: ive still got a few rents incase bc goes back to 100
Vexual: realy funding a maythai match with nooone in it is fail
assbot: 2pac Ft. Bill Withers & B.I.G - Lovely Day Remix - YouTube
Vexual: ill pay another 2 later
Vexual: ;google brooklyn zoo odb
Vexual: ;;google brooklyn zooo odb
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1202 @ 0.00260521 = 3.1315 BTC [-] {10}
adrrr: This is good shit !
assbot: Ol' Dirty Bastard - Fantasy (feat. M.Carey) - YouTube
Vexual: likea blooberg interviewm you don't knmow wwhats coming thru
assbot: Astronomy Class - Four Barang In a Tuk-Tuk - YouTube
xmj: i have a problem that wants solving.
xmj: Does any US bank provide accounts that can be opened through the Internet?
punkman: maybe if you incorporate there
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 42 @ 0.18373118 = 7.7167 BTC [+] {7}
dub: hey steve, get better intertubes
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 55 @ 0.01547271 = 0.851 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: Game 17 - Death 5949 Life 4051 Year 479 - War of Life
dub: +1 for linking GoW to account, it sucks having to actually use bitcoin
gribble: Current Blocks: 311004 | Current Difficulty: 1.733631697850783E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 312479 | Next Difficulty In: 1475 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 18 hours, 42 minutes, and 51 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 18402301785.4 | Estimated Percent Change: 6.14885
assbot: Bitcoin : ladministration lve le rideau sur sa doctrine fiscale | Contrepoints
benkay: ;;later tell vexual what's this essay?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 363 @ 0.00278712 = 1.0117 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 546 @ 0.00280716 = 1.5327 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 207 @ 0.00282899 = 0.5856 BTC [+] {2}
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 785138.67 Est. Next Diff: 517817.43 in 601 blocks (#40320) Est. % Change: -34.05
nubbins`: pankkake will your sandwich be allowed on the highway? ;(
assbot: ING: Future Bitcoin Protocol Should Include Central Bank Functions
nubbins`: "a new thing in the future that won't be bitcoin should give us a slice of the pie"
nubbins`: "bank ceo wishes he could create an altcoin that people would use"
davout: pankkake: france is retarded, let's short it
davout: pankkake: being filmed by Arte as we speak :D
pankkake: by the way, Bernankoin's supply is regulated by demand already
pankkake: that way, it ensures a constant price of $0
davout: we're not mentioning bernankoin on tv
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 615.0, Best ask: 615.53, Bid-ask spread: 0.53000, Last trade: 615.0, 24 hour volume: 4321.69857992, 24 hour low: 611.13, 24 hour high: 626.25, 24 hour vwap: 620.015222762
kyuupichan: pankkake: It already does of course. ING's mindless sellout doesn't realize it yet.
nubbins`: man, occasionally we get a customer who has the brilliant idea of saving a few bucks off their order by providing their own shirts
nubbins`: except that's fucking retarded because why would a retail store sell shirts for cheaper than a silkscreening business can get them in bulk
nubbins`: so now i've got a job where some guy paid literally double the cost for his blanks, and they're fucking wal-mart brand
assbot: U.S. Producer Prices Tick Higher in June - WSJ
mike_c: random fact that surprised me: warren owns 2% of walmart.
assbot: When One Pay Raise a Year Isn't Enough - WSJ
benkay: why is that surprising, mike_c ?
mike_c: i don't know. I guess I didn't feel like it fit the rest of his portfolio.
mike_c: B/H does outright own a lot of retailers, but walmart feels different.
benkay: strikes me as a coca-cola play: the machine will be around forever, selling crap to the lcd. closest thing to a perpetual annuity one can hope for by my read.
mike_c: KO has growth though (internationally). is wal-mart growing outside US?
mike_c: 26 countries, i guess it is.
mike_c: they opened in buenos aires in 2007. they really are everywhere.
benkay: the man seems to know something about retail
nubbins`: i guess this is why people hide join/parts
fluffypony: can't we have assbot ban people that do that for an hour?
nubbins`: but seriously though, the guy bought WAL-MART BRAND t-shirts
nubbins`: as an additional "fuck you", he specifically purchased shirts that are not 100% cotton
mircea_popescu: like a blog where lulzy stuff is detailed. "The Shirts Story". "How BFL Delivered and BitBet ripped off its users"
nubbins`: an online outlet for my sharp witticisms
mircea_popescu: ahgahahah oh help me rwanda. hardcore street gang from... plymouth, mn ?!
nubbins`: that's sort of what facebook is for, but i can't make fun of specific people
nubbins`: OH SHIT SON HE'S WEARING CFH GREEN
nubbins`: i wonder if somewhere there's a girl named R'Wanda
nubbins`: or a drag queen called RuWanda
assbot: HELP ME, RWANDA | New York Post
assbot: Shake Hands with the Devil (book) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
nubbins`: not just belgians on the ground!
