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mircea_popescu: incidentally asciilifeform http://www.loper-os.org/?p=568&cpage=4#comment-17553 ?
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phf: gabriel_laddel: i was drunk when answering you last time. i like the idea of a self-contained lisp system with ux built on top of xproto/xlib/zen, because can still attach c program outputs, and stream own output to unix systems proper. i've been building my own tools to be essentially a combination of cmucl repl, that spawn xlib windows on demand. not sure if you know but x is essentially a binary network protocol (described in
phf: variations of "X Window System Protocol" documents), with xlib being its C implementation. core protocol is pretty simple, but problems start with protocol extensions of various levels of retardation (like xinerama, etc.)
phf: how xserver talks to hardware is entirely outside the scope of protocol, since server accepts the xproto packets and then does rendering
phf: main problem with zen right now is that it does rendering, but it uses opengl (glx specifically) as the framebuffer. i've not looked at the implementation bits, but i assume that it goes beyond simple blit, so you might be able to retarget it to other opengl, but not necessarily straight to framebuffer, without implementing your own blit level rendering primitives
phf: also zen doesn't support most of the modern x11 extensions, that you might want for running something like firefox. in fact last time i checked it didn't support xrander, which is an old image composition extension that might as well be standard
phf: !up gabriel_laddel
gabriel_laddel: "i've been building my own tools to be essentially a combination of cmucl repl, that spawn xlib windows on demand" << xlib windows that display what exactly? Large GUIs? Renderings of novel structures?
phf: gabriel_laddel: gnuplot, xfoil kind of output, i.e. batch graphic, or anything that requires input with a mouse
phf: i know you do clim, but running clim through zen is essentially simultaneously trying to debug two 70% speed/coverage projects. even simple handwritten xlib proggies don't work out of the box.
mats: oh cads
mats: we were almost finalized on a small project where he'd design a widget and send me 3d prints of the prototype
mats: and then he disappeared forever (I didn't render any payment, though)
mats: ;;seen cads
gribble: cads was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 40 weeks, 2 days, 23 hours, 22 minutes, and 17 seconds ago: <cads> being Professor Cads in an underground university
gabriel_laddel: phf: "because can still attach c program outputs" + "zen doesn't support most of the modern x11 extensions, that you might want for running something like firefox". We have CLIM irc, a listener (repl), an editor, dired + other. I don't particularly want to run c programs. You'd just end up reinventing CLIM anyways after you notice that "gee, it would be nice to have draggable crossbars in my GUI and geometry".
gabriel_laddel: phf: yes, debugging CLIM + zen at the same time is going to suck, but debugging CLIM + xlib sucks, and I have not yet compared the two to find out which is worse.
gabriel_laddel: It seems like what you're getting at is that the correct order of affairs is to tackle zen first, and then CLIM?
mircea_popescu: phf there is no native lisp gfx engine ?
gabriel_laddel: Heh, define native.
mircea_popescu: "opengl implemented in lisp"
gabriel_laddel: No such thing.
mircea_popescu: ahahahaahah what
mircea_popescu: why the fuck not ?
mircea_popescu: no, let me rephrase that.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: have you tried reading the OpenGL spec?
mircea_popescu: why not back in 1999 when opengl was not even taking over yet ?
mircea_popescu: im not the one that loves lisp.
mircea_popescu: but yes, i know.
phf: gabriel_laddel: i'm saying that it's only worthwhile to bring in zen if you want to ultimately do x11 support for foreign code. right now your problem is clim+xlib, you want your problem to be clim+xlib+zen+cl-opengl+glx. if the ultimate goal is drop x, then might as well try and retarget clim to framebuffer. the two (adding zen and framebuffer clim) or at 100% identical in the amount of effort
mircea_popescu: nevertheless...
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: they did. Symbolics.
gabriel_laddel: S-GRAPHICS
mircea_popescu: that wasn't opengl
gabriel_laddel: phf: ah.
gabriel_laddel: phf: Thanks.
phf: mircea_popescu: i think that there's a bunch of people trying to chuck moore their way out of "modern computing" here, as such there's not native anything
mircea_popescu: incidentally if things are this fucked up, the correct avenue would probably be to define a full gfx stack
phf: *people here
mircea_popescu: phf you mean in lisp ? or what here ?
phf: mircea_popescu: here as in in #b-a
mircea_popescu: i dun follow.
mircea_popescu: the lisp power rangers failed to lead the wave in implementing opengl correctly twenty years ago
mircea_popescu: because of what we do in ba ?!
phf: mircea_popescu: oh, no, that was the answer to "there is no native lisp gfx engine?"
mircea_popescu: there should have been long ago. wtf is this joek.
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mircea_popescu: what, all through 1995 - 2005 everyone "in lisp" sat around on their ass passing back and forth stories of how cool moon was in the 70s and how great gabriel's hairdo looks ?
phf: everything talks to xlib, win32, carbon/cocoa and on top of that to opengl, directx. there are parts of that stack implemented in lisp (either as clients or as hosts). there's no opengl in lisp, there's opengl client in lisp. there's both xlib client and server in lisp, etc. there's not enough lisp code to run the whole graphics stack from the lisp machine to the video card end to end
mircea_popescu: because lisp is so empowering and shit ?
phf: mircea_popescu: the spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak?
mircea_popescu: yeah well... this logic is broken. so lisp is good because, and i quote, "Because Lisp, as a tool, is to the mind as the lever is to the arm. It amplifies your power and enables you to embark on projects beyond the scope of lesser languages like C. Writing in C is like building a mosaic out of lentils using a tweezer and glue. Lisp is like wielding an air gun with power and precision. It opens out whole kingdoms
mircea_popescu: shut to other programmers."
mircea_popescu: meanwhile... there is an implementation of particularly gnarly in c, but not in lisp.
mircea_popescu: are we in a singularity ?
mircea_popescu: and nobody seems to rub the lispers' face in this, either. what, there's some sort of chivalrous convention i don't know about going on ?
phf: mircea_popescu: oh they do, that's a common argument
mircea_popescu: "take your propeller-hat, your paranthesis and your spielhosen away from here and come back when you have a fully native gfx stack."
mircea_popescu: a ? i guess teh summarizer's been sparing me.
mircea_popescu: but what's the problem, anyway ? seems like this is an exact match for the argued strengths of lisp.
mircea_popescu: (note that i'm not discussing performance. i'm not going hey, why doesn't lisp-gl push out 2x the fps of directx in 2001. just, it should be abel to do it, at all.)
