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mircea_popescu: oh :p
mircea_popescu: Over the course of my career, I've noticed that dramatically fewer of the "early adopters" build successful, secure, mission-critical systems.
mircea_popescu: i've noticed trhe same. in fact, on a broad look, i fail to think of any particular field in which early adopters are top performers. not even idle chit-chat, where they should be supported by their endless stream of novelties.
mircea_popescu: they don't; get better sex, they don't drive better cars, live in more comfortable houses or enjoy happier lives.
mircea_popescu: in fact, "early adopter" will probably go the way of nigger : from a statement of fact to a slur.
gernika: even early adopters of bitcoin?
mircea_popescu: anyway, this ranum thing is pretty great : http://www.ranum.com/security/computer_security/editorials/dumb/ it even cites feynman
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mircea_popescu: gernika they're all bankrupt. look at the people who adopted before me, see who's still moving.
gernika: mircea_popescu: ok so early adoption stopped in 2010?
mircea_popescu: mid 2011 actually ?
mircea_popescu: obviously everything's going to become "Early" as time goes by, but you gotta draw a line somewhere.
ben_vulpes: sub dollar.
ben_vulpes: sub ten dollars.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19734 @ 0.00061302 = 12.0973 BTC [+] {2}
ben_vulpes: sub hundred.
ben_vulpes: etc.
gernika: early adopters are a strange sort
mircea_popescu: yes. like lunatics.
mircea_popescu: !up badon
gernika: self sacrificial almost
badon: thanks mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: how's the pm racket
gernika: mircea_popescu: i do notice a sigificant police presence here.
mircea_popescu: where ?
mircea_popescu: oh in ba ? maybe they've got a game or something.
gernika: mircea_popescu: palermo
gernika: no sign of crime though except bars on everything
mircea_popescu: Number of visits: 141,392 - Average: 141 s.
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 141392*141 / 3600
gribble: 5537.85333333
mircea_popescu: gernika i wouldn't be too worried, argentine policemen are harmless.
mircea_popescu: mats: i apologize for making this a topic of discussion <<< it was kinda lulzy.
mircea_popescu: adlai: in the case of multiple business addresses, it's easy, but in the case of the business using a single address, you can still see which input from the customer transactions was used <<< but it's meaninless.
kakobrekla: >Fuck, the NEWSBTC site said people who are “against paycoin” are “cryptoextremists”.
kakobrekla: lulz
cazalla: yeah, that site was sold in november because the guy running couldn't keep up the pace of coindesk seeing they're funded by gaw adverts and newsbtc was not at that time
cazalla: i was going to write up a big time line of past 2 days events with this gaw garza shit but i'm quite over it all
cazalla: 38c, windy as fuck, watermelon vine taking a beating :\
mircea_popescu: o hai kako
kakobrekla: heya
mircea_popescu: cazalla as a general rule, the two bullet approach is probably best. (news outlet can write on any matter at most twice)
mircea_popescu: mike_c: i hear bitcoins in argentina are dirt cheap too <<< nah, they just don't really exist. yet.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: i dont leave the house if i dont have to. << this can turn into a debilitating issue you know.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, yeah, i'll leave the mac 10 spray it everywhere and hope it hits to someone else
mircea_popescu: :p
cazalla: damn, so many fires http://i.imgur.com/15QgmZY.png
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mircea_popescu: mats: looks like an oversized nintendo ds << irlol
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: 'can't delete avahi-0.6.31p10 without deleting cups-libs-1.6.3p0 gtk+2-2.24.20p1 gvfs-1.16.3' << brain damage beyond belief <<< "can't delete usg without deleting roads and the sky above".
mircea_popescu: the exact sort of interested stupidity the gnomes like to peddle.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: just as the cattle rancher. he will be zapped, when the story is sufficiently forgotten and no longer media-enabled << "we never forget. expect us."
mircea_popescu: the media is not the point here.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: dosen't matter really. have you met any American cattle? when the country fails they'll find themselves rejected everywhere / killed outright. << the younger females will still be usable.
mircea_popescu: which really is the best outcome of a failed civilisation anyway.
mircea_popescu: PeterL: so to become king, you just have to outlive all the other leaders << this is a good half of what the catholics used to do too.
mircea_popescu: punkman hey, deeds ?!
mircea_popescu: what the hell's going on with that thing, what has it been, a straight month /
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: the very reason why it is still trivial to leave usa is the lack of an obvious destination. << this is not much unlike proposing that the reason the gun's not fired is "because the bullet has nowhere to go".
mircea_popescu: when it fires, it fires. it'll go wherever it goes.
decimation: https://web.law.duke.edu/cspd/publicdomainday << happy public domain day, the day that nearly nothing enters the public domain (under us law)
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mircea_popescu: heh.
decimation: the 'window' for new copyright expiration will open in 2019 I think (right now, frozen at works copyright 1923 and earlier)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: i'm a... sorta what naggum was. <<< ulcerous misanthrope ?