mircea_popescu: actually, my next door neighbour is a drag queen. incredibly, doesn't like to go out much, orders in pretty much every day.
nubbins`: what better way for a shut-in to get out once a week/month than to put on a new face
nubbins`: i can't think of anyone into drag that's not at least a semi-recluse
mircea_popescu: so fucxking weird, because in my heteronormative cisscum patriarchical view of the world,
mircea_popescu: it'd seem if you go to all the trouble to dress up like a circus freak, except permanently, you'd better be very very much INTO circus.,
mircea_popescu: then again i guess sexual deviancy is born out of psychological issues, not a disregard for social norms in the quest for personal enjoyment. nttawwt
nubbins`: i'm into printing shirts, doesn't mean i do it outside ;D
nubbins`: find out when your neighbour DOES leave the house, and then see what debauchery they get into
assbot: Naked Lunch - William S. Burroughs - Google Books
mircea_popescu: nubbins` i used to, when i was younger and less experienced, i'd see a pretty thing in the street, send the guard to tail her find out where she lives. this resulted in lulziness on more than one occasion.
mircea_popescu: but by now i just can't summon teh interest on the basis of looks for crying out loud.
mike_c: i think your neighbor is just a cross-dresser. introverted drag queen is oxymoron.
nubbins`: implication is that introverts don't perform in public :0
mike_c: lol. ok, first time for everything i guess.
mircea_popescu: i thought the campyness was the distinguishing factor.
assbot: Pain Spreads From Chinas Excess Production - China Real Time Report - WSJ
benkay: demand goes down because prices will be lower tomorrow, which exacerbates the supply problem as nobody can unload goods at a profit?
mircea_popescu: people, in general, alone as well as in groups, have one thing on their mind : how to fuck other people in the ass.
mircea_popescu: the feminist is not interested in any positive goal as much as she's interested in "fucking up" the dudebro.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform given the comutative body made out of popkids and 30yo unemployed postdocs,
mircea_popescu: a dudebro is the comutative equivalent of the feminist, in any nonsexual operation.
mircea_popescu: shit i'm good at this, i should make my own shanonizer.
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 210 Ask: 242 Last Price: 210 24h-Vol: 26k High: 210 Low: 210 VWAP: 210
benkay: mod6: atcbot left #pdxtech-btc
assbot: IBM is building a cloud system in Egypt and will train 100 companies in the region | GeekTime
benkay: the Fed said that while it didn’t generally view asset prices as excessive, valuations for social media and biotechnology firms “appear to be stretched,”
mod6: ok benkay, i'll restart it.
mike_c: who put the fed in charge of valuing biotech firms?
assbot: I love 90's Rock - Imgur
benkay: they're in charge of valuing the whole economy, mike_c
mircea_popescu: mike_c it's the central bank, kinda its job to broadly value all sectors.
mike_c: i didn't realize they were handing out stock picks.
mircea_popescu: this is pretty much the #1 job of the central banker : to evaluate which sectors are overheating and which are underheating, and to try and bring equal heat somehow.
mike_c: this is retarded on its face.
mircea_popescu: it does work exceedingly well in small countries with exceptionally gifted cbs, as romania will attest (and before that, azn minor players)
mircea_popescu: when people were bitching that greenspan was "asleep on the job", da fuck do you think they meant ? housing overheated without him realising it.
mike_c: and the central bank will do what about "overheated biotech"
mike_c: not like fannie mae is funding them.
mike_c: that won't cool biotech, it cools everything. they have no sector-by-sector levers.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, this was the fundamental argument of the euroskeptics as to wtf is wrong with the euro : replacing twenty cbs with just one merely further exacerbates the centralisation problem
mircea_popescu: what, you're telling me because the us as a whole is in freefall because pretty much any field you look at consists of people given tasks they can't do with tools that can't do them ?!
mircea_popescu: how the fuck was the army supposed to win vietnam ? start there.
mircea_popescu: of fucking course. they have no tools and the job alloted is in principle not doable anyway.
mike_c: well then stop sticking up for the fed!
mike_c: (that last was a troll ;) )
mike_c: benkay: nice pic. is that the last fed meeting?
mircea_popescu: anyway, for that matter, the big part in there is "didn’t generally view asset prices as excessive".
mircea_popescu: translated in normal speak that's "omfg we're losing it across the board here."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 700 @ 0.0026309 = 1.8416 BTC [-] {13}
mircea_popescu: you just picked the other part because you mismanaged your book and are now overexposed to the pits. just like any other young, bright, ambitious GS fundboy.
mike_c: hah. nah, i don't do biotech. i prefer revenue-generating activities as opposed to funding R&D.
