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mircea_popescu: shinohai try mod6 for camping, who knows.
shinohai takes mod6 camping, gets neg trust rating.
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mats: http://www.thenewamerican.com/economy/markets/item/21490-communist-china-dumps-us-debt-amid-economic-turmoil
assbot: Communist China Dumps U.S. Debt Amid Economic Turmoil ... ( http://bit.ly/1NYUBTv )
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mircea_popescu: lol communist
mircea_popescu: the us are the communists.
mircea_popescu: "the dictatorship ruling mainland China"
mircea_popescu: ahahaha wouldn't they like to "bring democracy" to china too ☟︎
mircea_popescu: lmao.
mircea_popescu: anyway, they're barely selling 5%
mircea_popescu: anyway, lulzy.
mircea_popescu has redominated all his real estate leases throughout the world into usd during the past ~year, so this should be fun indeed.
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mircea_popescu: (my own interpretation of reality being that china has decided there is no need of a us in the future, which would be implemented through a slow divestment so as to extract the maximal value possible out of their holdings. now that they've actually moved on it, they're not going to change course. which means 2010s are the last decade for the us.)
mats: we shall see
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mats: i rather like living in the US northeast and would like to put off my migration into cn for as long as possible
mats: mebbe i could move back to san jose and hope it survives as meta-cn
mod6: shinohai takes mod6 camping, gets neg trust rating. << haha, wat?
mod6: i only like camping in the desert or in the west in general. "back east" sucks, too humid.
mod6: mircea_popescu can scarcely believe all the ustards have to talk about is whether men sit like this or like that << ikr! i heard some lawyer say to another lawyer on the train, "mind your man spread bro". ☟︎
mircea_popescu: to be noted, of course, that this "if you're poor enough to need to use our mnass transit, here is how you must sit" nonsense follows twenty-thirty years of "oh using cars is bad for the environment, when mass transit is just as good"
mircea_popescu: all the schmucks that BOUGHT INTO that now get this.
mircea_popescu: and that's exactly how govt ploys work, ever since forever. in all cases.
mod6: yah, it's insane.
mircea_popescu: be it rhodesia or http://trilema.com/2010/guvernul-de-alba-neagra/
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mircea_popescu: be it anything and everything.
mircea_popescu: 1st it's all about "why will you use something you control instead of something we control ? it's cheaper! environment! racism!" ☟︎
mircea_popescu: then it's "since you need us, here's what you must do".
mircea_popescu: well how about fuck that. no "bigger blocks", no mass transit, no government anything. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: and if in facvt it is cheaper, that's only proof the government is taking in too much tax.
mircea_popescu: "here's your flier advertising cheaper mass transit in lieu of taxes this year. fuck off."
mircea_popescu: somehow nobody ever thought to ask the self-proclaimed "bitcoin businesses" that nevertheless have 0 bitcoin income signing whatever ridicuolous proclamation HOW DO TYHEY INTEND TO PAY FOR IT.
mod6: the fact that the one guy didn't outright say to the other "fuck you." is totally limpdick pansy-ass bullshit.
mircea_popescu: how is coinbase going to pay for big blocks. more tax money ? more fees ? what ?
trinque: mod6: stop mansplaining your manspreading, bro
shinohai: Simple, GAvin says merchants will mine to help pay tx fees.
mircea_popescu: shinohai wioth money from whom ?
shinohai: *bigger blocks
shinohai: That's what *I* would like to know.
mircea_popescu: mod6 fuck you maybe not the proper form, but "i want those season tickets back and after you've dropped them off do not say hi to me anymore."
mod6: if some vagina on the train told me to "watch my man spreding, i'd be like. ``fuck off, dickhead''" it's the only reasonable response you hvae left any more.
mircea_popescu: mod6 amusingly enough, the itnernal logic of all this is that sitting lkike a man IS A BEHAVIOUR, see. up to you. whereas being fat like a woman is NOT to the same degree a behaviour. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: which is to say, yes she's fat because she won't stop eating junk
mircea_popescu: but no she's not fat RIGHT NOW because of that.
mircea_popescu: as orwell pointed out, stupid regulations always favour cockroaches.
mircea_popescu: so instead of steel bars limiting access to subway to only people that can fit through
mircea_popescu: because that's how far apart the seats are,
mircea_popescu: you get this sort of nonsense.
mod6: i think that's next, bars between seats. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: maybe cages
mircea_popescu: fedex all the people!
mod6: they have these bus benches with them now. partly so you can't encroach on someone else, and partly to keep bums from sleeping on them.
mircea_popescu: it works for cats, right ? so there is even science behind it!
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> fedex all the people! << haha
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mod6: speaking of fat people. when I was at the statefair on monday, there was some time-dialation from the sheer increase to like 29 Solar Masses.
mod6: it was crazy
mod6: im actually like 293 years old now, i just look like im 35.
mircea_popescu: lmao
trinque: mod6: don't get that close to Gargantua
mod6: ^
mod6 laughs
mircea_popescu: "us democracy has provedly brought the absolute worst solutions to all conceivable problems for the past 50 years. why would anyone not want it in their country!"
mircea_popescu: because srsly... anyone recall my argument re drugs legalisation ?
mod6: democracy for everyone! we will send you the diebold machines!
mircea_popescu: you have bad food legalisation atm. who isn't fat ?
mircea_popescu: rich people.
mircea_popescu: q fucking ed.
mircea_popescu: if drugs were legal, the only ones left standing would be idem.
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mod6: yeah. true.
mircea_popescu: mod6 not like the fatsos couldn't buy cheap shit and cook at home. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: but thye don't.
mircea_popescu: and it's EXACTLY like, junkies COULD do something else with their time
mircea_popescu: but they won't.
mod6: it boggles the mind. i always look at other peoples carts at the grocery store.
mircea_popescu: and now salary is, for 50% of the population, based on the mcdonalds mchappyshit ☟︎
mircea_popescu: and then, salary will be, for 50% of the population, based on the going sprice.
mod6: the heaviest people always have 57 bags of pizza rolls, 28 hotpockets, 13 bags of cheesy poofs and 10 2 litre bottles of diet coke.
mircea_popescu is stuffed with TWO!!! homemade round breads + argentine milanesa (schnitzel really). fucking delicious. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: meanwhile everywhere kfc is going crazy advertising a ... 5 meat patty thing
mod6: lol.
mircea_popescu: it looks like painted sponge, that meat.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260429 << the fuckers tried, in '89. went home with tail between legs, tank tread marks ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 00:26:41; mircea_popescu: ahahaha wouldn't they like to "bring democracy" to china too
mircea_popescu: i dunno, who the fuck can eat them. it literally looks like 10x my daily meat intake, and im a consummate carnivore.
asciilifeform: alba-neagra << l0l!!
mircea_popescu: three card monte
mircea_popescu: about 50% of romania's foreign investment in the early 90s came from young colorful men plying that trade abroad.
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mats: guilty-plea-after-package-tracking-breaks-opsec << what an idiot crime. you gonna set up a stooge at the drop and hope he can outrun the black van?
asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> so instead of steel bars limiting access to subway to only people that can fit through << EXACTLY like that thing they have at airports, for briefcases 1!!1
mircea_popescu: quite.
mod6: mircea_popescu: one thing about food in b-a, it's amazing how good /real/ food tastes! lol.
mircea_popescu: mod6 yeah. hard to beat.
mircea_popescu: tho they have nfi about dairy.
asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> and it's EXACTLY like, junkies COULD do something else with their time << what, exactly? theorems ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform burpees.
asciilifeform: !s no theorems to prove
assbot: 1 results for 'no theorems to prove' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=no+theorems+to+prove
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform remember my mouse ?
mircea_popescu: it also had no theorems to prove.
mircea_popescu: except, perhaps, one. hardly any theo and a lot of rem in it.
asciilifeform: for mouse they also have the pleasure electrode.
trinque: were there no welfare bad food and drugs would be fine filters
asciilifeform: works great.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> tho they have nfi about dairy. << that one italian place had some decent cheese iirc... but perhaps it was imported.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu just happened upon an unpatched mouse, that's all..
mircea_popescu: all cheese imported,a nd i have very specific cream and kefir/yogurt requirements.
mod6: ah
trinque had unpasteurized milk recently; there's a good farm for it nearby ☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu wants transylvanian sour cream god fucking damn it all.
asciilifeform: 'good farm' in usa is like good farm in pripyat'
asciilifeform: relative thing.
trinque: bullshit.
trinque: entirely; you just live in the worst part of the US
mircea_popescu: by choice even!
mircea_popescu: hey asciilifeform how come you live in shitington, dc ?
trinque: I've milked the fuckers myself and this tasted just like that
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: originally - family
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: today - meatwot
mircea_popescu: and unoriginally ?
trinque: had the nice muted sweetness to it, quite alive
mircea_popescu: wait trinque can milk ?!
trinque: sure, parents have 130 cows or so
mircea_popescu: hehe.
mod6: im simply amazed that you can sit on that beltway everyday. that stuff was bananaballs.
asciilifeform: mod6: i either do it or starve.
trinque: I don't do it often, but I know my way around an udder, lol
mircea_popescu: for a while years ago i amused myself by organising reality tours for various people from afar. sort-of like a conference i guess.
mod6: asciilifeform: understandable.
mircea_popescu: once we went to a farm, and cow was being milked by girl
trinque: asciilifeform: you could find some bullshit startup to.. milk
mircea_popescu: and i was like "go ahead, milk it!"
trinque: and make loads of bezzlars
mircea_popescu: obviously this can't be done
asciilifeform: trinque: that's sorta where i work, minus the 'loads' part
mircea_popescu: !up anono
trinque: asciilifeform: I bet Galois in town would hire ya
asciilifeform: trinque: i think i told the story before. i have no desire at all to be 'in job market'
asciilifeform: or to work on 'in-demand things'
asciilifeform: or to compete with 19 y.o. in any way.
trinque: sure, they'd make you write haskell all day or something
asciilifeform: for other people's ideas, aha.
mircea_popescu: no country for old alfs.
asciilifeform: aha.
mircea_popescu: or in the words of maggie the cat, "you can be young without money. but you can't be old without it"
asciilifeform: trinque: presently i am paid to work on one of the least interesting ideas i ever had. and this beats working with the most interesting idea other people ever had, in my demented head.
trinque: I can sorta see it; at least one might come home with some cycles left to spend on something interesting
asciilifeform: trinque: at any rate, i regard the idea of being hired to do something specific, worse, involving other people's code, to resemble jail
asciilifeform: minus all the good parts
mod6: worse even
asciilifeform: but i think i already told this story, long ago.
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asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260497 << gluttony (like dope) is the singularly most pleasurable thing these folks have going. hence the result. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 01:06:14; mircea_popescu: mod6 not like the fatsos couldn't buy cheap shit and cook at home.
mats: the argument is often made that 'healthy food' in us is expensive
mats: and the 'cheap shit' roughly approximates to rice and beans or a mcchicken
asciilifeform: mats: if you want non-hormonal meat, non-poisoned veggies, etc. they ~do~ cost 2-7x. plus then you need the time/inclination/space to cook'em.
asciilifeform: the other interesting thing is that the market is segmented in such a way that anyone who doesn't want mcfood ends up paying for ~all~ the alt-crackpotteries, not merely the logical ones ☟︎☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: e.g. there is no 'i don't care if the chicken ate gmo corn but please no antibiotic' shop ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: only 'we swear these chickens ate neither, and you will believe' shop.
asciilifeform: there are ~precisely two~ buttons on the panel, 'mcfood' and 'hippie'
asciilifeform: (with a third, hastily wired in like an iraqi ad hoc mine, 'grow own')
asciilifeform: mats: here i am discussing foods that one buys and then at least heats. not even touching upon the mcdrivethrough sort, which ~is~ an optional thing
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260502 << on what planet, in what alt-usa ? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 01:06:47; mircea_popescu: and now salary is, for 50% of the population, based on the mcdonalds mchappyshit
asciilifeform: mcturd costs a dollar or two.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> (with a third, hastily wired in like an iraqi ad hoc mine, 'grow own') << Not so bad, cheap monetarily and in terms of time for the veggies, get expensive quickly for the proteins
asciilifeform: about ten minutes' wage of an illegal mexican.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in usa folks are gouged for rent, not for food. ☟︎
asciilifeform: it is very uncommon to even think about what food costs here.
asciilifeform: the way it works is that everyone eats the things they were raised to see as ordinary, and at each particular class, those appear cheap.
asciilifeform: whereas it is not uncommon to pay 50-80% of income for the roof over head.
asciilifeform implodes. >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260505 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 01:07:48; *: mircea_popescu is stuffed with TWO!!! homemade round breads + argentine milanesa (schnitzel really). fucking delicious.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260473 << as if this helped on airplane ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 00:59:53; mod6: i think that's next, bars between seats.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260453 << the nuance here is that the city as we know it is fundamentally a creation of mass transport. as in, you would have to demolish almost all of new york or london to park cars, if everyone were to come by car. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 00:53:24; mircea_popescu: well how about fuck that. no "bigger blocks", no mass transit, no government anything.
asciilifeform: (at that point, why drive'em in ? so they can sit on endless parking lot going to the horizon ?)
mats: mcdrivethru is a solid deal if you're looking to just exist, yakno
mats: a buck and some change gets you ~350cals, 14g protein
asciilifeform: so long as you don't need to exist for more than a decade or three
asciilifeform: mats: mcfood is not even the end of this line. theodore dalrymple tells us that the standard 'chavv class' brit's dinner is a bag of chips.
asciilifeform: eaten a couplea times a day
asciilifeform: (or 'crisps' as they are called there)
asciilifeform: even cheaper than the american burger
asciilifeform: needs no cook, no heat.