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: After SMBX died CL had to be re-implemented.
mircea_popescu: i can readily understand why the ~performance~ issue is a true quagmire.
gabriel_laddel: non-CL lispers by-and-large, fail to understand why they're using lisp at all.
mircea_popescu: how do you mean ?
gabriel_laddel: Some 'lisper' who 'gets it' will implement a 'lisp' on top of another system and declare that "for such and such political/business reasons, the system we're basing our lisp on won't change its foundations, and therefore we're safe to write code on top of it"
mircea_popescu: ...
gabriel_laddel: Then, inevitably, the foundations change.
gabriel_laddel: No lisper to date has produced a distro that DOES NOT CHANGE so one may use it as a platform for application development. Lisp solves a well-specified set of problems - ensuring that your algol reproducibly builds is not one of them.
gabriel_laddel: As for why a lisper didn't write his own OS from ASM? Well, you've read Stan's blog.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1368871 << this makes roughly as much sense as 'cobol in lisp'☝︎
assbot: Logged on 13-01-2016 00:55:42; mircea_popescu: "opengl implemented in lisp"
asciilifeform: yes, you could.
asciilifeform: but WHY?!!
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asciilifeform: and opengl is a heathen thing anyway, because there is no documented gpu.
phf: mircea_popescu: there's a limited number of lispers and they all scratch their own itch. without centralized visions results barely compose. gabriel_laddel needs working clim for his projects. robert strandh only occasionally hacks on mcclim anymore, spends most of his time on n-th rewrite of emacs, etc. and of course there are arguments of what the components should be and how they should compose. the only common ground is the
phf: specification and some symbolics artifacts
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1368884 << no shit, the braindamaged opengl thing had not been yet conceived of then☝︎
assbot: Logged on 13-01-2016 00:57:41; mircea_popescu: that wasn't opengl
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1368888 << define away. who will produce ?☝︎
assbot: Logged on 13-01-2016 00:59:45; mircea_popescu: incidentally if things are this fucked up, the correct avenue would probably be to define a full gfx stack
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1368893 << this is demonstrably false, and wtf, 'power rangers', smbx had a 100% lispified 3d accelerator in the '80s.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 13-01-2016 01:01:16; mircea_popescu: the lisp power rangers failed to lead the wave in implementing opengl correctly twenty years ago
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1368898 << lisp in '95-05 is roughly where ru was in '90s - laments and vodka☝︎
assbot: Logged on 13-01-2016 01:04:05; mircea_popescu: what, all through 1995 - 2005 everyone "in lisp" sat around on their ass passing back and forth stories of how cool moon was in the 70s and how great gabriel's hairdo looks ?
asciilifeform: and could not have been anything else
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1368904 << is the concept of impedance-mismatch-with-os unclear to mircea_popescu ?☝︎
assbot: Logged on 13-01-2016 01:07:02; mircea_popescu: meanwhile... there is an implementation of particularly gnarly in c, but not in lisp.
asciilifeform: do i have to chew it into small pieces ?
gabriel_laddel: Please, for the 100th time, go right on ahead.
gabriel_laddel: Why, stan, are threads a bad idea?
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1368906 << forget gpu, there is not a usefully lispified driver for ANYTHING ELSE in x86 hardware ! and for reasons that have to do with how the idiot architecture is built (can i haz atomic lisp operation? no, because interrupts on x86. i wasted most of a decade on this)☝︎
assbot: Logged on 13-01-2016 01:07:28; mircea_popescu: and nobody seems to rub the lispers' face in this, either. what, there's some sort of chivalrous convention i don't know about going on ?
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1368908 << 'give si fab and then we talk'☝︎
assbot: Logged on 13-01-2016 01:08:37; mircea_popescu: "take your propeller-hat, your paranthesis and your spielhosen away from here and come back when you have a fully native gfx stack."
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1368919 << because there is no standard hardware platform.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 13-01-2016 01:14:54; gabriel_laddel: No lisper to date has produced a distro that DOES NOT CHANGE so one may use it as a platform for application development. Lisp solves a well-specified set of problems - ensuring that your algol reproducibly builds is not one of them.
asciilifeform: and no sign of such a thing being buildable
asciilifeform just notices:
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1368925 << !!☝︎
assbot: Logged on 13-01-2016 01:18:12; mircea_popescu: !rate chetty 10 No longer with us, and not replaceable.
asciilifeform takes off hat
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1368944 << i'll leave it to gabriel_laddel, adlai, et al, i've not the time or energy.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 13-01-2016 01:23:53; gabriel_laddel: Please, for the 100th time, go right on ahead.
phf: here's an s-graphics made animation instead https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdTGJChDKrM
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asciilifeform: phf: more famous: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bTqWsVqyzE
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asciilifeform: ^ and those swarms were properly computed, even
asciilifeform patiently waits for mircea_popescu post concerning http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1368925☝︎
assbot: Logged on 13-01-2016 01:18:12; mircea_popescu: !rate chetty 10 No longer with us, and not replaceable.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell kakobrekla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2016#1368380 << makes sense, i suspected this☝︎
assbot: Logged on 12-01-2016 18:41:01; kakobrekla: ;;later tell asciilifeform http://dpaste.com/155WRJA.txt
gribble: The operation succeeded.
kakobrekla: aha
mod6: ;;later tell pete_dushenski hey, got your msg. hit me up when you're around.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mod6: asciilifeform takes off hat << oh no!
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kakobrekla: she will be missed
mod6: indeed
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mircea_popescu: thanks.
BingoBoingo just successfully debuged clock-radio
BingoBoingo: turns out it was too close to transformer
BingoBoingo: In lighter news https://i.imgur.com/1k6zUyn.png
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pete_dushenski: if that's light i dun wanna be heavy
BingoBoingo: lol pete_dushenski
pete_dushenski: anyone else sombrely, slowly reading through http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-01-12.log.html#t12:05:36 with (perhaps not so) strange solemnity ?
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pete_dushenski: rip chetty.
pete_dushenski: i guess the strange part is how unusual a window into the last few hours and minutes of a (really rather exceptional) human life it is, and how you'd never know unless you knew.
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2016#1368046 << writing's on the wall. has been for a while, i suppose. http://www.contravex.com/2015/04/05/yknow-that-post-industrial-service-economy-thing-ya-its-just-another-shitty-command-economy/☝︎
assbot: Logged on 12-01-2016 13:36:21; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2016#1367861 << heh welcome to post-industrial society.