mike_c: assbot seems to have this figure out these days
assbot: Former CEO of Satoshi Poker States new Owners Doesn't Wish to Pay Players
mike_c: what did that sell for? single-digit btc right?
mircea_popescu: this is starting to sound like a psychopath act, "i am now Maria and Maria doesn't want to pay you"
mike_c: " he sold Satoshi Poker for a plane ticket home from Thailand" yeah, that's what i thought.
mircea_popescu: not so much for the people who've not had a shower in a week plus and are being pushed outof the tenderloin
mircea_popescu: as for the kids that keep going to airports pretending like they belong there.
mircea_popescu: i'm gonna start asking "aren't you supposed to be cutting some sugar cane or something ? what are you doing here boy ?"
mircea_popescu: runaway slave must at some point be confronted with the reality that no matter how he's pretending, there's a plantation somewhere missing his dumb ass,
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.79167912 BTC to 12`353 shares, 14504 satoshi per share
mircea_popescu: this is a country where prostitution is legal but abortion illegal.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 22.75826252 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 1979 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 180 @ 0.0028013 = 0.5042 BTC [+] {2}
pankkake: the .exchange TLD seems to be available now
artifexd: All these new TLD's annoy me. A lot.
pankkake: more tlds is a small chance for less dns censorship
ThickAsThieves: someone should do an article on easy steps to set up a .bit domain to point your current .* one, drop a bunch of trendy words like decentralizedautocoinification and post it to reddit
pankkake: artifexd: more entities to annoy, more chances that one puts up a fight and doesn't censor as easily; also, most TLDs currently depend of governments
pankkake: some devs updated the namecoin GUI to help with registering domains - haven't tried it but it's admirable volunteer work :)
pankkake: otherwise you'd have to write the JSON config yourself
danielpbarron: I used to have some pretty choice names but I let them expire
assbot: TradeBlock Raises $2.8 Million From Andreessen Horowitz, Others - MoneyBeat - WSJ
ThickAsThieves: “The kind of thing TradeBlock is providing is a prerequisite for smart contracts,” he said.
mike_c: i liked their mining calculator tool. never read the articles.
ThickAsThieves: yeah they made a switch some 6+ mos ago to the data stuff
ThickAsThieves: Time Warner rejects $80 billion takeover by a 'determined' Rupert Murdoch
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: it'd be cool to see namecoin get better play << yea
ThickAsThieves: i just realized the client also allows for easy NS entry and stuff
mircea_popescu: decimation: and rolling dice would take days << dice is iirc just about 6/8 of a byte per dice per throw.
assbot: 401 Authorization Required
ThickAsThieves: "The North American Bitcoin Conference Welcomes Bitcoin Novices"
FabianB: ic, trying to break the record ;)
ThickAsThieves: U.S. Treasury Secretary Jack Lew called for a crackdown on tax inversions, saying the Obama administration needs to step efforts to limit companies reincorporating overseas for tax purposes.
ThickAsThieves: “We should have some economic patriotism here,” Mr. Lew said
mircea_popescu: benkay: ;;later tell mircea_popescu benkay eh what, you can tell. // this is to imply that actually discerning females on internet is hard? << yea.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves ahahaha seriously ? economic patriotism ?
mircea_popescu: dub: hardly surprising now its full of spurious 'is on irc' entries << spurious on what grounds ?
ThickAsThieves: maybe if US closes eyes tight enough the rest of the world economy will go away
mircea_popescu: what's fucking spurious are all the idiots rating on the basis of a 20 bux moneypack
mircea_popescu: fortunately, they're well isolated from the wot that actually matters.
mircea_popescu: but even so, 10 bits a throw, a 4k rsa key needs what, 7-800 ?
mircea_popescu: benkay: assbot's an interesting focal point for the WoT << didja graph it ?
mircea_popescu: entropy and bias are not exactly orthogonal concerns, but they're still at an angle here
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know the story of the largest crystall ball in the world ?
mircea_popescu: thing was made for cixi, whom i've referenced before. the process was, tumble the thing in water + garnet dust
mircea_popescu: now, is this proof that the process is broadly non-positive-feedback ?
mircea_popescu: assbot: ING: Future Bitcoin Protocol Should Include Central Bank Functions << yeah, it totally should. I'm fucking sick of having to bitchslap people like ing from the shadows.
mircea_popescu: mike_c: i don't know. I guess I didn't feel like it fit the rest of his portfolio. << iirc he ended up with it as part of some other acquisition
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: can't we have assbot ban people that do that for an hour? << this actually is a good idea. kakobrekla could assbot put a ban on anyone it sees part/joining 12 times within an hour, with a ban message that "please get in touch once connection is fixed, ty"
fluffypony: yeah, I don't want to hide joins/parts because sometimes interesting people join who don't have assbot !up access
punkman: and nobody in all these years has made a client with smart join/part hiding
mircea_popescu: yeah problerm is irc clients sorta went into freeze mode cca 2001
mircea_popescu: which is a GREAT thing. nobody's making new "fully featured" irc clients, which then don't work,
mircea_popescu: "As companies try to retain top employees and hit growth targets, some are ditching the annual salary review and doling out raises and bonuses several times a year."
