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shinohai: http://qntra.net/2017/05/still-no-consensus-supporting-bitcoin-hardfork-barry-silbert-pretends-otherwise-to-his-peril/#comment-99155
shinohai thinks that fixes it, and is sufficient snub to audacity of individual not in wot
phf: asciilifeform: hey you ever worked with https://dmitripavlov.org/tex/ ?
asciilifeform: phf: nope
shinohai: http://archive.is/woZGL <<< oops
phf: it's the simplest solution i found to typeset cyrillic with plain tex, but i can't get font mapping to work..
phf: tex is like a handful of carefully crafted tools with gb's of liquishit™ on top. "we have this elegant vpatch of a carefully crafted solution" "can i use it?" "lol nobody uses it, we have a modern option with unicode! and lua! and packages! comes as a GIT REPO!111"
asciilifeform: hey, old man knuth is old
asciilifeform: and certainly uses no heathen cyrillic..
asciilifeform: and betcha he ain't touched a stinkin' comp since '92
phf: that i can see
phf: but he does use cyrillic! when he needs to obsessively write correct name for a mathematician in his AoCP references
asciilifeform: phf: i dunno which edition you have, but in mine they are in latinate
asciilifeform: at least vol2, which is what i have in my bed right now and can't be arsed to get up and see 1 and 3
asciilifeform: but betcha they - also
phf: all three of mine are in book boxes (i just moved) but they definitely have cyrillic (as well as all the other friends of the people, e.g. al khwarizmi spelled in arabic, japanese etc.)
phf: i wonder if that's a later update. i have a fairly recent print from early 2000s
asciilifeform: '90s here
phf: oh you know what it is, it's not inline, check the Index and Glossary
phf: for example, Euler, Leonhard should have cyrillic equivalent
asciilifeform: btw phf i also own a ru knuth, somebody at umd threw it out once ( or perhaps died ... )
asciilifeform: pretty good transl i daresay
phf: possibly needed space for "artificial intelligence programming with google apis"
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/68334C972306604A21A42616FD69FAFAD3F677941098143D6168F83C2D12C6EF << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1531...3557 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '87.252.252.164 (ssh-rsa key from 87.252.252.164 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (leased-line-87-252-252-164.telecom.by. BY HM) ☟︎
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/68334C972306604A21A42616FD69FAFAD3F677941098143D6168F83C2D12C6EF << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1384...1929 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '87.252.252.164 (ssh-rsa key from 87.252.252.164 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (leased-line-87-252-252-164.telecom.by. BY HM)
asciilifeform: in other unshielded rng, https://www.araneus.fi/products/alea2/en/
asciilifeform: they even offer a faux phuctor! https://www.araneus.fi/kno/
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F38A3E121539020A6FB8639DF9A5F361CA631D5089C433A35A7CF88C1242BE3D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1695...0203 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '41.169.16.233 (ssh-rsa key from 41.169.16.233 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown ZA)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F38A3E121539020A6FB8639DF9A5F361CA631D5089C433A35A7CF88C1242BE3D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1514...6719 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '41.169.16.233 (ssh-rsa key from 41.169.16.233 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown ZA) ☟︎
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/39E71543A1D609A02E29A3CFBFBF41A3F6BCF165017728BD82191D148BCE7999 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1514...6719 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '78.132.137.40 (ssh-rsa key from 78.132.137.40 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (static-137-40.pppoe.tmb.ru. RU TAM)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/39E71543A1D609A02E29A3CFBFBF41A3F6BCF165017728BD82191D148BCE7999 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1703...0239 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '78.132.137.40 (ssh-rsa key from 78.132.137.40 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (static-137-40.pppoe.tmb.ru. RU TAM)
asciilifeform: 'One application of the KNO is for testing of random number generators (RNGs). The idea is that it is extremely unlikely that a properly working RNG will generate the same random 128-bit number twice...'
asciilifeform: sounds oddly familiar.
shinohai: The faux phuctor of fi ! >.>
asciilifeform: i admit that i dun quite grasp the logic : what, if usg makes 9,001 of these, the actual phuctor will disappear..?
asciilifeform: the keyz -- unbreak ?