decimation: someone should start a bitbet that disney et.al. will get congress to save mickey mouse again
mircea_popescu: decimation i dunno, seems to me all sorts of bathroom pics as well as sony's latest crud got public domaine'd just fine
mircea_popescu: (and yes they're about same-value items)
decimation: well, of course. that's why they fear old works going into public domain - they are well aware that old works are generally superior in nearly all aspects
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: If USia disappears Israel probably becomes untenable as a state <<< i have my doubts. for all their noise, the palestinians do not seem genuinely interested in running a state.
mircea_popescu: taking old western women for all the charity they're worth, sure. actually working ? meh.
mircea_popescu: they're like greeks, except on the other side of the same old sea.
decimation: they have an interest in running a mafia it seems
mircea_popescu: that's always fun.
decimation: or at least, a semi-criminal organization
mircea_popescu: PeterL: If US disappears, then many of the other US allies will be having problems, so will be unable to help Isreal << fwiw i suspek the us is on the balance of things more of a problem than a solution.
mircea_popescu: so yeah the allies will ahve some new problems. easier to solve than their current problems that alliance is causing.
decimation: yeah I suspect Israel would be able to figure its shit out with out the us just fine
mircea_popescu: if there's no longer a "public opinion" in the sense that term has been abused by usian know-nothing all-one aunt pollies, all sorts of anal child behaviour will necessarily go away.
mircea_popescu: there's not large groups of unemployed but healthy youths swarming around crossroads glaring at passengers in places that arent usistans.
mircea_popescu: random example : somehow the black community in buenos aires - which is ACTUALLY being oppressed into the dirt - is neither hostile nor in any case fearsome to anyone.
mircea_popescu: somehow they can go about peacefully earning their existence.
decimation: I suspect that all the Palestinians who have more ambition than scamming old women or stealing 'aid' money have already left the place anyway
mircea_popescu: so no, it's not "genetic", and pointedly no, the statal measures intended to help do not in fact help, they massively hinder.
mircea_popescu: decimation wouldn't you ?
decimation: absolutely
mircea_popescu: right.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel: cazalla: consider this a request for a qntra article entitled <<< what makes you thik he'd be in a position to write it ? guy never left australia.
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: for instance, afaik, white man anywhere in east asia is either a miserable wretch, a hermit, or largely confined to an enclave of his own kind. <<< from what i hear it's mostly "just grab any girl and fuck her, ask later".
mircea_popescu: i guess it depends on the sample.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: absolutely correct. should be something more along the lines of "unemployment rate for skilled programmers". <<< programmers who depend on some sort of regionalized unemployment rate can't possibly be all that skilled.
mircea_popescu: and god help me this log is tough... barely on the 17th ?!
decimation: it gets much thinner later
mircea_popescu: that's a releif.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel: wtf is even being discussed. <<< nerds doing metaphores. it's a sight.
TomServo: calc
TomServo derps.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: i don't own any bitcoin assets, incidentally. << you're on the public record owning a majority of s.nsa lol.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: iirc, that was mircea_popescu describing the virtues of working on inventions in a yurt <<< iirc that was mostly a joke built on the probleblems of garbage collecting.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: PeterL: i do in theory, but it doesn't work yet <<< an asset is not predicated on whether it works or not lol. whether you own the house and whether anyone's paying you rent for it so far are different matters.
mircea_popescu: holy shit Luke-Jr raises kids and plans to buy sheep, has no clue about anthrax before reading up on b-a ?
mircea_popescu: !up AdrianoOliveira
mircea_popescu: these logs are like better than average.
AdrianoOliveira: thanks!
mircea_popescu: sure.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: he is just caught in a local pain minimum. <<< kako is like our blind slovenly prophet. he knows teh truths!
BingoBoingo: http://www.wired.com/2015/01/dangerous-people-internet-right-now/?mbid=social_twitter
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mircea_popescu: mats: no buttcoin option <<< considering what they want to do is "continue development" i'd much rather they never got a dime anyway.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> holy shit Luke-Jr raises kids and plans to buy sheep, has no clue about anthrax before reading up on b-a ? << Why so surprised?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo at some point you run up against the inevitable "how did this guy make it so far"
mircea_popescu: i suppose that's the best proof he's entirely correct on his religious observances. his continued existence -> best miracle yet.
BingoBoingo: Sheer inertia of luck
mircea_popescu: which is exactly the proper context to link ...
mircea_popescu: http://oglaf.com/assorted-fruits/
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BingoBoingo: http://oglaf.com/geewoks/
assbot: Geewoks ... ( http://bit.ly/1xooODz )
mike_c: you're on the public record owning a majority of s.nsa lol. << he actually doesn't own any
mike_c: lots of options though
mircea_popescu: i think that qualifies.
mircea_popescu: otherwise if you could skirt reporting by structuring instruments nobody'd own anything anymore.
