⏐︎ 8988
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asciilifeform: adlai: aha it was a reply to http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-11-2015#1325263 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 16-11-2015 18:52:09; adlai: kakobrekla: it gets better, they timeshift mining payouts from future coinbases. it's like national debt, but with bitcoins
asciilifeform: 'national debt but with bitcoins'
adlai: you'd have trouble using CLTV to emulate govt bonds; you'd need coins ahead of time to fund the inputs
asciilifeform: http://siliconexposed.blogspot.com/2014/03/microchip-pic32mz-process-comparison-to.html << unrelated but spiffy
assbot: Silicon Exposed: Microchip PIC32MZ process vs PIC32MX ... ( http://bit.ly/1MAriCW )
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ben_vulpes: ;;isup gmane.org
gribble: gmane.org is up
asciilifeform: !up linton_s_dawson
asciilifeform: spiffy name
linton_s_dawson: asciilifeform: borrowed it from a song
linton_s_dawson: why are qntra and trilema down?
asciilifeform: ddos
mircea_popescu: either that or the dc being crazy, or the server having been stolen, or who the fuck even knows.
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BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> but i'm developing overexposure allergy to this "i don't understand anything so therefore here's my expert opinion on things" << I kinda handle it the same way one handles lower animals acting in ignorance of the futility of their efforts. Birds hitting windows, dogs barking at trains, rabbits fleeing pedestrians into traffic...
mircea_popescu: myeah/
asciilifeform: deedbot-: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/wunderwaffen.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1YfM1Dq )
deedbot-: accepted: 1
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://www.loper-os.org/pub/wunderwaffen.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1YfM1Dq )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu reads
mircea_popescu: jesus check out what this guy does.
ben_vulpes wonders if this is another of those b64-in-gpg-message-things
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: mno
BingoBoingo: http://www.foxsports.com/ufc/story/ufc-floyd-mayweather-ronda-rousey-help-her-with-boxing-jon-jones-daniel-cormier-111715
assbot: Floyd Mayweather offers to help Ronda Rousey with her boxing | FOX Sports ... ( http://bit.ly/1QLoqrW )
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BingoBoingo: From the "nailgun" files http://www.bnd.com/news/local/article45149373.html
assbot: Investigators: Why did fire victim’s car explode while he was washing it? | Belleville News-Democrat ... ( http://bit.ly/1SXbFdf )
BingoBoingo: "The new information that was disclosed Monday was that someone wrote a threatening message on the car that the victim, Howard Brown, was washing with a hose when the vehicle suddenly exploded and the gas tank caught on fire."
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ben_vulpes: what was mr brown engaged in that required a nailfun deployment?
mircea_popescu: ocean floor mining.
asciilifeform: l0l
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Living in Washington Park, its pretty ghetto. Like Mayor gets shot up at a stop sign ghetto.
BingoBoingo: brb, sleep
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liquidassets: Eat and drink with those that have great power, Sit with those, give them a plesant hour. You'll learn good from the good; those who are not, If you mix with them, spoil the sense you've got.
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liquidassets: ;;gettrust vexual
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user liquidassets to user vexual: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=liquidassets&dest=vexual | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=vexual | Rated since: never
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ben_vulpes waves to vexual
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adlai: with great power, come great energy and fewer hours
deedbot-: [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] The future for black organics. - http://www.contravex.com/2015/11/18/the-future-for-black-organics/
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ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski clever turn with "black organics"
gribble: The operation succeeded.
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punkman: http://boingboing.net/2015/11/17/drm-in-welders.html
assbot: DRM in TIG welders / Boing Boing ... ( http://bit.ly/1l55fgy )
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liquidassets: !up whaack
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punkman: "The plan involved putting up posters on commuter trains in the capital, Jakarta, stating that HIV cannot be transmitted through mosquito bites, swimming, sneezing, saliva or sweat. But the printing company dropped the word “not” from the posters"
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mircea_popescu: punkman i really wish to understand how the fuck this "X can not happen" magic started for hiv, and why it continues. ☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: how the fuck do you know it CAN'T ? for one thing, it CAN. for another thing, why the fuck is taxpayer paying for this.
mircea_popescu: a) you don't go around putting up posters saying obesity "can't" give you tuberculosis.
mircea_popescu: b) you don't go around putting up posters saying smoking can't make you stupid.
BingoBoingo: http://new.spectator.co.uk/2014/04/why-id-rather-have-hiv-than-diabetes/
assbot: As a doctor, I’d rather have HIV than diabetes » The Spectator ... ( http://bit.ly/1S3W9v7 )
mircea_popescu: i dunno, someone's catamite must have got hiv early on or something, you'd think it's been kissed by the gods, this disease.
mircea_popescu: i mean seriously, advertisement campaigns PRO hiv ? where the fuck is the "stop eating like a pig, it'll kill you and it costs us money" stuff every good socialist country filled the train stations with ?
BingoBoingo: It's a fucking train wreck
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BingoBoingo: Also, these are the mayo Groupon actually hires https://i.sli.mg/m6n3dI.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1S3WC0D )
BingoBoingo: Anyways, the way HIV is lionized it probably won't be long before the US FDA approves it as a treatment for allergies
punkman: mircea_popescu: punkman i really wish to understand how the fuck this "X can not happen" magic started for hiv, and why it continues. << starts in school when talking about STDs or disease transmission in general
mircea_popescu: nobody goes "you can't catch gonorhea from fucking 10k partners"
mircea_popescu: nobody goes "boys are pretty much immune to vd, it's the girls that get it"
mircea_popescu: what's so special about hiv ? ☟︎
davout: you eventually die from it!!11
mircea_popescu: nobody goes "fluoride, which we add to tap water, is a poison"
mircea_popescu: all sorts of actual untruths are pushed, all sorts of marginal if inconvenient truths are systematically ignored, what made this particular minor lie so popular with the "educators" ?