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asciilifeform: can be eaten while shitting, literally
asciilifeform: or walking, or whatever.
asciilifeform: they, apparently, do not have (or are moving in the direction) such a thing as 'family sits down for dinner'
asciilifeform: everyone just eats from bag, like a horse, whenever.
funkenstein_: compare price to bag of potatoes, or oats, to see real value
asciilifeform: potatoes have to be prepared !!
mats: 21:49:57 <+asciilifeform> ... the nuance here is that the city as we know it is fundamentally a creation of mass transport. as in, you would have to demolish almost all of new york or london to park cars, if everyone were to come by car. << you ever been to LA?
asciilifeform: that means time away from the screen
funkenstein_: megalogs.. applause on thread: re standards become the sorcerers explanation
asciilifeform: mats: no, but even in la.
asciilifeform: mats: it is interesting to walk through 'financial' parts of d.c., or nyc, and notice that the offices full of folks too high and mighty to sit on a train, are largely multiple floor after floor of underground and above-ground tower parking, by sheer volume.
asciilifeform: in nyc they even have little cranes (yes) which stuff cars into shelves, robotically
asciilifeform: realize also that a car takes up, integrated over a typical day, vastly more volume than the wheeled coffin per se occupies
funkenstein_: asciilifeform, the joke is on them of course. the train is infinitely more comfortable
asciilifeform: because it is (part of the time) in motion.
asciilifeform: funkenstein_: comfortable when empty but for you.
asciilifeform: then - best train.
funkenstein_ stood shoulder to shoulder in packed train today comfortably reading book
funkenstein_: *subway
asciilifeform: funkenstein_ must then have peculiar notion of 'comfortable'
mats: sop in every mega-city: hk and sg island, tokyo, monaco, london, etc...
funkenstein_: hint: being able to close eyes is a start
trinque: I loathe public transportation.
trinque: here it's more than likely you'll share it with some bum covered in his own shit and piss
mats: 21:57:42 — +funkenstein_ stood shoulder to shoulder in packed train today comfortably reading book << reminds me when i'd catch a nap in the cattle car during movements between barracks and training site, fully burdened by gear and supported on all sides by other dudes
trinque: really doesn't matter where in the car he is; you smell him
asciilifeform: trinque: where i live this is true of bus; but not usually train
trinque: they don't enforce tickets very well
trinque: probably as some tacit matter of policy
funkenstein_: well you could always carry a two ton steel wheelchair with you and wait in line behind idiots
mats: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUMyNO8OGmk << oh the memories
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asciilifeform: funkenstein_: most folks i know who have the option of going on the train, do
asciilifeform: funkenstein_: i did, when i did
trinque: parking's probably hell around there
asciilifeform: trinque: where ?
trinque: nearabouts DC
asciilifeform: trinque: depends very much where
funkenstein_: mats, looks like morale is high :)
asciilifeform: trinque: the office park where i work is ~80% vacant and you could land a boeing on the parking
asciilifeform: going on 90%
trinque: ah not bad
mats: MPs got it easy in 'AIT' (job training)
mircea_popescu: <mats> the argument is often made that 'healthy food' in us is expensive <<< healthy food is expensive if you imagine yourself me but for the grace of god, and then attempt to remedy this lack of grace by papering over with money. yes you'll have to pay a lot for someone who doesn't want to, to cook at home for you.
asciilifeform has who to cook for him, and isn't even a mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> the other interesting thing is that the market is segmented in such a way that anyone who doesn't want mcfood ends up paying for ~all~ the alt-crackpotteries, not merely the logical ones << this is a very valid point, and the one spot where alf's ideas re meta-lizzards sound most persuasive. i do not believe the market is gerrymandered as it is by accident. ☟︎☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: speaking of, brb!
mircea_popescu: maybe for natural causes, but aided and abetted nevertheless.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> mcturd costs a dollar or two. << look at how "inflation" is calculated sometime.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> f everyone were to come by car. << the city as we know it is before that a creation of the "not everyone's invited" principle.
mircea_popescu: the entire point of having a city and cars is the endless line of half-naked farm teenagers begging for a ride, stretching out to the horizon.
mircea_popescu: take that away, having towns is a waste of everyone's time.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> everyone just eats from bag, like a horse, whenever. << good enough for the pakistani's rapemeat warehouse.
ag3nt_zer0: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260597 << changing?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwI3Nya5L9g ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 01:42:49; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in usa folks are gouged for rent, not for food.
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mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> funkenstein_: comfortable when empty but for you. << ro anecdote. many years ago /me went to pick up new slavegirl, decided on train for return trip. rented out whole compartment. upon entering ordered girl to strip and masturbate. cue VERY amazed train conductor guy checking tickets, level with and two feet away from rubbed clit.
mircea_popescu: <mats> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUMyNO8OGmk << oh the memories << why do the women sound drunk ?
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mircea_popescu: i won't ask about "stupid"
mats: i dunno.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in daily argentinian lols : their government is deeply inept (so much so that id cards actually have chips with medical history and whatnot). takes me about ten minutes to have complete history on anyone on the basis of their identity number.
mircea_popescu: like, what their mother's name was and employment history and whatnot
mircea_popescu: it is the one saving grace because otherwise twerpy as they are they'd be entirely unsuable.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, it's a fine exercise in the importance of "national identity" schemes. they exist so that the actual people can make some sort of sense of the cattle.
mircea_popescu: which, otherwise, moos, yes, but not meaningfully.
mod6: everyone has these id cards?
mod6: or just gov?
mircea_popescu: everyone.
mircea_popescu: and yes, i understand that the view in the us is that such schemes take away individual agency.
mircea_popescu: the problem is - they do not. they merely are made unavoidable by the already lost individual agency. which people lose because it's too heavy t ocarry, like the late roman army shield and helmet.
mircea_popescu: so... of necessity.
mircea_popescu: but saying "the government wants nat'l ids to oppress people" is like saying "maggots want blood separation to kill the corpse".
mircea_popescu: by the time blood solids separate out of plasm the body's long dead. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: (the silent H in all this being : no, an argentine can't pretend to me to be X or Y or Z. because i have a schematic understanding of what he MAY be, and that is the absolute and enforced limit of his destiny.)
mircea_popescu: and the exact same thing is coming to an us near you. because if you let the twerps "be what they want to be", they'll want to be "creative evangelists at large" and similar randy zuckerbergianisms. which aren't things.
mod6: oh yeah, they tried to pass all that through a while back.
mircea_popescu: it's going to happen, of necessity.
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mircea_popescu: once people lose the ability to confront кто ты по жизни (and notice i did not say "answer"), a numeric classification system is unavoidable.
trinque: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2015/09/02/russias-involvement-in-syria-might-be-ramping-up/ << more rumors and mumbling
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mod6: are you still trying to find MSM articles on that? i dug one up from bbc earlier...
trinque: yeah, but all they're doing is acknowledging the rumors from elsewhere
mod6: dow was up 293 points today. im sure they use the circut breakers just as much when price movements are to the upside.
mod6: not.
mod6: what a scam
trinque: never have I felt like so many things were on the verge of... well, god knows what... all at once.
trinque: though I have not lived very long
pete_dushenski: trinque: 'may you live in interesting times'
pete_dushenski: trinque: also, what are you, 25 ? 30 ?
trinque: these are interesting but... slow!
trinque: everything crawls, maybe due to the attention span of the modern media consumer
trinque: 28
pete_dushenski: ah nice
pete_dushenski: and while it may feel like everything on the verge, things can feel that way for decades
pete_dushenski: while some governments or currencies or infrastructure items may fail, it'll be a series of events, not all at once
pete_dushenski: well, it ~is~ a series of events, and we're witnessing it
trinque: mhm, as mircea_popescu noted re: chinese selling of us bonds
pete_dushenski: what it would be like to live in an age when ~everything~ seems to be improving, may we one day find out, but that will be a long day from today
trinque: hell I'd just like to watch it rip loose
mircea_popescu: !up dgenr8
pete_dushenski: probably what 1950's usa felt like, on the improvement score
pete_dushenski: trinque: you dionysian you
mats: sociopath.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: read '50s e.g., 'popular mechanics' sometime
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: surreal experience
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski /me lived like that for a coupla decades, actually. ro of the 90s was a fab thing.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: i read pop sci, pop mech, growing up. they fascinated me even in the early 90s. will have to check on 50s back copies
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: i bet!
trinque: mats: aw, isn't sociopathic to pull the plug on grandpa when cancer's eating him all through
mircea_popescu: in mid july 1989 govt was pretending like romanians did useful work. by 1992 govt was out and out saying that the ~65 dollars a month you earn is barely justified by your work value.
mircea_popescu: once that was on the table, the country shot up.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260662 << actually this is the one place where the clean hand of marketronics seems to me most apparent. reasonable sane people are not numerous enough here to be a market segment even to sell a paper clip. ☝︎☟︎
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 02:08:18; mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> the other interesting thing is that the market is segmented in such a way that anyone who doesn't want mcfood ends up paying for ~all~ the alt-crackpotteries, not merely the logical ones << this is a very valid point, and the one spot where alf's ideas re meta-lizzards sound most persuasive. i do not believe the market is gerrymandered as it is by accident.
asciilifeform: instead, we have idiot poor and imbecile rich
asciilifeform: these form the 'mcfood' and 'hippie' segments respectively.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform only redistyributive taxation can create this situation where they who should be rich think they're somehow poor, and the poor wear alternatively idiot and imbecile clothes.
asciilifeform: however created, this is how it works.
mircea_popescu: that article i did about "cheers", the sitcom is very illustrative. twerp in question imagines "class" as in, that ancient matter of a person's quality in society, is a matter of anointed. she thinks some vagabond is "high class" because she went to some school.
trinque: my favorite alt-food crackpottery is the gluten free thing
pete_dushenski just had a moment imagining taxation that wasn't ~distributive~ but actually for summun bonum
trinque: you check the nutrition label and it has nothing in it
asciilifeform: i've never seen anything else in my entire adult life. all of the other variants of human organization may as well be ancient rome, for all the personal experience i have of them.
trinque: granted a small percentage of people actually need it (celiacs, etc)
trinque: but it's more "filler" than mcd's
asciilifeform: trinque: were were these 'needers' in 1800 ?
asciilifeform: *where
mircea_popescu: trinque i'll give you an extra lol. recently the source of the "salt is bad mkay", ie the ustardemia, came out with an admission of the fraudulent nature of that entire swathe of "research". this however has not yet reached the latino "scientists" who mostly exist through translating things and pretending. ☟︎
trinque: I dunno, but I do know someone who shits blood when she eats bread
mircea_popescu: so right now if you're a spanish speaker salt is white death still.
asciilifeform: trinque: since birth ?
trinque: yeah
trinque: mircea_popescu: translating lol. I knew an Argentine chick; she did exactly this, and was supposed to be intellectual because of it
mircea_popescu: and high class of course.
mircea_popescu: (/me has known enough of the sort by noiw, to the degree he mostly points at their face and laughs)
trinque: oh indeed, and loved american "rock and roll" from the 80s
trinque: asciilifeform: shits blood and barfs with any wheat product
asciilifeform: also mircea_popescu - what's it mean, 'think they're somehow poor'
trinque: I half-suspect it's an autoimmune thing caused by not wheat, but something they had in the production thereof
mircea_popescu: what you do, asciilifeform .
asciilifeform: wtf, i'm actually poor
mircea_popescu: right.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: i developed gluten intolerance (not dissimilar to lactose intolerance as an experience) as an adult. why ? monsanto ? youthful rebellion against grain-growing ancestors ? who knows
asciilifeform: having to, e.g., work for a living, actually compute costs of things, etc ☟︎
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: this, as i understand, is typical. you can give yourself an intolerance for just about anything, by avoiding it
asciilifeform: serious multi-decade vegetarians will have problems digesting meat (at least for a while)
trinque: folks with celiacs will actually scar the lining of their intestines eating gluten
mircea_popescu: the difference between the black slave of 1815 and the black freeman of 2015 is that the former actually thinks that, to paraphrase, ", you don't get to fuck the white mistress."
mircea_popescu: well...
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: oddly, my metabolism has worked in the reverse of that theory. ate it regularly, eventually 'had problems', now, few years on, can handle small amounts
asciilifeform: trinque: again, where were they in 1800 ?
trinque: asciilifeform: I don't know the mechanism, but I've seen the bloody shits.
pete_dushenski: trinque: on instagram ?
trinque: my fetishes are my business
trinque: in person!
mircea_popescu: you know, something not being known in 1800 is not automatic proof the something doesn't exist.
asciilifeform: trinque: tell you what, we didn't have it in su either
asciilifeform: trinque: nor autism
pete_dushenski: aids
trinque: again, I wouldn't be surprised if it's some garbage that was in wheat production processes at some point ☟︎
asciilifeform: ^
trinque: perhaps the immune system gets irritated, marks the gluten instead of whatever else
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but autism is an actual thing, or you disagree with the very notion ?
trinque: or it and the other thing
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: is a thing, i saw it alive.
mircea_popescu: aha.
pete_dushenski: trinque: good chance it's correlation, yes
mircea_popescu: trinque did person ever had homebaked bread ?
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260761 << ftr. this is an abysmal a definition of 'poverty' as whatever gov metric, '>50% spent on room and board' or whatever ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 02:49:46; asciilifeform: having to, e.g., work for a living, actually compute costs of things, etc
trinque: mircea_popescu: not to my knowledge. it'd be a good experiment
mircea_popescu: if they're up to experimentation.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: very nearly 50
trinque: she did also have an issue with lactose, had less trouble with that unpasteurized milk from the nearby farm
trinque: all these diseases smack of "ate not-food most of my life"
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: but moreover, 'poor' is a matter of emotion strictly. a brick cannot be poor.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: then you're only borderline ! gov says !
mod6: i agree with ascii; if you have to look at the price tags, you're not rich.
asciilifeform: because brick has 100% of what he wants.
asciilifeform: mod6: i will add, if you use an alarm clock, and don't have the option of stopping, you're not rich;
pete_dushenski: mod6: such nonsense
trinque: I dunno; prices are good information
pete_dushenski: ^
trinque: why would someone who knew enough about money to keep it ignore those
asciilifeform: did not say 'ignore'
asciilifeform: again, like the clock
asciilifeform: rich has ~the option~ of ignoring.
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mod6: not that they're not good info, or good signals in a market place. but if you go shopping and have to think about weather you can afford to buy something, you're not rich.
trinque: yeah granted
asciilifeform: he can set alarm clock, as mircea_popescu suggested, to watch a meteor shower.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> rich has ~the option~ of ignoring. << yah, & alarm clock, job, et al.
asciilifeform: but it is an ~option~
pete_dushenski: mod6: as if rich people don't weigh out costs and benefits ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think you two are conflating at least three things. there is 1. "not having any ability to direct the course of public affairs, as encoded in "money" in this society" ; 2. "not having 1 and perceiving one should have it" ; 3. perceiving one should not have it.
mircea_popescu: i agree you're poor as per 3. you like to claim it's as per 1.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i don't give a tinker's damn per public affairs.. only sleep-ad-libitum.
asciilifeform: these are 'packaged together', yes
mircea_popescu: your ass is public property in this view.
pete_dushenski: maybe i buy off-brand mac and cheese instead of 'kraft dinner', save $0.50, invest, be moar rich !