ThickAsThieves: cuz paying them hald their raise sooner will make the job fun again
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves ist's just another sympthom of inflation heating up i guess.
ThickAsThieves: As an interim measure in advance of issuing tactile-enhanced Federal Reserve notes, the BEP is providing currency readers, free of charge, to eligible blind and visually impaired individuals.
mircea_popescu: blind people gotta use a credit card whether they want to or not.
punkman: ThickAsThieves: yeah right
danielpbarron: 13:40:25 <+asciilifeform> dice is iirc just about 6/8 of a byte per dice per throw << not quite. log2(6) is ~2.6 - bits, that is. << assuming it isn't biased
assbot: Bitcoin 'Needs to be More Accessible for the Visually Impaired'
ThickAsThieves: "Most people want to make [bitcoin] accessible, they just haven’t considered it. That’s one of the problems around accessibility."
mike_c: one rule is you don't need the mouse to do anything
mircea_popescu: mike_c another rule is that you can't send people mail as single-image pdfs.
mircea_popescu: anyway, bitcoin as made by saotshi is eminently blind-friendly. you can get everything as json from bitcoind and put it through your favorite reader.
mircea_popescu: the thing is that there's this large group of professional rent seekers who are trying to find a niche for themselves in bitcoin, not the normal way (buy some), nor the professional way (join bitcoin-assets) but the fiat way (politicing and derping around).
mircea_popescu: course, the only way people learn this is through trying.
ThickAsThieves: google says "The Bureau of Engraving and Printing produces 38 million notes a day with a face value of approximately $541 million. That doesn't mean there is $541 million more money circulating today than there was yesterday, though, because 95% of the notes printed each year are used to replace notes already in circulation."
assbot: U.S. Bureau of Engraving and Printing - Annual Production Figures
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves well google, like wikipedia, is only intended as a good enough first approximation.
assbot: Fuzzy Fingerprints - Attacking Vulnerabilities in the Human Brain
assbot: Coinbase | Why was my order "High Risk" a...
ThickAsThieves: "Unfortunately, sometimes it flags legitimate transactions too. "
mike_c: but this has some truth, no? they do have to prevent fraud, and no matter what they will accidentally flag legitimate txs.
mike_c: easy to scammer tag them, but how do you tell the difference between honest mistake and scam?
danielpbarron: it's no accident; the transaction *was* high risk (for coinbase)
mike_c: they do have a clearing process.
mike_c: you can appeal a cancelled tx
danielpbarron: "whoops we're gonna lose money on this deal.. so we're canceling it"
ThickAsThieves: why cant they allow a deposit to clear, then when they are happy, allow trading with that amount
mike_c: you mean, be an exchange. they aren't an exchange.
mike_c: because that solves all scam problems :) (see gox, bitstamp, every other exchange)
mike_c: so it's an anti-scam. if the price had gone up he could have complained and gotten the better price.
mike_c: i'm not a big fanboy of coinbase, but i don't see how they could do it better.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 414 @ 0.00265304 = 1.0984 BTC [-] {11}
ThickAsThieves: maybe it's a new checking account for him or something
danielpbarron: mike_c, I agree; my objection is going through traditional financial institutions to aquire Bitcoin; these channels can be frozen by governments
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform prolly some sort of smart battery balancing
mike_c: i don't know any way that scales well these days. jborkl's post was unsettling.
danielpbarron: idk, I know how to ship a pallet; could be a pallet of linen
mike_c: i guess there never has been a scalable way.
mircea_popescu: mike_c the main challenge to economy, since forever, is scalbility.
assbot: Coinbase Considered Harmful
assbot: ClubOrlov: Industry's Parting Gifts
assbot: The politics of Bitcoin pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: "This, then, should be the new main thrust of industrial activity: to manufacture and distribute products with the understanding that this process will run out of resources and stop. These products must be designed to outlive the process by which they are made, by as long as possible." << i can't fucking imagine why this would have to appear as new.
mircea_popescu: far as i can discern this is it, the permanent mode of industry since forever, and how things sould work, and how things that work do work.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so if anodized metal is tactical, what's strategical ?
pankkake: I thought tactical was it can be used to hit things
pankkake: you know, there are tactical PENS
mircea_popescu: so i guess my tit tickling cock shall henceforth be tactical too
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 500 @ 0.00261071 = 1.3054 BTC [-] {13}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 988 @ 0.00260005 = 2.5688 BTC [-] {7}
mircea_popescu: tactical and strategic are properties of abstracts for crying out loud. you can't have a plapable tactical anything anymore than you can have a concrete idea.