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pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2016#1368633 << i'm with kako. seems pretty unambiguous. what bc.i lists is what determines the outcome of https://bitbet.us/bet/1217/bitcoin-main-net-block-size-to-increase-before/☝︎
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pete_dushenski: fwiw
pete_dushenski: ;;ticker
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pete_dushenski: apparently usb drives still come formatted in 'fat' which doesn't seem to like files >12gb, apparently.
pete_dushenski: apparently !
pete_dushenski: 'journaled' seems to be the ticket.
pete_dushenski: can't say i've ever had to reformat a usb drive for that...
pete_dushenski: before the blockchain, that is
pete_dushenski: is there nothing bitcoin doesn't disrupt ?
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-11-2015#1334322 << i did it again, didn't i... fuckin eh...☝︎
assbot: Logged on 30-11-2015 23:20:22; mircea_popescu: alternatively, all women are the same woman, eh pete_dushenski ?
pete_dushenski: oh, i see what happened now. nvm me...
pete_dushenski: https://bitbet.us/bet/1240/cardano-to-ship-before-xmas-2016/ << heh
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BingoBoingo is thankful St Louis finally got forked off of the NFL chain so we can be done with the Inglewood rams.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: How much longer do you plan to be awake?
pete_dushenski: maybe an hour
BingoBoingo: Ah
BingoBoingo searching for an ulbricht appeal pdf that isn't locked into scribd
BingoBoingo: scribd breaks my gas mask
pete_dushenski: "Let me start with the economy, and a basic fact: the United States of America, right now, has the strongest, most durable economy in the world. We’re in the middle of the longest streak of private-sector job creation in history."
pete_dushenski: " The United States of America is the most powerful nation on Earth. Period. It’s not even close. We spend more on our military than the next eight nations combined."
copypaste: North Korea has the most powerful economy and army in the World, as measured by The People's Bureau of Statistics of North Korea.
copypaste: yawn
copypaste: "X is the best according to X"
copypaste: And now you realize that the speeches of American presidents are now informercials
pete_dushenski: "and since no one else spent usdollars, we spent the most usdollars! combined!"
pete_dushenski: (all but last quote via, yes, bahamas)
copypaste: I could tell without an attribution, it has his typical bravado backed by nothing
pete_dushenski: you know your muppets
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BingoBoingo: ty goes to pete_dushenski for gopping places my gas mask clog
pete_dushenski: i might not kill enough people around here, but i know how to handle myself in harsh environments
BingoBoingo: Diaper duty will do that I am told
pete_dushenski: quite so
BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2016/01/two-us-navy-boats-and-ten-sailors-in-iranian-custody/#comment-39002
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pete_dushenski: is it just me or does joseph biden look an awful lot like karl lagerfeld with those high white dress shirt collars ? eg. http://www.contravex.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Joe-Biden-or-Karl-Lagerfeld-.png
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1J2cyRi )
davout: pete_dushenski: there definitely is something
pete_dushenski: must be the angle
pete_dushenski: or that biden's 8 years older than the first time i saw him, that much closer to the senior mr. l
pete_dushenski on to the next one
adlai: ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://dpaste.com/1F65SGC.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZsE95s )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
adlai expresses solidarity in grief for a woman he never knew; "Poo-tee-weet?"
adlai: ;;later tell gabriel_laddel http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1368945 << if you have to ask, you've never https://archive.is/n0n34☝︎
assbot: Logged on 13-01-2016 01:24:02; gabriel_laddel: Why, stan, are threads a bad idea?
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gribble: The operation succeeded.
adlai helps the literately-challenged members of the audience: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/e3/e5/9e/e3e59e8e78957abcda2a7de317c8582f.jpg (now go read the remaining #'butlast pages, it's but a shingle shitting's worth)
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adlai: what's cryptsy?
copypaste: Cryptsy is an exchange where you can trade real Bitcoins (and Pushcoins) for virtually any shitty coin imaginable, even those with no running clients.
copypaste: For example, Litecoins, "Stellar", Ethereum, and so on, but even far less known scams like "007coin" and "Aidencoin".
copypaste: In fact, I just added it up ( $('#leftbtclist>li').size() ) - you can trade 266 shitcoins on Cryptsy.
copypaste: Or at least in theory you could, before they "paused" everything a few hours ago.
adlai: !s sarchasm
assbot: 1 results for 'sarchasm' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=sarchasm
copypaste: hehehe
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adlai suddenly remembers MPExists, changes opinion re:tradespam, goes back to work
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jurov: sad news. but what a life!
jurov: and a lesson for me - i missed my best chance to meet chetty by being a wussie and not going a day sooner
jurov: (i went by train so no big deal)
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copypaste: ;;nethash
gribble: 886939250.494
jurov: ;;later tell davout maybe i'm blind but where's paymium api, like vwap?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
jurov: advance.paymium.com does make recognizable calls like https://paymium.com//api/v1/data/eur/ticker but it's not clear whether it's daily vwap
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZkdemU )
jurov: And since I want to make an agreement with customers based on paymium price (instead of some wannabe indexes),
jurov: i'd like to see some public presentation of vwap for noobs, too, best with daily or hourly snapshot shown.
davout: jurov: vwap is 24h
davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369075 <<< not exactly sure what you mean☝︎
assbot: Logged on 13-01-2016 11:02:15; jurov: i'd like to see some public presentation of vwap for noobs, too, best with daily or hourly snapshot shown.
jurov: when i will derive my price from paymium, is it possible to check that yesterday vwap was such and such?
davout: we don't archive it
davout: i'm busy integrating a brand new matching engine in our system, so that's the kind of feedback that's interesting for me
jurov: it would be very useful, thanks.
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mircea_popescu: ;;later tell pete_dushenski that's nice to know. thanks pete.
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mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1368941 << you'll have to bear with me, my hair is pointy and my comprehension ponderous.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 13-01-2016 01:22:45; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1368904 << is the concept of impedance-mismatch-with-os unclear to mircea_popescu ?
mircea_popescu: but you should both document that lost decade and provide pointers to check what others did against it.
davout: no more crypto for french hardware -> http://www.assemblee-nationale.fr/14/amendements/3318/CION_LOIS/CL92.asp
assbot: Assemblée nationale ~ RÉPUBLIQUE NUMÉRIQUE(no 3318) - Amendement no 92 ... ( http://bit.ly/22Z6gZc )
davout: "Les constructeurs de matériel doivent prendre en compte dans leurs constructions la nécessité de donner aux forces de l’ordre, dans le cadre d’une enquête judiciaire et après autorisation d’un juge, l’accès aux matériels."
mircea_popescu: there is such a thing as french hardware ?!
davout: some women make my wares hard
mircea_popescu: lol
davout: and sometimes it's my hard wares that use the back doors
davout: enough of this
mircea_popescu: o la la
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369017 << "i am the most powerful mobster in nycity. i pay more in shakedowns than anyone else! and this'll last, too, because it's a stable sort of situation!"☝︎
assbot: Logged on 13-01-2016 07:15:01; pete_dushenski: " The United States of America is the most powerful nation on Earth. Period. It’s not even close. We spend more on our military than the next eight nations combined."