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A59CB9E134497F26F2EDF3DFEA56640434761F790AF68FAC889D82C8C40F9801 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1714...0583 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '103.6.237.191 (ssh-rsa key from 103.6.237.191 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown MY)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A59CB9E134497F26F2EDF3DFEA56640434761F790AF68FAC889D82C8C40F9801 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1643...1253 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '103.6.237.191 (ssh-rsa key from 103.6.237.191 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown MY)
phf: it's all about controlling the narrative
mircea_popescu: heh.
mircea_popescu: and in other "confusingly weird footage of nevertheless accurate romanian wood civilisation life, tools and etc", https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbRVPP7hoVg
mircea_popescu: (don't pluck live ducks -- you're supposed to wring neck first, steep in boiling water 2nd, then pluck ; don't chase pig around with meat cleaver, you need dagger to cut its jugular first.)
hanbot: i'm pretty sure you're supposed to put things in water *before* you wring them, .ro clearly backwards
mircea_popescu: lol
shinohai: hue
asciilifeform: !!up IamAGirlsoInever
deedbot: IamAGirlsoInever voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: IamAGirlsoInever: can't resist : ...never what ??
IamAGirlsoInever: Do spam posts get defenstrated or will they appear in the logs?
asciilifeform: everything appears in the logz.
asciilifeform: king and slave and inbetween
asciilifeform: ant and lion.
IamAGirlsoInever: Weird, it killed the nick end apparently, was f*a*r*t of course.
IamAGirlsoInever: ant appears regularly even when they mine a block with one tranny.
IamAGirlsoInever: ok, spam then, don't know what will happen though, prolly get ignored as it should.
IamAGirlsoInever: https://blockchain.info/payment_request?address=16au4MEVdqVzXtkpK96YTavkfSuT7iAruS&amount=25&message=So%20I%20can%20has%20some%20bitcoins
asciilifeform: IamAGirlsoInever: satisfy my curiosity : why should anybody send you coin ?
asciilifeform: give even 1 reason
IamAGirlsoInever: they should not. I'm not offering anything in return.
asciilifeform: at least honest.
asciilifeform: what would you do with coin if you came across some, IamAGirlsoInever ?
IamAGirlsoInever: I am always honestly dishonest. I really can't tell a lie very well, so I just tell the truth and use that to lie.
asciilifeform: so let's hear...
asciilifeform: why would you even want any
IamAGirlsoInever: If I had some coins I would probably use them to attempt to find either cracks or other bugs in reference implementations. I could always just use the testnet, or setup my own.
asciilifeform: y'know you don't need coin for that
IamAGirlsoInever: I'm testing various implementations and social networks as well. Trilema is definetly interesting.
asciilifeform: demonstrate an output of these tests ?
shinohai pops popcorn ....
asciilifeform: word 'test' implies a result..
IamAGirlsoInever: Output? GIGO good stuff in, good stuff out.
asciilifeform: link to example of 'good stuff' ?
IamAGirlsoInever: test like science, double blind, use a premise, try to prove a point?
asciilifeform: post. example. of something you tested. and the test result.
IamAGirlsoInever: Link? thebitcoin.foundation vs bitcoin.foundation?
asciilifeform: what trb item have you tested, IamAGirlsoInever ?
IamAGirlsoInever: Oh, a test from way back when, I implemented an XML reader and negelected to cap off recursion, so I tried a file full of <_> commands, just open a short tag.
asciilifeform: what's that got to do with thebitcoin.foundation ?
IamAGirlsoInever: it of course blew my system away, but when I tested against everybody elses readers, their were bad too.
phf: and that's how i became a hacker!
asciilifeform: IamAGirlsoInever: it seems that you have mistook the address. the kindergarten door is three doors down.
asciilifeform: !!down IamAGirlsoInever
phf: asciilifeform: it's all about community building
asciilifeform: i'ma consider that somebody was testing a perlbot.
asciilifeform: ( at this point you could quite easily write a IamAGiraffeAndILikeTesting bot..)