mircea_popescu: "a flashlight concerning itself with implementation details, as opposed to broad theoretical considerations"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform are those paralel ports gold or gilded ?
mircea_popescu: but if it's not solid (merely painted on) you get some interesting phenomena
mircea_popescu: of much less interest to someone gilding a pcb than to someone trying to make a parallel connection.
mircea_popescu: but my uneducated guess looking at the arrangement is that it would ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 2000 @ 0.00029025 = 0.5805 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: (hello people reading the logs, and welcome to mp's personal engineer training hour, where he bothers people who should be doing usefulk things with the task of educating him for free. and now a massage from our sposor.)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform when you said cycle i thought you meant, electrically. as in, hifreq.
mircea_popescu: because what i had in mind was that two diff metals make a circuit element.
mircea_popescu: "Suppose you have a company that sets out to make a widget. Let's call it Company A. Its founders are all engineers, of an uncompromising sort, and the widget they design and manufacture is of tremendous longevity, durability and overall quality." << hey check out orlov.
☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: excellent. guy really should stick with what he understands well (apparently, engineering and production problems) and forget stuff he doesn't get (like, politics)
mircea_popescu: They work to boost revenue by offering an extended warranty or a service plan (made necessary by frequent breakdowns), charging for premium customer service (made necessary by their normal customer service, which consists of a robotic phone maze backed by a few trainees in India who just read aloud from Company B's public web site in a listless, stuttering monotone) and offering numerous enhancements and upgrades (made
☟︎ mircea_popescu: necessary by annoyances or missing functions within the base product). They also build a profit center out of selling spare parts. They see to it that their product does not contain any commodity parts, and that no parts are interchangeable between model years, so that every replacement part has to be purchased through a dealer. Company B does quite well, becoming profitable, doubling in size several times, and gains
mircea_popescu: But then the troubles begin. First, given the short replacement cycle of its widget, it becomes harder and harder for Company B to contain costs while continuing to increase production. Costs of key inputs, such as certain metals, plastics, energy to run the plants, and shipping and distribution costs, all start going up, making their widgets more expensive to produce. At the same time, it becomes increasingly difficul
mircea_popescu: t to pass these higher costs on to the consumers. Concerted efforts at cost containment, championed by senior management, burn up more money than they find in savings. Second, turnover among the engineering staff starts to creep up, and after a while employee retention becomes a major problem. An effort is made to boost recruitment, but paradoxically this only increases the turnover rate, until the average tenure of an
mircea_popescu: engineer is shorter than the time it takes to learn the product.
mircea_popescu: the rest of that article hereby incorporated, it should be a matter of record this thing.
mircea_popescu: 'But that means that the project will have taken two and a half to three years,' said the Minister indignantly. 'And it was scheduled to take a YEAR!'
mircea_popescu: 'What d'you mean - scheduled? What d'you think science is - a magic wand that you just have to wave to get what you want? Supposing the problem's been put in the wrong terms or new factors crop up? You and your schedule!
mircea_popescu: pretty much the bitcoin-bitcoin-assets-wot trifecta is the way, i would wager.
mircea_popescu: all we need is a few ideologically aware writers, and let's hope that they have the sense to give in to the groan-y siren song of a few cam whores
mircea_popescu: because the fate of the free world pretty much rests on it.
mircea_popescu: orlov specifically isn't here because when i pointed out to him he fucked up, his reaction wasn't the sane and natural "ow fuck me, i fucked up", but the much more common, and much more human "oh it's not really and i didn't really" and so on.
mircea_popescu: lew rockwell similarly, too big for his breeches, by degrees of magnitude.
mircea_popescu: he had some bad data re romanian inflation, i pointed it out, herbi (who apparently knows him) conveyed it.
mircea_popescu: somehow as people start to smarten up and realise how shitty us management is failing them, the idea doesn't form that they need better management,
mircea_popescu: the idea forms that either a) they don't need management at all, which yields all the bizarre "decentralise" things trend, among others
mircea_popescu: or else that b) they're going to be their own management, which... myeah.
assbot: Orlov is wrong, and other stories. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: plenty of similarly socially awkward men believe women to be gold digging sluts etc etc.
mircea_popescu: the solution is to get a better wife, not to make womanhood die in a fire.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 104 @ 0.008 = 0.832 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: that's fair, in the sense it's fair to represent "engineer" on the basis of kids found loitering around the campus.
mircea_popescu: "Company C is not really a company but a consortium organized by a group of activists who correctly perceive the great need for this widget and decide to tackle the issue head-on through tireless community organizing. A group of retired community college professors..."
mircea_popescu: "In fact, I know of at least one company just like that. It was run by an engineer who had produced a huge success for his investors, only to see the company fall into the hands of Company B type management. So he created a new company. For years now he has sucked in more and more capital from investors who imagine he might reproduce his initial success. But it's clear (to me) that he has no intention of doing so, exce
mircea_popescu: pt perhaps by mistake. He wants to do interesting engineering and produce new, cool products at the expense of his investors.
mircea_popescu: this is going to be a major bitcoin problem, going forward.
mircea_popescu: i mean, all the noobs a la neobee's "ceo", alongside andreas antonopoulos were doing exactly this : implement their idea of fun at the expense of investors.
mircea_popescu: of course their idea of fun was more like mba than like engineer's, but that's squarely besides the point.
mircea_popescu: after the failure, the actual ceo disappeared, but antonopoulos reinvented himself as... more "professional".