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369091 << guess he'll have to stop pgping on that minitel console...☝︎
assbot: Logged on 13-01-2016 12:36:22; davout: no more crypto for french hardware -> http://www.assemblee-nationale.fr/14/amendements/3318/CION_LOIS/CL92.asp
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2016#1368052 << plant foreman generally works...at plant☝︎
assbot: Logged on 12-01-2016 13:49:39; mircea_popescu: why even bother with the phone after that ?
mircea_popescu: so you're spending your youth, or at least every waking hour away from your child and his mother, to do things you wouldn't use on a platform you hate ?
mircea_popescu: do they have any words for insanity in your language ?
asciilifeform exists, possibly, to make ben_vulpes look sane
mircea_popescu: not to get facile over here or anything, but let me point out to you from bitter experience that there is generally less time than one'd reasonably have thought.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369063 << ben_vulpes and i had the honour. we went for coffee, and chetty took us to a park on the outskirts of town where we fed little parrots☝︎
assbot: Logged on 13-01-2016 10:02:08; jurov: and a lesson for me - i missed my best chance to meet chetty by being a wussie and not going a day sooner
ben_vulpes: it was the most direct short on the startup market id found pre btc
mircea_popescu: i can see it ben_vulpes .
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im pretty sure jurov and chet met, i have this memory of hanging out and smoking.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369090 << i've been doing this since '07, publicly. but as mircea_popescu points out, memento mori (tm), there is little time, and i have been doing other things☝︎
assbot: Logged on 13-01-2016 12:30:08; mircea_popescu: but you should both document that lost decade and provide pointers to check what others did against it.
ben_vulpes: furthermore, it is the only cashflow positive short against the startup market.
ben_vulpes: well, *a* cashflow positive one.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2550 @ 0.00050659 = 1.2918 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform off to spend every waking hour away from anything he cares about to make things he wouldn't use on a broken platform...
mircea_popescu: enjoy!
ben_vulpes: ganbatte
mircea_popescu: "Постарайся", именно в этой форме, а не "старайся".
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell funkenstein_ http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369054 << o shit, does this mean de gig is up ?☝︎
assbot: Logged on 13-01-2016 09:04:03; copypaste: In fact, I just added it up ( $('#leftbtclist>li').size() ) - you can trade 266 shitcoins on Cryptsy.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: heh the lightly-salted bootstrap on bitcoinclassic is highly amuse
ben_vulpes: "seriously we am serious with very serious footer!"
mircea_popescu: serious (r) - i can't believe it's not seriouse!
mircea_popescu: !s seriouse
assbot: 1 results for 'seriouse' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=seriouse
mircea_popescu: hmm that's odd.
ben_vulpes: ;;seen thickasthieves
gribble: thickasthieves was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 10 weeks, 0 days, 21 hours, 47 minutes, and 18 seconds ago: <ThickAsThieves> but you da boss
ben_vulpes: the self-eulogies are funny too
ben_vulpes: ;;seen artifexd
gribble: artifexd was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 37 weeks, 6 days, 14 hours, 48 minutes, and 7 seconds ago: <artifexd> I'm comfortable calling it a review. Not just of what it is but what it was and how it got to where it is.
ben_vulpes: ;;seen ninjashogun
gribble: ninjashogun was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 9 weeks, 5 days, 6 hours, 31 minutes, and 12 seconds ago: <ninjashogun> I am only interested in building real-world businesses with real income streams, not taking bitcoin investments for something and running off iwth it. (Not referencing anyone here, this was a recent case with Moolah, for example. Or at least accusation.)
ben_vulpes: heh
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, that wasn't even the outskirts. kinda midtown, the park is two blocks down from chacarrita, the cemetery. she lived nearby. i have a place a good 6 miles further north, right on the province border. the town extends past that, arguably.
mircea_popescu: and it extends almost twice as far away from the port in the south -west than i nthe north. a town the size of a respectable country.
mircea_popescu: at least in europe, at any rate.
jurov: ;;seen chetty
gribble: chetty was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 17 weeks, 1 day, 18 hours, 55 minutes, and 18 seconds ago: <chetty> perhaps this will backlash into getting more people off windows ...nah, I dream
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369079 << you could play observer, sign and deed it. alternatively you could just archive.is, but i suspect that'll get gnarly.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 13-01-2016 11:35:57; jurov: when i will derive my price from paymium, is it possible to check that yesterday vwap was such and such?
adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369131 << http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Aindiancandy1+seri* ?☝︎
assbot: Logged on 13-01-2016 13:03:07; mircea_popescu: !s seriouse
assbot: 8 results for 'from:indiancandy1 seri*' - #bitcoin-assets search
mircea_popescu: oh darn. thx.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15400 @ 0.00050836 = 7.8287 BTC [+]
adlai would calculate p-values but 'math is hard'
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jurov: http://thehardtimes.net/2016/01/11/emerging-harsh-noise-artist-revealed-as-faulty-air-conditioning-unit/ hahaha
assbot: Emerging Harsh Noise Artist Revealed To Be Faulty Air Conditioning Unit - The Hard Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1KcX1ZW )
jurov: "However, sources indicate future Decondtioned releases remain in doubt after Packard’s father upgraded the garage air conditioner to a brand new Amana “Whisper Quiet” unit."