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha. 'money with which to buy back own arse' is, approximately, what 'rich' means in my mind.
mircea_popescu: much like genitalia belong, indivise, to "the other gender" as a group
mircea_popescu: yes but the problem with that worldview is that it makes absolutely no sense.
mircea_popescu: you can not "buy back own arse", at any price, for as long as you think in those terms or anything like them, your ass is public property.
mircea_popescu: and this is purely a subjective problem, no matter what it masquerades as.
asciilifeform: more on account of http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-04-2015#1090204 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 07-04-2015 00:10:01; mircea_popescu: just like having a car doesn't alow having gasoline. it's true that often people who have cars also independently have gasoline, but the two are fundamentally unrelated, and there is such a thing as the fool's breakdown, ie, car's outta gas on the side of hte road.
asciilifeform: if i had 'the money', someone would simply whack me with a club & take it.
trinque: seems you can't own just your ass
trinque: you have to own the context of the ass!
asciilifeform: also need the nukes.
mircea_popescu: trinque not if that tightly packed with other asses.
mircea_popescu: his tragedy, and make no mistake alf is a true tragic figure,
mircea_popescu: is that his brain has decided it will not live without the products of industry ; while his ass does not enjoy the delights of anal proximity ; while the two are insepoarable, respectively : his ass from his head, and industry from maggotry. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: you are not, incidentally, the first to confront this.,
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu has, i think, separated the two ?
asciilifeform: using cyclotron, perhaps
asciilifeform: but separated.
mircea_popescu: early men building up the us as an industrial power did want the part where maggotry allows them to run textile mills
asciilifeform: taleb - separated.
asciilifeform: it can be done.
mircea_popescu: but they hated with burning passion the girls involved. which, i'm sure, in their worst nightmares sounded just like mats' bus linked above
mircea_popescu: so they invented this incredibly contorted torture mechanism for them
mircea_popescu: didn't do anything for either party.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i can not answer for taleb. i can tell you that as far as i'm concerned, a) my ass actually enjoys the company and b) my head actually doesn't much care about the industry.
mircea_popescu: so my solution is merely lower temperature under the tragedy pot, nothing else.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: your roquefort is flown in on what, dragon?
mircea_popescu: so ?
asciilifeform: or mechanical flying machine
asciilifeform: product of what, if not industry?
asciilifeform: do i catastrophically fail to grasp this ...?
mircea_popescu: and if i were in prison, i'd still have roquefort flown in, and it'd still be shared with some monkeys.
trinque: this is kinda what I mean about something like "you're smart, take the shartups for all they're worth"
mircea_popescu: and i still wouldn't mind.
asciilifeform: trinque: the problem is that they are not worth much
asciilifeform: trinque: if you are not among the annointed ☟︎
mircea_popescu: i stuffed more of the finest sturgeon roe into random women than anyone you know.
trinque: I know a guy that makes like 120k building terrible web-pages
mircea_popescu: what else is roquefort for ?
trinque: I bet Galois pays more
asciilifeform: trinque: i bet he works a full shift
trinque: nah he farts around and drinks
asciilifeform: it's like eating other people's shit
asciilifeform: if you had to eat shit,
asciilifeform: wouldtcha rather eat own shit?
trinque: I dunno I have a sense of humor about it
mircea_popescu: tragic figure.
trinque: "oh my god, smell this"
trinque: ben_vulpes: ^
asciilifeform: trinque: btw i will mention that there was a time when i was out of work and starving, and tried to do all kinds of things. the normal corporate folks could tell what kind of animal i was from ten minutes' conversation and wouldn't touch me with a barge pole.
mircea_popescu: and in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/464ce498c71465cd582fba778a055a3c/tumblr_nb6dz6VqO71rxt77ao9_1280.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1LMniRc )
asciilifeform: trinque: i even once applied for enslavement at nsa !
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how do you know this ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sympathetic grunts informed via side-channel
mircea_popescu: that what, "this guy is too independent thinker to hire" ?
trinque: what's the islamic concept re: lying to enemies?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not in quite these words
mircea_popescu: but in substance ?
asciilifeform: aha
mats: 'taqiyya'?
asciilifeform: 'has never done anything but r&d, will run away after nanosecond when gets a chance'
trinque: mats: that's the one
mircea_popescu wishes he'd have the poetic skill of at least a tolstoy, to write The Story of Alf,
asciilifeform: l0l
mircea_popescu: a great tragedy it'd be too
asciilifeform: trinque: if i were any good at lying, i would already be working as a professional liar. considering that i live in the world's capital for these
mircea_popescu: why do you suck at lying ?
asciilifeform: or at least in hollywood.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: idk, why do i suck at ping-pong ?
mircea_popescu: that is probably because you overcompensate.
mircea_popescu: "too tight, trying too hard" etc in parlance.
asciilifeform: what i really suck at is socializing with generic humans without wanting to eat a bullet almost immediately
mats: such drama
mats: truly deserving of a screenplay
mircea_popescu: how come ? no curiosity ?
asciilifeform: same reason why most people don't relish chimp cage
mircea_popescu: whassat ?
asciilifeform: if you don't have the circuitry, it is an insurmountable and - more importantly - entirely unappealing problem to solve.
mircea_popescu: people fucking pay to be around the chimp cage
asciilifeform: but not in.
asciilifeform: important difference.
asciilifeform: they ~would~ - do - pay to avoid being locked in.
asciilifeform: entire u.s. real estate racket is based on this fact.
ag3nt_zer0: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260777 << http://www.wwtdd.com/2014/05/gluten-was-just-fucking-with-you/ ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 02:52:40; trinque: again, I wouldn't be surprised if it's some garbage that was in wheat production processes at some point ☟︎
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mircea_popescu: is this "not having the circuitry" anything akin to "i cnat spael, i'm an artistic type" ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's more like 'i can't walk, had polio'
trinque: I dunno; you don't have to subscribe to their newsletter to talk
mircea_popescu: well if you feel like writing about this polio sometime i'll read it.
trinque: consider the person a specimen and ask questions
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260690 << i like how mircea_popescu comes back to this image. makes me often privately wonder if he did a tour of duty as an undertaker when young man ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 02:23:45; mircea_popescu: by the time blood solids separate out of plasm the body's long dead.
asciilifeform: (there is a hilarious little book, by some american fella, 'stiff' - about process of decomposition and the practical applications of said field)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it is in bad taste to kill people but be unfamiliar with the body's path through this world. much like eating cream but never having milked a cow, or eating meat but never having hunted, and so forth.
trinque: ag3nt_zer0: yup aside from celiacs it's bullshit
mircea_popescu: the point is made in passing in that discussion of rabbit killing.
asciilifeform: orwell had a piece concerning this, somewhere
asciilifeform: 'pacifist eats plenty of death but never cooks any himself'
mircea_popescu: aha.
asciilifeform: something to that effect
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260904 << i recently met a fella who cannot drink american instant coffee. breaks out in hives. and not on account of the coffee, but from having allergy to... cockroaches. ☝︎☟︎
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 03:14:19; assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 02:52:40; trinque: again, I wouldn't be surprised if it's some garbage that was in wheat production processes at some point
asciilifeform: too much roach ppm.
asciilifeform: in said product.
asciilifeform: (he would not do well in a ru flat. but allergy is really something you develop from hyper-hygienic conditions anyway. a man with roach allergy was an impossible thing where i come from)
mircea_popescu: you had cockroaches ?! in fucking russia ?!
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: well, in what is now the land of the ukrs
mircea_popescu: that's... mindblowing.
asciilifeform: but it would be a mistake to suppose that they are absent from the northern latitudes
mircea_popescu had never seen a cockroach in the flesh before going to costa rica
asciilifeform: vermin follow man around, for as long as he heats his home
mircea_popescu: had serious problems overcoming the mild curiosity. i don't see them as THAT much of a pest yet actually.
asciilifeform: no roaches in ro?!!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i had never ever seen one.
asciilifeform floored
mircea_popescu: i had seen a rat, once.
mircea_popescu: but it was more like a wilderness sighting of wonder than anything.
mircea_popescu: i didn't know anyone who had seen one.
asciilifeform: where i live now, rat is no less a thing than in any medieval town, i imagine.
mircea_popescu: i think maybe transylvania is not warm enough
asciilifeform: they are also titanically large
mircea_popescu: tho dc is iirc even further north
asciilifeform: we have two basic species of rat here, one that climbs, and one that tunnels ☟︎
asciilifeform: (both can do either, clearly, but 'specialty')
asciilifeform: in my old flat i made use of a very spiffy kind of trap, true marvel of engineering,
asciilifeform: sorta like a miniature electric chair
asciilifeform: for rat.
asciilifeform: triggered by capacitance change in the floor grid (tubular-shaped vessel)
asciilifeform: early versions had a charge on the grid at all times,
asciilifeform: and caught nothing.
asciilifeform: (student exercise: describe ~why~.)
mircea_popescu: oh and acutally, the first time i EVER encountered a rodent as a domicile pest (of exactly three times total) is, iirc, on my blog somewhere.
mircea_popescu: coupla supercute mice in cairo apt.
asciilifeform had mice, by the dozen
asciilifeform: the most objectionable, imho, thing about mice, is the stream of shit they leave behind
asciilifeform: if it were not for this, might be difficult in a modern flat (with no sacks of grain to lose, etc) to even notice them.
asciilifeform: the mice infuriated me because they reminded me so much of human vermin.
asciilifeform: who also make it impossible to ignore themselves
asciilifeform: i remember the last two mice very well
asciilifeform: clubbed them to death personally, with crowbar.
asciilifeform: right in the kitchen
asciilifeform: (they were injured by a trap, but still somehow running, at half pace)
trinque: my cat came home bloody today, must've killed some rodent or another
asciilifeform: vitamin m !
trinque: wasn't his blood
asciilifeform: i tried once to keep a cat, in the old flat. he did not like it, escaped, tunneled through a grate and never seen again.
trinque: yeah, I let mine out; got him from somebody on craigslist in the woods in TX
trinque: they're fine animals if you let them do what they're made for: climbing trees and murdering smaller animals
asciilifeform: aha. cat belongs in the wild.
trinque: otherwise they turn into that sad window-gazing bastard that jumps at every noise
asciilifeform: the cats which orbit my current dwelling are almost ideal.
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260451 << i recently waded into the bizarro world of baby diapers where monthly service of 'cloth' units is 3x price of 'disposable' AND ~40% shittier. and i do mean shittier. but... environment ! ☝︎☟︎
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 00:52:58; mircea_popescu: 1st it's all about "why will you use something you control instead of something we control ? it's cheaper! environment! racism!"
trinque: people ask me if I feed him enough. of fucking course I do; that's just a cat with muscle, not blubber
asciilifeform: they destroy vermin, and ornament the windows, trees. and, very rarely, will allow themselves to be petted.
trinque: yep
asciilifeform: trinque: when i moved to usa, i was initially puzzled why various animals were mis-shapen
asciilifeform: cat was fully 2-3x the size of 'cat' in my mind
trinque: because they're bought to be furniture
asciilifeform: ditto other creatures
trinque: dogs too
asciilifeform: i remember seeing a guinea pig
asciilifeform: my mother's lab had them, and my folks kept one as a pet for a spell, back home. it was small, ratlike animal
asciilifeform: in usa - almost lives up to its name, a pig.
asciilifeform: turned out, they feed'em corn.
asciilifeform: (or similar, processed feed) here.
asciilifeform: say what you like about the americans, but they are consistent in all things.
asciilifeform: the same thing is done to man and beast alike.
trinque: lol
trinque: corn for all gods creatures
trinque: remarkably similar result in each case
asciilifeform: even dog, somehow, is made to eat it.
trinque: that's sad
trinque: I feed animals meant to eat meat... MEAT!
asciilifeform: at least cat can run off and find, sometimes, his own meat
asciilifeform: dog is stuck.
ben_vulpes: trinque: is clearly not buying the nice frozen stuff.
trinque: I buy the primo shit from Meat on Burnside
ben_vulpes: nowai
trinque: yar
ben_vulpes: kg/wk?
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ben_vulpes: and lol can anyone actually drive to your place from the depot in less than two hours?
ben_vulpes: !up assbot
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the nearest spot that has this is the baltimore sector. ask diametric about it.
asciilifeform: iirc he used it.
pete_dushenski: "Amazon Prime Now - Skip the Trip. One-Hour Delivery."
asciilifeform: delivered milk, eggs even.
ben_vulpes: achtung logreaders!
ben_vulpes: the correct solution here is drive-by order pickup on arterials.
ben_vulpes: "shop all day, pick it up on your way home!"
asciilifeform: l0l that would be ideal here.
pete_dushenski: !chuy
pete_dushenski: !s chuy
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asciilifeform: but inescapably reminds me of the east asian piss-motorcycles
ben_vulpes: i know!
ben_vulpes: wait, piss-cycle?
asciilifeform: (piss-men drive between cars in, e.g, shanghai, with jars, will let you piss for a coin)
pete_dushenski: http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-33978116 << and i thought i was hairy-(ish)
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ben_vulpes: http://qntra.net/2015/03/local-police-arming-robots/ << bb you're unsung comic gold i tell you
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asciilifeform idly wonders how many of these he had found
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1260068 <<< what did ya change? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 02-09-2015 21:39:46; BingoBoingo: Played with qntra CSS a bit, still probably the most modern and compliant wordpress blawg on the interwebz https://archive.is/6kBqw https://archive.is/CKKJa
BingoBoingo: cazalla: removed some things that don't get used
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: unrelatedly, didja ever get v-stator to build ?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i'm trying to get a sense of how much sense the thing made to folks
ben_vulpes: well i've not parsed v in its entirety into my head yet, and after bitcoin i'm loath to run software that doesn't fit in my head.
asciilifeform: bitcoin fit in your head ?!!
asciilifeform takes off hat
ben_vulpes: no no!
ben_vulpes: it's software that i must run that does not fit in my head!
ben_vulpes: idem gpg, client braindamage...
asciilifeform: anyway ben_vulpes is in luck, because i invented a marvellous pill for folks who had trouble fitting v in head
asciilifeform: ..
asciilifeform: rewrite it. ☟︎
asciilifeform: yes.
ben_vulpes: haha
asciilifeform: in system of your choice.
asciilifeform: (befunge, if you like. qbasic. whatever.)
ben_vulpes: so why python and not cl, out of curiosity?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: partly because there is no handy gpg callout lib for cl
pete_dushenski: bon soir!
ben_vulpes: hm.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: partly because cl is a 'heavy' runtime and not fit for use as a 'run ten times a minute' shell script
asciilifeform: it is a reluctant immigrant to unix
asciilifeform: wants to own the machine.
asciilifeform: (as it should)
asciilifeform: 'python' on the other hand is more like a less-carcinogenic perl.
asciilifeform was originally writing whole thing in sed and awk.
asciilifeform has written his lifetime allotment of perl.
asciilifeform: anyway, the advice was meant quite seriously. rewrite it.
asciilifeform: it is very plain what the thing does.
asciilifeform: and ben_vulpes is quite likely to do a cleaner job of it than i
asciilifeform: bonus points if you can do it in some abomination abhorrent to men and gods, like applescript or the like
asciilifeform: (provided that it works precisely as the original)
asciilifeform: do it in... forth
asciilifeform: this can be a kind of pons asinorum for masochists.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> now, old dog hands inform me that the absolutely irresistible treat, to dog, is cat shit. << Any kind of shit really.
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> http://qntra.net/2015/03/local-police-arming-robots/ << bb you're unsung comic gold i tell you << ty
assbot: Local Police Arming Robots | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1JCBPOG )
BingoBoingo: * asciilifeform takes off hat << To inspect in head?
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ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: more lines is all you can be guaranteed of.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: would you elaborate on "own the machine" and a) why it should and b) how python does not?