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mircea_popescu: http://boingboing.net/2015/11/14/copyfraud-anne-frank-foundati.html
assbot: Copyfraud: Anne Frank Foundation claims father was "co-author," extends copyright by decades / Boing Boing ... ( http://bit.ly/1PNF6yg )
mircea_popescu: heh
davout: ;;isup qntra
gribble: qntra is up
davout: lies
shinohai: What did you expect? They're Jews ^^
mircea_popescu is kinda curious whether/if someone is finally going to bite the bullet and make themselves useful by making an actual host.
mircea_popescu: incredible how THIS MUCH has been a bridge too far for what, years now.
mircea_popescu: guaranteed business, etc, what exactly is going on, raining money where you people live ? obamacare paychecks ? ☟︎
punkman: guaranteed ddos too
mircea_popescu: yes. da fuck do you care, colocate the boxes and let them ddos until they fall over.
mircea_popescu: at which point buy new ones.
asciilifeform: waitasec, i thought mircea_popescu was building the 'useful host' thing
jurov: he wants only to resell and leverage
shinohai: I'll host it on my pog xD
shinohai: *pogoplug
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i can only hire people.
punkman: maybe a good time to make a list of what "useful host" should be
mircea_popescu: that's what i do. i'm a business man. i can't actually do anything.
mircea_popescu: punkman the list is a year old, you've seen all the discussions in the logs with jurov naphex and the coupla people before i forgot ?
mircea_popescu: just colocate some god damned boxes already. ☟︎
asciilifeform: well yes, 'building' in the sense that stalin built
mircea_popescu: hey, i been tryin'.
asciilifeform: but the basic boojum is described in one of mircea_popescu's own articles: a datacenter is 'a fortress'
mircea_popescu: webtard forums are chock full of kids that "started their web host" and wanna sell stuff on a shoelace
asciilifeform: i.e. a geographic concentration suitable for enemy to pincer and destroy
mircea_popescu: wouldja forget the "basic bojum" approach ?
mircea_popescu: it's dumb, seriously.
mircea_popescu: there is no bojum, basic or otherwise. theyre's just work to fucking do!
asciilifeform: if the observation is mistaken, say how
mircea_popescu: in this : just god damned colo some boxes already. ☟︎☟︎
punkman: asciilifeform: if destroyed, you buy new ones, as mentioned above
asciilifeform: i've thought about leasing a colo personally, simply out of frustration, but i live in pretty much the worst spot for it.
mircea_popescu: wh ythe fuck would you lease in the sticks.
mircea_popescu: there's datacenters from istanbul to peshawar, what the fuck already.
asciilifeform: i'd say 'cheap' but it isn't even cheap.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-11-2015#1326110 << if 'mosquito bites, swimming, sneezing, saliva or sweat' has any measurable ability to move the virus, southeast usa would look like pripyat. with wash,.d.c. and baltimore resembling the reactor zone. and known sufferers would be imprisoned in designated leprosoria. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 18-11-2015 12:53:43; mircea_popescu: punkman i really wish to understand how the fuck this "X can not happen" magic started for hiv, and why it continues.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do you see any ads about how leprosy "can't be contacted" ?
asciilifeform: not one.
mircea_popescu: then what are we discussing.
mircea_popescu: yes, i get it, it's marginal.
jurov: anyway, no hoster will solve your problems at this stage
mircea_popescu: you got about the same chances to get hiv from someone spitting in your eye as you got from gettign cancer fro msmoking
mircea_popescu: know what i mean ?
asciilifeform: well, my guess re: the propaganda is that it was meant to counter the moo notion that 'oh i'm doomed to get it anyway from mosquito, may as well share heroin syringe'
mircea_popescu: this is how this works now ?
asciilifeform does not know what happens in the head of the moo, can only conjecture
mircea_popescu: this is not the moo
mircea_popescu: this is billayers.
asciilifeform: the mupper herders ?
asciilifeform: *muppet
mircea_popescu: the "educator" class.
mircea_popescu: whatever you call them, aparatchik v2
jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-11-2015#1326152 << when dc hears "bitcoin" they flee. i'd do it only if you agree to hide behind CDN or buy a trunk line ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 18-11-2015 13:50:54; mircea_popescu: just colocate some god damned boxes already.
asciilifeform: 'Yasuomi Hirai, 28, allegedly hid in a drain under a Kobe, Japan sidewalk grate to peep up the skirts of women as they stepped over. "His hair got caught at the edge of the grate, which drew the attention of some pedestrians," a Hyogo prefectural police officer told AFP. Hirai has been arrested previously for the same offense. According to police, Hirai told them that he wants to be reincarnated as "part of pavement in the nex
asciilifeform: t life."'
mircea_popescu: jurov do you pay your rent in btc currently ?
jurov: no, i meant when they see it's used for bitcoin--related services
jurov: not even a rent
mircea_popescu: but i dun care what you meant. i care what i meant. and what i meant is, you don't live in the street because "if landlord hears btc he flees".
mircea_popescu: this is more important, not less important. you live in the street because "renter flees" before "there's no hosting because dc flees".
mircea_popescu: and if you disagree it's more important, here's a simple plan : go buy a knife, walk to the closest cop, and stick it in his gut.
mircea_popescu: you'll get rent free acommodation without any internet access for the rest of your life.
jurov: so, go do what you mean
mircea_popescu: pick either of these worldviews, they're both needed, and stick to it. what's not needed is the waffling exemplified by "basic bojum"
mircea_popescu: and no, i don't mean personally either of you.
mircea_popescu: but the point has to be made.
mircea_popescu: "if you need anything done gotta do it yourself", eh ?
asciilifeform: 'boojum' is not a devil to be worshipped, but an engineering problem, like, e.g., resistive loss in power line
mircea_popescu: to me it just reads "here's the justification", in this case.
asciilifeform: the answer is gossipd. or, in the short term, an 'octopus' topology with server(s) behind ciphered lines connected to a constellation of private exit proxies, similar to (iirc) what was used in mpex.
mircea_popescu: whereas no justification will keep our shit online,
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asciilifeform: even the knife, i think, has a place in this. i.e. a dc where an actual wot member lives, with a rifle, would be an improvement over the present-day state of the art
shinohai would happily live in a dc with arms for the remainder of his existence ....
mircea_popescu: not unless you're actually willing to use the rifle.
asciilifeform: naturally
asciilifeform: it won't aim & fire itself.
mircea_popescu: a rifle token is anti-useful.
asciilifeform: aha.
mircea_popescu: and honestly, i am not terribly impressed with propaganda of the deed as a means to enact change.
mircea_popescu: seems to me keeping functional servers is superior.
asciilifeform: but how else do you keep weasels from ~quietly~ carting off the boxes?
asciilifeform: mine field ?
mircea_popescu: by having a bunch of them.
asciilifeform: hence the octopus. but without some physical discouragement, they will simply take the legs of the octopus one by one.
mircea_popescu: none of this is god damned rocket science already. it just needs someone to actually do it, instead of meditation.
mircea_popescu: shinohai where do you live ?
shinohai: mircea_popescu: I live in Atlanta.