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BingoBoingo: !b 4
mircea_popescu: http://oglaf.com/semifinal/ << this one rocks actually.
assbot: Semi-Final ... ( http://bit.ly/1xopokF )
mircea_popescu: http://oglaf.com/hotbuttons/ ahahaha jesus she's been on a roll
assbot: Hot Buttons ... ( http://bit.ly/1xopF79 )
decimation: yeah that last one was pretty good
decimation: "you can't just curse a district to democracy" lol
mircea_popescu: nono, it's "you can't just A then B"
mircea_popescu: http://hackingdistributed.com/2014/12/17/changetip-must-die/ << o look, the world outside is starting to figure out reddit is made by the retarded, for the retarded, and everything it touches smells ?
assbot: ChangeTip Must Die ... ( http://bit.ly/1xoqw7W )
mircea_popescu: iiiincredible.
thestringpuller: yea it's a good article
decimation: !up ascii_modem
decimation: lol ascii are you logging in from the arctic
ascii_modem: nah just from not home.
ascii_modem: turned this thing on just to put to record the vomitory power of the 'changetip' piece
mircea_popescu: aha ?
ascii_modem: subject & critique both
ascii_modem: 'brigaded a nobel laureate' ahaha
mircea_popescu: "First of all, every time I strike up a random conversation with a stranger, I discover that they have already heard about Bitcoin. Every. Single. Time."
mircea_popescu: this is my experience too. then again, it has been, for a while.
ascii_modem: 'academics fixed flaws in protocol'
decimation: yeah I find that to mostly be the case, except all the know is that mt gox got hacked
mircea_popescu: "We need to work as a community to buy advertising like normal people, and perhaps work on our collective image."
mircea_popescu: lmao.
mircea_popescu: who is this idiot.
mircea_popescu: decimation this is also true, but adding a "they donate grains of sand" isn't much of an addition.
decimation: no that's fucktarded
mircea_popescu: After years of acting like enfants terribles, perpetrating a prosecution complex, fearmongering about an inflationary collapse that refuses to happen, veering into antisemitic rants about Jewish bankers, blaming Mt. Gox victims, brigading a Nobel laureate, badmouthing core developers, attacking researchers including yours truly (for finding and even fixing a flaw, and making predictions that were later borne out; you k
mircea_popescu: now, things that were actually good for Bitcoin),
mircea_popescu: again, who is this derp ?
decimation: bitcoin is for entities to move money, not for the little people to pay hobos
mircea_popescu: somehow when i say "Gün Sirer" no "flaw that was fixed" pops intoi memory.
mircea_popescu: lol and of course disqus comments.
mircea_popescu: anyway. "clean up the act" = no more tim sweneys and other gun sirers, plox.
ascii_modem: meat - is for flies, by god. ask any fly
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, intel has the "flaw" in question. from the selfsource : http://hackingdistributed.com/2013/11/04/bitcoin-is-broken/
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mircea_popescu: "Bitcoin is broken. And not just superficially so, but fundamentally, at the core protocol level. We're not talking about a simple buffer overflow here, or even a badly designed API that can be easily patched; instead, the problem is intrinsic to the entire way Bitcoin works. All other cryptocurrencies and schemes based on the same Bitcoin idea, including Litecoin, Namecoin, and any of the other few dozen Bitcoin-inspi
mircea_popescu: red currencies, are broken as well."
decimation: "Some people seem to believe that microtipping can bring about the end of advertising. This doesn't quite make sense, because microtip systems like ChangeTip cut out the platform operator: a user directly transfers a tiny amount to another user, leaving out the platform (e.g. Reddit, Twitter, etc)."
decimation: lol
mircea_popescu: basically, they dressed up the ancient block withholding attack, a fully documented andf fully fixed problem cca 2012
ascii_modem: if i had a satoshi for every academtard who went 'this thing diesn't implement lamport's byzantine consensus...'
mircea_popescu: typical us-style academic, dress up something commonly known in the trade for a grant, act as if he's done science.
ascii_modem: naggum's 'library of cheap books'
decimation: oh no, imagine a world where twitter and reddit were cut out of business! inconceivable!!
mircea_popescu: advertising is a dead thing anyway. the cattle processors don't need to advertise to the cattle, the rest of the world doesn't want the cattle.
decimation: yeah. the future is content for the minority willing to pay; porn for the masses
mircea_popescu: isuppose either of these could be rechristened "advertising"
mircea_popescu: but in point of fact it'd have as much truck with that concept as the present day us has with a constitutional republic.
kakobrekla: ;;seen ukyo
gribble: ukyo was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 39 weeks, 1 day, 2 hours, 37 minutes, and 17 seconds ago: <Ukyo> mgio_: ping
kakobrekla: ;;seen ukto
gribble: ukto was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 6 weeks, 0 days, 5 hours, 59 minutes, and 33 seconds ago: <Ukto> I dont want to work on anything other than weexchange heh
mircea_popescu: wait, asciilifeform wasn't even on a cloaked connection ? what, the haxxor gave up and went away ?
mircea_popescu: fucking unreliable haters.
kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=19-12-2014#957549 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 19-12-2014 19:38:15; kakobrekla: btw ddos is gone (temporarily?)
mircea_popescu: aha.
mircea_popescu: in memory of that great joke,
mircea_popescu: !s beer cunt
assbot: 1 results for 'beer cunt' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=beer+cunt
mircea_popescu: "16-11-2014 bitbethelp: so, cazalla, what's your plan on running qntra when it's going to be down 7x24 if it gets any sort of traction?"