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259663 << this sounds eerily familiar ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 02-09-2015 12:17:28; assbot: 15-Year-Old 'Bitcoin Kid' Wants to Make Ethereum Easier ... ( http://bit.ly/1NN7Rvn )
ag3nt_zer0: good evening...
ben_vulpes: buenos noches ☟︎
ben_vulpes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B39cenrIQW0 << there's this mine in romania...
assbot: Kuwait event plays Borat parody as Kazakhstan national anthem - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1NacJL2 )
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: eerily familiar too?
thestringpuller: to*
ben_vulpes: some other 15 year old bitcoin wizard however long ago
trinque: ben_vulpes: "doesn't own the machine" sounds to me like "/etc/hosts isn't a python data structure"
ben_vulpes: how is /etc/hosts a cl data structure?
trinque: presumably on a lisp machine it would be some data structure in some system
phf: eh, no
phf: common lisp specification is written in a such a way that you don't need to know anything about the outside world to fully replicate a ~useful~ computation
trinque: *lisp OS, I meant
trinque: phf: and if that useful computation is DNS?
trinque: I was addressing "own the machine" not CL
phf: trinque: yeah, i'm also talking about owning the machine
trinque: so answer the question. where would a lookup table like /etc/hosts go if the system were completely made of lisp?
trinque: I'm feeling around in the dark, would love to know
phf: trinque: that's not a particularly interesting question
phf: but there's a pathname spec that lets your implementation answer that question for you
trinque rolls his eyes
ben_vulpes: > pathname spec
ben_vulpes: > dns resolutino
trinque: apparently in pure lispland you'd never once DNS
trinque: mkay
ben_vulpes: cl is such a delightfully crazy mindset
ben_vulpes: nono
ben_vulpes: the impl handls the dns parts of pathnames
phf: why you write your dns of course in lisp
ben_vulpes: it's just a file on a server somewhere mang
trinque: both missing the point. I am asking stylistically where something like an /etc/hosts would live
trinque: not where the actual fucking thing lives today
ben_vulpes: setq an alist that shit you care about uses to look things up?
ben_vulpes is not a lisper
trinque: yeah, that's what I said
ben_vulpes: phf: one day i'll find an interesting question, i swear
trinque: like for example in unixland you say "you make a file" for every question
phf: ben_vulpes: alright, that was an unfair comment, but i was trying to say that the focus is wrong.
trinque: presumably various aspects of actual hardware state would also be represented as data structures in lisp
ben_vulpes: trinque: imagine nic internals as clos objects
trinque: whereas you find that in /sys or /dev on linux
ben_vulpes: *nic*
trinque: or via some call
trinque: ben_vulpes: yeah that'd be hot
trinque still wants his purely functional firewall thinger
ben_vulpes: what's the difference between "everything is a file" and "global variables" anyways
trinque: not much I guess
trinque: filesystem is a big farty key-value store ☟︎
ben_vulpes: and WE HATE KV STORES
phf: you have to have some set of global variables, even if it's only a state on the first execution of (main)
trinque: yeah hosts was my pick because it's easy to see it being interesting globally
phf: trinque: hosts file would most likely be still implemented as a filesystem file
trinque: b-but, why
trinque: where's the fundamentalism in that
phf: your filesystem is implemented in lisp?
trinque: maybe the filesystem is just a giant swapfile
phf: but your file manipulation dictionary is speced out to be a somewhat conventional tree like file/directory thing
cazalla: mircea_popescu, check it out, aussie artist making a mockery of your countrymen :P http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-03/dancing-with-costica-brisbane-artist-creates-buzz/6746014
assbot: Dancing with Costica: Brisbane artist creates buzz with digitally-colourised glass plate photos - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) ... ( http://bit.ly/1NZrPSL )
phf: trinque: anyway, the original distinction was not about hosts not being a python datastructure, it's the fact that you can't separate python semantics from the underlying os, which is unix/posix/x86/ieee combined in various forms
trinque: ah I see; we were talking completely at crossways then
phf: there's cpython which behaves ~mostly~ consistently across the system, but its behavior is part convention/part emergent details of C code and to a very significant part the details of the underlying unix
phf: yes :)
trinque: right, python is very much involved with unixisms
ben_vulpes: trinque: examples of unixisms deeply rooted in python?
ben_vulpes: ("how's the water today, boys?" "water?!")
trinque: ah well maybe more broadly than that; it's gonna be a system you can run c stuff, open files, do socket io, etc
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1260077 << this has not escaped my notice and has blown my tiny mind ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 02-09-2015 21:45:32; ascii_field: which was astonishing, because debug.log ~does~ mention it (as linked earlier) - though it is not correlated temporally with your node's disconnects as seen on my end
trinque: https://docs.python.org/2/library/socket.html << like this guy's just unix socket programming like you'd do in C
assbot: 17.2. socket — Low-level networking interface — Python 2.7.10 documentation ... ( http://bit.ly/1NZstQ7 )
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trinque: wraps the thing rather closely
phf: ben_vulpes: i'm not sure why that would be a controversial point. how does something like trig functions work in python? they don't, they are a call out to system level math library
trinque: psycopg for db, yep, very common for python to just tape various C libraries together
phf: same goes for sockets and file streams
ben_vulpes makes various gestures of distress
phf: i write way more python then lisp, there i said it
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trinque: don't we all :(
ben_vulpes: not davout
trinque: so ask me what holds the screen onto this X1 CARBON
trinque: go ahead
ben_vulpes: and not, to hit the other end of the spectrum, gabriel_laddel
ben_vulpes: trinque: cat hair?
trinque: fucking plastic
trinque: just broke
ben_vulpes: hahahaha
ben_vulpes: this 'macbook' is zamac.
trinque: carbon fiber they said
trinque: shit gum and duct tape
ben_vulpes: i ripped a part of the nominal 'metal' out of a compressed air nailgun two weekends back
mats: https://d396qusza40orc.cloudfront.net/internetgiants/GatesTidalWave.pdf
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1NZtmrV )
ben_vulpes: straight up fractured and popped out. not even deformation: catastrophic fracture propagation.
ben_vulpes: trinque: no fibers even?
trinque: this is where the hinge attaches to the screen
trinque: all plastic
trinque: nice strong metal hinge; that part's still doing great
ben_vulpes: frame probably has a few strands of cf
ben_vulpes: for show
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1260178 << the mythical software company pulls in vastly more revenue than it takes to tame the complexity of producing the revenue. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 02-09-2015 22:18:22; mircea_popescu: the obviousness of all this is inescapable if one actually has at the same time the intellectual werewithal to regard the matter and the emotional disinterest of not giving a shit about the whole lot of it.
phf: i thought consensus here was that real computers only come in atx tower cases
ben_vulpes: by virtue of writing the crud once and driving oodles of business through it.
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1260219 << this sounds crazy, de veras? ☝︎☟︎
assbot: Logged on 02-09-2015 22:47:11; pete_dushenski: only learning through trial and error
gribble: The operation succeeded.
trinque: phf: yeah, this is mostly a mobile terminal
trinque: and a piece of shit one at that
trinque: I'll never purchase another Lenovo product
phf: my colleague has been telling me that x1 carbon is the best laptop. in fact he's been trashing my mbp over it
trinque: maybe he treats his better
phf: he doesn't understand. i recently switched keyboards on this laptop, now that is not an operation for people with shaky hands. requires complete removal of guts and then removing ~~200 screws that attach the keyboard to the frame.
trinque: I had a 2007 black macbook that lasted 7-8 years
phf: "this is my laptop. there are many like it"
ben_vulpes: i dont know why anyone would treat an apple product as anything but a disposable terminal
ben_vulpes: nice terms tho
trinque: I doused elderbook (as it came to be called) with beer, coffee, god knows what else
trinque: dropped down stairs twice
trinque: carpeted, luckily
trinque: but that thing was a tank
trinque: felt the same way about a pentium 3 thinkpad I had
phf: ben_vulpes: i'm having a hard time finding a better laptop including later mbp models, which have gone downhill even more
trinque: I don't get the sense that Tim Cook would beat someone with one if he didn't approve of it
mats: 2012 mbp is last good mbp
trinque: the "retina" was a piece of shit
trinque: had that, smashed it
ben_vulpes: great displays though
trinque: I am a barbarian, can't be trusted with delicate things
ben_vulpes: things are cookies these days, granted.
ben_vulpes: $bizpartner got the new delicate thing
phf: i think i have the last matte mbp screen, which is another thing
ben_vulpes: matte!
ben_vulpes swoons
ben_vulpes: i have an mbp, 15", only took it out to play eulora once and a while because i got ubuntu on it waaay ways ago
ben_vulpes: still way fast
ben_vulpes: has giant haring stickers on it
mats: i had some play time with a 'surface pro 3' and it was p good
phf: no hackathon stickers? ;)
ben_vulpes: what the fuck is wrong with you mats
mats: would own if it was $500 new
ben_vulpes: five
ben_vulpes: tool
ben_vulpes: i
mats: you hate me ☟︎
trinque: ben_vulpes: gentleman we know has the right idea; just stack up old thinkpads
trinque: go for quantity; stops working, pitch it out the window
phf: a github sticker, a "vegan" sticker, a random hackathon sticker, an "anarchist" sticker and your startup's logo
trinque: the startup logo corner tends to stack up
trinque: mats: what does the keyboard feel like?
trinque: and when do we get actual products again?
trinque: 2070?
mats: its decently responsive and I like the action
mats: not good on the lap
BingoBoingo: <trinque> I'll never purchase another Lenovo product << try the X1?0e education series. Cheap AMD options available and honest tough plastic for those damned kids.
trinque: maybe so
trinque: http://lifehacker.com/5524704/laptop-reliability-study-highlights-the-most-sturdy-laptop-makers << this is fucking pathetic
assbot: Laptop-Reliability Study Highlights the Most Sturdy Laptop Makers ... ( http://bit.ly/1NZvDmT )
phf: i got a refurbished x61, it arrived with a broken fan, literally boots into "fan error" message
phf: BingoBoingo: does it run openbsd fine?
mats: I have a hard time justifying dropping ~1450 on a 13in MBA with 8gb or I would be on the aapl train
trinque: apple's a scam these days too
mats: not everyone can be ben_moneybags with the dedicated eulora mbp
phf: (and what i mean by fine is video card, wifi and suspend to ram)
BingoBoingo: phf: My 120e does with a different wifi card
BingoBoingo: phf: Also I end up having to replace the fan annually, but probably because I take it out to smoke cigarettes with me.
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260443 <<< http://i.imgur.com/q9inT6v.jpg ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 00:51:01; mod6: mircea_popescu can scarcely believe all the ustards have to talk about is whether men sit like this or like that << ikr! i heard some lawyer say to another lawyer on the train, "mind your man spread bro".
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1hBs61m )
trinque: that internalization of feminist bullshit is disgusting
trinque waits for the portland morality police to cart him off
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mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "concerns... oughta concern"
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Where?
mircea_popescu: latest article
mircea_popescu: on qntra. last para.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261074 << the night is female i'll have you know. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 04:53:19; ben_vulpes: buenos noches
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261120 << this is actually a good point huh. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 05:09:59; trinque: filesystem is a big farty key-value store
mircea_popescu: there's no "directories" in any other sense than key prefixes.
trinque: yup, that's how I look at it
mircea_popescu: cazalla http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/6746126-3x2-700x467.jpg << compare the original with the "colorized". what all has changed ? yes, derpy "color". what else ?
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1NbQbJN )
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Sentence was a mess, should be fixed, also not the latest article
mircea_popescu: how has the adult looking 15 yo girl in the original turned into a retarded looking adult in the "upgrade " ?
mircea_popescu: Lalomita County Museum << it's Ialomita ftr.
BingoBoingo: Colorizarion always renders the serious derpy because people can't compose color the right way
mircea_popescu: http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/6746094-3x2-700x467.jpg << check it out it's a fucking trend. how come the intelligent looking boy turned into ... whatever that is
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1NbQggq )
mircea_popescu: this is fucking sad.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, she is an artist, and they're having an exhibition, and that's that!
mircea_popescu: she's a tub of margerine,
mircea_popescu: is what she is.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/jesus-fixed.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1NbQft0 )
cazalla: "Ms Long said the feedback from the Romanian community had been overwhelming."
cazalla: "If anyone had the right to be offended it would be the Romanian community and yet, it's the opposite"
cazalla: i thought the man playing the fiddle was the most cringe worthy of them all fwiw
mircea_popescu: im not fucking offended. i just think she's stupid.
mircea_popescu: there's a difference.
mircea_popescu: or wait, did little miss margerine tub think photochopping is somehow controversial and ima hate a pelican ?
thestringpuller: http://m.phys.org/news/2009-09-carrier-pigeon-faster-broadband-internet.html#jCp << fluffypony is your internet this bad? ☟︎
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
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fluffypony: lol thestringpuller
fluffypony: our Internet is reasonably good, it's just expensive
fluffypony: I have wireless to a fibre base station on a highsite, so latency is pretty low, 10mbps down / 1.5mbps up
fluffypony: and that costs ~$112 a month
BingoBoingo: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/423437/kermit-the-frog-new-girlfriend-denise-thin-miss-piggy
assbot: Kermit's New 'Girlfriend' Denise Is Thin, Feminists Outraged | National Review Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1NbRlF5 )
BingoBoingo: https://slimgur.com/images/2015/09/03/10f56ed378c096c97d61a96902ab5619.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1NbRng9 )
mircea_popescu has just learned that one can't in point of fact get a phone plan in the us that doesn't charge FOR INCOMING CALLS ☟︎
mircea_popescu: leaving aside all the "need id to buy phone card" nonsense, this is just too out there. wtf
cazalla: you can buy them ready activated on gumtree (craigslist) with cash anyway if need be
mircea_popescu: they'll still charge for incoming
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fluffypony: when I was there in November I got a prepaid SIM from T-Mobile for $80 for a month
fluffypony: and that was unlimited everything (calls / SMS / data)
mircea_popescu: ima have it lookt into thx
fluffypony: http://www.t-mobile.com/cell-phone-plans/individual.html#
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fluffypony: what's actually quite nice is that it also has unlimited SMS and unlimited data when roaming in 120 countries, BUT the roaming data speed is capped at 128kbps
fluffypony: still good enough for email and messaging
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punkman: so much logz
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punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260537 I've bought unpasteurized a few times but I just boil it at home ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 01:14:22; *: trinque had unpasteurized milk recently; there's a good farm for it nearby
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260973 <<< how are the nappy changing skills coming along? ☝︎☟︎
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 03:35:40; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260451 << i recently waded into the bizarro world of baby diapers where monthly service of 'cloth' units is 3x price of 'disposable' AND ~40% shittier. and i do mean shittier. but... environment !
mircea_popescu: disposable, for the record, is in no way bad for the environment. it consists of mixing celulose pulp with human excrement and burrying it. this is a much better use than mixing cellulose pulp with pigments and then storing it on shelves.
cazalla: i don't think good or bad for environment ever crossed my mind.. cannot buy cloth anywhere and tbh i don't fancy scraping the shit from them and couldn't sell the idea to missus
cazalla: "but your mother did it this way, my mother did it this way, you should too!"
mircea_popescu: not too hard to make your own disposable cloth diapers anyway. just buy some cheap metrage and cut it up.
deedbot-: [Trilema] BitBet (S.BBET) August 2015 Statement - http://trilema.com/2015/bitbet-sbbet-august-2015-statement/
punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260944 << I have one that tunnels, I plug the hole (last time with concrete), he tunnels out again. Nobody has ever seen this rat and it's been years. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 03:27:07; asciilifeform: we have two basic species of rat here, one that climbs, and one that tunnels
mircea_popescu: punkman : get a plumber's snake, a rag and gasoline. affix the rag to the bit, soak it, light it and shove it in as far as you can reach
mircea_popescu: it rarely kills it but they move.
fluffypony: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHynGQ9Vg30
assbot: Whites Only? - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ECYY4E )
punkman: I have flooded it with water a few times
mircea_popescu: that doesn't do anything
mircea_popescu: natural phenomena
mircea_popescu: fluffypony lmao, his hand doesn't properly reflect!
fluffypony: heh heh
punkman: hah
mircea_popescu: in other news, i was today in an elevator which insistently stated that max weight = 150kg
mircea_popescu: one of those old style things you see in 1950s french movies.
mircea_popescu: i imagine the grief of couples in that building you know, they move in as 20somethings, can take it together
mircea_popescu: then one year comes
mircea_popescu: one sad, sad year, when the elevator won't start anymore
mircea_popescu: "oh, it's the shopping bags".
mircea_popescu: and for a while it is
mircea_popescu: but then...