mircea_popescu: well, what do you do for a living ?
shinohai: I'm "retired" due to an influx of lawsuit cash.
mircea_popescu: o.O
mircea_popescu: was this some personal injury thing, or was this where you're actually a nuisance lawyer ?
shinohai: Got injured in accident, made sorta decent payday
mircea_popescu: aha.
mircea_popescu: you ever owned a company before ?
shinohai: Unlike my fellow litigants, I hired someone to plan out my monies so I didn't have to go on dole.
shinohai: Never owned company.
mircea_popescu: so what do you do / did yo udo for a living ?
mircea_popescu: !gettrust shinohai
assbot: Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user shinohai: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 3 via 3 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=mircea_popescu&to=shinohai | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/shinohai/
shinohai: Wrote safety SOPs for companies to keep them in osha compliance ☟︎
shinohai: Someone didn't bother reading said SOP's
mircea_popescu: well, what did you go to school for ?
shinohai: Nothing, my parents thought college was a waste because Jesus was coming back or something. So, education by doing.
mircea_popescu: well, do you actually want to start a company ?
shinohai: If it is a *bitcoin* company then mayhap yes
mircea_popescu: what's your idea of bitcoin company ?
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shinohai: Something that pays entirely in sovereign bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: heh. you got some waiting to do then.
shinohai: ^.^
shinohai: But basically qntra et all need a sane place to host their respective pages? I must research this "host" thing in lawgs.
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mircea_popescu: what you, or at any rate someone, has to do is research a sane jurisdiction, register a company, find some datacenters, enter into service agreements, research some providers, buy some hardware, have it delivered etc. ☟︎
kakobrekla: but why hasnt someone done this yet? margins too thin, bitcoin too poorfags.
mircea_popescu: this is, like any "start-up my own business", a 12 to 16 hours a day sort of investment, no ifs or buts about it.
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mircea_popescu: kakobrekla "basic bojum". like everything else.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla, mircea_popescu: right now it looks rather like a 'die for the motherland!' sorta investment. hence no takerz.
kakobrekla: hehe
mircea_popescu: anyway : unlike the average start-up my own business thing (which yes, 90% fail anyway) you have some major advantages, in that you're not coming up with an idea and hoping a market finds you, but on the contrary, the fgucking market is begging you alreadyt. ☟︎
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asciilifeform: whatever happened to the old-fashioned 'bulletproof spam hosting' types ?
mircea_popescu: contrary to any justifications people use to explain to themselves why they aren't picking this very juicy, extremely low hanging fruit (which plenty might even be right in doing, but not usually for the reasons they give - it's more like, they suck at doing the slow, patient, dilligent sort of work that this, like all bureaucracy entails, etc)
kakobrekla: recent 'protonmail' ddos brought down whole datacenter, not a single box or a rack.
mircea_popescu: the fact remains it's by far juicier and lower hanging than anything they do.
kakobrekla: you need to fix internet first (check alfs drawer) then you can have cookies
mircea_popescu: noty.
kakobrekla: add to list.
mircea_popescu: this nonsense where "we have to x before we can y" is how ustardian women get to be 30+ and "waiting for a baby".
mircea_popescu: we can y. right now.
kakobrekla: go ahead.
mircea_popescu: the only reason we aren't is a) impotence ; b) no b.
asciilifeform: i mean i get it, mircea_popescu is stalin and не шагу назад and human wave attacks do have merit and occasionally do the job. but the kind of thing proposed here is inherently not a 'mass' product.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla do you understand what psychic defenses work / what they are ?
asciilifeform: it would have to cost an order of magnitude more than conventional hoster
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there is no human wave attack involved in all of this for the love of christ.
asciilifeform: so the client list would be: mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: it's just people being needed that do ~well~ things you don't like and don't understand (these two not necessarily unrelated).
kakobrekla: i am all ears
asciilifeform: hosting market is full of folks who didn't 'stupidly wait for x before y' and 'just did it.' but it seems like their offerings are not cutting it ?
mircea_popescu: i have yet to find one.
asciilifeform: wherever the old box was.
asciilifeform: and the one before it.
mircea_popescu: "hosting market" is full of what happens after you've run your magic propaganda on a market : insane kids, and americans.
asciilifeform: what i was asking is, what is to distinguish this new, magical and heroic hoster from the 1,000,001 existing ones?
asciilifeform: the mega-special love for the motherland ?
mircea_popescu: because you sit there and try and convince everyone that hey, "human wave" and "basic bojum" and whatever other avatars, because you personally need to explain to yourself why you aren't doing it. the thing is that it wouldn't be your job to do ANYWAY! this needs no fucking explaining already.
mircea_popescu: but it is irresponsible, bcause what's left after all that poison, is all the people for whom it'd be a great job and a great living not doing it.
mircea_popescu: and since the demand still exists, what fill it are marginal drug addicts/teenagers/random idiots,
mircea_popescu: ie, society's always-on sclerotic tissue.
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asciilifeform: i get it, 'stfu about the line of german pillboxes already, you're demoralizing the men'
mircea_popescu: mno.
mircea_popescu: stfu about how you need a robotic hand to turn on the tap to have a drink of water.
mircea_popescu: a) there's no "germs" and b) people have been drinking water before you were born.
mircea_popescu: and thank you very much for the credit, but if i'll actually ever need or want a "human wave", i'll fucking say that. in those words.
mircea_popescu: because i also know what words mean and that they exist, fancy that!
asciilifeform: if indeed this is a problem that merely needs 'will' to solve, and no technical improvements, i might simply be lacking the necessary lsd to grasp it.
shinohai: I have yet to try lsd, perhaps I should. >..
mircea_popescu: dude seriously... are you currently living out of your car because basic bojum with landlords ?
jurov: landlords nor water have ddos potential. try harder, mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: orly, they don't ?
mircea_popescu: !s slovenia floods
assbot: 0 results for 'slovenia floods' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=slovenia+floods
mircea_popescu: awww. gotta travel more.
asciilifeform: if my house got routinely 'ddosed' (e.g. the classic dump-gravel-in-his-road trick) again and again, may very well be reduced to living in a car.
mircea_popescu: !s argentina floods
assbot: 0 results for 'argentina floods' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=argentina+floods
jurov: floods can be fucking insured against
mircea_popescu: odd, i thought the icazu thing was mentioned.
shinohai: !s Guatemalan floods
assbot: 0 results for 'Guatemalan floods' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=Guatemalan+floods
mircea_popescu: jurov business is business yo. everything can be fucking insured against.
