phf: asciilifeform: you know they produced a whole series of those, f.el, dash.el, s.el. "modern"! ☟︎

phf: there "was", there was a standard package (require 'cl) that various parties were trying to kill. stefan monnier spent his emacs maintainer tenure deprecating, and i think succeeded. now you're supposed to use cl-lib, to the point that elisp goes out of the way to not highlight various cl forms

phf: first -> cl-first, defstruct -> cl-defstruct, etc. shitgnomery

phf: of course, what if things clash!! lets break 20 years of code, so that alice m. queerfem is not triggered by symbol clashes

phf: shitgnomes held an emacs conference, complete with code of conduct https://emacsconf.github.io/emacsconf2015/ , names on that page of projects and people are the usual suspects. organizers are sacha chua and john wiegley, who is the current emacs maintainer.

phf: so in case anybody was under a false impression that emacs is going to remain a trusty engineer workhorse for much longer..

phf: thestringpuller: i've used vim from about 98 to 2002 and have no problems with it, but the whole vi vs emacs thing is silly. vi is a text editor, emacs is a lisp machine. there are some substitutes hemlock, mit scheme's edwin, climacs, but nothing with this much live ecosystem.

phf: jurov: [...] now i'm curious what gpg does here << gnugp avoids the first two issues, data exchange happens through own custom buffer mechanism (fixed size and wiped at earliest possible point after each use, with afaik necessary bits to prevent caching to disk, etc.) and openpgp "packets" come with 3 byte headers, that describe the type and the size of the payload.

phf: i know ascii doesn't like the code, but it's a lot more competent than openssh

phf: jurov: i've been playing with the gossipd PoC, and it's entirely possible to get a gnupg packet from the wire, defensively, byte at a time, and know at any point how much more you need to get.

phf: huh can't download shit from dropbox using links. "this video requires adobe flash player"

phf: complete with a mandatory opening panorama shot of a merc 280sel pulling up to a mansion

phf: end of 90s remnants of su intelligentsia, who grew up on stolen, non-localized hardware in the 70s and 80s, were actively arguing for translit. i still periodically get emails from hard science types written in translit. i remember some of those people were really mad when emacs 20 added localization support (MULE was particularly dodgy take on it). i didn't understand what the big deal was back then though. ironically i didn't have

phf: shit to write or read, where's those guys produced GBs of text in translit, published entire tex papers that used escape codes to do cyrillic, etc. should've listened.

phf: key exchange is hard, but i designed this easy to use automated schENALRGE YOUR PENIS NOW!!

phf: hermit is not the same as hobo. i saw a hermit in india once, he lived in a cave and was well groomed within the limits of what was available to him. he smelled infinitely better then the bums that were begging in the street. for all practicle purpose american nerds are "hobos" with housing

phf: mind and will go first, then the body

phf: yeah, i'm lost with the terminology. my view into the lazy world is through hipster bums, like crust punks and gypsters, and they are not very precise with their terminolgoy, or else they latch on to some word and aggressively use it to self identify

phf: with this classification crust punks and gypsters mostly fall into tramp category

phf: a spent bum is by analogy with доходяга or фитиль

phf: gets all excited during compilation, fan kick in "yeah, motherfucker, we're ~doing~ shit"

phf: scummvm runs nicely, what else you need

phf: probably not a manual build, just stock gnupg win32 builds are done with ming?

phf: pete_dushenski: copy paste from that site imports just fine