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ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: rip chetty?!
mircea_popescu: myeah.
ben_vulpes: alas.
jurov: mircea_popescu: chetty was on second timisoara meeting, too?
shinohai: !s http://www.v3.co.uk/v3-uk/news/2441666/blackberry-pgp-handsets-cracked-by-dutch-cyber-cops
assbot: BlackBerry PGP handsets 'cracked' by Dutch cyber cops - IT News from V3.co.uk ... ( http://bit.ly/1Rlw6mk )
assbot: 0 results for 'http://www.v3.co.uk/v3-uk/news/2441666/blackberry-pgp-handsets-cracked-by-dutch-cyber-cops' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.v3.co.uk%2Fv3-uk%2Fnews%2F2441666%2Fblackberry-pgp-handsets-cracked-by-dutch-cyber-cops
mircea_popescu: jurov im pretty sure she showed up at least for some of the stuff.
jurov: because i'm sure i have missed eulora demo (again due to later arrival)
mircea_popescu: ah
mircea_popescu: but i recall us two discussing wao, for instance.
jurov: um, that is possible
mircea_popescu: an' therefore you must've met.
mircea_popescu: "I was fired. Sometimes you find it hard just not to cry. (Said employer purged its 20% insubordinate, belligerent, ingenious, and flat-out insane employees. What remained was loyal to a fault, perfect in execution, possessed of fine silk neckties, and unemployed 18 months later when the whole company folded.)"
mircea_popescu: lol hard to not appreciate teh mazepath.
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mircea_popescu: "Al, you simply must call Althea Frutex at Glanders, Associates. I FAXed her your resume and she practically jumped through the phone with enthusiasm."
mircea_popescu: "This is Dr. Frutex. Yes, I heard about you! Tell me, how would you generate a microdispersion of sodium diaminodihydroxyarsenobenzenemethanesulfonate in a linear hydrophobic matrix synthesized below its glass transition temperature?"
mircea_popescu: "That should not be difficult. Use attrition technology developed for cobalt-cemented tungsten carbide and substitute about 10 mole-% of high molecular weight PVK to adsorb upon the micaceous platelet crystal surfaces. Thus when you add the dispersed phase to a pre-polymer syrup of about 50,000 centistokes viscosity, non-Fickian Type II diffusion will volumetrically plasticize the adsorbate preventing particle agglomer
mircea_popescu: ation."
mircea_popescu: "Why Mr. Schwartz, that is brilliant! We have no staff positions open at this time, but we will certainly try your idea."
mircea_popescu: ahahaha
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ! why is this guy not here!
mircea_popescu: WHAT IS WITH PEOPLE!
mircea_popescu: the difference between the kids of today and the kids of back when it was worth meeting new kids... s/lfkdjgkjlewrhgkerhklgj/diaminodihydroxyarsenobenzenemethanesulfonate/
mircea_popescu: guy actually knows wtf he's talking about.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8100 @ 0.00050836 = 4.1177 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18600 @ 0.00050212 = 9.3394 BTC [-] {5}
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shinohai: http://thenextweb.com/us/2016/01/13/us-intelligence-boss-james-clappers-phone-and-personal-email-were-hacked/ <<< cracka strikes again
assbot: US intelligence boss phone and personal email were hacked ... ( http://bit.ly/1SOwHfU )
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thestringpuller: asciilifeform off to spend every waking hour away from anything he cares about to make things he wouldn't use on a broken platform... << i'm going to use this to define "uranium mines" to people
thestringpuller: ;;nethash
gribble: 886485320.427
thestringpuller: ;;calc ( (416666666.667 / 1000 / 1000) / 4.6 ) * 1800
gribble: 163043.478261
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 428.76, Best ask: 428.95, Bid-ask spread: 0.19000, Last trade: 428.95, 24 hour volume: 40576.26464751, 24 hour low: 416.0, 24 hour high: 448.1, 24 hour vwap: None
thestringpuller: ;;calc 163043.478261 / 428.76
gribble: 380.267464924
thestringpuller: ^- estimated btc for 0.5% of hashpower
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11090 @ 0.00050836 = 5.6377 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: however it looks like no new miner could break even at current prices. (Break even in: infinity days)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3100 @ 0.00050836 = 1.5759 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: retail is for suckers.
mircea_popescu: "The scientist who receives a percentage of the profits - a percentage of the gross! - generated by his own work has yet to be born, hired, or envisioned (ecept as the punchline of a joke)." << heh, alf's been making 70% of the gross for years now.
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_butugychag
ascii_butugychag: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369206 << l0l, he did say 'as the punchline..' !11☝︎
assbot: Logged on 13-01-2016 16:09:36; mircea_popescu: "The scientist who receives a percentage of the profits - a percentage of the gross! - generated by his own work has yet to be born, hired, or envisioned (ecept as the punchline of a joke)." << heh, alf's been making 70% of the gross for years now.
mircea_popescu: ...
mircea_popescu: you'll have to decide if you want those salesmen networking or not.
mircea_popescu: what's with all these confused broads posing for dating site profile pics WITH THEIR MOTHER.
mircea_popescu: insufficiently humiliated girlhood births monsters.
ascii_butugychag: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369182 << he eventually wrote back, promised to generate pgp key, when finds the time...☝︎
assbot: Logged on 13-01-2016 14:02:14; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ! why is this guy not here!
ascii_butugychag: i think he took a look at the logs and was not able to readily distinguish us from the chirp of the frogs.
ascii_butugychag: a problem i had when first showed up, like, i suspect, many folk
mircea_popescu: i guess so, huh.
ascii_butugychag: as, possibly, taleb, et al
mircea_popescu: "this, too, shall pass."
ascii_butugychag: old timers are especially allergic to real-time anything
ascii_butugychag: i was sorta on the cusp of this.
mircea_popescu: "Uncle Al's next first job, four years later, was industrial. Uncle Al was to isolate kerogen (the "not anything like oil") in Colorado oil shale (a calcareous marlstone, not shale). Low rank coal organics are like cured epoxy. They ain't comin' out. The literature was rife with researchers who tortured oil shale then sang like vultures about presumed stuff extracted. Uncle Al dissolved the rock to leave the kerogen. (
mircea_popescu: "Orthogonal reactivity" to folks in lab coats, "idiot idea" to idiots in suits.) It was his first Personnel file Pink sheet! He wasn't supposed to succeed."
mircea_popescu: reads like the fucking soviets.
mircea_popescu: this isn't really real-time. this is "alligned apperture time".
mircea_popescu: or rather, allignable.
ascii_butugychag: and yes, it shall pass, and with it shall pass the last folks who know how to generate a microdispersion of sodium diaminodihydroxyarsenobenzenemethanesulfonate...