jurov: mircea_popescu: age you going to insure me for ddos if rent a box?
jurov: *are
mircea_popescu: me ?
asciilifeform: afaik, offering a guarantee against ddosing is cost-prohibitive. and insuring against ddos is 'moral hazard' as one can ddos self without leaving evidence.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform same is true of floods.
jurov: mircea_popescu: anyone. i just want to inllustrate your poor analogies
asciilifeform: aha which is why 'flood insurance' is the domain of usg
mircea_popescu: sooo... how are my analogies poor.
jurov: how can be ddos === flood if noone will insure the former?
mircea_popescu: ektbe
mircea_popescu: "no one will insure either" "everyone will insure both to the same degree".
jurov: "at all" is now just a difference of degree?
asciilifeform: afaik no one has ever artificially caused a flood to claim flood insurance
asciilifeform: nor is this a practical thing
mircea_popescu: we kinda need to stop this conversation based on what you imagine the world could be, it's unpleasant.
jurov: indeed it is unpleasant
mircea_popescu: no, to you it's unpleasant for the right reasons. to me it's unpleasant for the wrong reasons.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88343 @ 0.000513 = 45.32 BTC [+]
shinohai: This guy caused a flood, for entirely different reasons: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Scott_(criminal)
assbot: James Scott (criminal) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1OQkKWz )
shinohai: still!
mircea_popescu: shinohai you don't understand the magical power of "afaik" in defense of the holy "basic bojum".
asciilifeform: shinohai: 'i heard that ivan won a car in the lotto.' 'yes! but not ivan but piotr, not a car but an overcoat, not in lotto but at cards, and not won but lost' ☟︎☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: what are you talking about!
asciilifeform: 'flood but not for insurance'
mircea_popescu: and you know this how ?
mircea_popescu: afaik ?
asciilifeform: i have nfi.
mircea_popescu: no meta-nsa active here ?
mircea_popescu: wouldn't you expect if i hired a tramp to flood my business for the insurance his story would be "he wanted to strand his wife so he could fish and have an affair" ?
asciilifeform: when i say 'afaik' i really mean it. open to being shown the counterexample. or at least proof-of-existence
asciilifeform: but yes, it is possible to cause a flood. but can this be compared with the ease of setting up a ddos, and untraceably ?
mircea_popescu: sometimes. some other times you mean you've just said something on the basis of self-perceived needs, not on the basis of reality.
asciilifeform: reality as seen through this 2cm hole in this here tank.
mircea_popescu: the quantification argument is really fucking stupid already. who the fuck cares if "ddos".
mircea_popescu: so the server gets backed up. ok. so ?
asciilifeform: so if no problem, buy a class B ip block, and have all 16 bits of it be trilema.
mircea_popescu: ...
asciilifeform: distributed among N conventional boxes.
mircea_popescu: which is what we're here trying to do.
asciilifeform: ddos is really an artifact of dns
mircea_popescu: thanks for finally giving it the permission to be ? i guess ?
asciilifeform: sorta what i meant by 'human wave' - which i've no problem with personally
mircea_popescu: sigh.
mircea_popescu: what "human wave" means is that those people are going to get killed.
asciilifeform signed up to be killed, still waiting, even this is slow nowadays
mircea_popescu: on examination i have no fucking idea what i've been spending my time on for the past coupla hours,
mircea_popescu: but let's suppose it must have been worthwhile.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3220 @ 0.00051234 = 1.6497 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 160155 @ 0.00051076 = 81.8008 BTC [-] {3}
jurov: effectively using class B is very different thing from "just get me a box somewhere".. if mircea_popescu specifies the latter, then no wonder time is wasted
mircea_popescu: !s "just get me a box somewhere"
assbot: 0 results for '"just get me a box somewhere"' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=%22just+get+me+a+box+somewhere%22
mircea_popescu: !s "company"
assbot: 3417 results for '"company"' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=%22company%22
jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-11-2015#1326162 << this ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 18-11-2015 13:52:49; mircea_popescu: in this : just god damned colo some boxes already.
mircea_popescu: and ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17821 @ 0.00051017 = 9.0917 BTC [-] {3}
thestringpuller: a whole week of ddos
thestringpuller: how uncanny, and annoying
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28729 @ 0.00050829 = 14.6027 BTC [-] {2}
jurov: and what? looks like you have very different idea than people who actually touched it
jurov: that's all
mircea_popescu: who are those people that "actually touched it" and what did they touch ?
mircea_popescu: i offer exactly 0 credit to this.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, got a meeting, so we're going to continue the insanity later.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65846 @ 0.00051053 = 33.6164 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71800 @ 0.0005079 = 36.4672 BTC [-] {4}
kakobrekla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpsT12dSbMw ☟︎
assbot: Cats stroll G20 summit venue during live transmission - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1MmmTpd )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 107700 @ 0.00051613 = 55.5872 BTC [+] {4}
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: cheers :)
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-11-2015#1325797 << enjoyable read ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 17-11-2015 13:45:44; punkman: http://pseudoerasmus.com/2014/10/24/szabo-china/
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-11-2015#1325800 << even more splendid analysis thereof ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 17-11-2015 13:57:52; mircea_popescu: anyway, the guy has a point, and szabo's theory is not merely just silly, it's a sympthom of a larger western pathology (he's basically looking for an excuse, ANY excuse, just as long as it doesn't come to *a better quality of people*, because he's nuts with this racism bullcrap like the rest of the anglos.)
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-11-2015#1326110 << same party line with bed bugs, as it happens. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 18-11-2015 12:53:43; mircea_popescu: punkman i really wish to understand how the fuck this "X can not happen" magic started for hiv, and why it continues.
pete_dushenski: 'public health'-tards INSIST that these rather robust blood sucking insects CANNOT TRANSMIT DISEASE ☟︎
pete_dushenski: because absence of evidence is evidence of absence in their small, small mental worlds
thestringpuller: oh pete_dushenski you so cray cray
thestringpuller: quoting the boondocks
pete_dushenski: oh. did i ?
thestringpuller: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_w5JqQLqqTc
thestringpuller: ^- see for yourself ;)
pete_dushenski: lol cartoonists read taleb (and ancients) eh
pete_dushenski: and/or are fans of rumsfeld
thestringpuller: and pulp fiction
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-11-2015#1326126 << if rumours are to be believed, then the star of 'hot shots part deux', charlie sheen, is what's so special about hiv ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 18-11-2015 13:25:18; mircea_popescu: what's so special about hiv ?