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in dreamerland, "Join us on "Style Code Live" daily to connect, shop and chat live with fashion designers, beauty experts and celebrities! Discover today's best beauty hacks and the top style secrets!"
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-26#1662482 << mikrotik, longtime-no-see ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-26 01:49 deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F38A3E121539020A6FB8639DF9A5F361CA631D5089C433A35A7CF88C1242BE3D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1514...6719 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '41.169.16.233 (ssh-rsa key from 41.169.16.233 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown ZA)
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-26#1662477 << ahahahahaha https://inventory.by.undp.org >> 'UNITED NATIONS DEVELOPMENT PROGRAMME' ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-26 01:31 deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/68334C972306604A21A42616FD69FAFAD3F677941098143D6168F83C2D12C6EF << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1531...3557 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '87.252.252.164 (ssh-rsa key from 87.252.252.164 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (leased-line-87-252-252-164.telecom.by. BY HM)
asciilifeform: didjaknow
asciilifeform: 'We can save lives in Somalia Our job today is not to just avert the imminent famine, but to keep hope alive.' lol
asciilifeform: dafuq is it doing on belarus isp ?
asciilifeform: and of what, gotta wonder, is the 'inventory'.
asciilifeform: of 'grad' rockets for 'moderate rebels', betcha.
BingoBoingo: You mean "weather rockets" for moderate rebel "meteorology experiments"
asciilifeform: anal rockets, for moderate proctology experiments, who knows
asciilifeform: the login form has the appearance of handwritten html, with no obvious crapolade, which is somewhat unusual.
asciilifeform: ( no js etc )
asciilifeform: a kB or so.
asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/TN8Cx/?raw=true for posterity
asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/9YaUs/?raw=true << css
BingoBoingo: In other surprises, while digging to create point for anchoring tin shed in situ a wild concrete pad was found under shed. For ~15 years of ownership, twas ASSumed that metal shed was simply plopped down onto the dirt.
asciilifeform: 'Common Name (CN) intranet.undp.by
asciilifeform: Organization (O) UNDP Belarus
asciilifeform: Issued On Friday, February 2, 2007 at 6:50:10 AM
asciilifeform: Expires On Saturday, February 2, 2008 at 6:50:10 AM'
asciilifeform: lul.
asciilifeform: cheapskates.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: walking on new street not long ago i saw an old tin shed that looked as if it had ~imploded~
asciilifeform: still can't picture what might cause this.
BingoBoingo: Frost heaving is what would case that
BingoBoingo: *cause
asciilifeform: looked exactly like the tin can children put on steam kettle and then into ice water, to watch implode
asciilifeform: perhaps d00d kept a veeery large thermos in there, and broke..
BingoBoingo: What happens is they anchor it to the ground without any consideration for the local frost depth or drainage, and then seasons change
asciilifeform: or a fat pile of CRTs
asciilifeform: nono BingoBoingo , ground-touching part was fine
asciilifeform: roof -- imploded
BingoBoingo: ah, Hit by tree limb? Hamplanet?
asciilifeform: i naively imagine that if tree, it'd have flattened more of it, and would have been thrown out
asciilifeform: but whoknows.
BingoBoingo: Idiot shelving suppoted in middle by hanging from roof?
asciilifeform: could be
asciilifeform: nfi.
BingoBoingo: In other research, OMG A TWO WHEELED TRACTOR!!! https://www.topspeed.com/motorcycles/motorcycle-reviews/yamaha/2016-2017-yamaha-tw200-ar171244.html ☟︎
BingoBoingo: “Neat little bike, and more fun than a barrel of monkeys to ride, evidenced by the grown men squealing like ten-year-old girls when they grab a fistful of throttle and try to twist it off. That’s something I do not recommend trying right away until you get a feel for it, ’cause the front end needs very little encouragement to come off the ground." << This thing is screaming for a sleeve hitch and moldboard plough
ben_vulpes: https://www.theverge.com/2017/5/25/15690040/imzy-social-network-nicer-reddit-shutdown << die everyone and everything die
ben_vulpes: "free-for-all and sometimes toxic social sites like Reddit"
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: why not plough by taking off one wheel
asciilifeform: possibly no other mods needed..