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punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261041 << I'm gonna name my rewrite "vit" ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 04:05:47; asciilifeform: rewrite it.
cazalla: wouldn't the sign just go ignored?
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mircea_popescu: cazalla not like it starts overweight
mircea_popescu: you can ignore it all you want, it'll ignore you right back
mircea_popescu: and with that, tada!
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punkman: http://www.cockroachlabs.com/about/
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32252 @ 0.0006876 = 22.1765 BTC [-]
shinohai: Why do I feel like Forbes is trolling me? http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2015/09/02/windows-10-updates-u-turn/
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1EBD29U )
cazalla: fuck yeah straya http://www.canberratimes.com.au/business/comment-and-analysis/economic-growth-close-to-zero-as-living-standards-slip-20150902-gjdi0t.html "Had it not been for a surprise 41 per cent jump in government spending on defence equipment in the quarter, economic growth would have been zero."
assbot: Economic growth close to zero as living standards slip ... ( http://bit.ly/1EBD8OS )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20600 @ 0.00069976 = 14.4151 BTC [+]
pete_dushenski: "Electricity generated by US wind farms fell 6 per cent in the first half of the year even as the nation expanded wind generation capacity by 9 per cent, Energy Information Administration records show."
pete_dushenski: "The reason was some of the softest air currents in 40 years, cutting power sales from wind farms to utilities" ☟︎
pete_dushenski: "“We never anticipated a drop-off in the wind resource as we have witnessed over the past six months,” David Crane, chief executive of power producer NRG Energy, told analysts last month"
pete_dushenski: lulz
pete_dushenski: "we never anticipated that moore's law would've broken down in 2008 or that obama would be every bit as much of a monkey/terrorist as bush mk ii"
pete_dushenski: etfc.
pete_dushenski: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3218027/Place-order-iPad-pick-giant-vending-machine-fully-automated-restaurant-opens-San-Francisco-sells-superfood-Quinoa.html << take that, $15 min wageists
assbot: First fully automated restaurant opens in San Francisco but it only sells Quinoa | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1FkTfLu )
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261178 << if my family friend, a mechanic at the local audi dealership, is to be believed, then yes. a quick web search didn't reveal any evidence to the contrary either. so let's chalk up vw's bravado in the 'crazy but true' category ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 05:33:49; ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1260219 << this sounds crazy, de veras?
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261305 << figuring out rotor, hell even pgp, was markedly more challenging. i'd put 'nappy ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 07:38:58; cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260973 <<< how are the nappy changing skills coming along?
pete_dushenski: *i'd put 'nappy changing' up there with building basic lego designs in terms of difficulty
cazalla: yes, but keep in mind changing the nappy of a stationary child is ezmode
cazalla: gotta play through easy then normal before hard more with the mobile toddler who doesn't fancy doing what you want
cazalla: hardmode even
pete_dushenski: fair nuff
pete_dushenski: "At least a few intrepid i3 REx owners have enthusiastically taken to coding their cars. A partial list of functions that can be added or modified with those updates includes: Allowing fuel tank to accept full capacity of 2.4 gallons, Adding suppressed European "hold battery charge" function, Enabling suppressed AM radio, Suppressing U.S.-mandated seat-belt warning tone, Permitting video to be run from USB stora
pete_dushenski: ge device, Changing startup image (one owner found "a cool Alpina" emblem hidden in the car's software)" ☟︎
pete_dushenski: "The software that enables these functions is already present in U.S.-market BMW i3 vehicles. But it's suppressed in many cases, due to National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) or California Air Resources Board (CARB) regulations--or BMW North America's perception of consumer preferences."
pete_dushenski: hakkerz !
shinohai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261378 < My favorite embedded hack: >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ST_BASIC_-_J.R._Bob_Dobbs.gif ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 11:18:21; pete_dushenski: ge device, Changing startup image (one owner found "a cool Alpina" emblem hidden in the car's software)"
assbot: File:ST BASIC - J.R. Bob Dobbs.gif - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1FkUZVc )
pete_dushenski: ftr bmw i3 'rex' differs from regular i3 in its use of a 'range extender', not unlike that on the chevy volt
pete_dushenski: shinohai: hehe neat.
punkman: pete_dushenski: relevant http://www.prweb.com/releases/Total-Car-Diagnostics/improve-car-performance/prweb12825259.htm
assbot: New Car Software Saves Users Thousands In Car Repairs by Hacking Cars to Run Better and Faster ... ( http://bit.ly/1FkV9fg )
pete_dushenski: punkman: not a bad idea to have your own obd-ii reader
punkman: the tuning part is scary, I wonder if anyone has managed to explode his car
shinohai: You guys remember those accel units from the 90's that let you do all that to your EFI ?
shinohai: http://www.jegs.com/p/DFI/Accel-DFI-Thruster-EFI-Engine-Management-System/981841/10002/-1
assbot: Accel-DFI Thruster EFI Engine Management System | ... ( http://bit.ly/1JP996v )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31400 @ 0.00071555 = 22.4683 BTC [+] {2}
punkman: http://www.nytimes.com/learning/students/pop/20030110snapfriday.html
assbot: Gentlemen, Start Hacking Your Engines ... ( http://bit.ly/1JP9Mge )
punkman: (2003)
shinohai: heh thanx for that punkman.
punkman: there are probably people doing this since the first car with microelectronics appeared
pete_dushenski: and well before that.
pete_dushenski: see 'rum runners special'
shinohai: ;)
punkman: well you can't have software hacking when the car has no software
pete_dushenski: you dun need software to 'hack'
shinohai: My "hacks" were mostly to wiring and such. My mother, in her nasally Jewish voice, always swore I was going to "burn myself alive in my car" ☟︎☟︎
pete_dushenski: modded cars used to transport liquor under the cover of darkness in the 1920s were the basis for stock car racing, which eventually led to 'nascar'
shinohai: Sad to see that such a noble sport declined into nascar.
pete_dushenski: i can't say i've ever been much for nascar, but enough of the tradition seems to have carried on, despite the distillation of the source into a platonic game
pete_dushenski: it's still blue-collar yahoos trying to out-gun one another at >200 kph
shinohai: I despise nascar. I live in the heart of it.
pete_dushenski: s/200/300 (!)
pete_dushenski: shinohai: what don't you like about it ?
shinohai: It just bores me. I can't watch cars go in circle 2-3 hours.
shinohai: Now I like road races.
shinohai: I am more of a WRC tye.
shinohai: *type
pete_dushenski: see wrc cars themselves are epic machines, but the races neither work on tv or live
pete_dushenski: whereas f1 only really works on tv and nascar only works live
pete_dushenski: also add 'le mans' to only tv category
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67750 @ 0.00071249 = 48.2712 BTC [-] {2}
shinohai: I like LeMans ok
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29750 @ 0.00071561 = 21.2894 BTC [+]
shinohai: LOOOOOOL I missed this one: https://redd.it/3jgfd7
assbot: I'm too stupid for bitcoin : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1JPhWVK )
shinohai: Sorry, wrong link: https://redd.it/3jf9xy
assbot: SECURITY ALERT: Bug in Go clients causing increase in difficulty. Mandatory update for miners asap; transacting users & exchanges unaffected : ethereum ... ( http://bit.ly/1JPi2N9 )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45700 @ 0.00071161 = 32.5206 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25430 @ 0.00071183 = 18.1018 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: pete_dushenski mats $genericreassurance $coinbrcomingbacksoon $sorryforinconvenience
jurov: but really, my brain had meltdown trying to reconstruct what went down on mpex order book in that time :(
pete_dushenski: jurov: hm. well, thanks for the update. mighta cost us a few shekels but nothing life changing. life goes on.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61879 @ 0.00070488 = 43.6173 BTC [-] {3}
shinohai needs to make time to investigate jurov 's site when it is back up.
pete_dushenski: shinohai: coinbr is well designed
jurov: but mpex order/trade matching is hairy, errors are likely to snowball
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19150 @ 0.00070396 = 13.4808 BTC [-]
pete_dushenski: i should clarify that 'well designed' means 'attractively designed' in this instance. i nfi about the hairball backend.
jurov: now you mean what? the mermaid?
pete_dushenski: sure, she's kinda cute ;/
pete_dushenski: more 'dashboard' and 'new order' interfaces
pete_dushenski: i admit i'm not much for the coinbr graphs
shinohai: tbh I would need a ton of research to know where to begin.
thestringpuller: jurov: how goes the coinbr maintanence?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32750 @ 0.00070396 = 23.0547 BTC [-]
jurov: thestringpuller: it goes like rm -rf /, set on fire, salt the earth
thestringpuller: :(
thestringpuller: that bad huh?
jurov: jk.. see log
thestringpuller: lol your blog has funny mpex stories
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261287 << i thought mircea_popescu wouldn't be caught dead using a phone, much less calling usa... ☝︎☟︎
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 07:06:40; *: mircea_popescu has just learned that one can't in point of fact get a phone plan in the us that doesn't charge FOR INCOMING CALLS
pete_dushenski: iirc he had samsung flip fone
asciilifeform: i think it was hanbot, who had it
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-09-2014#830737 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 16-09-2014 13:47:32; mircea_popescu: to me too. and i got a 100 pesos samsung dumbphone. it's light, i couldn't care less if someone steals it.
asciilifeform: hm.
asciilifeform: guess he does have one somewhere.
asciilifeform: where, exactly, can you get phone that doesn't charge for incoming ? ☟︎
punkman: in europe
asciilifeform: my phone charges fifty cents for ~incoming sms~ even.
asciilifeform: each.
davout: nutjobberry
punkman: I haven't been to any eu countries that charge for incoming calls/sms
punkman: maybe if you are roaming
davout: punkman: yeah, only if roaming
punkman: but no reason to roam when you can buy another sim at the airport when you land
asciilifeform: if phone even takes sims
asciilifeform: many american ones do not. ☟︎
davout: punkman: then you have the problems that go with a new number
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261276 << the proverbial 'boeing full of tapes' is faster than ~anybody~'s pipe. when people pay for 'high-speed net', they are usually paying for ~low latency~ rather than high bandwidth. ☝︎☟︎
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 06:44:59; thestringpuller: http://m.phys.org/news/2009-09-carrier-pigeon-faster-broadband-internet.html#jCp << fluffypony is your internet this bad?
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: i'd rather have bigger pipes to flush my shit down rather than the shit move away from my house faster.
shinohai: https://media.defcon.org/DEF%20CON%2023/DEF%20CON%2023%20presentations/Lin%20Huang%20&%20Qing%20Yang/DEFCON-23-Lin-Huang-Qing-Yang-GPS-Spoofing.pdf
shinohai: Sorry it is a stoopid slideshow
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41666 @ 0.00070535 = 29.3891 BTC [+]
davout: thestringpuller: bigger pipers == more throughput for smell to come back up
asciilifeform: ^ this was actually a concern before the water lock was invented
asciilifeform: (the bend in your sink, toilet)
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: I thought that bend was for when wife loses engagement ring while doing dishes...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31087 @ 0.00070395 = 21.8837 BTC [-] {2}
jurov somehow imagined boeings full of shit
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108663 @ 0.00070238 = 76.3227 BTC [-] {5}
jurov: aka septic planes :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30892 @ 0.00069965 = 21.6136 BTC [-] {3}
pete_dushenski: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/03/us-ww2-anniversary-china-xi-idUSKCN0R305P20150903
assbot: China holds massive military parade, to cut troop levels by 300,000| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBjpvB )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14087 @ 0.00069965 = 9.856 BTC [-]
pete_dushenski: http://s3.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20150903&t=2&i=1076560305&w=&fh=&fw=&ll=644&pl=429&sq=&r=LYNXNPEB82067 << 'helicopeters in shape of '70
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBjyPo )
pete_dushenski: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CN8oAPPUYAAaNxP.jpg << pointy tanks
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBjOxZ )
pete_dushenski: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CN8cpwSUEAA4fc2.jpg << drones
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBjTle )
pete_dushenski: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CN8aIGxUcAA5Biu.jpg << putin hopping into 'hongqi'
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBjY8C )
pete_dushenski: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CN8qzb2UcAAL7xP.jpg << that's a lotta dongfengs
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBkbIM )
trinque: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=20-08-2015#1244821 <--> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/11841024/China-shows-off-missile-able-to-destroy-aircraft-carriers-at-massive-WW2-parade.html ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 01:13:47; mircea_popescu: trinque>china for example builds its *first* aircraft carrier, and people talk about the chinese being a military threat <<< you don't understand how this works. the aircraft carrier is irrelevant. china bet on the winning strat (missile defense) and bet a lot more than the us can afford, and as a result now has unchallangeable area denial ability throughout the shores. this means it can pursue its
assbot: China shows off missile 'able to destroy aircraft carriers' at massive WW2 parade - Telegraph ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBkvaw )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32600 @ 0.00069718 = 22.7281 BTC [-] {3}
pete_dushenski: bbiab
davout: let's poke reddit a bit: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3jhwi3/i_support_bip000/
assbot: I support BIP000 : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1XkQrJv )
thestringpuller: davout: people are downvoting that to hell.
thestringpuller: i should just create 500 reddit-bot accounts to upvote our shit
davout: went from +6 to +2
thestringpuller: actually I may do that
jurov: just pay some philippinos
davout: reddit: the place where philippinos vote-cancel other philippinos
trinque: yeah but like, how is bitcoin going to give me free college and corn products?