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: i need to rewatch pulp fiction. i can barely recall it, it's been so long.
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtXF2j5JAds << the relevant part
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-11-2015#1326140 << it hasn't rained much money this year, but nor has it been a decade+. so yea, making own dc is 'too hard' ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 18-11-2015 13:43:20; mircea_popescu: guaranteed business, etc, what exactly is going on, raining money where you people live ? obamacare paychecks ?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> afaik no one has ever artificially caused a flood to claim flood insurance << James Scott, but not for insurance... to strand wife
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23230 @ 0.00051477 = 11.9581 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> wouldn't you expect if i hired a tramp to flood my business for the insurance his story would be "he wanted to strand his wife so he could fish and have an affair" ? << lol
pete_dushenski: !up Jezzz
pete_dushenski: and who might you be ?
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-11-2015#1326236 << therealbitcoin testers really do come in all shapes and sizes :) ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 18-11-2015 14:16:45; shinohai: Wrote safety SOPs for companies to keep them in osha compliance
pete_dushenski: !rated shinohai
assbot: You have not rated shinohai.
pete_dushenski: !v assbot:pete_dushenski.rate.shinohai.1:6ac629a7043fe8cf574ab115ce8f89d564c7c8fe794ae345308d8056912e60e4
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for shinohai with note: retired, not a retard https://youtu.be/DDW4hTWbRYs?t=19m25s
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-11-2015#1326256 << this situation is probably more confusing to the soi-dissant 'entreprenuer' than anything else imagineable. 'what, you don't want me to solve a problem that i think is a problem because reasons ? what, you don't want me to develop an app to disrupt industry x while simultaneously bending over backwards to comply with every last damn regulation designed to ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 18-11-2015 14:30:33; mircea_popescu: anyway : unlike the average start-up my own business thing (which yes, 90% fail anyway) you have some major advantages, in that you're not coming up with an idea and hoping a market finds you, but on the contrary, the fgucking market is begging you alreadyt.
pete_dushenski: ensure the continued survival and persistence of industry x in its present state ? IMPOSSIBRU'
punkman: in other nyooz http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/18/technology/microsoft-once-infested-with-security-flaws-does-an-about-face.html
assbot: Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1MBxTgn )
davout: s/dissant/disant/ btw
punkman: "Microsoft Sheds Reputation as an Easy Mark for Hackers"
pete_dushenski: davout: well aware. it's like oppinion, (`) instead of (,), and (s) instead of (z) : an affectation
pete_dushenski: "“My goal inside the company is to get rid of passwords,” said Bret Arsenault, Microsoft’s chief information security officer."
pete_dushenski: "“Microsoft sees itself as a good corporate citizen,” he said. “They don’t want to deliver products that thwart government.”"
pete_dushenski: g-g-g-gooooold
pete_dushenski: 'we are a tentacle of usg and our policy is to keep cattle inside the fenceposts. thank you for shopping with msft'
davout: guess the french language is getting slaughtered too by the -asset terrorists thenè
davout: !
pete_dushenski: slaughterèd !
davout: precisely
pete_dushenski: it's like a romanov-era aristocrat growing out his fingernails to show off that he didn't have to do manual labour : do it because you can
pete_dushenski: if you can, you must !
pete_dushenski: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wG-Wt0dAm_U << o hey look what i stumbled across :P
assbot: Le Bitcoin Show - Premier Episode 001 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1PNQUk1 )
pete_dushenski: davout v. magicaltux
davout: o boy
pete_dushenski: if looks could kill, karpeles woulda dropped dead 4 years ago from that interview alone
shinohai: ty pete_dushenski though at times meds cause retarded thoughts!
pete_dushenski: retired thoughts !
shinohai: >.>
pete_dushenski: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 334.46, Best ask: 334.5, Bid-ask spread: 0.04000, Last trade: 334.5, 24 hour volume: 15004.56635689, 24 hour low: 327.91, 24 hour high: 338.99, 24 hour vwap: None
pete_dushenski: back to the ol' tight range, a hundred bucks higher than the last one, but a tight little range nonetheless
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-11-2015#1325476 << 'Venmo, PayPal's (PYPL) peer-to-peer payment app, has grown quickly and attracted a lot of attention, but that has yet to translate into actual profit for PayPal.' ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 16-11-2015 22:48:52; phf: venmo is "big" with college crowd, on account of having better "apps" support. if you're building anything for that crowd, you would carefully consider using venmo as an alternative to paypal
pete_dushenski: i guess venmo and paypal aren't so distinct after all.
pete_dushenski: 'Venmo's core peer-to-peer service doesn't cost its users anything, so the company doesn't make money from it.'
pete_dushenski: anyways, enough of that.
shinohai: Then what good is it ?
shinohai: :P
pete_dushenski: what good it is ? branding, i guess.
shinohai: I guess, but people are fickle with brands, no?
pete_dushenski: bbias
punkman: they bought it at some point
shinohai: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-11-2015#1326379 << i think these are the same cats mircea_popescu saw in istanbul ! ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 18-11-2015 15:38:50; kakobrekla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpsT12dSbMw
ascii_field: 'Microsoft’s chief executive, Satya Nadella, says he is listening. On Tuesday, he delivered a speech to government technology workers in Washington about the importance of security in the technology business and how Microsoft has evolved to confront security threats.'
ascii_field: ahahahahahahaha
ascii_field: l0l!
ascii_field: i suppose usg really does believe in the deeply magical powers of pr juice
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-11-2015#1326389 << if mosquito could move the virus, i and everybody i know in meatspace would be long dead. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 18-11-2015 15:55:09; pete_dushenski: 'public health'-tards INSIST that these rather robust blood sucking insects CANNOT TRANSMIT DISEASE
ascii_field: what part of this is so complicated.
pete_dushenski: aha. not just hiv though. ANY AND ALL DISEASE.
ascii_field: some pathogens move in mosquito, others - not.
pete_dushenski: i was referring to bed bugs specifically
pete_dushenski: go, check 'current literature'
pete_dushenski: said 'literature' would have you believe that bed bugs cannot be vectors for any known pathogens
ascii_field: typhus
ascii_field: elementarily
ascii_field: 1700s 'state of the art'.