mircea_popescu: then guy's never heard from again. because yes, totally. that's what permanence means, two weeks' worth of three hourlong intervals.
undata: I've been uncloaked thanks to freenode derpitude several times, never ddosed
decimation: hey, he exposed your fucktarded routing for free!
mircea_popescu: Bloke sitting at the bar when a woman comes in and sits on the stool next to him, he buys her a drink and asks her name. "Carmen" she says "Because I like Cars and Men, whats your name?" "Charlie Beer-Cunt"
decimation: heh
decimation: actually your servers became stronger when faced with adversity from the spammer
decimation: thus, some degree of anti-fragility. but it wasn't in the software, or the networking - it was in the people running things
mircea_popescu: well for one thing it bestowed upon me a huge list of wordpress blogs which can be used to leverage a packet stream about 1mn x and automattic does not want to fix.
mircea_popescu: for another thing it gave me an elephant rifle to shoot at some dreamhost employe derp
mircea_popescu: and in general... lemons an' melons.
decimation: yeah exactly. it was an interesting thing to watch unfold
cazalla: lulz https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2r58kd/what_happened_to_this_subforum_all_posts_about/cnco6u3
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mircea_popescu: imagine this, by the way : after three months of the practical equivalent of going to people's houses and leaving them a post-it note, the fix rate is under 1%.
mircea_popescu: well under 1%.
mircea_popescu: i think the derps who imagine their publishing of threat advisories and so forth actually does anything are off their rocker.
decimation: it's worse then that - that n00b escalated to the designer of wordpress and was shot down
mircea_popescu: the entire "security holes are in there deliberately" dirty secret is getting more and more air.
mircea_popescu: thanks the bitcoin.
decimation: I suspect he didn't want to bother writing the code required to intelligently filter pingbacks
mircea_popescu: nope.
decimation: why not let the little people suffer when you can rake in the $$$ and push the costs onto others
mircea_popescu: i suspect they literally are under orders to maintain a certain structure on the webs. one where the middle class so to speak can at any time be ganked by "nefarious", "mysterious" entitites that are not either.
mircea_popescu: basically the usg is trying (through its "vc" agency) to run the web exactly the way it's running the country : use the poor to scare the productive.
mircea_popescu: !up gabriel_laddel
mircea_popescu: !up soypirate
mircea_popescu: and it'd work just fine, too, if it weren't for btc. this construction where someone could be a secure billionaire and not part of the usg club simply wasn't being planned for.
decimation: no, that's pretty much the glue that holds usg together (quashing folks before they pose a threat)
mircea_popescu: it's all such retarded virginal bullshit, too. why shouldn't folks pose a fucking threat!
mircea_popescu: "o noes, what could happen". sigh.
decimation: this guy http://www.reppep.com/~pepper/resume/ wrote another paul graham rebuttal >> https://medium.com/@reppep/paul-graham-appears-confused-about-supply-and-demand-labor-and-visas-and-great-programmers-d1d4854bc928
assbot: Chris Pepper's Resume ... ( http://bit.ly/1zJpiRH )
assbot: Paul Graham Appears Confused about Supply and Demand, Labor and Visas, and “Great Programmers” — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1zJpiRN )
mircea_popescu: cliffnotes ?
mircea_popescu: "In particular, if IRET executes on a writeable kernel stack (this was always the case before 3.16 and is sometimes the case on 3.16 and newer), the assembly function general_protection will execute with the user's gsbase and the kernel's gsbase swapped."
mircea_popescu: bwahahaha o god.
decimation: "But be honest. H-1B visa demand is not high because companies are striving for excellence. The visas are being used to preserve the existing labor market (salary levels) rather than paying higher salaries as dictated by supply and demand. Paul’s suggestion would help US companies find employees, but drain brainpower from the rest of the world, and leave the US workforce uncompetitive for US jobs. "
mircea_popescu: ...
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mircea_popescu: so the author is struggling with brain damage.
decimation: which is pretty much what ascii was saying (paul graham wants cheap coolies)
mircea_popescu: how is that not striving for excellence ?
mircea_popescu: i mean, yes, it's what stan & everyone sane's been saying about it, but dressed up in a clown costume for some reason.
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mircea_popescu: "The Centralized Zone Data System (czds.icann.org)
mircea_popescu: The attacker obtained administrative access to all files in the CZDS. This included copies of the zone files in the system, as well as information entered by users such as name, postal address, email address, fax and telephone numbers, username, and password. Although the passwords were stored as salted cryptographic hashes, we have deactivated all CZDS passwords as a precaution. "
mircea_popescu: im taking bets the thing was md5.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: what makes you thik he'd be in a position to write it ? guy never left australia. << He (or another) can supply the aforementioned article without getting up from their chair all that often. I'm just looking for some basic/tedious research - not boots on the ground scouting (though I am not opposed to this).
mircea_popescu: "For additional information about the attack, please monitor the ICANN website." "we're still not using gpg tho, so you'll never know."