mircea_popescu: "The next first job was creating ophthalmic implants. How is a 5 micron diameter hole drilled through 500 microns of implantable Plexiglas contact lens? It isn't. Nothing can drill such a 100:1 aspect ratio hole. Uncle Al put about 500 7 micron diameter holes through a foot-long Plexiglas rod, the long way, and said "dice it." Holes are a stuff problem, science: vacuum cast glass wool in plastic, dice, then dissolve ou
mircea_popescu: t with aqueous NH4HF2. Engineering diddles things: computers, excimer lasers, and business lunches. It was a Pink solution."
mircea_popescu: ok this is what sheer genius is.
mircea_popescu: "turn the fucking spoon around, idjits"
ascii_butugychag: its straight out of altshuller's book
ascii_butugychag: i once sent al a scan, he appreciated.
ascii_butugychag: !s suddenly the inventor
assbot: 5 results for 'suddenly the inventor' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=suddenly+the+inventor
ascii_butugychag: thing had whole chapter on inversions
mircea_popescu: inversion being possibly the most important intellectual activity.
mircea_popescu: half the time when someone talking to me here suddenly gets that sinking feeling in his gut and rug flies out from under feet, what had just happened was precisely an inversion.
mircea_popescu: the other possibly most important intellectual activity is ironically ALSO displayed in the piece : classification
mircea_popescu: "this is a that. that is a this. stop mixing this and that idjits!"
ascii_butugychag: 'suddenly the inventor appeared' is the only actually worthwhile book on heuristics i know of.
ascii_butugychag: i was given it as a small child
mircea_popescu: having run some math... i suspect he is actually correct in the absolute. ie, nothing can for physical reasons drill 5 micron holes in half micrometer lens.
mircea_popescu: make it a few mm squared and you can etch, yes. but...
ascii_butugychag: this is well-known
ascii_butugychag: which is why, e.g., syringe needles, are drawn
mircea_popescu: well im not in fine mfging what can i sya
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mircea_popescu: Do opposite shoes vacuum free fall nonidentically? << they do, actually.
mircea_popescu: difference in angular gravitational momentum
mircea_popescu: i suppose by "vacuum" one might mean "in the book universe where mass exists in points etc".
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_butugychag
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: this was the eotvos thing
ascii_butugychag: !s eotvos
assbot: 21 results for 'eotvos' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=eotvos
mircea_popescu: meanwhile i noticed the image aha
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BingoBoingo: <copypaste> Cryptsy just published a notice that it's been hacked on all pages https://archive.is/hxGqy << Scammer's don't get to pick their narrative
assbot: Cryptsy - Trade Home ... ( http://bit.ly/1Oqol8X )
mircea_popescu: "Economists do the economy as psychologists do the mind. A watershed of data is statistically manipulated. Miserably intricate deeply parameterized speculative theory is fit to data, protected from criticism by complexity. Extrapolations are made. Official predictions are absurd versus observed reality. Economists scream "heteroskedasticity!" and demand multi-$trillion Federal bailouts. Psychologists disdain irrelevanc
mircea_popescu: e in a discipline that is self-defined relevant."
mircea_popescu: myeah. the "global warming" bullshit is merely the more visible application of an otherwise historical pseudoscientific process
mircea_popescu: !up paparazzi
paparazzi: hello
paparazzi: !up
thestringpuller: !gettrust paparazzi
assbot: paparazzi is not registered in WoT.
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ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: arguably same process as lysenko
paparazzi: I am still confused
ascii_butugychag: (and not, as often supposed, medieval theology - as it did not have totalitarian apparatus attached)
mircea_popescu: hardly. lysenko had... passion. these twerps just talk about it.
ascii_butugychag: the 1960s enviro-whiners who started the current wave, also had 'passion'
mircea_popescu: incidentally, anyone saw "the witches of eastwick" ? yet another of nicholson's signature porn stuff.
ascii_butugychag: modern enforcers do not, and need not
mircea_popescu: the man started in "the raven" and has been doing the same thing ever since : playing the devilishly dangerous lone male in a world of boring, twaddled middle aged women.
mircea_popescu: goes nicely with the valium for the worthless female subculture of the 80s. sort-of like stoner movies, for a different holstein.
trinque: paparazzi: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets
assbot: first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1J73Z7o )
mircea_popescu: "Thermodynamics proposes, kinetics disposes." ahahaha lovely put.
ascii_butugychag: 'first ecstacy - then laundry.' -- also al
mircea_popescu: nah that's much older.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, you read this bit with the crystals ? behold!
mircea_popescu: "Memory cannot be found because it is not localized, nor does it exist as such. One felicitous memory model is the amorphous glassy metal alloy Ce3Al. Melt-spun alloy passes all local and global tests (HRTEM, ED, XRD, 2D XRD) for random order. Load a diamond anvil cell with a 50x40x15 micron3 sample. At 3,539,000 psi it remains amorphous. At 3,626,000 psi it is a single crystal. Science 332(6036) 1404 (2011), "Long-ran
mircea_popescu: ge topological order in metallic glasses."
mircea_popescu: Devitrifying a glass into crystals is wholly unremarkable. Given the opportunity, solids will descend into their lowest energy state at equilibrium - a crystal. This offers large families of glass-ceramic wonder materials, plus sporadic glassblower loud profanity. That glasses exist at all is also unremarkable. Thermodynamics proposes, kinetics disposes. The problem is scale.
mircea_popescu: Atomic bonding does its thing at a scale of angstrom lengths. A 50x40x15 micron sample is (5x105)x(4x105)x(1.5x105) angstroms3 or 3x1016 Å3. How does random structure spontaneously quickly order in a discontinuous transition to sharp diffraction lines (XRD) and spots (2D XRD), with such mammoth amplification? There is no global information! Thermal devitrification at 200°C affords a hexagonal symmetry finely polycrys
mircea_popescu: talline product not a face-centered cubic single crystal.
mircea_popescu: The noise that was observed as random structure was not itself random. It contained topological order, a universal scale-free recipe for fitting together. Supercomputer simulation of 24,000 cerium atoms plus 8000 aluminum atoms with or without the topological footnote added is enlightening. Plot respective structure factors against the reciprocal space vector for each case. The curves are identical! Where is the inform
mircea_popescu: ation? It is everywhere, but in no particular place."
mircea_popescu: methinks the real meta-nsa might well be santa claus1
mircea_popescu: have you been good alfie ?
ascii_butugychag: horrid
mircea_popescu: well...