thestringpuller: how is bitcoin going to make me rich?
mike_c: hodl
trinque: thestringpuller: please pay me 10BTC for my exclusive webinar
davout: thestringpuller: "while i sleep" is the important tidbit
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51322 @ 0.00070535 = 36.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67372 @ 0.00069309 = 46.6949 BTC [-] {5}
trinque: flag store nearby does not have a rebel flag
trinque: bah
trinque: I want to put that and the Texan flag in each back window of my station wagon on the way home
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3508 @ 0.00068815 = 2.414 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: why do you want a confederate flag trinque ?
thestringpuller: wb mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu waves
trinque: thestringpuller: because I want Texas to secede :)
trinque: also it looks cool
trinque: thestringpuller: there were a number of sensible things in the Confederate constitution as well
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6536 @ 0.00070286 = 4.5939 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261361 << global warming hue hue ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 10:59:18; pete_dushenski: "The reason was some of the softest air currents in 40 years, cutting power sales from wind farms to utilities"
mircea_popescu: wtf is Quinoa
mircea_popescu: ;;ud Quinoa
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=quinoa | Gullible white middle-class person: Oh, we only eat quinoa these days. It's more ethical than other crops; you can tell because it costs more, so it must be ...
mircea_popescu: "The fact is that the economic growth we had in the last quarter was in line with expectations. Of course it bounces around from quarter to quarter but it was in line with our overarching expectation." <<< bwahaha who is this ignorant twerp. he looks like an indigent and speaks like an indigent, too!
thestringpuller: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3jh9t5/are_there_any_private_stock_exchanges_that_deal/ << Wonder how many downvotes a comment referencing MPEx will get
mircea_popescu: "Features that make CockroachDB unstoppable What a database needs in 2015" << fuck that nonsense, what's the year got to do with anything.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller infinity, who would want to use a private stock exchange that has a proven track record of everything.
mircea_popescu: it's reddit after all.
thestringpuller: havelock still exists?
mircea_popescu: Suppressing U.S.-mandated seat-belt warning tone << holy shit that rules.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller more or less in the manner picostocks still exists.
thestringpuller: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3jh9t5/are_there_any_private_stock_exchanges_that_deal/cupdl1r << "GLBSE did. It was magical. But the SEC shut it down. Theymos has all rge money from it." << dunno if sarcasm.
thestringpuller: GLBSE was anything but magical, but mmkay.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261404 << yeah been going on forevar. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 11:35:05; shinohai: My "hacks" were mostly to wiring and such. My mother, in her nasally Jewish voice, always swore I was going to "burn myself alive in my car"
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller plox to not import multiple versions of the same stupid into ba thx
thestringpuller: my b
mircea_popescu: "Will there ever be a point in time where bitcoin will be so easy to use that it won't be intimidating for the average Joe?"
mircea_popescu: no!
mircea_popescu: "the average joe" does not belong above ground, either.
fluffypony: the extraordinary joe, on the other hand
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261449 << errything in moderation. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 14:21:52; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261287 << i thought mircea_popescu wouldn't be caught dead using a phone, much less calling usa...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58851 @ 0.00070803 = 41.6683 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261457 << a) everywhere. literally. how dumbfucked usians are needs no further proof than this simple fact. you derps put up with charge for INCOMING, srsly ? heh. b) i have like a dozen+. disposable cellphone ftw. ☝︎☟︎
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 14:25:01; asciilifeform: where, exactly, can you get phone that doesn't charge for incoming ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261467 << that's another one. lol, srsly ? why are you buying it then. "oh because here we got no options". mmmmkay. ☝︎☟︎
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 14:27:05; asciilifeform: many american ones do not.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261469 << actually it's both. either alone is pretty useless. ☝︎☟︎
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 14:29:28; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261276 << the proverbial 'boeing full of tapes' is faster than ~anybody~'s pipe. when people pay for 'high-speed net', they are usually paying for ~low latency~ rather than high bandwidth.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1244828 << to expound on this a little. there are two fundamental contexts for defeat, and only two. you probably know them from engineering : if a) your fundamentals are sound, you refine the implementation ; if b) your fundamentals are rotten you change the fundamentals. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 01:15:46; mircea_popescu: and it would seem the us is all glass. much like hitler's socialist regime, or stalin's socialist regime, the us socialism can not really take defeat well. either they turn it around or they go under, there's no "occupied france" going on.
mircea_popescu: thus a is a "minor bug" and b is a "we have to refactor".
mircea_popescu: exactly the same is the situation in politics, which are throughout software. if the country is run by unfit men, which is the very definition of socialism, the fundamentals are ipso facto rotten. everyone knows they are rotten. the only reason things carry on is because "well, it works", ie, it hasn't crashed yet. once it crashes, that's it, off to the scrap heap.
mircea_popescu: socialism doesn't take defeat well the same way crappy software doesn't take failure well.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile if the country is run by fit men, defeat only strengthens the resolve. a fine example are the early roman republican defeats, which merely served to raise more army behind the senate,
mircea_popescu: or for that matter the numerous setbacks and defeats of the us rebel army up to and including valleyforge.
mircea_popescu: (this is also why socialism is so keen in inventing imaginary enemies. the drain on resources faux "wars" with imagined boogaboos impose is bad, but not terminal. the advantage of an enemy that can never actually come in and defeat you, for lack of existence, is unparalleled. and so it goes.)
mircea_popescu: anyway, the only good thing coming out of that parade (an event imbecile "world leaders" are not going to - and should be hanged by their constituencies for not having attended, if those constituencies weren't made up of retards) is that xi specifically mentioned discrimination as bad. this is an improbable stance for china.
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field
mircea_popescu: and "potential new users" are going to "leave ship". << lol davout
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51200 @ 0.00070916 = 36.309 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261556 << i'll bite. what is the option ? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 16:28:18; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261467 << that's another one. lol, srsly ? why are you buying it then. "oh because here we got no options". mmmmkay.
ascii_field: the broomstick ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27713 @ 0.00071516 = 19.8192 BTC [+] {3}
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261554 << over here, they flag residences with more-than-average count of distinct sim id ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 16:26:26; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261457 << a) everywhere. literally. how dumbfucked usians are needs no further proof than this simple fact. you derps put up with charge for INCOMING, srsly ? heh. b) i have like a dozen+. disposable cellphone ftw.
ascii_field: (then, naturally, parallel-construct.)
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261558 << how might one have, physically, low-latency without high bandwidth? you could serialize the bits, and immediately get the other. it is only high bandwidth that does not automatically imply low latency ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 16:28:59; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261469 << actually it's both. either alone is pretty useless.
BingoBoingo: <jurov> but mpex order/trade matching is hairy, errors are likely to snowball << Maybe it is because MPEx skipped its summer vacation this year?
jurov: lol what does summer vacation have with order matching?
BingoBoingo: jurov: I don't know exactly, but Maybe the server is cranky?
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260537 << who're you using? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 01:14:22; *: trinque had unpasteurized milk recently; there's a good farm for it nearby
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33850 @ 0.00071388 = 24.1648 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260586 << its an obvious place for the market to be right now. gotta aggregate demand. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 01:37:31; asciilifeform: the other interesting thing is that the market is segmented in such a way that anyone who doesn't want mcfood ends up paying for ~all~ the alt-crackpotteries, not merely the logical ones
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45985 @ 0.00070286 = 32.321 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: continued here, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260730 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 02:43:53; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260662 << actually this is the one place where the clean hand of marketronics seems to me most apparent. reasonable sane people are not numerous enough here to be a market segment even to sell a paper clip.
ben_vulpes: well your "here" is batshit nuts amigo.
ascii_field: wai wat - ben_vulpes does not see this segmentation where he lives ?
ascii_field: e.g., can buy antibiotic-free but gmo-enabled chicken ?
ben_vulpes: there are enough reasonable sane people here to make farmers markets within walking distance of my house 4/7 days of the week financially viable.
ascii_field: similar here
ascii_field: not what i was talking about.
ascii_field: was discussing - specifically - stores.
ben_vulpes: quit bullshitting, nothing is in walking distance of your house!
ascii_field: wai wat
ascii_field: farmer's market is 10 min of walk away
ben_vulpes: leastaways that was a complaint i heard from you once.
ascii_field: the woman is there right now.
ben_vulpes: hm.
ascii_field: over here, it's a weekly thing
punkman: food supply also needs WoT
ben_vulpes shrugs
ben_vulpes: stores?
ben_vulpes: people who eat manufactured food - eat manufactured food.
ascii_field: ben_vulpes gets oil for frying pan at the farmer market ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31350 @ 0.0006944 = 21.7694 BTC [-]
ascii_field: phun phakt: in recent year or so, 'paypal' will simply sit on a transaction for three weeks, collecting interest from the money. ☟︎
ascii_field: (in addition to the usual fees, etc)
ascii_field: this is actually tangentially related to the market thing earlier with ben_vulpes
ascii_field: in that THERE IS NO ALT-PAYPAL because THERE IS NO ALT-EBAY
kakobrekla: last time i had a dispute solved by paypal, i was overcompensated.
punkman: ebay is not that different to amazon these days
kakobrekla: in the words of Blake, "just lucky, i guess". ☟︎
ascii_field: punkman: amazon is not a sole source for anything
punkman: and ebay is?
ascii_field: ebay is.
ascii_field: where the fuck am i supposed to get, e.g, specific bracket for specific circa-1992 laptop ?
punkman: such as?
ascii_field: or soviet z80 cpu of particular east german factory
ascii_field: or, or, or,
ascii_field: times 1,001 in a year or less
ascii_field: srsly, if the answer is 'don't do that, instead put this broomstick up your arse' then fuckyou
ben_vulpes: http://www.geekwire.com/2015/watch-boeing-demolish-this-old-757-for-recycling/
assbot: Watch Boeing demolish this old 757 for recycling - GeekWire ... ( http://bit.ly/1LXY99a )
punkman: ebay has been optimizing for "chinese supermarket" sellers for a long time now.
ascii_field: punkman: aha.
punkman: ascii_field: your argument has merit, but I don't think for long
ascii_field: ?
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261620 < https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zgXnSKgopY#t=5m30 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 18:28:40; kakobrekla: in the words of Blake, "just lucky, i guess".
assbot: You gonna shoot me? - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1LXZYTy )
ascii_field: punkman et al: notice how paypal is among the most hated firms in the world, prolly right up there with microshit; and yet there is no escape from it if you use ebay
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=30-04-2015#1117015 << see also. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 30-04-2015 21:29:20; ascii_field: as far as i'm concerned, historically, ebay is just this gizmo that shaves a zero off the price of the costliest things i buy. so i was never moved to care whether it is run by hitler or fueled with baby seal juice etc.
ascii_field: and http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=30-04-2015#1116992 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 30-04-2015 21:21:12; ascii_field: http://www.loper-os.org/vintage/paralleleye/eye.html << example of item i bought on ebay. where the fuck else is it even physically possible to get one of these? sotheby's? it took 5+ yrs of searching, too
phf: <ascii_field> they flag residences with more-than-average count of distinct sim id << they do? i don't even know how many sims i have, they have all kinds of practical applications! sms proxies, rc helicopters, remote triggered explosive devices, what?
ascii_field: phf: if you're ~connected~ with more than a handful, you are flagged.
ascii_field: precisely how many and within what geographic spot constitutes 'interesting', i do not know. ask the inquisitor when it's your turn in the room 101 chair.
ascii_field: the main flagging criterion as per various leaked papers is 'sim that connects only occasionally'
ascii_field: it is auto-interesting.
phf: well, damn
phf: elsewhere on the internet http://www.ebay.com/itm/181823958627
assbot: Vintage HP 16C Computer Scientific Calculator Plus Original Manual and Case 766897448522 | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1LOKcr0 )
phf: $350
ascii_field: i got one of these.
ascii_field: and WHERE THE FUCK OTHER THAN EBAY could i have gotten it.
ascii_field: monopoly.
kakobrekla: they sell those too on ebay.
phf: naturally all the retro names fetch a pretty penny
ascii_field: phf: it isn't about 'retro name' but about the only programmer's calculator ever made
ascii_field: as in, does shr and shl, and/or/xor/not, hex->dec->oct->bin, each of these with 1 keypress
ascii_field: and 64 bits of working reg
ascii_field: i use this thing every day.
phf: there's that conversion project, that takes one of the modern hp calculators and adds a programmer friendly firmware. the layout is not as good though
ascii_field: i don't want the 49 series with their idiot vertical layout and tiny keys
phf: http://commerce.hpcalc.org/34s.php
assbot: WP 34S Scientific Calculator ... ( http://bit.ly/1LY2LMn )
phf: right
ascii_field: and FUCK NO do i not want multiple keypresses for the above ops
ascii_field: classic 'here have this thing that isn't actually the same at all'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37400 @ 0.0006944 = 25.9706 BTC [-]
phf: "why would you need it? when you can have an ipad app version!!"
BingoBoingo: <ascii_field> ben_vulpes gets oil for frying pan at the farmer market ? << Doesn't the oil render of the MEGA_Hippie pork lardons?
ascii_field: and even if it were the correct size & shape, I AM NOT FUCKING WRITING ON KEYS WITH PEN
ascii_field: srsly
shinohai: ascii_field: I liked this post of yours: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1490 would indeed be interesting to materialize.
assbot: Loper OS » Practical Blockchain Telegraphy. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LY30Hl )
ascii_field: shinohai: it materialized, i used it for years.
shinohai: O.o
phf: ascii_field: guy who wrote firmware also distributes laminates. i hear you, but it's the whole poverty point, for me it was a step up from "why the fuck can't i get a decent rpn calculator?" i tried iphone apps even..
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54122 @ 0.0006922 = 37.4632 BTC [-] {2}
ascii_field: phf: it is better to use a really good computer proggy, like 'derive', than a shit calculator
phf: i've noticed that. i have a pretty hacked up ccl repl, that does math for me in infix notation, and that's something that i reach for in anger. i'd like something as easy, and preferably portable
ascii_field: the lack of an EXACT knockoff 16c anywhere on the planet is among the best evidence for mircea_popescu's hypothesis that 'no one programs'
phf: nobody's going to go out of their way to satisfy the needs of 100 people or so, who are also temperamentally ascetics
phf: except for medici of course
phf: but we have shortage of those
ascii_field: those ran out long ago.