pete_dushenski: ;;google typhus bed bugs
gribble: STUDIES ON TYPHUS FEVER: III. STUDIES OF LICE AND ...: <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19869795>; Bedbugs, fleas, lice, ticks and mites - World Health Organization: <http://www.who.int/water_sanitation_health/resources/vector237to261.pdf>; Myths and Facts about Bed Bugs - Modern Pest: <https://www.modernpest.com/blog/myths-and-facts-about-bed-bugs/>
pete_dushenski: bed bugs 'possibly play a role as vectors of hepatitis b virus'
pete_dushenski: 'The rat flea is important as a vector of bubonic plague and flea-borne typhus.'
ascii_field won't be surprised to see a usg 'official truth' where 'bedbug is harmless and is a wonderful ethnic diversity gift !111111'
pete_dushenski: different creatures, the Cimex lectularius and Rickettsia typhi
pete_dushenski: ascii_field: this is 'nyc official truth' afaik
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: horse and rider
pete_dushenski: or dog and tick
pete_dushenski: !up ascii_field
pete_dushenski: "Georgetown University will rename two buildings on campus — Mulledy Hall and McSherry Hall — that are currently named after slaveowners, following protests and sit-ins from students demanding increased awareness about the institution’s racial legacy. Georgetown students argue that the university needs to acknowledge the ways the university was built on slavery and to foster more discussion on the universi
pete_dushenski: ty climate for students of color."
pete_dushenski: should rename buildings after university president, who couldn't POSSIBLY own slaves... because tuition !
ascii_field: when do we get to rename washington.,dc ??
ascii_field: slaveown3r!!!111111
pete_dushenski: childpr0nist !11
pete_dushenski: etc
pete_dushenski: just rename whole country : "monolithic federation of property graciously donated by indians"
trinque: the glorious cousinland of walmartia
pete_dushenski: "The Russian passenger jet that crashed over Sinai, Egypt, was brought down by a bomb estimated to contain 1 kilogram (2.2 pounds) of explosives, the head of the Russian Federal Security Service said Tuesday, and the Russian government is offering a $50 million reward for information about those who brought it down."
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: supposedly isis supposedly released supposed photo of the thing a few hrs ago. ☟︎
ascii_field: with attached 'bwahahaha'
pete_dushenski: (bw)aha
pete_dushenski: https://twitter.com/liveuamap/status/666653079824109569 << tu-95 back in action ? mebbe !
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: they get flown near uk regularly
ascii_field: legendarily, world's loudest flying machine
pete_dushenski: !s tu-95
assbot: 7 results for 'tu-95' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=tu-95
trinque: !up whaack
pete_dushenski: off to the races, aces !
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67700 @ 0.00051699 = 35.0002 BTC [+] {3}
punkman: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3323196/Shooting-breaks-Paris-suburb-anti-terrorist-operation.html
assbot: Paris suicide bomber screamed ‘Help me’ to French police then blew herself up | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1NDR9JZ )
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski as confusing to the wanna-be entrepreneur as it might be, it's apparently very threatening to the wanna-be "intellectual", or whatever we call this new (hardly, lol) species of human that aims to inhabit a world of ideas. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> ahahahahahahaha << dun laugh, your tax dollars at work.
mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> if mosquito could move the virus, i and everybody i know in meatspace would be long dead. << this is a red herring. if cigarettes caused cancer the world would have ended in 1920.
mircea_popescu: "oh, wait, i didn't mean each individual one". mk.
mircea_popescu: <pete_dushenski> ascii_field: this is 'nyc official truth' afaik << it has to be. chiefly because "diversity" has brought nyc back into the 1800s. the early 1800s.
punkman: http://i.imgur.com/zOvNMLX.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1lv3KZz )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49800 @ 0.00051732 = 25.7625 BTC [+] {4}
BingoBoingo: <ascii_field> legendarily, world's loudest flying machine << Solid candidate for when it is time for MPEx to list S.AIRLINE
thestringpuller: ^- i was hoping we'd see S.SPACESHIP first
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: s.nuke
BingoBoingo: Well, how else is Tu-95 going to defend against missles than with nuke
ascii_field: l0l, defend
BingoBoingo: Of course defend, carry big enough nuke to obliterate anything within anti-plane missile range of Tu-95
BingoBoingo: best defense is good offense
BingoBoingo: Coming soon to future USia where HGH is trialed in treating childhood obeastity http://galesvillefiredepartment.org/kc9eci/hamabout.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1LmsqYV )
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-11-2015#1326507 << oh ferfuxxsake, when do we start converting sprint wheat to winter wheat with the power of revolutionary zeal, unlike stinking intellectualz who prattle on about impossibility ..? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 18-11-2015 18:35:15; mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski as confusing to the wanna-be entrepreneur as it might be, it's apparently very threatening to the wanna-be "intellectual", or whatever we call this new (hardly, lol) species of human that aims to inhabit a world of ideas.
ascii_field: *spring wheat
BingoBoingo: ascii_field: USia already sells corn and soy as both wheats
ascii_field: mircea_popescu looked like he was about to have aneurism. please don't! i did not want to piss on his parade, but must point out that if $magichost folks do the same exact thing as the last 1,001 folks, they will get... same result
ascii_field: unless i got transported to some magical universe as i slept
BingoBoingo: ascii_field: How are you sure you aren't still asleep?
mircea_popescu: what "same thing" is that, and how do you know who did what and what caused who and what'll happen ?
ascii_field: classical colo box ?
jurov: i see it as mp wanting something like thepiratebay
ascii_field: thepiratebay is dead...
jurov: was not for a long time
mircea_popescu: no, it's not like mp wanting something like thepiratebay. it's like mp wanting something like actual people at actual work doing actual business.
punkman: still up and showing ads last time I checked
ascii_field: punkman: iirc it got usg-hijacked and now logs ip
mircea_popescu: and there is no "classical" colo box. nor do you personally know anyone who has done this.
punkman: ascii_field: why is log ip important, who doesn't log ip?
mircea_popescu: ironically, bitbet doesn't log ips.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i only know folks who rent from 1 to 42U in some cage, like ordinary plebes, in one particular dc
mircea_popescu: and what happened to them ?
ascii_field: well nobody gives a rat's arse, never saw how it stands up to ddos
mircea_popescu: so then what do you know ?
ascii_field: only that mircea_popescu's last 2 or so boxes, fell down ?
mircea_popescu: let's not confuse actual intellectuals discussing winter/summer wheat with weirdo kids sitting on ass discussing "the truth of everything"
ascii_field: (is all i know)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40158 @ 0.00051514 = 20.687 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: yes. well, if you're curious to know what i know, as a result of you know, actual immediate interraction with the thing in question,
ascii_field will leave the subject alone, to qualified sorcerers, e.g., jurov
jurov: all i know such thing does not exist anymore. either you use cloudflare, or become cloudflare, or suffer.