asciilifeform: press it down with yer own weight, by... riding
BingoBoingo: Nah, power comes from rear wheel, would have to completely reverse the drivetrain and make front wheel drive
asciilifeform: so remove front wheel
ben_vulpes: oblig: http://rynomotors.com/
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Then not a plough, but a trencher
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: 'Volume consumer sales are targeted for late 2015.' lel
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: That thing is too glossy, has to be vaporware
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: see asciilifeform's comment
ben_vulpes: when i could muster the shits to get down to "ev summit" or whateverthefuck they called it someone was noodling around on one
ben_vulpes: high grade wankatronium
asciilifeform: what exactly is the point of a vehicle that maxes out at 'speed of runner' ?
asciilifeform: and range of runner, also..
asciilifeform: and it isn't as if the original golden toilet of this genre, 'segway', had not bombed
asciilifeform: why folx so eager to make new, and new
asciilifeform: ( the apotheosis moment of segway was when the chump who bought the co from the original sc4mz0r, finally drove his personal unit off a tall cliff ! )
ben_vulpes: all downhill from there
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes fwiw there's a "new, better, altenrative" for everything every week. kinda what the you know, "people ready with a gameplan if they suddenly got rich" spend their time with.
ben_vulpes: i plan to buy retardedly nice wine
ben_vulpes: that's about as much thought as ive put into disposing of my spoils
mircea_popescu: prune juice. better! healthier! alternative!
ben_vulpes: gross
mircea_popescu: anyway. the problem with wine is that better wine and expensive wine do not well correlate. for the past 40 or so years europe sat on a lake of wine. you can have perfectly fine wines for the cost of the bottling, you can also spend as-much-as-you-want for idiot veblen americana.
ben_vulpes: tell me about it
ben_vulpes: not that anyone will ever believe me about the gorgeous product of the dundee hills
mircea_popescu: eh, no terrine no wine.
ben_vulpes: this is another word for terroir?
mircea_popescu: ~failed pun attempt.
ben_vulpes: ah
ben_vulpes: teh java has burnt my appreciation for wordplay to a stub
mircea_popescu: most puns dun work, most wisdom is folly, sometrhing something the holly./
ben_vulpes: fortunately this is only ever terpenorary
ben_vulpes: and the green grass grows all around all around and the green grass grows all around
BingoBoingo: The grass s always greener on BingoBoingo's side of the fence
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/05/gianforte-and-sanity-prevail-in-montana-referendum-on-self-defense/ << Qntra - Gianforte And Sanity Prevail In Montana Referendum On Self Defense
mircea_popescu: that was unexpected.
BingoBoingo: 4 srs
BingoBoingo: http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=7797
BingoBoingo: Montana prolly doesn't suck
mircea_popescu: i trust the pantsuit clown party is well butthurt over the serious threat to ourdemocracy presented by inept child behaviour meeting some sort of correction in practice.
BingoBoingo: Anyways, I hope this emergent trend grows into next spring's congressional primaries. Candidates eating a misdemeanor rap in exchange for pajama boy beating cred.
BingoBoingo: http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=7808&pr=1
mircea_popescu: i'd vote for a guy who beat up a redditard. how bad can he be ? he got the basics right.
BingoBoingo: I know, right? And not just a plain cannon fodder redditard, but a GUARDIAN REDDITARD!
mircea_popescu: yeah.
BingoBoingo: It's like making things happen to Sam
mircea_popescu: kik
BingoBoingo: Make things happen to Sam, win the hearts of the locals!
BingoBoingo: Sure the car may be French, but it's yours and the level 1337 GUARDIAN REDDITARD is going to know it
shinohai: !~later tell BingoBoingo So my consensus piece got removed from r/bitcoin, r/btc, and was DV'd into oblivion on r/buttcoin though it is still there.