BingoBoingo: Preemptive cookies for Jurov http://api.ning.com/files/q4DlaPxOl30An1vq5BH1xup*L3TjUhA*VuHXVLNC7b7OyRIS6ii9zq14GkCVv9LP5zzdXiWZAHQMdUfck0wMd7hYnqDQdplV/CareBearandRainbowTray.JPG
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1LY4iSO )
jurov: aw my eyes
phf: !up ascii_field
phf: ascii_field: have you used calc at all?
ascii_field: aha
ascii_field: thing is, i like doing things away from computer.
jurov never heard of derive.exe before ... such abject poverty
ascii_field: jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=01-09-2015#1258008 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 01-09-2015 03:05:59; asciilifeform: ;;later tell gernika http://loper-os.org/pub/derive_and_more.img.gz << floppy image containing PROPER msdos, sys utils (for making more of self), himem, edit, qbasic, buncha other stuff, and Derive.
jurov: yes saw it, kudos!
ascii_field: it will boot on raw iron or on any reasonable emulator
phf: i'm disappointed that amazon caved and went the retard route with their kindle. i've gotten as far as booting temacs on kindle, back when it still had a shitty but hardware keyboard, gave up when i saw version two with touch screen, left in disgusts when fire came out
ascii_field: phf: 'dx' was imho the only usable machine from them
ascii_field: everything else - dross
phf: i have a hand rolled version of instapaper that takes html articles and adds them to a periodic readinglist.mobi. same for b-a logs. in fact i read most of the stuff on kindle, far away from a real computer.. ☟︎
trinque: ! DOS toys
phf: but that goes with the whole "market of 100 people"
phf: https://pro.sony.com/bbsc/ssr/product-DPTS1/?PID=I:digitalpaper:digitalpaperproductpage target market lawyers, government and "higher ed"
ascii_field: phf: iirc this is a piece of shit
ascii_field: it runs winblows
ascii_field: it also has laughably low res
ascii_field: (nothing close to 300 dpi)
phf: probably could be reversed, but at the price point nobody with that amount of free time will bother. there's a chinese firmware hack, that replaces kindle's os
ascii_field: i had this on my dx, they are invariably shit
ascii_field: full of supposedly-tolerable 'minor imperfections' like most opensource garbage
BingoBoingo: http://www.mysanantonio.com/lifestyle/article/College-junior-rides-her-Barbie-Jeep-adound-6478450.php#photo-8564704
assbot: Texas State student rides her Barbie Jeep around campus after DWI arrest, Internet loves it - San Antonio Express-News ... ( http://bit.ly/1POa0o7 )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99380 @ 0.00069508 = 69.0771 BTC [+] {2}
phf: imho that was the first wave of retards in linux the whole "linux on desktop" thing, shifted massive amounts of resources towards догоним и перегоним. instead of bullet proof fvwm or whatever, you now have a dozen of windows ripoffs with "minor imperfections", but don't worry there's a libfoo that adds exposé support to your terminal characters
ascii_field: this was a plague for many many years
ascii_field: starting with gnome/kde
ascii_field: but with regards to 'chinese firmware' i meant the opposite end of the plague
ascii_field: 'none of the buttons work but that's ok, you can press morse with power switch to scroll'
phf: hehehe
ascii_field: aka 'linux on laptops'
shinohai: The most 'murican gun ever BingoBoingo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTy-Z6rBMLQ
assbot: Video: CAIR-FL Calls New Assault Weapon Inscribed with Bible Verse a ‘Shameful Marketing Ploy’ - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1POauuh )
ascii_field: what's it say? 'i come not with peace but a sword' ?
ascii_field: 'eye for eye' ?
phf: http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/09/28/article-0-18565E9200000578-190_634x424.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1POaFWG )
trinque: "deter muslim terrorists" lol
phf: this is probably not the best example but there's only so much time you can spend googling "ak-47 allah" at a packed lebanese cafe
BingoBoingo: shinohai: "And the Egyptians shall know that I am the LORD."?
trinque: http://www.spikestactical.com/crusader-w12-mlok-dynacomp-2-p-1319.html
assbot: Crusader w/12 M-LOK & Dynacomp 2 [STR5525-M2D] - $1,395.00 : Spikes Tactical ... ( http://bit.ly/1POaSJk )
shinohai: Hell, having a bible verse on a rifle discourages *me* from using it.
ascii_field: l0l this reminds me of the 'hello kitty' rifle
BingoBoingo: shinohai: "Kill the bullock before the LORD ... bring the blood, and sprinkle the blood round about upon the altar."?
ascii_field: popularly bought by wife to discourage husband from hogging it at target practice day
ascii_field: srsly, walk into any u.s. gun shop, there they are, bright-pink kalash, etc
phf: http://www.riflegear.com/blogimages/ShootingKitty1.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1POb4Z1 )
trinque: http://biblehub.com/tsk/psalms/144-1.htm
assbot: Psalm 144:1 TSK: Blessed be the LORD, my rock, who trains my hands for battle and my fingers for warfare, ... ( http://bit.ly/1POb5we )
trinque: Blessed be the LORD, my rock, Who trains my hands for war, And my fingers for battle;
trinque: http://www.spikestactical.com/images/crusader-5_04.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1O0EBjK )
trinque: danielpbarron: found your gun ^
trinque: !up ascii_field
BingoBoingo: shinohai: "And there came out a fire from the LORD, and consumed the two hundred and fifty men that offered incense."?
shinohai: Maybe danielpbarron can tell us if it fulfills a prophecy. Bible is out of my league.
shinohai: Though I do want a copy of that "Queen James" Bible translation to keep on the shelf for when Mormons come over.r
jurov: I'd play safe and had a Greek one. That one's passable for Catholics and Protestants too
BingoBoingo: ^
BingoBoingo: Also greek allows maximum trollage when you tell Missionaries the original text isn't all that exciting
shinohai: lol
trinque: these gun-toting christians hate socialism, so I like them just fine ☟︎
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16485 @ 0.00069694 = 11.4891 BTC [+]
trinque: http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/03/europe/migration-crisis-aylan-kurdi-turkey-canada/ << meanwhile the propaganda machine says "save the poor syrian refugees!"
shinohai: I honest;y don't have a problem with most, except the real real fundies
jurov: http://www.amazon.com/The-Queen-James-Bible/dp/0615724531 lol it actually exists
assbot: The Queen James Bible: 9780615724539: Amazon.com: Books ... ( http://bit.ly/1POcrH7 )
trinque: shinohai: I see it as just another way to line people up into some semblance of a command structure
shinohai: Onward Christian Soldiers
phf: trinque: my main issue with fundamentalists and their ilk is that they are busybodies and tend to get into other people's business. none of that "render unto caesar". not to mention that the whole badass christian patriarch stance is pathetic, because its false.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57568 @ 0.00069906 = 40.2435 BTC [+]
trinque: phf: I can see that point, but I see the problem as a matter of what rules are imposed, not that they are imposed. ☟︎
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45677 @ 0.00070866 = 32.3695 BTC [+] {3}
trinque: the alternative at least in the US seems to be this social-media narcissism which feels not just justified but entitled to arbitrary beliefs
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25716 @ 0.00071293 = 18.3337 BTC [+] {2}
joecool: !up ascii_field
trinque: phf: also elaborate if you would on how the "badass christian patriarch" is false?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20700 @ 0.00069085 = 14.3006 BTC [-] {3}
ascii_field: trinque: no shortage of this. picture the 'patriarch' in usg divorce court
ascii_field: or in usg jail for having 'eye for an eye'-d
ascii_field: or 10,001 other exercises of his would-be pashtunism ☟︎
ascii_field: which end in a sore starfish and little else
trinque: wouldn't he say that he'd like the laws changed further in his favor in those cases?
ascii_field: would like a pony also.
trinque: but yes, not much he can do here and now
trinque: and most of these people don't see that the american system resulted in precisely that predicament
ascii_field: they happily send their sons to army so they can 'die for a fat bitch's right to marry her dog'
BingoBoingo: !b 8 ✂︎
assbot: Last 8 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1HSJP9H.txt )
trinque: yep, I was briefly interested in this "Oath Keepers" thing, but they're ironically exactly the white counterpart to #blacklivesmatter
joecool: hrm, was I purged from the WoT graph? catching up on trilema and the logs that appears to be the case?
trinque: marching around, yes with guns, but for display
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-08-2015#1234850 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 11-08-2015 13:45:47; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the original story with these is that they were simply a group of officers who... took an oath
BingoBoingo: !gettrust joecool
assbot: Trust relationship from user BingoBoingo to user joecool: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 4 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=BingoBoingo&to=joecool | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/joecool/
joecool: http://trilema.com/2015/a-new-lordship-list/ <
assbot: A new Lordship List ? on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LYer1O )
trinque: "should they later find the time, interest and inclination to contribute substantially (as I have no doubt any actually could), there's going to be more revisions."
BingoBoingo: Ah, subtracted for low activity, and lack of any specific known pledge of allegience it seems joecool
BingoBoingo: !gettrust assbot joecool
assbot: Trust relationship from user assbot to user joecool: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=joecool | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/joecool/
BingoBoingo: Still got that level 2 swag though
joecool: I don't speak too often in here, but I do like to keep up with things ☟︎
joecool: nice job with qntra.net by the way, I read that daily
BingoBoingo: Thanks.
BingoBoingo: I just try not to suck.
trinque: this "syrian toddler" thing is everywhere. must be time for war
ascii_field: trinque: how else to get american airforce into the meatgrinder, for ru to practice on
joecool: Best to have realistic goals I suppose. The bitcoin news sites that suck group is pretty crowded anyway
ascii_field: been far too long since vietnam, neither side even remembers what the other looks like, other than from old photos
trinque: haha, maybe we'll have a nice reunion soon
trinque: seems you could draw us back into the middle east, meanwhile hit us economically like china seems to be doing, and that's it ☟︎
trinque: our DC idiots will probably walk right into it
trinque: http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Europe/2015/0903/Putin-showcases-Russia-s-pivot-to-Asia-as-he-visits-China-for-WWII-parade << making a point to appear together more often
assbot: Putin showcases Russia's pivot to Asia as he visits China for WWII parade - CSMonitor.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1LYgy5y )
mats: 14:30:38 <+ascii_field> times 1,001 in a year or less << aliexpress?
ascii_field: mats: were you paying attention when i specifically mentioned ancient hardware ?
ascii_field: fine me a ~USED~ sherline four-jaw lathe chuck on ali.
mats: touchy
ascii_field: find me a 2007 amd opteron socket-1207 cpu on ali.
trinque: http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/171894038739?ul_noapp=true&chn=ps&lpid=82
assbot: Used HP 200LX PC 2MB RAM w Agilent Wave Viewer Card | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1LYheIb )
ascii_field: trinque: i am listing only objects i already have
ascii_field: and that cannot be had anywhere other than ebay.
trinque: ah; well this thing looks cool
ascii_field: 'have good luck and know someone selling it' is not an alternative
ascii_field: i have shit luck and don't know anyone who has anything i want.
trinque: 0 results found for macivory, so we searched for m ivory << no kidding
ascii_field: trinque: some items even on ebay i had to wait for years to find.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261614 << more like recent decade. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 18:26:06; ascii_field: phun phakt: in recent year or so, 'paypal' will simply sit on a transaction for three weeks, collecting interest from the money.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: 2014 rule
kakobrekla: in yurop is different, every country has online flea markets in their own language, many of them quite obscure. you find many gems if you can navigate that.
mircea_popescu: "oh,. bitcoin needs larger blocks, because to compete with paypal's three week poayment processing!!1"
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i suspect that won't last too long.
ascii_field: kakobrekla: i buy things that literally one out of a million people has to sell.
ascii_field: kakobrekla: and i don't have a sotheby's budget to do it with, either.
ascii_field: hence ebay.
kakobrekla: but its most often taht you need to drive to pick it up as seller doesnt give a shit to post it, even if you offer pay.
phf: trinque: modern christian position on divorce, on a role of a woman in household, on a role of man in household, on premarital sex, all sham. fundamentally there's no belief in the bible. no first world christian guy would even consider living according to bible in, say, muslim style. so what constitutes badassery? hunting from a back of a pickup, or "i was linebacker 30 years ago"? ☟︎
kakobrekla: ascii_field i have found one in a million things there that ebay could not provide.
ascii_field: kakobrekla: same. many times
trinque: phf: eh, I don't think you know my rednecks
ascii_field: kakobrekla: but when i ~do~ find the magic artifact, it is 100% on ebay.
trinque: not saying I believe in the bible myself, but they do, and have read and studied it
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: this is not because ebay is a great thing, but because it has killed everything else remotely comparable.
ascii_field: long, long ago
phf: trinque: tell your redneck to go to his church and say out loud that he beliefs that divorce is a sin, that woman that initiates a divorce can no be redeemed in the eyes of god, etc.
phf: *believes
thestringpuller: http://insidebitcoins.com/news/erik-voorhees-defends-coinbase-at-texas-bitcoin-conference/34638 << is voorhees going to the dark side?
trinque: they do.
trinque: there's a whole other world outside the cities, and its not all inbred
kakobrekla: even got an item for 500e on one such obscure place, an item that surfaces on ebay once a year and goes for 5k.
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: going, going, gone. in 2012.
pete_dushenski: kakobrekla: fiat 500e ? the electric one ?
kakobrekla: 500euros
phf: trinque: i don't have a reference for that rednecks that i go snowboarding and sometimes hunting with are not very religious. they just say all the tv talking points, abortion, gays, liberal elite, etc.
kakobrekla: :)
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: ever since the S.DICE thing?
phf: trinque: but i'm thinking specifically of ~christian~ communities rather then rednecks specifically. my reference point are friends whose parents are "active in church" or work as missionaries abroad
phf: and they seem to be as contemptible as any liberal suburban family, just with some polarities switched
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: ever since he chose not to show up here and get in the wot
trinque: phf: I know christians that believe the man's the head of the house, and that one is to follow the bible literally
trinque: one's that would get along with danielpbarron
trinque: *ones
jurov: i have met him personally in timisoara (and his trophy gf), did not look like a good fit
ascii_field: voorhes ?
jurov: yes
trinque: phf: I see the beliefs themselves less relevant than the command structure implied by them
ascii_field: hasn't he revealed himself to be a spammer piece of shit ?
jurov: voorhees was on 1st conf
trinque: somebody could figure out a way to do something interesting with that.
ascii_field does not know voorhes personally, but distinctly recalls that the man was embroiled in spam
jurov: well.. wences casares was there, too, not sure if it was the same eyar
ascii_field: jurov: iirc from mircea_popescu's article, that was one of the people there
pete_dushenski: xapohead went to timisoara ?!
jurov: yes he did
pete_dushenski: nuts
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: History
BingoBoingo: It's a weird thing
pete_dushenski: the only thing new...
jurov: i had a bit heated discussion with him that it the wallet users don't own the privkeys, wtf is that all about
thestringpuller: !gettrust evoorhees
assbot: Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user evoorhees: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 1 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=thestringpuller&to=evoorhees | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/evoorhees/
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: ^^^ he's in wot...
ascii_field: jurov: i was never able to conceive of casares as anything other than a 'wallet-inspector' sc4mz0r
jurov: well.. if i hadn't met you in person, i'd have very different image too :)
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: good digging, i suspected he might've been, but search for 'voorhees' on btcalpha drew up a blank
kakobrekla: voorhees and casares were at the first meet
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: upon further review, he's evorhees isn't in assbot's l2, so i guess he's not in the wot after all.
