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a111: Logged on 2016-09-12 01:43 BingoBoingo still greatly prefering phf's lowwwg to Framedragger's
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-12#1539721 << i use phf's search reflexively at this point ☝︎
BingoBoingo still greatly prefering phf's lowwwg to Framedragger's ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2016-09-11 21:39 phf: asciilifeform: do you by chance have schematics for your model f controller reimplementation?
asciilifeform: for anyone who, like phf, has been 'waiting for dust to settle', here's (imho) ~impartial summary: mircea_popescu demands one particular aspect of correct gossiptron: repudiability; and is willing to newjersyize ('best-effort') everything else. asciilifeform demands that the entire thing have strength on par with the basis crypto. mircea_popescu points out that this building demands an escherian, if you will, brick. asciilifeform - d
asciilifeform: phf: it's more or less deadlocked.
mircea_popescu: phf who ditched bdsm ?
asciilifeform: phf: aha, it wasn't 'we', it was just me.
pete_dushenski: shinohai, phf, ben_vulpes would one of you gents be do kind as to pass along a signed copy of the wp-mp pkg ?
a111: Logged on 2016-09-11 00:40 phf: mircea_popescu: i just do it by hand
mircea_popescu: phf does a111 autoprocess patches from chan or do you just do by hand ?
asciilifeform: where was that hopper phf made, again
mod6: phf: if you're talking about 'malleus_mikehearnificarum' and 'programmable-versionstring' then you'd be correct. they were reground, and never resigned by alf.
asciilifeform: phf: wai wat
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/patches/malleus_mikehearnificarum << what happened here, phf ? i know i signed malleus and versionstring (i wrote'em) ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/patches/asciilifeform_orphanage_thermonuke << did i ever tell phf how much i enjoy looking at the colours ?
a111: Logged on 2016-09-10 21:39 a111: Logged on 2016-09-10 19:00 phf: four vpatches have been certified by the vulpes family, http://btcbase.org/patches/genesis http://btcbase.org/patches/bitcoin-asciilifeform.1 http://btcbase.org/patches/rm_rf_upnp and http://btcbase.org/patches/bitcoin-asciilifeform.2-https_snipsnip
a111: Logged on 2016-09-10 19:00 phf: four vpatches have been certified by the vulpes family, http://btcbase.org/patches/genesis http://btcbase.org/patches/bitcoin-asciilifeform.1 http://btcbase.org/patches/rm_rf_upnp and http://btcbase.org/patches/bitcoin-asciilifeform.2-https_snipsnip ☟︎
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-10: [19:00:17] <phf> four vpatches have been certified by the vulpes family, http://btcbase.org/patches/genesis http://btcbase.org/patches/bitcoin-asciilifeform.1 http://btcbase.org/patches/rm_rf_upnp and http://btcbase.org/patches/bitcoin-asciilifeform.2-https_snipsnip
ben_vulpes: phf: that's my fault, uploaded a genesis.vpatch.sig
asciilifeform: neato phf . it worx.
asciilifeform: phf: i have one for upnp removal but it is pre-v
mircea_popescu: phf !# plox.
asciilifeform: phf: aha, the 'for' item.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-09#1538426 << phf has own, and i have, and possibly other folks. but there remain unsolved problems. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-08-26 15:26 phf: btw is it possible to chosen-ciphertext attack gpg if it were to sit on the wire?
mod6: phf: ah, indeed then, we should rework it with what we've since discussed and rethought since 2015 or whenever, and see if a prototyping process can begin.
asciilifeform: phf: actual presses generally are nosy and ask copyrasty questions
asciilifeform: now to be fair, phf, that's 680 sheets of paper.
asciilifeform: phf: 1300 pg of laser paper takes up too much width
asciilifeform: phf: yes. it's the one nobody can print into 1 b00k
asciilifeform: phf: tried many times to have it printed in oncie copy, but NOBODY will promise it in ONE COVER
asciilifeform: phf: hilariously, i've been trying to buy the dead tree for eons
mircea_popescu: eg, "~a111@unaffiliated/phf/bot/a111"
asciilifeform: phf: for some reason everyone insists on SAME kind of idiocy
asciilifeform: phf: five bucks and a soldering iron buys you a very acceptable rng.
asciilifeform: phf: they've been surfacing for 20 years.
asciilifeform: iirc asciilifeform was the one with the ru poets, phf - with french poets and lions, mircea_popescu - with cinematic. etc
mircea_popescu pictures someone who actually feels shame over not having read the references here. imagine! you got "i used to fuck lions in kindergarten" alf ; native russian poet afficionado and whatever else phf is, then there's the cinematic tradition, and the...
asciilifeform: phf's btcbase.org/patches has the canonical.
mircea_popescu: btw Framedragger, you realise that once i link you, the bots will notice, and you'll eventually get the phf treatment, a month or w/e later ?
mircea_popescu: the problems start when phf will get more people to do knuth style literature
asciilifeform: phf: ip ban is also problematic in the sense that enemy can easily spoof any number of faux SYNs from, e.g., my box, to yours
jhvh1: phf: Error: "joke" is not a valid command.
jhvh1: phf: [KJV] Matthew 22:21 :: They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.