jurov: this means i'm not qualified, either
mircea_popescu: it's that the market is very sharply divided : you have the actual professionals, part of an actually professional tradition. these are, without exception, white men living in the west. and consequently they suffer from the mental diseases incumbent on watching too much dead empire tv.
mircea_popescu: you also have the retarded kids, working outside of the west, but ALSO outside of the actual work ethic of the west.
ascii_field: ^^ yes ! ^^
mircea_popescu: it is plain as day to me that there exists no natural occurence of "we'll just on our own power take this from there and this from here".
mircea_popescu: but whether it occurs natrually or not, IT MUST BE DONE
mircea_popescu: this is not some sort of minimally interesting / not such a big deal / whatever thing.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: if you buy a boat and wanna start pulling own fiber across the sea, sign me up.
mircea_popescu: this is fundamental. if we, for whatever value of "we" you wish to choose, can not and do not transplant one on the other, we will have failed. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: this is the whole story.
ascii_field recalls trying to convince mircea_popescu of precisely this but re: chip fab
mircea_popescu: and i will particularly not stand to this absolutely noxious attitude.
mircea_popescu: let me give you a pro tip : pretty much all women i currently own were involved in a relationship when we met. two thirds of them were involved in a relationship with a dude who "can't X until Y".
mircea_popescu: if you imagine this strategy works in any case, shape or form, you've just not lived long enough.
mircea_popescu: it ALWAYS fails. always. it has never yet worked, it has never yet failed.
mircea_popescu: i dunno how to put it more plainly, nor does it seem likely the effort's not wasted.
thestringpuller: invest in the present not the future?
mircea_popescu: it has never yet not* failed.
BingoBoingo: From the I can't even files https://archive.is/jJV8H
assbot: For rapist men : fatacceptance ... ( http://bit.ly/1H94Unj )
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: consider writing article re: the thing that ought to be done by the courageous in re: hosters ?
mircea_popescu: it's in the fucking log.
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-11-2015#1326162 << this ? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 18-11-2015 13:52:49; mircea_popescu: in this : just god damned colo some boxes already.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-11-2015#1326249 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 18-11-2015 14:28:48; mircea_popescu: what you, or at any rate someone, has to do is research a sane jurisdiction, register a company, find some datacenters, enter into service agreements, research some providers, buy some hardware, have it delivered etc.
ascii_field: iirc jurov did some variant of this ?
jurov: none
jurov: why do you think?
mircea_popescu: i don't recall the name of his company.
mircea_popescu: what was it ?
jurov: i just offered to rent hetzner box so far
mircea_popescu: tyvm.
kakobrekla: hetzner will nullroute when you reach x packets a second, doesnt even have to be ddos
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46068 @ 0.00050841 = 23.4214 BTC [-] {5}
mircea_popescu: besides the point anyway. datacenters in the us or its phriends are off the table anyway. you all may feel just fine about paying the usg, but i'm not.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: and moscow ?
mircea_popescu: maybe. certainly worth a shot, see how dumb they are.
kakobrekla: but you are now paying phoenixnap, an american company.
ascii_field: i looked into a few in m
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla so i am.
ascii_field: quite appealing, at least on paper
ascii_field: and very attractive prices, iirc
kakobrekla: its seems you dont feel enoug not-fine.
kakobrekla: enough
mircea_popescu: hey, it was slated for replacement years ago\
mircea_popescu: iuf you recall, like the first mpex listing was a fucking hoster
kakobrekla: vps hoster.
mircea_popescu: turned out it was run by random addict and it's contemptible friends
mircea_popescu: you gotta start somewhere!
ascii_field remembers this
thestringpuller: bitvps, what a sad sad story
ascii_field even tried to use it once
mircea_popescu: you gotta raise the kids yourself, because everyone's parents have been a coupla dog vomits and there's no adults inhabiting the world.
mircea_popescu: iot's what it is.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> turned out it was run by random addict and it's contemptible friends << Qntra was edited by two drunks.
mircea_popescu: it only becomes "two drunks" once there's nothing else left to say.
BingoBoingo wondering if qntra will return to accessibility before or after I get my 30 day chip from storytime club
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
mircea_popescu: when's that BingoBoingo ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Next Thursday so Thanksgiving. Next club meeting after that is the Friday.
mircea_popescu: aha
BingoBoingo: Given those really bad early DDoS attacks seems kinda like the upper limit for the duration of one of these things
mircea_popescu: yeah, well, so far an entire cluster is awol.
mircea_popescu: i'm unpersuaded it has anything to do with any ddos.
lobbes: <mircea_popescu> i'm unpersuaded it has anything to do with any ddos << when I attempt to ping, I get the 'can't find host' message rather than just 100% packet loss
lobbes: not sure if that means anything one way or the other
mircea_popescu: lobbes "a whole cluster" means, the front server, the db server, the backup server, nameservers, the works.
mircea_popescu: if you try and ping by domain name it can't resolve ; if you try and ping by ip it can't route.
BingoBoingo: And the "hosts" missing too?
mircea_popescu: myeah.
mircea_popescu: well, just the owner. the chicks still around being all weirded out by the novel situation.
BingoBoingo: I guess someone put the "bulletproof" to the test.
mircea_popescu: who knows, maybe my recent "go burn down missouri state" article got some random dude imprisoned.
BingoBoingo: Nah, Missouri State is a completely different campus
mircea_popescu: whatever it waS.
mircea_popescu: anyway, for all i know dude went binge drinking sold the servers to pay strip club bill.
mircea_popescu: how the fuck do i know, not like is in the wot or anything.
lobbes: this should be a reminder for me to do another backup on own my server data
lobbes: "who the fuck knows" indeed
lobbes can't wait until #b-a hosting is a thing
mircea_popescu: myeah.
mircea_popescu: truth be told b-a needs a shitload more business kinda people.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81400 @ 0.00051428 = 41.8624 BTC [+] {4}
BingoBoingo: http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/u-s-judge-orders-settlement-talks-for-illinois-lottery-dispute/article_6a15b1be-4563-56ff-babf-19b658dd5ace.html
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MC7S0w )
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71800 @ 0.00050399 = 36.1865 BTC [-] {6}
mircea_popescu: from the top kek dept, https://archive.is/eW8Rv
assbot: PRQ - Colocation, Dedicated Servers, Web hosting, VPN Tunnels, Privacy services. ... ( http://bit.ly/1X8nqOz )
BingoBoingo: lol
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-11-2015#1326562 >> eerily reminiscent of http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=03-09-2015#1260831 ☝︎☝︎
assbot: Logged on 18-11-2015 19:16:11; mircea_popescu: this is fundamental. if we, for whatever value of "we" you wish to choose, can not and do not transplant one on the other, we will have failed.