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 194 @ 0.00269999 = 0.5238 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: this because the market (well, the overcapitalised clueless section of it, anyway) erroneously identifies "professional" with "successful" and ultimately "good".
assbot: Elliptic takes $2M investment to help firms store and handle bitcoin — Tech News and Analysis
assbot: TradeBlock Raises $2.8 Million From Andreessen Horowitz, Others - MoneyBeat - WSJ
bitcoinpete: "The firm, which did not disclose its valuation, is something like a Bloomberg for bitcoin, aggregating data and selling products for analyzing pricing trends and other research tools to its institutional client base. Some market data is free on TradeBlock’s website."
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: lol you're going to end up with more listings than the nasdaq ;)
bitcoinpete: "Elliptic offers a secure, insured bitcoin service called Elliptic Vault for retailers, hedge funds, bitcoin exchanges and other companies that are trying to dabble in this new world of so-called cryptocurrencies."
danielpbarron: apparently yoko ono has more twitter followers than mccartney
mike_c: buffett is the king of omaha, he can't be lost.
gabriel_laddel: You are hereby invited to join #bitcoin-assets. The interests of current members include: bitcoin, auditable cryptographic equipment, increasing economic inequality worldwide, non-Von Neumann architectures, etcetera. In short, we're repurposing Earth's resources for the pursuit of our collective aesthetic and would appreciate your input.
gabriel_laddel: The girl in question should start unbottoning her shirt at the second incidence of "bitcoin" taking it off ~2 sec after finished speaking. She should then proceed to give her show. Presumably she has some skill at this, and requires no futher direction. The video itself should be free of advertising, logos, watermarks etc. and be shot with a high quality camera.
mircea_popescu: but honestly, it lacks a hook. so there's a group somewhere interested in things. why do i gas ?
gabriel_laddel: imo, if you really want them here, you may have to personalize the invitations.
mircea_popescu: problem here is this : i don't want these people on any random terms. they have to come on our terms to be useful. that's a big part of it, smart people are great, educable smart people are actually useful.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: Okay, so what are these terms exactly?
mike_c: if they are not interested in bitcoin it is a non-starter (orlov).
mircea_popescu: but whore-out-of-the-blue seems reasonable as an approach, at least because people who manage to react well to women generally react well to new things.
mike_c: so the message should be "this is the smart bitcoin place"
mircea_popescu: mike_c you know, i was originally not interested in bitcoin.
mike_c: so you weren't ready for b-a
mircea_popescu: the way i became part of bitcoin in the first place was an hour or so on the ba of the time
mike_c: but why were you there
mircea_popescu: mike_c i went there because commenters on my blog kept pestering me.
mike_c: because you were knew of, and were interested in learning more about bitcoin. orlov knows and is not interested.
mike_c: well then why does orlov end up in that corner?
mircea_popescu: the idea immediately popped that people who are doing this as a matter of course can't be as stupid as i had thought.
mircea_popescu: possibly because he's older, and has less experience with whores
pankkake: I had the same experience, I thought bitcoin was only acnee-ridden basement-living 13 year old gamers
pankkake: is this the "i'm a famous romanian blogger, sell me bitcoins?"
mike_c: ok, so there needs to be a hook. mp's was gribble. what would hook szabo?
assbot: Noob MP, or how it all began pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: but see, im not so worried of that part. once he's here he'll be ok. getting him here tho.
mike_c: naked women are only good for getting someone to listen to the message, they aren't going to attract them on their own.
mircea_popescu: in other words : we don't have a conversion problem before our eyes.
mike_c: right, we need ad copy. ad copy for mp: "we auth with pgp"
mircea_popescu: mike_c nope. ad copy for mp was, "just fucking check it out already omfg you're so wrong"
mike_c: that is the other method: repetition.
mike_c: that's easy. tweet @ szabo every day til he clicks.
mircea_popescu: that sounds more like "get szabo to stop using twitter".
mike_c: you didn't stop using your blog.
mircea_popescu: not that it'd be so hard to repurpose a botnet for utterly destroying twitter.