ascii_butugychag: !s roboclaus
assbot: 0 results for 'roboclaus' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=roboclaus
ascii_butugychag: ;;google roboclaus
gribble: Mrazek shows off RoboClaus, Howard rocks 'ugly sweater' on great ...: <http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/mrazek-shows-off-roboclaus-howard-rocks-ugly-sweater-on-great-holiday-masks/>; Robo Claus - Thomas Radcliffe: <http://tomradcliffeart.com/130031/1287869/portfolio/robo-claus>; Robot Santa Claus - Futurama Wiki - Wikia: <http://futurama.wikia.com/wiki/Robot_Santa_Claus>
mircea_popescu: honestly, i always suspected randomness is not merely "not a property of numbers", but altogether not a thing.
mircea_popescu: this is the view say danielpbarron would be held to hold anyway.
ascii_butugychag: it is a thing in the sense that 'enemy' is a thing
mircea_popescu: and no further sense than that.
ascii_butugychag: fortunately we don't need the other senses for anything
ascii_butugychag: at least ~i~ don't
mircea_popescu: whoever sits closer to the rng in the sky prints all the money.
mircea_popescu: at any rate this has been in fact the history of life on earth to date.
mircea_popescu: "a universal scale-free recipe for fitting together" << and yet he hates obama.
ascii_butugychag: l0l
mircea_popescu: obviously, not altogether for the reasons the idiots who are incapable to love anything like to pretend those who could love don't.
ascii_butugychag: http://tryacl2.org << unrelated, but very nifty.
ascii_butugychag: ben_vulpes, adlai, phf, gabriel_laddel, et al ^
mircea_popescu: takes 4eva to load
ascii_butugychag: i think it just now choked
ascii_butugychag: damn.
ascii_butugychag: my 'midas touch'...
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_butugychag
ascii_butugychag: apparently amd actually started proving their alu with acl2, in reaction to the intel fdiv scandal
ascii_butugychag: back in the day.
mircea_popescu: yup
ascii_butugychag: (note that the proofs don't need to be about a commonlisp program per se, but anything that can be expressed as one)
mircea_popescu: "Genrich Altshuller, TRIZ, And Suddenly the Inventor Appeared. Orthodoxy excludes discovery. Heterodox observation falsifies assumed knowledge. Validation studies are bottle washing and button sorting. All discovery is insubordination. Management exists to kill the future, for the only trusted employee is one whose sole marketable asset is loyalty." << o look even mentions him.
mircea_popescu: but the management dig is, if perhaps justified by personal experience, nevertheless on the level of "all men are pigs".
mircea_popescu: what does it say of you, that only pigs wish to sleep with you ?
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mircea_popescu: "Hippies' marijuana and hallucinogens had interesting outputs; slums' opiates, crack, and crystal meth less so." << yeah, because you apriorily decided you wish to fuck a hippie chick not a filipina brothel slave. that's all.
ascii_butugychag: what's she output?
mircea_popescu: moans. just like the other.
ascii_butugychag: the other outputs also other things
mircea_popescu: not so.
ascii_butugychag: theorems
ascii_butugychag: etc
mircea_popescu: name a hippie theoremist.
ascii_butugychag: or what, this only happens on my planet
mircea_popescu: what, we're going to have a franklin vs baez dispute now ?
ascii_butugychag: i can't name a philipina moanist, either..
mircea_popescu: yes, you can, because you've seen her in jackie brown.
ascii_butugychag hasn't
mircea_popescu: what do you think pam grier did with her youth, pre tarantino travolting her career ?
ascii_butugychag recognized only one name in this sentence, tarantino
mircea_popescu: oh, not seen the big bird cage either ?
ascii_butugychag: nope
mircea_popescu: yes. well...
ascii_butugychag: hard to do, at the bottom of a mine shaft
mircea_popescu: how about "women in cages" ? guy ended up obsessed with the closing shot
ascii_butugychag: nein
mircea_popescu: well, they're 10 cents a pop since teh torrents, seeing how they weren't made by dosney.
phf: my condolences, mp
mircea_popescu: thanks.
mircea_popescu: cancer taking the first bite off the lordship list, more fodder for the list of things no one could have predicted.
thestringpuller: !up ascii_butugychag
ascii_butugychag vaguely recalls an obituaty of some #b-a old-timer in... 2012 ?
ascii_butugychag: *obituary
ascii_butugychag: somebody from the old era
BingoBoingo: First woman on the internet's already gone, to cancer of all things.
ascii_butugychag: what just happened ?
BingoBoingo: !up X16a
BingoBoingo: No idea. buch of K-lines
copypaste: ascii_butugychag: looks like some IRCop accidentally K-lined all of IRCCloud
copypaste: Which is a web service that allows people to connect to IRC, similar to CGI:IRC and qwebirc
copypaste: But IRCCloud comes with USG spying and allows you to idle.
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mats: copypaste: yes but did you see irccloud evade my kline?
mats: i didn't expect my client to do that.
copypaste: mats: I'm of the opinion that any service that offers to idle on IRC for you exists for the sole purpose of spying on you
copypaste: And in the case of IRCCloud, is probably a USG front. So of course connecting at all costs is important.
copypaste: (It's also possible that the IRCop made a mistake and removed the KLine.)
mats: irc surveillance is very low on my list of priorities
copypaste: What's low on your list of priorities is probably high on your government's
mats: good
adlai: freenode exists for the purpose of spying, what more do you need?
copypaste: ^
mats: I hope the agents will enjoy reading years of trolling and arguments about trivial shit
adlai: "if it's not encrypted, it's public" is an excellent way to treat anything (even off the internet)
copypaste: Well, if that's all you do on IRC you're using it wrong
copypaste: I've conducted deals worth tens of thousands of dollars on IRC
copypaste: So speak for yourself.
mats: I mostly use it to connect to freenode graybeards
adlai: copypaste: do you also sell btc while waiting in line at starbucks?
copypaste: hahaha, no. I don't drink that crap.
adlai: or maybe at least get a table
copypaste: I imagine most of us conduct or have conducted business on IRC
adlai: !s dpaste.org
assbot: 0 results for 'dpaste.org' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=dpaste.org
mats: can pass gpg messages, sir
adlai apparently can't, oh well
mats: like folks do, with dpaste
adlai: if you're worried about metadata, encrypt your trolling or start a shill or two, it pays for itself in elizatherapy
phf: irc messages go over a loose knit federated system that's entirely outside of your control. even if you do dcc it's plaintext on the wire
phf: copypaste: the fact that your "tens of thousands of dollars" deals have not been compromised is entirely due to "uncatchable joe" factor. is russian joke, "this there is uncatchable joe. -- woah, nobody can catch him? -- no, nobody cares to"
copypaste: phf: :D
copypaste: O
copypaste: I'm not saying they were illegal, was just demonstrating that IRC isn't just for trolling
shinohai: ;;later tell BingoBoingo #VanillaISIS goes actual ISIS: http://www.rawstory.com/2016/01/isis-supporter-joins-ammon-bundys-armed-occupation-as-resident-computer-expert/
assbot: ISIS supporter joins Ammon Bundy’s armed occupation as resident computer expert ... ( http://bit.ly/22ZRB01 )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
adlai: shinohai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=18-12-2015#1346910☝︎
assbot: Logged on 18-12-2015 22:48:39; BingoBoingo: ;;later tell adlai too late. If you want a beat you can't just mention diff increase in chan without dropping an encrypted dpaste full of qntra submission.
