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asciilifeform: phf: even straight posix-c glue is preferable to those.
asciilifeform: phf: lol, i haven't updated since...
asciilifeform: ty phf
asciilifeform: phf: link?
a111: Logged on 2017-07-13 14:02 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1682303 << iirc phf posted his ffa helloworld a day or so after the original paste
a111: Logged on 2017-04-27 21:57 phf: asciilifeform: i did a thing
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1682303 << iirc phf posted his ffa helloworld a day or so after the original paste ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: phf: that thing is a riot !
asciilifeform: from phf's link, 'Бомбят, а нам не страшно. Бомбы-то освободительные. И так думают и чувствуют все. Никто не боится бомб.' mighty lulzy
asciilifeform: phf: ty. as it happens i just finished http://militera.lib.ru/memo/russian/miheenkov_se05/index.html
a111: Logged on 2016-12-24 23:12 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-24#1590325 << your password is now TMSR Safe(tm) certified. we have analyzed your password using stochastic gradient reduction methods(tm) that have determined that your password is safe from hackers. we recommend changing your existing passwords that are not TMSR Safe(tm) to your new TMSR Safe(tm) password. Ask our representative about helpful tips: how to change your Pretty Good Privacy password to TMSR
a111: Logged on 2017-07-09 17:12 phf: arbitrarily sized numbers are a variable sized type. gotta figure out ~some~ way of packing them. you're essentially left with type tagged size variation (if a byte is 0, then next struct is 8byte, if a byte is 1, then next struct is 16byte), but at the end you still will end up falling back to "read this number to know how many bytes to read"
a111: Logged on 2017-07-05 15:50 phf: oh flag, lets you pass this stuff as a command line argument.. i guess this approach works too. i'm not sure why i can't just do message = string(dat) but i'm too lazy to figure it out
sina: phf: are you about?
a111: Logged on 2017-07-09 16:29 phf: note that common lisp's sexps are not an ideal data exchange format
a111: Logged on 2017-07-10 14:59 phf: https://archive.is/lyT2j << "The American college graduate allegedly beaten to death by a gang of 10 people in Greece was an aspiring entrepreneur who was visiting the country to launch his own fashion line."
asciilifeform: phf: http://qntra.net/2017/07/american-student-investor-lynched-in-greece/ earlier
mircea_popescu: phf i would be friendly to the notion of a machine word yes.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-09 16:19 phf: (all-exposed-functionality) -> ((gossipd:all-message-since "give me all the gossipd message since a certain timestamp") ((timestamp fixnum "timestamp (in seconds since epoch) since which messages") ...))
mircea_popescu: phf no bounds ?
mircea_popescu: phf copied yours from above
mircea_popescu: phf serialization can at best be a packaging. the issue is, can i say "here's a function that takes a parameter and outputs "your mom's a python" and the data payload is function(is that you daddy)" in order to convey the string "your mom's a python" ?
mircea_popescu: phf this is like saying "this website prevents xss by using base64".
mircea_popescu: phf yeah, i get that.
mircea_popescu: phf hence the earlier discussion.
mircea_popescu: phf and the reason for this is that it tries to take it as code.
mircea_popescu: phf i don't know if you can or if you can't, not sufficiently experienced with the thing.
mircea_popescu: phf but that is, for the needs of this mental model, a broken machine. not broken data.
asciilifeform: phf: lenat being the patron saint of'em
mircea_popescu: phf your excited attempts at playiung with candi's ass, back when she was a virgin, is a plain and very obvious indication of what ~every lisp hacker knows but none dare admit, or think about. it's a fundamentally dirty language in that it doesn't, actually, admit there is even in principle differences between data and code. "oh, it's an array, and here's the associated macro, so this .dat file is actually turing complete". f
mircea_popescu: phf no, i ~know~. he doesn't expect, i don't expect either, but the difference is im being actively optimistic about it.
mircea_popescu: phf you see the problem in ahead of time yes ?
mircea_popescu: phf how does one node discover the other node's symbolic representation of the universe ?
a111: Logged on 2017-07-09 15:53 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-09#1680939 << actually it optimizes beautifully and needs 0 bignum anythings. but i've been holding back on spoiling this olympiad for phf et al
mircea_popescu: phf romanian girls look almost exactly like ukrainian girls. so is it normal for them to look turkish ? mnope.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-09 15:48 phf: which made me think that hashes are typically implemented in terms of machine words, so you don't have this kind of issues. fhf might be inherently "unoptimizable" since units that it operates on must be bignums
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-09#1680939 << actually it optimizes beautifully and needs 0 bignum anythings. but i've been holding back on spoiling this olympiad for phf et al ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: phf that was the intention at least.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-08 02:00 phf: ah, so it's a subtle "what tenets would that be? handy if you made a LIST of them here, eh!"
a111: Logged on 2017-07-08 01:24 phf: no, it's more like alfs rhetoric approach at some point was encouraged, where's now it seems to be recognized, and often treated with "oh it's just alf doing his thing".