decimation: well, they have an unsigned webpage
decimation: like the toilet stall in the truck stop
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel i get it i get it, my point was more along the lines of, nobody can really do this for you, as a "consumer" sort of thing.
mircea_popescu: it';s not really a pret-a-porter sort of job.
mircea_popescu: decimation point being, if we monitor "the site" and something appears there, all we know is that either the attacker put it up or icann did, and it's either true or false.
mircea_popescu: which... i'd rather monitor definite things.
adlai: now we're fucking talking http://bitbet.us/bet/1093/
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mircea_popescu: heh that's not happening.
adlai: easy money if you fall over sue the government?
mircea_popescu: wait wut ?
decimation: while asciilifeform reinvents data transport, he ought to consider reinventing dns
mircea_popescu: dns needs to go die in a fire.
mircea_popescu: if anyone wants prettified shorthand for resource locators, let him write his own symlinks.
adlai was pretty pleased about the changetip bitbet
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: programmers who depend on some sort of regionalized unemployment rate can't possibly be all that skilled. << this is true, however if an economy thinks itself of being in dire need of programmers anyone with a brain can fly blind into the country and remain relatively assured of their future prosperity without having to put too much thought into it. This is going to go away at some point in the futur
gabriel_laddel: e, but for now...
mircea_popescu: if all the idiotic websites could not in fact control their own domain name, imagine all the chilling effect on the idiocy of "branding" and generally the stupid internet.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel my point was more along the lines of, unless you actually work in hardware maintenance, you are connecting to your job over the internet anyway.
adlai: all the internet branding will rely on middlemen, until your audience learns pgp
mircea_popescu: if you're hired for chair warming rather than sshing you are really not much better than the pr chicks.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: also, thanks for upping me. my keys got destroyed in a botched backup and I don't know if I'll be able to recover them. until I sink some time into that task - no L2.
mircea_popescu: o.O
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mircea_popescu: im sending sexy_saffron over to your house to whip you.
decimation: no she's too busy whining about b-a on tard's news
gabriel_laddel: r.e., chair warming, there is such a thing as interpersonal chemistry.
mircea_popescu: decimation nah it was proven that wasn't her.
gabriel_laddel: sometimes it's nice to interface with people - mostly - no.
mircea_popescu: your hunch was correct.
decimation: yeah I'm being silly, hopefully mr. spam learned his lesson
mircea_popescu: undata: what is this doublespeak where they 'stand by their filmmakers' while scrapping the film? << business as usual ?
undata: yep, and they caved yet again to 'bama and released the thing
undata: the film's probably garbage either way
decimation: yeah in retrospect the whole sony thing was a crass marketing ploy with usg cooperation
undata: how does a language retain its meaning?
gabriel_laddel: again, r.e., chair warming. Maybe I'm the odd one out here, but I've had the distinct pleasure of interacting with people who I enjoy seeing on somewhat regular basis.
undata: I wonder too if the degradation of the language isn't a major factor in the decline of a civilization.
BingoBoingo: <undata> the film's probably garbage either way << Actually not bad. It's a typical Seth Rogen movie. People who like that sort of flick will enjoy it, other people won't.
decimation: Thomas Cole painted the decline of empire > http://www.isegoria.net/2015/01/the-course-of-empire-2/
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gabriel_laddel: <mircea_popescu> gabriel_laddel i get it i get it, my point was more along the lines of, nobody can really do this for you, as a "consumer" sort of thing. << So you do all your research by hand? Also, do you have a rotating 3D globe on your computer that allows you to highlight/heatmap known uranium deposits, nuclear reactors, oil reserves, population stats etc.?
mircea_popescu: undata yeah i imagine it is.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel but that is a wholy distinct matter from working and job discussions.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: please elaborate?
mircea_popescu: ok, let me summarize this so perhaps you see it for the transactional (psych term of art) pseudoreasoning i see there.
mircea_popescu: you establish that A is desirable. you then deny A on the grounds that B, which is unrelated.
mircea_popescu: when B is pointed out to be unrelated, you bring in the discussion C, which is not only unrelated to B, but also to A.
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mircea_popescu: !up gesella
mircea_popescu: on the structure of that, should C be pointed out to be unrelated the subject'd normally become aggressive.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: A = programmer unemployment rate, B = you do all your research by hand?, C = 3D earth populated with interesting information?