kakobrekla: they saw kako is in reality a nice guy and left the place.
pete_dushenski: that ~would~ be pretty disappointing
jurov was watching mpoe-pr aka hanbot in action, riding her tablet
mats: jurov: have an eta for coinbr availability?
jurov: have pinpointed the cause, tomorrow evening likely
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10150 @ 0.00071395 = 7.2466 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
thestringpuller: “Now, everyone sees this as a critical topic. I know of more than 100 firms that are trying to make the blockchain more scalable, more secure, to make the one that everybody will use. There’s a race on out there.”
thestringpuller: from >> http://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2015-09-01/blythe-masters-tells-banks-the-blockchain-changes-everything
midnightmagic: a.k.a. scamcoin developers
shinohai: ^
btcdrak: Mike Hearn seems sad in this post: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/bitcoin-xt/IWg3JHvOWJo
assbot: Google Groupes ... ( http://bit.ly/1JF0jGX )
BingoBoingo: In other news Obama jerked off a fish. http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/03/politics/obama-salmon-spawning-alaska/index.html
assbot: Salmon spawns on Obama in Alaska - CNNPolitics.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1JF0rpU )
ascii_field: btcdrak: that thing appears to require login
jurov: "He was happy to see me," Obama added.
shinohai: "Of course this doesn't help mining pools. They would need to find ways to sink the DoS attacks themselves." LOL
kakobrekla: some read logz lol? http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=16-08-2015#1240070 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 16-08-2015 17:54:18; kakobrekla: wheres that ddoser now, could be put to good use
btcdrak: Oh let me screencap it then
BingoBoingo: It's official, Obama like Kanye West loves fish sticks and is in fact a gay fish.
kakobrekla: lol@'version collector'
btcdrak: Here: http://i.imgur.com/cM8Y4KD.png it's so ludicrous. Give you an insight into how Mike actually thinks
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KumX8H )
mircea_popescu: aww.
mike_c: oh gavin.. "... which should eventually evolve into "download, check for valid signatures, and automatically upgrade" code (yet another feature that I think it is pretty clear people want that can't make it past the Core idea review process)."
kakobrekla: hearn >
kakobrekla: My nodes got hit with 25 GBit/sec. The university firewall handled it like a pro, but I was forced to shut off my nodes. Due to the security implications (I guess DDoS attacks are a security risk now?) I'll have to fight to get them back up again.
kakobrekla: lol
mircea_popescu: herp. so he's mooching bw and everything from maryland ?
ascii_field: wai wat
ascii_field: hearn is with shi et al now ?!
pete_dushenski: garzik re 'bip100' reddit convo : This is mostly pre-feedback, transcribing the discussion documentation into a technical specification. The doc & spec & code will evolve from here, based on community feedback and testing."
mircea_popescu: ascii_field the us is a tiny, parochial space
mircea_popescu: there's like... a huffingluepost and so forth.
ascii_field: tiny more from the fact that it compresses so well
ascii_field: just about whole thing is tied with identical pieces
ascii_field: *tiled
btcdrak: mike_c: autoupdate has been discussed a lot in Core, and is absolutely out of the questions because of the security implications.
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
deedbot-: [Qntra] Obama Brings Fish to Orgasm In Alaska Vacation Hijinks - http://qntra.net/2015/09/obama-brings-fish-to-orgasm-in-alaska-vacation-hijinks/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7150 @ 0.00071395 = 5.1047 BTC [+]
ascii_field: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5JgnMJzCtQ
assbot: The Swarm Manned Aerial Vehicle Multirotor Super Drone Flying - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1KNgfJp )
ascii_field: ~somebody~ reads the logz
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261703 <<this never worked for me. because i don't just read, i have a tree of activites. it's not even a tree, its a graph, with cycles. line in log leads to documentation or to article writing half the time. and tablets are unusable for any purpose other than tv ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 19:17:20; phf: i have a hand rolled version of instapaper that takes html articles and adds them to a periodic readinglist.mobi. same for b-a logs. in fact i read most of the stuff on kindle, far away from a real computer..
mircea_popescu: in fact... that's imo the driver behind "smartphone" (tablets y compris) : here, have this lighter tv screen you can shove in your ass.
mircea_popescu: when all is said and done, "the people themselves" do not want a computer but a tv set.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i use a (very large) tablet thing to read djvu scans, and (occasionally) hyperlinkified therealbitcoin src. that's it.
mircea_popescu: and if you have to check out a poem ? drop back to desktop ?>
ascii_field: poem also works on it
mircea_popescu: how do you tell it what poem
ascii_field: but frustrating
ascii_field: for the reason you pointed out.
mircea_popescu: aha.
ascii_field: no adequate input.
ascii_field: (though the thing has provisions for an external keyboard, in principle)
mircea_popescu: but the only comfortable position for keyboarding is sitting
mircea_popescu: by which point...
ascii_field: aha
ascii_field: hence it is strictly for reading a particular item.
ascii_field: at the same time i ~would~ like a >300 dpi screen on real computer
mircea_popescu: what i would like is if they stopped dicking around and made holo displays already
ascii_field: l0l wtf for
mircea_popescu: all this "2d view of a 3d world" shit is for the birds./
ascii_field: i want to see transparently through my display like i want a second arse.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field for proper graph display. imagine mike's wot graph in 3d.
ascii_field: this is one of those things that ~sounds~ great until you do it.
mircea_popescu: i want a 1 cubic metre display. dun care so much about dpi
ascii_field: i used to wear a 3dvisor for a living.
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mircea_popescu: it can be 60 dpi, as long as it's 1 cu m
ascii_field: it isn't fun.
mircea_popescu: no. the "3d visor" is still 2d.
ascii_field: was a high-end silicongraphics thing
mircea_popescu: doesn't matter.
mircea_popescu: i mean it, actual 3d display.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: to walk around it ?
mircea_popescu: they can use magnetics to create tiny refraction surfaces in mid air
mircea_popescu: YES!
mircea_popescu: so i could fucking think WITH a computer for once.
ascii_field: over the years i conceived of several designs for such a thing. because i, too, wanted one.
ascii_field: but strictly the kind mircea_popescu describes - with true three-axis box
mircea_popescu: none of that fake "3d in 2d" bs. actual 3d display. i need an[other] electric car like i need another hairdo.
mircea_popescu: THIS is what's needed.
ascii_field: i did realize, though, that there is nothing to connect it to.
mircea_popescu: lisp machine.
mircea_popescu would like to say THAT web2.0. the proper one. "cube webpages"
mircea_popescu: anyway. magnetic bottle exists, there's no fucking excuse. not like any sort of quantum leap is required. just index and miniaturize.
ascii_field: only thing is, when viewing text i need it to be opaque.
ascii_field: 100% opaque.
ascii_field: otherwise it is like reading on plastic bag.
mircea_popescu: aha.
mircea_popescu: look : if it can keep gas in, it should be able to keep light out
ascii_field: this design approach makes hot fusion look easy.
ascii_field: realize, nothing in, e.g., a tokamak, is ever dense enough to become anything like opaque.
mircea_popescu: the real problem here is that ... well... no rich people left. nobody to say "fuck you, either make this and you get one trillion, or i spend a trillion torturing your families. you have one year."
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: see also http://www.loper-os.org/?p=35
assbot: Loper OS » The Glove Box ... ( http://bit.ly/1KNirR7 )
ascii_field: very old turd i wrote
pete_dushenski: http://imgur.com/a/VMbQ7 << turkmeni curio ☟︎
assbot: Turkmenistan - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1KNizQE )
ascii_field: 'In the marble streets of Ashgabat, we soon grow a bit tired and sweaty. In theory, we could rest a bit inside one of the many bus stops, designed to be air-conditioned. The air-conditioning has stopped working, so instead they are now glass ovens where you can bake yourself. We decide to wait outside. ' << orc win !
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261775 << ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 20:13:18; ascii_field: or 10,001 other exercises of his would-be pashtunism
mircea_popescu: !s rotherham
assbot: 7 results for 'rotherham' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=rotherham
mircea_popescu: sore starfish alright.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field: they happily send their sons to army so they can 'die for a fat bitch's right to marry her dog' << wow. that, right there, is more valuable to orlov's employer than orlov's entire body of work to date. mebbe you get job offers nao. ☟︎
mircea_popescu fantasises at the dystopia where alf writes PR for a living.
mircea_popescu: !gettrust joecool
assbot: Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user joecool: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 3 via 5 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=mircea_popescu&to=joecool | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/joecool/
phf: kindle solves specific problem of my eyes getting tired of staring at backlit screen
mircea_popescu: phf other solution to that is to kill the backlight.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261798 << ah, nuttin wrong with that. but the l1 is more active an affair. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 20:21:03; joecool: I don't speak too often in here, but I do like to keep up with things
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261999 << l0l i stole the text from mircea_popescu ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 22:33:16; mircea_popescu: ascii_field: they happily send their sons to army so they can 'die for a fat bitch's right to marry her dog' << wow. that, right there, is more valuable to orlov's employer than orlov's entire body of work to date. mebbe you get job offers nao.
ascii_field: !s marry her dog
assbot: 2 results for 'marry her dog' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=marry+her+dog
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261807 << once man starts thinking strategically, all sorts of patterns emerge huh ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 20:28:51; trinque: seems you could draw us back into the middle east, meanwhile hit us economically like china seems to be doing, and that's it
mircea_popescu: ascii_field wut ? i said that ?
ascii_field: apparently
mircea_popescu: hahaha
mircea_popescu: ok, ladies and gents, this here is what narcissism actually is, at its peak.
mircea_popescu: i like my shit so much!
ascii_field: lulz
ascii_field: i'm pretty sure i have done this.
mircea_popescu: no but i meant metaphorically
phf: mircea_popescu: how do i kill a backlight?
ascii_field: 'this is spiffy, i wish i'd written it' - 'waitasec, i did write it'
mircea_popescu: ascii_field :p
mircea_popescu: phf this screen rightnao i have at 6300K and 0.375 gamma
mircea_popescu: it's a pleasure.
ascii_field: phf: what do you have that is readable without a backlight?
phf: ascii_field: kindle
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: unless you have a 'eizo' or 'barco', those numbers have very tenuous relation to physical reality
ascii_field: but are more like the dial of a washing machine
mircea_popescu: the 6300K thing is WAY more important than anyone realises. and cutting down on the gamma helps loads.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field this is a lg
ascii_field: i tend to run even 'redder'
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mircea_popescu: aha. blue is the fatiguer. and, of course, goes without saying, small fonts.
kakobrekla: so 'blue light makes you more alert' or someshit science is bogus?
mircea_popescu: more alert and more tired correlate anyway
mircea_popescu: anyway, i have nfi what "alert" means. but fatigue is defined.
joecool: overstimulation leads to fatigue/exhaustion sort of thing"
kakobrekla: some go as far as to treat jetlag with that
mircea_popescu: none of the bitches that tan are as alert as the bitches that don't.
mircea_popescu: so dunno.
mircea_popescu: joecool turns out people have very different tolerances to far-blue and UV. it's a function of the quality of filtering they got which is mostly genetics.
mircea_popescu: anyway, as a rule of thumb, the bluer a light runs the cheaper it is and the shittier too. as phillips' been driving its crusade to replace all lights with shittier lights to complete the precious indications given at the 18th plenary of the permanent comission of the central committee of the economic planning bureau
mircea_popescu: it'd be expected that the central authority for communication and propaganda pumps out supporting evidence through its respective organs
joecool: !up ascii_field
phf: i've over optimized in the direction of making kindle work for me, but it is like looking through peephole. i solve the whole branching problem by relying on their notes feature: whatever you select on kindle gets saved to a text file that gets copied into my notes during sync. correspondingly my article saving mechanism converts all links to title (url) form, so i can follow up when on desktop
phf: now that i verbalize it, it's totally a programmer rabbit hole, probably should've just fixed my monitor..
BingoBoingo: https://i.imgur.com/6tvB8Q3.png
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1KNm3CO )
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joecool: we run 2750K incandescent bulbs in my office
mircea_popescu: phf i think 2/3 of the benefit regulars derive from being here is this sort of thing
mircea_popescu: great retort BingoBoingo
mircea_popescu: this is so typical of fucktard on a mission. "science is bad mkay" except if anyone disagrees with "what is your degree".
BingoBoingo: Just found it online searching the hotsheets.
mircea_popescu: because hey, nothing beats living in TWO DIFFERENT parallel if entirely imaginary universes.
BingoBoingo: https://www.insidehighered.com/quicktakes/2015/09/03/harvard-will-let-students-select-pronouns << Can't wait for the student who selects fuck, piss, shit, and cunt as their pronoun set
assbot: Harvard Will Let Students Select Pronouns | InsideHigherEd ... ( http://bit.ly/1KNn1yH )
BingoBoingo: !up ghtdak
fluffypony: http://www.coindesk.com/african-remittance-beam-drops-bitcoin-pivot/
assbot: African Remittance Firm Beam Stops Bitcoin Service in Pivot ... ( http://bit.ly/1KNoK78 )
fluffypony: so I've literally been saying for ages that Africa is far from ready to "embrace" Bitcoin, and half the continent won't want it anyway, but nooooo, nobody listens to me, they all want to shovel Bitcoin down Africa's throat
shinohai: r/bitcoin wants to shove BTC down everyone's throat.
fluffypony: yeah
fluffypony: *ADOPTION*!
shinohai: They are like undertakers reading morning obituaries, hoping to find a failing economy to rescue.
shinohai: For whatever reason.
cazalla: fluffypony, you don't want black africans to have bitcoin, you rascally racist
fluffypony: rahzizt
fluffypony: cazalla: it's not even me, Africans don't want Bitcoin because they're quite happy dealing in cash and not paying tax ☟︎
shinohai: Africa: https://i.imgur.com/hEaFeKp.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JFi6Oc )
BingoBoingo: http://0.media.dorkly.cvcdn.com/60/94/2c4f7c1e69f3dd5003d473e32626c54e.gif
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JFi8Wl )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5453 @ 0.00071446 = 3.896 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48767 @ 0.0007165 = 34.9416 BTC [+] {5}
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260745 << missed the boat on fats though ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 02:47:29; mircea_popescu: trinque i'll give you an extra lol. recently the source of the "salt is bad mkay", ie the ustardemia, came out with an admission of the fraudulent nature of that entire swathe of "research". this however has not yet reached the latino "scientists" who mostly exist through translating things and pretending.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30900 @ 0.00071589 = 22.121 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69724 @ 0.0007175 = 50.027 BTC [+] {3}
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261404 << so are you, like, bar mitzvah'd ? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 11:35:05; shinohai: My "hacks" were mostly to wiring and such. My mother, in her nasally Jewish voice, always swore I was going to "burn myself alive in my car"
pete_dushenski: to my ear at least, 'shinohai' always sounded japanese
pete_dushenski: 'the other j-meat'
pete_dushenski: (jamaicas is other-other-)