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thestringpuller: !up Quent
Quent: thanks - looks like la serene republic finds itself between a rock and a hard place
Quent: 2mb fork one one hand SW on the other
thestringpuller: you can always choose C. the world isn't necessarily always binary.
Quent: will you go for cover which allows you independence? or visibility which means certain invasion?
thestringpuller: this is all in the logs.
Quent: it is very binary unfortunately, in this space anyway
Quent: you see what theymos is doing - you see what centralisation does
Quent: all that applies to the real world...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14300 @ 0.00050004 = 7.1506 BTC [+] {3}
thestringpuller: Theymos is a known scammer.
thestringpuller: !gettrust assbot theymos
assbot: Trust relationship from user assbot to user theymos: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -1 via 1 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=theymos | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/theymos/
Quent: my point is the masters of real world can bring their hammer down
Quent: if we dont play smart
Quent: they did it to 3-gol or whatever it was
Quent: e-gold*
Quent: you kids can say your shit in your corners
thestringpuller: !gettrust Quent
assbot: Quent is not registered in WoT.
Quent: but without the grown ups covering your shit......
Quent: you become exposed
thestringpuller: you aren't even in WoT
Quent: that's what some are agitating for
Quent: and provoking
Quent: they want the, from the masses view, extrimists to prevail...
Quent: so that the whole thing can be dismissed
Quent: we offer cover for your little corner
Quent: thats realism kids
thestringpuller: okay how about you lurk some more >> http://trilema.com/2014/interacting-with-fiat-institutions-a-guide/ when you do come back and discuss
Quent: nah, I've said too much already
Quent: your choice
Quent: oh... well... you hardly have a choice to make lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8760 @ 0.00049812 = 4.3635 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6640 @ 0.00049626 = 3.2952 BTC [-]
trinque: "that's what 'some' are"
trinque: "I've said too much"
trinque: wtf is this, an action movie?
trinque: Quent: why did the masters of the universe permit you to divulge such privileged information?
trinque: WHO SENT YOU. WHOOOO
Quent: lmao
Quent: good to see the paranoid head pops up first ahaha
Quent: omg he *could* be an alien ahaha
Quent: anyway
Quent: I have a suggestion
Quent: how about you guys stay out of this?
Quent: you in between a rock and a hardplace
Quent: no choice you can make is good
Quent: so...
trinque: !down Quent
shinohai: da fuq? lol
shinohai: yess sah massa Quentin, we gon' stay out of it.
thestringpuller: guy is worse than mr. spam.
shinohai: Heh France. And he comes asking #b-a to surrender .....
thestringpuller: I'm actually in favor of them attempting a hard fork cause it provides war profiteering opportunities.
shinohai: ^
thestringpuller: then the guy goes off in PM how trinque censored him, when literally none of the lines he said had any value. it's like a hobo wandering in talking craziness...
shinohai: Must be e reddit person if he cries censorship. Those are the only ppl I know that do.
trinque: "just wants to" feel important
thestringpuller: that's how jgarzik amounted to not much at all. at least at red hat he was doing _something_
thestringpuller: now all he does is posts on twitter and jumps from startup to startup
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BingoBoingo: !up ThomasV
jurov: accept the unspecified protection of our nebulous entity or else!
jurov: ummm... between cock and hard place
BingoBoingo: What was that trilema about the cock eating rock?
shinohai: ;;gettrust lrvick
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user shinohai to user lrvick: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=shinohai&dest=lrvick | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=lrvick | Rated since: Mon Jun 27 14:19:15 2011
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BingoBoingo: ;;later tell mircea_popescu ^ winning
gribble: The operation succeeded.
hdbuck: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=195.msg1613#msg1613
assbot: Transactions and Scripts: DUP HASH160 ... EQUALVERIFY CHECKSIG ... ( http://bit.ly/201aTzK )
hdbuck: for the records.
mircea_popescu: hdbuck aha.
mircea_popescu: but this was back before.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369354 << who was this ?☝︎
assbot: Logged on 13-01-2016 18:00:55; ascii_butugychag: somebody from the old era
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369382 << standard here seems to be dpaste, actually.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 13-01-2016 19:00:44; copypaste: I imagine most of us conduct or have conducted business on IRC
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369389 << this is both why this channel is logged publicly and why the whole "oh herp derp published logs are unexpected" bloviation of EVERY OTHER irc channel is so funny.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 13-01-2016 19:05:14; phf: irc messages go over a loose knit federated system that's entirely outside of your control. even if you do dcc it's plaintext on the wire
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369395 << wtf is this, for alfie, with love ? :D☝︎
assbot: Logged on 13-01-2016 19:19:54; assbot: ISIS supporter joins Ammon Bundy’s armed occupation as resident computer expert ... ( http://bit.ly/22ZRB01 )
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller wouldja stop upping this quent derp already. it's like reading vexual-on-stupid-drugs.
thestringpuller: yea. my b. i'm too nice.
mircea_popescu: dat feeling when random idiot used to derp in trilema comments FIVE YEARS AGO comes back. same ip. same derpage. time stood still.
mircea_popescu: how do they do this ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369468 << lol. all paper deal, too, i bet.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 13-01-2016 22:38:14; deedbot-: [Qntra] Coindesk Acquired By Silbert Group - http://qntra.net/2016/01/coindesk-acquired-by-silbert-group/
mircea_popescu: hey "coinbase" - most LOSERS manage a better acquihire after FIVE YEARS. grow beards already, start entertaining at the metro let out.
mircea_popescu: so hanbot is working out. she's on one of those balls. i go "hey... silbert picks up coinbase in all-paper acquihire". she starts laughing. she can't stop laughing. eventually she lets out "that entire work-out... just warm-up for this laugh."
kakobrekla: you mean coindesk