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_modem
mircea_popescu: nah. A = living in the us ; B = being employed at computerizing ; C = meeting people who fuck enjoyably.
decimation: !up gabriel_laddel
mircea_popescu: or whatever your definition of "enjoy personal interaction is", i suppose the discussion as to how all that = fucking is too much to meld in here.
ascii_modem: lol programmer unwhateverthefuck rates
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: thanks for explaining. This aside I must admit I'm interested in knowing if you've got the 3D earth populated with all sorts of interesting information.
mircea_popescu: sort-of
decimation: who doesn't derp with google earth?
mircea_popescu: actually i don't use it.
mircea_popescu: (why would i give google info ?! not like they're pickig up my intel bills ?!)
gabriel_laddel: decimation: you can't mod google earth, can you?
decimation: sort-of
decimation: you can load custom kml files to plot various things
decimation: they charge a shitload of $$$ to actually use their 'pro' tools
ascii_modem: from g.earth i learned the one solitary fact that the yard i played in as a boy is now a parking lot. boo/hiss.
decimation: I think 'high-end gis' types typically use arcgis tools
mircea_popescu: ascii_modem this seems altogether a common experience.
decimation: I think NASA even made a google-earth knockoff called "world wind" that you can use 'off-line'
mircea_popescu: whenever girlie takes me on a virtual trip of her childhood space, it's usually "o shit, a parking lot ?!"
decimation: cars gotta park, need garages, free highways
ascii_modem: it parks six rattling toyotas , too. when i was there i would have sworn it would land a bomber.
mircea_popescu: ^
decimation: the median us resident without a car is pretty much just a hobo
mircea_popescu: it's not like the us can actually compare with i dunno, the russians on car pools.
ascii_modem: was small. world - big
mircea_popescu: they generally drive cheap crap.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: do you depend on opengl, use 2d, directx, proprietary graphics library written in assembler...?
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel i am fortunate to not be much of a visual thinker.
mircea_popescu: i use stuff like grep.
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decimation: tables & text > graphics
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: I'm not a visual thinker either - at least, never have been described as such. That said, GUIS are nice in certain circumstances.
mircea_popescu: decimation not sure if really >, because i used to be total shit in geometry, all the chicks doing pretty much an impersonation of elaine with the tyres "saw" things that took me days. nevertheless, it DOES do a lot for reducing one's ability to... be scammed, i guess. slef scamming especially, where you end up making unfounded assumptions that arew predicated on whatever weird visual crap going on.
ascii_modem: tyres?
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel sure, but the gui of "google earth" is a needles contrivance.
mircea_popescu: lemme find it.
mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgOdMSIAH1Q
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decimation: I often find myself distracted by 'pretty graphics' rather than looking at the content
ascii_modem: don't confound 'graphics' with 'mouse gui'
ascii_modem: not automagically same
decimation: no, I'm writing about a presentation meant to communicate
decimation: there's a thing in academia/business where graphics (esp. on a powerpoint) are held as some kind of standard for communication
decimation: ed tufte made the point that baseball scores are a giant dense table, and are comprehensible by someone with a 4th grade education
mircea_popescu: so you know, put it on google maps, so you can drink the presumption that the us is a lot larger than canada while doing whatever else.
ascii_modem: visual scams << carnival / conjurer trickery ?
mircea_popescu: (and since we're doing this ; russia's almost larger than the sum of them. and this is without the rest of the "all-union" landmass)
mike_c: latitude is important though
mircea_popescu: ascii_modem just the very simple fact that if i say "a man" then that's that, whereas if you try to show "a man" you won't be able to. which is how most films are shittier than the books they're based on. the forced mistake of having to provide all the data visual requires to work.
mircea_popescu: mike_c for technologiclaly inferior tribes, yes, it is.
mike_c: hehe
ascii_modem: if big fat landmass could uproot, get up, walk over & sit on small landmass's face till its guts pop out - sure
mircea_popescu: in this sense, "having holly nearby" is important too
ascii_modem: but generally not how works
mircea_popescu: if you're a roman veteran about to get dismissed
mircea_popescu: ascii_modem except no "embargo" by the small against the large ever worked in fucking history.
ascii_modem: when 'large' is an abo reservation that can't even refine own molybdenum - works
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mircea_popescu: this theory is always intellectually appealing, like the theory that you can get rich by cornering the market.
mircea_popescu: people occasionally get cocky enough to try. it never works out. the reasons it never works out aren't directly palatable, so the dream remains.
gabriel_laddel: ascii_modem: do you have any favorite organic chem programs or books you'd care to recommend?
ascii_modem: gabriel_laddel: for what?
mircea_popescu: Luke-Jr: BingoBoingo: tx fees != non-spam << o.O
mircea_popescu: dude how long did the luke wankfest carry on ? by now it's like one of those fabled 3 day weddings.
BingoBoingo: Well, it took... about 3 days
ascii_modem: gabriel_laddel: try chemgroup's 'MOE'
gabriel_laddel: ascii_modem: thanks. a concise phrasing for my project still hasn't come to mind....
decimation: !up gabriel_laddel
decimation: !up ascii_modem
ascii_modem: ty
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: who has 60 hour battery now ? << do a battery time / mips or flops thing to for fairness.
ascii_modem: wins still
ascii_modem: if this is re: old thread about hp lx - it had passive matrix unlit lcd
mircea_popescu: some reddit threrad you made me read.
ascii_modem: and nothing today - save wristwatch - has.
decimation: some calculators maybe
mircea_popescu: the lit lcd bs is absolutely insane. i use brighness at 1-2% on all these lcd things.
mircea_popescu: it'd be so much more helpful if they simply didn't backlight them with evil fucking uv diodes
ascii_modem: unlit != modern with light off
ascii_modem: need reflective backing . and must be monochrome
decimation: I recently found f.lux for macs and redshift for linux
mircea_popescu: ascii_modem doesn't have to be ancient tech!