assbot: ClubOrlov: Financial Totalitarianism
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: Who do you have in mind for this list other than NS and Taleb?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform an opinion perforce held by any and all govt agents, along an unspecified number of delulded simplefolks.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and kinda why i have to be so uncharacteristically dismissive of teh various pretender governments.
pankkake: one thing to know is that the 140 char limit is 140 unicode chars, not 140 bytes
mike_c: you are talking in circles :) "trusted recommendation" is not a video from camgirl.
mike_c: if we are going in cold, we need ad copy.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel afaik that guy's involved with some leeches "advisaing" him re bitcoin. sooner or later he'll find his way here on his own.
pankkake: I thought of repurposing twitter as a file hoster, but I'm not sure how much overhead this would be :p
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: everyone that matters will be here eventually, the question is when.
mike_c: so back to ad copy. "#bitcoin-assets - the richest IRC channel on freenode"
mike_c: szabo invented bitcoin, right? we have all the bitcoin. that's got to be interesting.
mircea_popescu: goin further on asciilifeform's very soviet public/private approach, i wonder how many peeps are creaming their pants reading this convo over tor.
mircea_popescu: re "that kind of conversation" : what point is a boat, if one floats it on a prison lake ?
mircea_popescu: <gabriel_laddel> mircea_popescu: Who do you have in mind for this list << to answer the q, actually it's pretty open. anyone anyone cares for.
mircea_popescu: just as long as he doesn't allow people to talk of guns in his presence ?
mircea_popescu: seems your avg ceo is better of, he just needs to prevent nigger and faggot discussions. guns still ok.
gabriel_laddel: So what we've got so far: There needs to be a list of people that we want here, and reasons why. We don't want them here on any terms and since they're VIP, we should have reasons for each of them. Why NS? Why Taleb specifically?
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel well those two cause i love the shit they wrote and often quote it.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel principally, they could tell me (and others) just how stupid we are. or at least attempt to.
mircea_popescu: generally people want to barge in bringing all the mud of their previous context.
mircea_popescu: where's fluffypony's excellent write-up on this subject
assbot: What I enjoy about #bitcoin-assets
fluffypony: I should retroactively fix those old URLs
assbot: ClubOrlov: Communities that Abide (Preamble)
mircea_popescu: kinda curious what specifically went into the heckling
mike_c: ok - compile a list of 20 blog posts from blogs.b-a that are appropriate to target. tweet one a day @ target.
☟︎ assbot: ClubOrlov: Death by Political Correctness
mike_c: if we can't come up with at least a dozen posts they might find interesting, then we've got other problems.
mircea_popescu: mike_c such as that b-a blogs thing is only half a year old ?
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: You don't have to tell houseguests to flush the toilet. I see no reason you would have to tell SB, Taleb, etc. that they should use their brains. (Which is all I got from fluffypony's post)
mike_c: mircea_popescu: we can certainly backfill with trilema.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel you bring a very good objection actually.
mircea_popescu: okay, who wants to make a 20 link care package for these ppls ?
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fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I may have missed this in the logs, but what's the timeline on mpex not being kaput?
mircea_popescu: it was supposed to be monday. since then, an ever endless list of various issues, which i am taking care of one at a time, at the rate of about six to ten a day.
mircea_popescu: eventually it's gonna run out of issues, because i'm not running out of days.
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mircea_popescu: "let me tell you what i read on trilema six months ago, in my own words".
mircea_popescu: sadly the words in question are pretty fucking retarded.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2000 @ 0.00254563 = 5.0913 BTC [-] {18}
mircea_popescu: thanks fluffypony danielpbarron, i'll hit you up if this fails or next time.
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i love the inanity of "carbon footprint", "gini index" and all the rest of the idiocy.
mircea_popescu: just like the guy i linked the other day, going nuts over someone having mocked him for wearing a gown, these idiots are so trapped in self-referrentiality that they imagine their shit is somehow universal.
mircea_popescu: i deeply care that someone fixated on how things should be pink and round dislikes my computer for being so unpink and nonround.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform even funnier, because well... stable is ambiguous.
mircea_popescu: this idea that the progressive's in the driver seat is weird.
moiety: short version: life fucking ducks
moiety: i have been reading logs
moiety: i dunno, i have this condition where the rug cannot seem to be able to stay underneath me for any length of time.
moiety: metaphor...i never get as far as having a real rug :P
mircea_popescu: ok well, i need a bunch of secretarial stuff done. you game ?
moiety: sure what you needing done mircea_popescu?
kakobrekla: there is this thing that you can put under the rug to make it non slippery
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moiety: i need it! lol i dont even care about the damn rug. i'm just trying to secure a spo for the rug to stay at.. if that makes sense
moiety: not if i can help it. i love the sex weeks flat
moiety: bitstein: well... um.. thanks... i havent ever been frightened of ducks before...