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
shinohai: I haz agiteated the locals
mod6: mornin'
asciilifeform: heya mod6
asciilifeform: how goeth
mod6: good! u?
asciilifeform: mostly snoar
mod6: werd
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in other non-news, http://www.nihamkin.com/2016/10/23/writing-linux-modules-in-ada-part-1
mod6: hey, neat
asciilifeform: mod6: somewhat relatedly, chased bug in ffa for a ~week : wanted to make FZ.Z a trimmable ( e.g. length set as optional param ) so as to enable karatsubaization (which does 0 useful without being able to, for it and nothing else, constrain the lenght of FZ)
asciilifeform: mod6: but i forgot the rule that if you type Blah(Optional : SomeMachineType := itsdefaultvalue) is record ....
asciilifeform: than you're fucked because SomeMachineType is , say, 2**64
asciilifeform: and the proggy will try to ALLOCATE THAT PER FZ
asciilifeform: because such is the rule, it has to have room for max possible size...
asciilifeform: (given as inside we have Z : Words(0 .. Optional) ! )
asciilifeform: to asciilifeform's shame , he instrumented the proggy in gdb, found nothing useful, in the end found with strace.
BingoBoingo: lol shinohai
asciilifeform: 'bug' is not even right word here, mod6 ,
asciilifeform: it's a classical 'my proggy doesn't work, because ada is harsh mistress' followed by week with book and bare hands/teeth and finally 'oh huh, i broke rule'
mircea_popescu: shinohai is that good for altcoins ? ☟︎
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 2265.01, vol: 25349.01115508 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 2232.883, vol: 17179.80007 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 2219.5, vol: 40761.18369692 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 2186.955543, vol: 29505.09260000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 2261.257, vol: 10961.7372161 | Volume-weighted last average: 2226.61922601
mod6: asciilifeform: aha. i can tell you from my own recent adventures into learning ada that it is strict, and strong.
asciilifeform: mod6: idea is to prevent runtime surprises at any cost.
mod6: i set out to do something similar to what phf had been doing by writing some tests utilizing ffa. but then i couldn't figure out how to even make a package with function or procedure that used a generic type.
asciilifeform: ada generics are interesting, they are not like cpp templates, not mere string substitution -- the thing actually has to prove correct for any legal invocation, anywhere
asciilifeform: ( because it can in fact be invoked in ~arbitrary places, and with params not predetermined at compile time, unlike cpp template )
mod6: so then i took a step back. decided to do something like what the initial steps of my V do; list the contents of a directory, throw the filenames into a list using Doubly_Linked_Lists(Unbounded_String) and then attempt to pass them to another function that does further parsing.
asciilifeform: i recommend to avoid unboundedstring and other runtime-heaptronic types, esp for n00bz
mod6: So my progress was pretty solid. But I'm not all the way there yet.
asciilifeform: pragma Restrictions (No_Implicit_Heap_Allocations);
asciilifeform: ^ put at the head of your main body, and see what ends up barfing
mod6: Oh yeha, for sure, normally, i wouldn't do such a thing. but i'm just trying to grab the reins at this point. just get ~something~ to actually work.
asciilifeform: i get this. but using heap is even more of 'adventure' in ada.
asciilifeform: you will run against the 'access' (pointer) visibility rules, which are downright 'fascist'
asciilifeform: ( gotta prove to the compiler that pointer under NO circumstances can wander 'off the reservation', and it will reject certain obviously 'to naked eye' valid uses, and you will tear hair out )
asciilifeform: for instance, the almost ubiquitous c-ism, of creating a pointer (ada 'access') variable on a procedure's local (stack) and passing it to something -- anything -- is illegal ☟︎
mod6: <+asciilifeform> i get this. but using heap is even more of 'adventure' in ada. << ahh, i see.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> ^ put at the head of your main body, and see what ends up barfing << im gonna try this and see if that helps a bit more.
asciilifeform: mod6: whole thing is a quite painful experience until it begins to dawn on you why the various 'fascisms' are there.
mod6: this all makes sense, and for this strictness I like it. im just not quite used to it all yet.
asciilifeform: took asciilifeform year+ to 'get used to'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the problem is this : you're an intelligent fellow that has interesting things to say, sometimes. some other times, however, you metamorphosize into dumbalf. i have no idea if it's the phases of the moon or what you ate that day or what, but the change is palpable.