Framedragger: phf: ...yeah. i wanted to switch to utc so changed environment settings for when it next restarted and then it restarted sooner than expected. SUCH ENGINEERING :/
scriba: [2/3] [15:22:03] <phf> a111 quoted the two btcbase urls. one of the urls contained mkj url, so scriba quoted that
scriba: [2/3] [15:22:03] <phf> a111 quoted the two btcbase urls. one of the urls contained mkj url, so scriba quoted that
Framedragger: and yeah cool stuff phf
Framedragger: regarding readability, yah /me prefers phf's html too, i think :D i'll see about it after more important things are taken care of; but it's prolly good to have different designs, too.
Framedragger: i'm not sure regarding explicit list of bots for each bot for good citizenry / collaboration purposes, but as phf said his bot already does that, kinda.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-07: [15:18:47] <phf> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-07#1535934 << i also added your links to crossref ( for example the little hand here, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-07#1536009 )
mircea_popescu: i think best would be if phf Framedragger and everyone ever running a log bot limits the number of lines the bot will read without interruption from human to three.
asciilifeform: phf: neato
asciilifeform: phf: i did think about this.
shinohai still prefers readability of phf's logs, no offense to Framedragger
mircea_popescu: lol. phf let each bot do its own.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-07 09:34 Framedragger: phf: thanks for adding scriba btcbase log's list of bots btw
Framedragger: phf: thanks for adding scriba btcbase log's list of bots btw ☟︎
asciilifeform: https://www.cis.upenn.edu/~nadiah << hey phf, consider dropping by there and see..?
a111: Logged on 2016-08-17 17:02 mircea_popescu: Framedragger the reason there's a lot of credence in phf's perhaps harsh criticism is http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-make-money-on-the-internet-while-pretending-you-know-what-youre-talking-about-and-accumulating-a-legion-of-mindless-followers-for-fun-and-profit/
mircea_popescu: in fact, mining is included in the gossipd implementation of privacy ; re-read the example given there to phf.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-30 11:25 Framedragger: mircea_popescu: and i'll implement these things even if phf's bot becomes more reliable or w/e, because, decentralization!1
Framedragger: hey wb phf!
mircea_popescu: phf ^
trinque: phf: bot being diddled again?
deedbot: trinque rated phf 2 at 2016/02/09 09:32:36 << provided example CL code for next deedbot, made excellent v-patch viewer, intelligent fellow
trinque: !!rated phf
deedbot: diana_coman rated phf 2 << Only known fault so far is making public the day he leaves for vacations. ☟︎
shinohai waves to phf, hopes he enjoyed vacation.
asciilifeform welcomes phf back
gribble: phf was last seen in #trilema 1 week, 2 days, 0 hours, 39 minutes, and 58 seconds ago: <phf> or perhaps digitalocean is just shit
pete_dushenski: ;;seen phf
asciilifeform: somebody milking phf's box again ?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: iirc phf followed my recipe to a happy result. might want to ask him when he comes back from desert planet.
asciilifeform: i'm willing to bet that if phf's creation were sat down on a reasonably ~sane~ lisp system, e.g., sbcl, it would run stably.
asciilifeform: well, to date experience consists of phf, who uses the buggy cmucl for some peculiar sentimental reason; and of trinque, whose shit appears to work ~100% of the time.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: and i'll implement these things even if phf's bot becomes more reliable or w/e, because, decentralization!1 ☟︎
asciilifeform: apparently phf is running the thing not only on cmucl, but on 486..?
mircea_popescu: phf got a lot to learn about the practical side of these things it turns out.
pete_dushenski: what's the status on the logs ? phf ?
Framedragger: or if phf wants to handle that part, or w/e
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: should i then proceed to implement the bot-part of the logs, too? if phf's bot part can be reused, then that's great, too. i guess i can investigate
asciilifeform: how long is phf's vacation anyway
Framedragger: you mean permalinks to any given irc line? no. i don't know how phf's numbers work but can probably dig it out
asciilifeform: if phf had published his thing, it ~might~ suddenly be conceivable that his eternal bug would be fixed. and at any rate a spare bot could be fired up on short notice.
Framedragger: look, it sounds like an excuse, but i assumed that phf's btcbase will remain the canonical viewer. making extended effort at redundancy *is* sometimes inefficient, even if educational.
trinque: I did not take this on because phf volunteered his thing.
Framedragger: hey i wrote this for myself for when phf is out in his desert ;)
Framedragger: yeah giving phf logs from multiple places and having a mechanism for this would be nice
trinque: I'd prefer just feeding phf logs in some manner
mircea_popescu: phf is out of the fucking band.
Framedragger: ;;later tell phf you may consider https://www.scaleway.com/pricing/ instead of digitalocean, or at least give it a try as one of them "bot mirrors" that you'd mentioned. there "BareMetal" (didn't try) and VPS (down below - works as advertised, no formal benchmarks tho). cheap.
trinque: deedbot's reliably connected. I am fine with just feeding phf logs if he wants.
asciilifeform: phf around ?
thestringpuller: phf is going to burning man?
asciilifeform: phf: are you changing the oil in the thing as we speak, or wat
a111: Logged on 2016-08-26 13:13 phf: etc. you're only dealing with cost of validation. (which could be brought down by having own crypto)
a111: Logged on 2016-08-25 03:13 phf: hehe, actually ambush strategy is one of the reasons there's no known solutions for general networks, which must be a bummer for dod
a111: Logged on 2016-08-26 13:04 phf: i don't think there's a solution to drowned in sibyl's in general. there's a cost to validating counterparty (which is continuous in case of gossipd, there's no "validate the ip, and then trust it" which is what i mean by "no trust in ip"), which can be exploited by attacker.