ascii_modem: colour lcd absorbs far too much light to be reflectively lightable.
decimation: they both allow you to 'redshift' your screen to match the local night-time
mircea_popescu: but no, they can't light them on orange or something. gotta be that god awful pseudo-white
decimation: unfortunately they don't dim brightness
ascii_modem: also all extant dimmable backlights use pwm
ascii_modem: and i can see the chop.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Obligatory slogan: "Come and get Tanked!" << better yet, "tank top off tuesday"
decimation: ascii_modem: even LED backlights?
ascii_modem: esp those
mircea_popescu: where chicks come with their tank tops to sit atop your tank's top and take their tops off
undata: ascii_modem: I spent a bit of time today researching e-ink displays
undata: not much to find
ascii_modem: worthless for interactive anything
undata: the vaguely defined dream would be to have something which functions as a terminal, nothing more
undata: I'm trying to code on a shit-tier lenovo "x1 carbon"
ascii_modem: even vt100 is a stretch for eink
undata: everything's broken
undata: trackpad stopped working, goes to sleep, fails to wake without disconnecting the battery, etc
ascii_modem: classic laptoppery
decimation: lenovo is supposedly better for that stuff
undata: neh, it's a lie
ascii_modem: was
undata: I believed "thinkpad"
undata: I had a pentium 3 thinkpad that was a tank compared
ascii_modem: also had. yes, worked.
ascii_modem: those days - long gone.
decimation: re: tank's top < " That was Stalin's hall-mark, his style - that splendid disregard of differences, that levelling of friends and enemies that made him a unique figure in the whole of human history. Another thing for which the Soviet court did not condemn Potapov was that in 1945 - still in his broken spectacles tied with string but this time with a tommy-gun in his hand - he rode into Berlin on the back of a Red Army tank; this was
decimation: how Potapov got off so easily, with only 'ten and five on the horns'."
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mircea_popescu: !up austeritysucks
ascii_modem: battery time / mips or flops << imagine if the only fuel available, were - trotyl.
ascii_modem: that's roughly the situation of modern cpu
decimation: ascii_modem: as in, it draws massive current for short bursts and derps idlely otherwise?
decimation: !up ascii_modem
ascii_modem: can't buy low-power (battery life measured in weeks/months) interactive computer. at any pricepoint.
decimation: one can buy very low power microcontrollers these days
ascii_modem: because 'no www flash games - not computer' or similarly imbecilic formula
mircea_popescu: that;s actually a legitimate complaint.
mircea_popescu: democracy = one solution that sucks for everyone.
ascii_modem: microcontroller << the pickings end up very slim if refuse 'arm'
ascii_modem: ( for ram-rich / something one could use as actual computer kind of affair)
decimation: I think TI still makes stuff like the msp430
ascii_modem: not computer.
decimation: indeed.
mircea_popescu: jurov: ;;later tell mircea_popescu x.idiff.dec expired < myeah.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: really 0 volume on idiff for DEC?!?!? << myeah.
mircea_popescu: anyway, there's gonna be an announcement re x.idiff
mircea_popescu: jurov: lmao it says there was 1 x.idiff.dec traded on 2012-12-13 and nothing since << sounds about right.
mircea_popescu: assbot: Will Ripple Eclipse Bitcoin? - Slashdot ... << "Any headline which ends in a question mark can be answered by the word no."
decimation: re: democracy << "Now I know of only two methods of establishing equality in the political world; every citizen must be put in possession of his rights, or rights must be granted to no one." - M. de Tocqueville
mircea_popescu: equality is not something of this, or any other world.
mircea_popescu: jurov: nothing about fags? danielpbarron: that's condemned <<< poor j, just can't catch a break.
mircea_popescu: everything's being retroactively uncondemned, 'cept his.
mircea_popescu: jurov: you want to say homosexuality is okay if it's master/slave relationship? << win. get into leather while you still can!
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: so for a time, God did permit a man to have more than one wife. (see, for eg. Genesis 4:19; 16:1-4; 29:18-30:24) - but God did not originate the practice of polygamy. He provided only one wife for Adam. <<< bs. the original family was adam eve an' lilith.
mircea_popescu: 'cept the perky titted little bitch started feminism and was banished to fatlandia.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: I have a ton of cool photos from that adventure << you need to start blogging in serious.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-12-2014#956498 << actually sounds pretty good.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 18-12-2014 22:10:34; mod6: But yeah, it's still has some leaks in there somewhere, as the R.I. died at least 2 different times from 1->current block, but no more than 3 times. Eitherway, this needs to get resolved. But at least we're headed in the right direction.
mircea_popescu: so what config did you settle on in the end mod6 ?
mod6: for the DB?
mircea_popescu: ya
ascii_modem: speaking of - iirc it was gonna be configable chkpoints , not none at all ?
mircea_popescu: for dbenv.set_lk_max_locks and what else ?