mircea_popescu: as it happens, dumbalf wishes to spend all its time, and if possible everyone else's time, engaged in the following infantile game : it will spend about half a second to come up with some strong statement that's evidently false, entirely predicated on ignorance, pure nonsense. then he'll defend it tooth and nail, for hours if need be, exploring every nook and cranny of stupid shit that could be said to defend stupid shit. thi
mircea_popescu: s, of course, does nothing -- stupid shit is predictable and it's not going to catch smart people unprepared.
mircea_popescu: but then, once however many also intelligent, also with interesting things to say folks have wasted however many hours of their life showing dumbalf that indeed, dumb=dumb and stupid=stupid, dumbalf will just spend ANOTHER half second to come up with another bit of nonsense, vaguely related if related at all, and pivot to that.
mircea_popescu: but he pivots seamlessly, like duck in water, or if you prefer like textbook idiot : there's absolutely no sign whatsoever that all the time wasted on educating it left any kind of mark whatsoever -- a sad suspicion confirmed by the cyclical nature of the nonsense. so he'll proceed to defend the new half second half baked "idea" in the same manner.
mircea_popescu: while you were still doing new material, this was merely tedious and unpleasant ; but since you're doing re-runs these days it's simply insufferable. ima take you off ignore now, but plox to bear in mind that too much dumbalf in the mix actually makes talking to you -ev.
mod6: i figure, the more i work with it / use it, the easier it'll come.
mod6: woah
mircea_popescu waves.
asciilifeform: ohai mircea_popescu
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we were doing adaisms, you probably did not miss anything mircea_popescuine
mod6: mircea_popescu: was that a quote from somewhere, or your own text just in one large paste?
mircea_popescu: mod6 sometimes i wish to re-read what i'm about to say, so i write it in advance.
mod6: aha, yeah, i do the same sometimes too.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> took asciilifeform year+ to 'get used to' << yeah, im def. at least a year behind :/
mod6: i really started getting into ada like... maybe a month or to ago, even though I kinda started nosing through the Ada 95 Ref book a while before.
mod6: s/to/two
mod6: im gonna keep working on it. i figure after enough beatings, my morale will improve :]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/41dLQ/?raw=true ( unrelatedly )
asciilifeform: mod6: morale improves, at least in my experience, once you begin to write working proggy from 1st try, after period of banging head against compiler
mod6: yah, it's a process.
mod6: I read through ffa, and it 'makes sense' to me as far as what you're doing in most cases -- as I understand the intent of the expressions. but i stand in awe, especially after trying my own hand at Ada, at what you've produced.
asciilifeform: mod6: possibly it needs to be simpler, then, intent is that no 'awe' should result from reading it, it oughta be screamingly obvious
asciilifeform: at some point i intend to try to convince mircea_popescu to read it and it'll be ultimate test
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/CVVIW/?raw=true
mod6: I think what is simple, obvious, and kindergarden-esq to you, is, at least for me, still very impressive.
asciilifeform: dun worry mod6 , soon you too will be jaded and not ever again impressed with ~anything ..!
shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-26#1662654 <<< Good for all agitated teat coins. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-26 17:52 mircea_popescu: shinohai is that good for altcoins ?
mod6: asciilifeform: haha, ok
asciilifeform: mod6: it is probably possible to write a treatise re how proper programming is the art of the 'unsexy', of necessary but unexciting work , like well-mopped floor or well-peeled potato
asciilifeform: but i suspect that it is already written, somewhere, i will not attempt to reinvent bicycle.
mod6: ah, indeed.
BingoBoingo presently surprised with performance of "tapcon" masonry drill bit performance in 12v drill. Slow, but no slower than hammer drill. Tis possible the space between compact drill and full blown rotary hammer is without future
BingoBoingo: Certainly requires not much more pushing from operator.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you can drill ~anything if slowly enough
BingoBoingo: Ah, but has gone from mind numbingly slow to, slow but on par with "feature checkbox"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'll read it, i'll read it.
shinohai: l
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in other disadvantages of kissing all the random chicks / hanging out with "lesbians", i got the worst fucking cold ;/
shinohai: El gripe! :(
mircea_popescu: nah, some sort of staph i think
shinohai: ouch