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decimation: mircea_popescu: " foss is fundamentally immune to this bs" < not clear. however I suspect usg would not want to try to stick someone posting foss - because the courts would likely find that this kind of regulation would contradict the first amendment
decimation: (unless you get a license and permission from usg of course)
decimation: ^ usg is proposing to implement a treaty (purely via executive fiat) to ban the export of 'intrusion software'
mircea_popescu: b-a is the sitting authority, not some random twerps on the mailing list of some random usg-mandated security theatre "product"
decimation: "premeditated disregard for usg's rules"
asciilifeform: official usg law, no less
ascii_field: if zimmerman isn't in the pay of usg - he oughta be sending them a bill.
ascii_field: usg -has- his genuine private key when it wants to.
ascii_field: who, if anyone, will usg sack ?
ascii_field: (or what, usg hasn't graduated from hogwarts yet and doesn't do poison?)
asciilifeform: hence how the '90s 'crypto wars' ended with 'crypto is usg-legal but you can't buy an actual computer' thing
asciilifeform: on planet usg, it is always 1992
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1141745 << smbx spent a fortune on r&d. they tried to amortize this cost any way they could, but nothing worked - other than peddling golden toilets to usg and subsidiaries. when political fortunes changes - it was over. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 21-05-2015 02:22:08; decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-05-2015#1140385 < free herring is nice, but plenty of other places have free herring/oil/usg favors
decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-05-2015#1140385 < free herring is nice, but plenty of other places have free herring/oil/usg favors ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: nao, linking "phuctor" anchor to usg-replacement.
assbot: Logged on 20-05-2015 06:57:41; isaackl: And if Balaji is a USG shill he's a damn good actor
isaackl: mircea_popescu: OK, to connect it to reality. Sovereign wealth fund, has a lot of USD. Realises USG is shaky and wants to diversify. How do they decide how much to allocate to gold or bitcoin?
isaackl: And if Balaji is a USG shill he's a damn good actor ☟︎
isaackl: So who are the 5%, how has USG compromised them
ben_vulpes: <decimation> [01:51] or is the 'price signal' one of those things usg can will into existance? << are you familiar with the "winkdex"?
decimation: or is the 'price signal' one of those things usg can will into existance?
mircea_popescu: you've done what a hacker news reader would do, reading the usg piece instead of my piece and imagining "oh i read about crypto"
williamdunne: Africa might actually stand a chance of doing something if it weren't for various restrictions placed by EU, USG and co
decimation: one wonders why the hell usg doesn't investigate this kind of stuff
mats: which is why you can buy MREs for three bux when USG pays twelve per iirc
decimation: mats: I shudder to think about what the rest of usg is up to
decimation: sure, and rather than trusting in his judgment, usg sees fit to shower him with thousands of 'requirements'
jurov: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EO5ectGTcOU justJanne: the "sustained" was just your luck that usg needed to prop you up
mircea_popescu: that aside, the question of how exactly weak keys came to be, and what are they doing there and so on and so forth is not nearly as uninteresting as the usg agency would like to make it.
mircea_popescu: in other news, the next batch of usg dept of internet outsourcers, to replace the current batch of third worlders : http://i.imgur.com/9EG2jYA.gifv
mircea_popescu: <decimation> they got usg's nukes on call if they need them << nope, not anymore. new king is trashing the alliance.
trinque: http://www.wsj.com/articles/saudi-arabia-considers-nuclear-weapons-to-offset-iran-1430999409 << usg might be shifting the balance of power in the region towards their competitor
decimation: they got usg's nukes on call if they need them
decimation: usg is all over the place
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-05-2015#1132907 << again, in usa, this wage would disqualify you for any usg payola for 'the poor' while putting you precisely one medical or legal bill away from life-long debt, jail, or graveyard ☝︎
asciilifeform: live by usg, die by usg
decimation: asciilifeform: usg friendly 'liberal' majors are subsidized, of course
ascii_field: still usg turdware
decimation: some young officers - tought from entry that lying is very bad - find the real working of usg to be shocking
decimation: mircea_popescu: in this particular case, the guy claims that usg levies so many 'requirements' on its employees that no human could possibly fulfill them
decimation: usg's style is to seize someone's bitcoin and put it in their vault
decimation: I find it terribly unlikely that any formal usg employee is mining bitcoin
mircea_popescu: how is a derpy usg with delusions of separation and self importance different or better from the numerous groups of derpy miners with similar delusions that came and went over the years ?
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 22:19:52; danielpbarron: i don't have a problem with USG getting 1/3 of all the bitcoin; the can only spend it once
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you gotta appreciate, the usg is not the only one mining, nor has it been. at this point, the deployment you contemplate might allow it to catch up, but won't do much more than that.
mircea_popescu: of course they have. usg wants pki everywhere.
asciilifeform: i'm still curious, who is going to outcompete a hypothetical usg telecom monopoly inserting miners into cable boxes etc. and on what parameter ? cost of energy ? nope - schmucks pay. cost of manufacture? again, schmucks pay, indirectly. which is it ?
asciilifeform: but merely the minimal iron necessary to getwork() from usg and return results in a form that is unusable to mitmers
asciilifeform: 'eco lobby' is a usg tentacle like any other.
asciilifeform: usg claims ownership of the sun, moon, stars. orders the sea whipped. news at eleven.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: hm i guess my hypothesis is that usg won't claim enough of remaining unmined btc to throw a wrench in the individual sovereignty of those in #b-a.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i am still curious re: your hypothesis. was it that usg will not claim the remaining unmined btc, or that it doing so is uninteresting to us ?
asciilifeform: it is well-known that usg does. and that no such item makes it out of usa via the post unless usg wills it.
mircea_popescu: does usg-effective mean "bitcoin needs a decision making process which a) doesn't include mp as we've been pretending was the case all along and b) overrepresents us, as we've idem" ?