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 03:02:25; mircea_popescu: is that his brain has decided it will not live without the products of industry ; while his ass does not enjoy the delights of anal proximity ; while the two are insepoarable, respectively : his ass from his head, and industry from maggotry.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu wants the healthy and unusgified spirit of the orc but with 'human' work ethic
ascii_field: i would like to meet this Übermensch.
mircea_popescu: this is a spurious schematism.
mircea_popescu: i'm not entertaining it.
ascii_field: 'All dedicated servers come with a 938 SEK ( 2500 BTC) setup fee which must be paid in full...' << woah
ascii_field: these come with own reactor, or what
ascii_field: or just page last updated in 2010
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 131600 @ 0.00051227 = 67.4147 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: in other news /me just paid a bill for 1.999921 btc.
shinohai: Such precision
mircea_popescu: !up wao_
shinohai: http://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/northwestgeorgianews.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/d/73/d73f8646-8b5e-11e5-b79b-8bceeffa3540/564820d753cc3.image.jpg?resize=760%2C503
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MTyuO1 )
shinohai: ^ accurate
wao_: :)
thestringpuller: lol northwest georgia
wao_: mircea_popescu: hello! I heard you are searching for hoster? is it actuall? what are current bandwith to boxes?
thestringpuller: !gettrust wao
assbot: Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user wao: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 5 via 3 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=thestringpuller&to=wao | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/wao/
mircea_popescu: depends, but in general about 1mbps or thereabouts.
mircea_popescu: has been known to go over 10gbps, but it's never sustained.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33922 @ 0.00050926 = 17.2751 BTC [-] {2}
wao_: 10G ddos, that isn't a lot, right?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102639 @ 0.00051326 = 52.6805 BTC [+] {5}
mircea_popescu: never actually observed all that significant ddos. at some point it was wp rpc calls even.
mircea_popescu: inept resellers much larger problem than any ddos.
wao_: and what's total average monthly traffic in and out?
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> depends, but in general about 1mbps or thereabouts.
shinohai: http://arstechnica.com/business/2015/11/after-raising-record-3-4m-on-kickstarter-uk-drone-startup-collapses/ <<< Yet another great fail.
assbot: After raising record $3.4M on Kickstarter, UK drone startup collapses | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1NEcyCU )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56900 @ 0.00051668 = 29.3991 BTC [+] {2}
wao_: mili-? if mega thats 10.8G daily, 324G/mo, that's not that lot, really
wao_: mircea_popescu: and actuall hardware or datacenter cant handle that? who is in charge of that?
mircea_popescu: about 2-3 tb a mo, yes
mircea_popescu: nobody's in charge of everything, we're just sitting here talking talks and stuff.
mircea_popescu: anything*
lobbes: heh: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/11/18/ben-carsons-campaign-made-a-u-s-map-and-put-a-bunch-of-states-in-the-wrong-place/
assbot: Ben Carson’s campaign made a U.S. map and put a bunch of states in the wrong place - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1NEcX8q )
wao_: and you are seeking for better hoster to handle that ddoses? that's info I've recieved
mircea_popescu: mno. im looking for someone who is in the wot, as a primary factor organising their existence, to start a proper hoster, at the colocation level.
jurov: wao_ there were some strange incidents more worrying than ddos (unexplained shutdowns, simultaneous disk failures)
wao_: well, I can help you host it here in Slovakia or Czech Republic, maybe Austria. I've been handling ddoses since my 17yo
wao_: oh so hardware getting some errors? what's hw?
jurov: it's up to you
jurov: make an offer. for example asciilifeform needs best cpu for phuctor
mircea_popescu: that's nice, but i'm not looking for you to help me anything. if you figure this is what you want to do with your life, stick around, with the logs, build your rep, then go do it.
wao_: jurov: what's cpu is running phuctor right now?
mircea_popescu: as it is i have no idea even what your involvement is with hosting. do you own a hosting company ? what's its name ?
jurov: wao_: some xeon, that's not important
wao_: jurov: well, I can get E7-xxxx for $7000, but is it worth?
wao_: mircea_popescu: no, I don't own hosting company, where I'm going I don't need names :)
mircea_popescu: well, that's pretty much the end of this discussion then.
wao_: yeah, I get it too
mircea_popescu: jurov ftr, phuctor was memory bound iirc. ☟︎
phf: they call him the elusive joe. -- nobody can catch him? -- nobody cares to ☟︎
mircea_popescu: for further lulz : https://archive.is/E1kAZ << this is the disposable email provider i just used.
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1HYm8DZ )
mircea_popescu: it worked fine up until 5 minutes ago. hurr durr.
shinohai: In unrelated to server news: https://i.imgur.com/lyA0pl4.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1HYokvf )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46155 @ 0.00050898 = 23.492 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: who said nothing good comes out of kickstarter https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/charlielyne/make-the-censors-watch-paint-drying?ref=video
assbot: Make the Censors Watch 'Paint Drying' by Charlie Lyne — Kickstarter ... ( http://bit.ly/1SFqHmU )
lobbes: l0l
shinohai: http://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/syd/5321646890.html <<< can anyone tell me if these laptops are worth a shit, in their experience?
assbot: Super fast i3 laptop ... ( http://bit.ly/1SFsubV )
asciilifeform: shinohai: not worth 300
trinque: shinohai: http://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/syd/5318478866.html << here's a better processor for cheaper
assbot: Lenovo Thinkpad T510 *90-Day Warranty* Intel Core i5 ... ( http://bit.ly/1SFukcC )
asciilifeform: shinohai: and the use of manufacturer's stock photos ought to make you wonder
trinque: lenovo has destroyed the thinkpad line, mind, but if comparing to a toshiba, probably better
shinohai: I haz registered firearm, not worried about fakes tryin to rob me.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-11-2015#1326703 << actually was ~memory i/o~ bound ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 18-11-2015 22:28:15; mircea_popescu: jurov ftr, phuctor was memory bound iirc.
asciilifeform: which is a thing.
shinohai: but thank you asciilifeform , trinque
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75566 @ 0.00051485 = 38.9052 BTC [+] {4}