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-08#1680517 << this is quite a bit moar 'mean gurlz' than actually in play, phf. i dun give anything like the suggested amount of fuck. the educable - learn, the rest - will learn by pissing on the electric fence personally; or, when far too late, already having 'fucked the cousin' etc. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-08 01:13 phf: pretty sure asciilifeform is actively ignoring the whole initiative, with only periodic pounces. as opposed to his older strategy of annihilating the whole thing upfront. must be getting old
a111: Logged on 2017-07-05 15:39 phf: sina: is that ^ a correct method?
sina: phf: :D
mircea_popescu: phf for my curiosiuty, list tenets and positive/negative effects ?
asciilifeform: phf: is the only one i know of, yes
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i was looking more for a redo of phf 's very fine "xorg" speech.
sina: phf: bam
asciilifeform: phf has it
mircea_popescu: phf its actually both a pity and impenetrable to me, why exactly weird california never actually happy.
mircea_popescu: phf are you intimating they're just letting me get addicted after which they'll reel me in ???
mircea_popescu: phf not yet.
mircea_popescu: this is not said once, but multiple times and in multiple aspects ( take http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-deal-with-pseudoscience/ for instance, or phf's comment re cyphercomms, or tons and tons of others), and it all comes to the same root : IF you engage irrelevancy, you will arrive at wrong results. IF you engage irrelevant complicacy, you will arive at an unwarranted misjudgement of yourself -- you will think yourself impot
a111: Logged on 2017-06-20 16:30 phf: building wot for all comers will suffer the same fate as pgp. since nobody's using it, it turns into an arms race of easy to use, or "innovation" also known as masturbation over technical minutiae. i sort of realized this when i tried applying tmsr solutions to my cypherpunk friends: "no we don't need to research the difference between signal and telegram, just encrypt it to my gpg key and post it on dpaste or whatever." eliminated all the technical di
shinohai: Yeah phf ....it's the heathen google plugin that came with gribble. I haven't bothered to fix, sorry, since I have a rewrite in the worx
a111: Logged on 2017-07-06 14:50 phf: http://www.johnderbyshire.com/Opinions/Diaries/2017-06.html << “So far as the question I opened with is concerned — "If we tried to use our nukes, would they work?" — I'm guessing the answer is "probably not."”
asciilifeform: !~later tell phf nm, false alarm, problem was on my end
asciilifeform: !~later tell phf didja change something on tehl0gz www recently ? it no longer fits on my displays w/out horizontal scrolling, is a headache
mircea_popescu: phf i kept telling the naive early adopter noobs that gifting coin is fucking dumb.
asciilifeform: not, note, phf's.
mircea_popescu: but you were talking to phf
mircea_popescu: but phf has certainly earned himself the right to make that call ?
mircea_popescu: what's the alfhf that goes from S = "phf: why would you even." to H = "just as honest surgeon will not point to bangladeshis drinking from rivers of shit and call it 'alternate hygiene, just as good' -- i also will not" ?
mircea_popescu: phf no period, it's not " !" it's "!~"
asciilifeform: phf: why would you even. what's next, building the microshit F# one ?
shinohai: phf there was a space before your !~
a111: Logged on 2017-07-05 15:39 phf: sina: is that ^ a correct method?
mircea_popescu: phf worth to have, though.
ben_vulpes: phf: illuminating, ty
a111: Logged on 2017-07-04 14:09 phf: fhf implementation http://paste.lisp.org/display/350018, this one just races against ben_vulpes's, i'll see if i can beat go version once i get to building go environment..
asciilifeform: phf: i did not say 'shame' lel
asciilifeform: phf: i can see argument for 100% unoptimized 'potato'. but if yer gonna optimize, may as well do it properly neh
a111: Logged on 2017-07-04 14:09 phf: fhf implementation http://paste.lisp.org/display/350018, this one just races against ben_vulpes's, i'll see if i can beat go version once i get to building go environment..
a111: Logged on 2017-07-04 14:52 phf: but i use it to refer to intentionally or unintentionally naive code. like the kind of stuff you would write in BASIC.
mircea_popescu: phf what it was that i consistently ; not what it is that i consistently was :D
a111: Logged on 2017-03-09 18:06 mircea_popescu: phf you know it's whereas not where's.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-04 14:15 phf: part of spec as far as i understand it, that the (fhf mp ...) part is a canonical, but not the only implementation. so yeah you could write optimal version of mp's fhf, but it's not going to speak the same dictionary, and you won't be necessarily able to apply same optimizations to other (fhf ...). (or i guess you can, but require more cleverness than just etc.)
mircea_popescu: phf whereas is not where's, etymologically or otherwise. i dunno if you know that.
mircea_popescu: and then there's the "screw". as phf sez, nuff said.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-04 13:52 phf: (funny thing re sbit vs bit, sbit generates immediate assembly, where's bit, in sbcl, calls out to a function named SB-KERNEL:HAIRY-DATA-VECTOR-REF. nuff said)
asciilifeform: phf: potato?
asciilifeform: dun need the <= phf
asciilifeform: phf: hm, 'woods' turns out was in de ?
asciilifeform: phf: what does your rewind do if pos is 0 ?
asciilifeform: phf: there's a couple of order-of-magnitude imho obvious optimizations, but i dun wanna ruin the fun
mircea_popescu: phf not many.
asciilifeform: phf: 7!1111
asciilifeform: phf: matter of time.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-03 14:38 phf came back from the woods again
asciilifeform: phf: imho sampling profilers are a wholly useless thing, 'horse with pedals', unless you're working a honeywagon (e.g. virginal trb) and have deeply nfi what the hell the program is doing
a111: Logged on 2017-06-30 09:10 mircea_popescu: paging phf for ben_vulpes 's needs
asciilifeform: phf will find ^ esp. entertaining, i suspect
mircea_popescu: paging phf for ben_vulpes 's needs ☟︎
mircea_popescu: phf next you're going to come up with shade a la "the only reason it's fabulous is cuz it's ghey" and then ima get my disbaseball bat
ben_vulpes: phf: 2
asciilifeform: phf: uni of md. vicinity, and much of dc, are covered in 'trump as ru stooge' stickers, complete with (yes) hammers an' sickles
asciilifeform: phf: now this -- tru!
mod6: phf: ah no shit huh?
mod6: <+phf> has builtin trackball even, in the right place << this would be handy. mine doesn't have this. having to take my hands off the board gets annoying.
asciilifeform: phf: dunno whether they still made