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 21:27:38; asciilifeform: re: l0ltr0n1cs: today i found out that ed felten (formerly 'freedom to tinker' blog, lawsuits against riaa, etc.) has been a usg stooge for several years now.
asciilifeform: jurov: grid isn't pegged. not by a long shot. think of the whole affair as usg imposing a (comparatively, tiny) tax on its subjects with which to buy hash.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: here's the test : within 12 months (or 12 years ?), the 'usg' will be unable to double-spend a bitcoin transaction.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: another problem with the "oh noes usg" card is that, as you well know, it's not monolithic. the infighting over any coins it gets its hands on will be considerable. and divisive.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: my counter is that calc ^. so within 100 years, usg is as deadly as pirate or karpeles !
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i'm trying to understand your counter here. is it that usg pocketing the last 1/3 of btc is not annoying? or that double-spends are not a problem ? or... what ?
danielpbarron: who would accept a transaction from USG ? and why should I feel sorry for them?
jurov: asciilifeform: and where usg gets the extra terawatt?
danielpbarron: i don't have a problem with USG getting 1/3 of all the bitcoin; the can only spend it once ☟︎
pete_dushenski: in any event, if the usg ends up with 18% of hashrate, albeit briefly, and throwing the kitchen sink at the the thing in the process, it would be about time they did something so productive.
danielpbarron: USG would have to further inflate the dollar to do that
pete_dushenski: so the usg'd have 18% in this scenario.
trinque: the idea that the whole USG is the decrepit post office is laughable
pete_dushenski: so by this time in 2016 the usg has 10 mn gh/s at its disposal.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: usg is correctly leveraging its only strengths - subterfuge, on captive audiences, backed by threat of brute force
asciilifeform: e.g., does it matter if usg becomes largest hash force ?
trinque: asciilifeform: I'd expect some broken off appendage of the NSA to accumulate a sizable stash of coin even if the rest of the USG falls apart
asciilifeform: was a genuine annoyance to usg, in the courts, press, net
asciilifeform: re: l0ltr0n1cs: today i found out that ed felten (formerly 'freedom to tinker' blog, lawsuits against riaa, etc.) has been a usg stooge for several years now. ☟︎
asciilifeform: (usg miners)
assbot: Successfully added a rating of -10 for gavinandresen with note: Perennial Bitcoin lolcow and ex USG asset.
mircea_popescu: !rate gavinandresen -10 Perennial Bitcoin lolcow and ex USG asset.
asciilifeform: the thing is, usg had roughly same relation with ru elite as brits had with india
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anbd re wynn's mishap : http://www.google.com.ar/url?url=http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2006/10/23/the-40-million-elbow&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&sa=U&ei=1MxSVZXzHsOdgwTPxYAo&ved=0CBoQFjAB&usg=AFQjCNHcHL4pbfohTFpHaR9wDiL5DGoE2A
decimation: although note that usg is fine with 18 year-olds voting and dying in the military
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> the size of that cohesive group is merely a function of the resources wasted on it. << But consider what USG spends on keeping NBP alive to only have Maybe 200 new Black Panthers vs. what Femen spends on Maybe 200 topless agitators.
ascii_field: (attempting to be something other than slavishly transparent to usg tendrils)
lobbes: Why India though? Aren't they essentially an arm of usg?
decimation: asciilifeform: things are already heading that way. there's a 'Schelling point' that enlarges every year around the "USG sucks" idea
asciilifeform: it seems almost laughably obvious that usg ought to hate and fear cheap private aviation
asciilifeform: trinque: notice how usg succeeded in nationalizing, de-facto, all of airspace in usa
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-05-2015#1128736 << -everybody- says this, but same argument could apply to usg-izing just about anything ☝︎
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-05-2015#1128674 << not suddenly. once the usg got involved. it has the shidas touch. ☝︎
decimation: usg event wants to sit upon hobbyists who fly r/c aircraft
decimation: actually I think aircraft could become much more 'personal', but usg has sat upon them
williamdunne: 23:50:20 - mircea_popescu: if you're serious about this, go to a country that's not part of the usg, run a proper exchange. no kyc/bs.
mircea_popescu: if you're serious about this, go to a country that's not part of the usg, run a proper exchange. no kyc/bs.
assbot: Logged on 11-05-2015 17:41:02; ascii_field: at any rate, the reason to hold off creaming your pants on this occasion, is that 1) it's yet another von neumann turd 2) enjoy trading usg boobytraps for ru variant
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2015#1128111 << ancient drm wankatron where lusers are somehow coerced into 'proving' that they run virginal winblows which will obey usg dictat ☝︎☟︎
ascii_field: usg photol0l: http://cryptome.org/sugar-grove-bunker.jpg
ascii_field: at any rate, the reason to hold off creaming your pants on this occasion, is that 1) it's yet another von neumann turd 2) enjoy trading usg boobytraps for ru variant ☟︎
pete_dushenski: for all the bitching about usg chip diddling in this place
mircea_popescu: thatr's exactly what it is. the whole thing that made usg work makes us work. it'll make us great long after it buried it.
mircea_popescu: you know, where the usg actually gained the ability to make bad graphs
mircea_popescu: davout the amount of herd-herding that the usg has been putting into this is so incredibly useful because a) it really can't do anything but! b) it really does expose the tools.