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mircea_popescu: "Gail insinuates that Albert Bates is an environmentalist hypocrite because he flies a lot. Albert does travel a lot but goes to great personal effort to physically mitigate carbon from his travel footprint, and this is obvious from even a cursory glance at his website. Overall, he is very much carbon-negative, while Gail goes on aimless drives through the countryside in her gigantic, gas-
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what the fuck is going on in this guy's head, engaging in a debate on these terms ?
mircea_popescu: "Her blog's comments section is a sort of Land of the Lost: people who inhabit the comments sections of unmoderated blogs, and who are perpetually miffed that no half-decent blog will post their comments."
mircea_popescu: fuck him. the pretense that liars & scammers, which is without exception anyone who fucking "moderates" are somehow ethically superior to actual people is morally offensive.
mircea_popescu: of course he started censoring once he didn't like what he was hearing.
mircea_popescu: This is why every successful community I've looked at knows how to exclude (shun, expel) people. Every successful community jealously safeguards its separateness from the surrounding society. This is critical to their survival and for achieving much better outcomes for their members than the surrounding society.
mircea_popescu: kinda naive approach. there's nothing worse than winning with the wrong people for the wrong reasons.
BingoBoingo: Pollutionocalypse is possible, more likely than specific carbonacalypse
mircea_popescu: but sure, as the ice moves around we may get to various mineral riches in siberia, canda etc
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo not nearly as sexy. it was possible based on pre-ww2 england style industrialisation.
mircea_popescu: one needs to come up with very exotic avenues to realise it, now that simple coal soot isn't gonna cut it
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: For sure. I imagine at somepoint biotech polution may fit the bill, but we are talking about the difference between getting a straight flush and a royal flush in a game of Blackjack.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: More possible, but I dunno I'd count that a pollutionacolypse.
BingoBoingo: fallout prolly ought to get its own category for its inconvenience
mircea_popescu: what inconvenience exactly ? suppose the current level of radiation in japan becomes worldwide.
mircea_popescu: second off, it's fucking difficulkt to achieve uniformity. most likely you'll have to get peaks and lows, needing even more fissiles.
mircea_popescu: some of the weak and shitty die, life expectancy a little shorter ?
BingoBoingo: I worry about radiation producing more stupid
mircea_popescu: basically nuclear weapons, as well as tomahawks, aircraft carriers and so on are further elements in a class of weapons inaugurated by the byzantines, with their greek fire :
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a population heavy on the young is not more stupid, it's more strippers.
BingoBoingo: The eventual loser doesn't always allow the winners victory unscathed
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the winner wins specifically because doesn't care about scathing.
mircea_popescu: that's what makes greek fire et all the weaponry of the losers.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform debatable which is the chain of causality. imo it's just because they promote a wrong approach to fighting.
mircea_popescu: think of the young russki kids and their street culture. who is going to be respected who doesn't know to take a punch ?
mircea_popescu: germania and gaul are still fucking germanic, notwithstanding all the genocides cesar & co drove there.
mircea_popescu: and the latin influence comes from the veterans that settled there, much like a us army guy retiring to vietnam
moiety: BingoBoingo: i worry about stupid producing more stupid
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform to put this in a better perspective : i do not have dedicated tools to discipline my slaves. i use whatever i feel like using at the time, or nothing at all. i've used vacuum cleanning tubes, wire hangers, braided electric cord, belts, chunks of wook, rolled up newspaper, whatever. cooking spatulas.
mircea_popescu: some other dood somewhere has this truely ellaborate and complex punishment station, cost him 18`000 dollars
Duffer1: bingoboingo they never got anything, just control of my email, new comp parts get here thursday and friday
mircea_popescu: the only problem is... well... in his 38 years of 'being a dom" so far, he's had a slave for a total of 3 years, if you add it all up.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Reading about "vacuum cleanning tubes" was life changing
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mircea_popescu: but anyway : the eventual winner doesn't quite have the same needs from his equipment as the eventual loser does.
mircea_popescu: if teh muricans really just wanted "something that shoots and a bus ticker there", i'd have been really worried about the afghanistani.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: as the situation is reversed however... no amount of derpage can possibly help.
Duffer1: i'll be doing everything sensitive from my offline comp from now on
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BingoBoingo: Duffer1: You've been burned once, skip nigbuntu
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Yeah, swing the thing as hard as you like and on a forgiving surface it has a maximum impact force.
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BingoBoingo: Duffer if you really want a *nix for not very *nix'y people Scientific Linux is pretty good.
mircea_popescu: its how they call unix inspired oses like linux when they're being cool.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform looked into it. won't work : no good msdos db.
BingoBoingo: Duffer1: *nix basically refers to everything after AT&T Unix 7
Duffer1: thanks man, i'm reading about it now (scientific linux)
BingoBoingo: Duffer1: It is a RHEL clone so pushes a person to look towards general Unixy admining habits instead of very OS X type solutions like apt-get
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