mod6 looks
mircea_popescu: ascii_modem i just assumed he implemented the "no checkpoints" in the shape of a "set your own, defaults to 1" sort of thing
ascii_modem: bdb begs for the axe
ascii_modem: neh he snipped whole thing
mircea_popescu: ah
mircea_popescu: well...
mircea_popescu: there's technically no possibility to have "no checkpoints", block 1 will willy-nilly be a checkpoint.
mod6: changed dbenv.set_lk_max_objects to 40000
mod6: changed dbenv.set_lk_max_locks to 40000
mod6: set set_lg_max to 1M
mircea_popescu: im surprised it worked with 40k.
mod6: set DB_TXN_WRITE_NOSYNC
ascii_modem: in my tests, bled out 100% of the time during sync
mod6: and DB_LOG_AUTO_REMOVE
mircea_popescu: hmm
mod6: at first, I just set max locks to 40000, and nothing else, but ended up with liek 265Gb of BDB Tx logs
ascii_modem: whole thing leaks like sieve
mod6: then after working on different things for a while, and looking at what is currently set in HEAD, went on to trim that shit out
mircea_popescu: Adlai: so paycoin has progressed from vaporware to real, nitrogen-rich altcoincrap? << no, but some derp who feels rich on the cash value a car monthy payment somehow figured he has something to say.
mod6: so now it keeps the BDB TX logs down to < 1Mb each, and I've never seen more than 60 of them in the ~/.bitcoin/database/ dir before being flushed out
mod6: <+ascii_modem> neh he snipped whole thing << yeah.
mod6: gone.
ascii_modem: ballast gone; how will lighten balloon now!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: 'amplification' idiocy is trivially tested for, and any isp which doesn't yank the offending lusers ought by all rights to be killed upstream << pretty much this, yes.
mod6: <+ascii_modem> speaking of - iirc it was gonna be configable chkpoints , not none at all ? << i guess i wasn't aware of the 'configurable' part, just was going by the todo list: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/0.5.3-todos
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mircea_popescu: mod6 i've been thinking about it, not entirely sure it actually belongs in the core.
ascii_modem: more important is configable p2p seeds
mircea_popescu: sounds more like a trim, for the toolbox
mircea_popescu: yes, that.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: i think the least damaging way is to kick nicks that are idle sing sing-on. asciilifeform: wanna idle for >5 min, get in wot. << yeah. i can see this, especially as people who wish to simply read logs can just as well read the webpage.
mod6: ok, i haven't looked into the part yet where it has been somehow spotted that the blocks seems to get pulled from one peer, instead of many. if p2p seeds refers to a way to get blocks in more of a torrent fashion, i agree.
mircea_popescu: lowers load on freenode, and if they're actually concerned there's whatever skullduggery going on they can just get into teh wot.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, it won't do anything for the case at hand, because well... dude can just get in the wot, what's the big deal.
mod6: (bullet point 4): fix behavior where blocks are downloaded from a single peer (what is the desired behavior here? - should be pretty much ripped off from SotA torrent trackers.)
mircea_popescu: ayup
mod6: ok. just wanted to make sure I understood :)
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: hm. how about 1 min auto voice on join for unseen nicks? << horribru
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: registered << same easy spamatron << moar horribru, now you're giving positive incentive to create unused accounts.
mod6: currently, the plan is to attempt to fix the leak that causes the R.I. to crash during full block sync. but we might end up rolling forward to version .7 and having to re-implement the 7 patches we currently have.
mod6: I'm not sure there is any easy way to back-port the raw tx api
mod6: thoughts?
PeterL: ;;later tell pete_dushenski hmm, your blog is on scoopbot's list, I am not sure why it is not shoing up, I will look into it
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: honestly im not sure whats worse, autoddos or autoban. << i really don't see much incentive to do anything at this point. i mean, the ddos guy was moreover useful, for as long as he kept iot up. i didn't think he's reliable, and he proved that much,so.. whatevs.
mircea_popescu: the disposing of drooling idiots is an unrelated matter, and if pursued at all should not be pursued in the heat of fake emergencies.
mircea_popescu: mod6 why exactly wouldn't be there be an easy way to simply insert raw txn ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: the observation that, on account of the log existing, we don't need human idlers for anything at all, was correct << at the very least they provide a passive certification of the log.
mod6: well, that maybe have been a poor choice of words.
mod6: when trying to back port something i thought would be as simple as import/dump private keys, it turned out that the changes were indeed far reaching in the code.
mircea_popescu: moreover, if there's a central repository of the log that's also an exclusive repository of the log, the incentive for nefarious idiots a la ninjashogun to attack it via social engineering increases
mircea_popescu: and since the fiat world mostl yexists as a staging scene for various social engineering attacks, from preet bharara onwards, this isn't a good design.
mod6: spent, probably a total of 16 hours on it. didn't get very far. and seeing as though the raw transactions api is 4 versions beyond (or something) v0.6.0, it might be very hard to do it that way.
mircea_popescu: mod6 at some point the code transforms an user indicated tx into an actual tx.
mircea_popescu: this must be hookable into, logically.
mod6: if nothing else, might just be a lot of work. perhaps do-able, just not a quick/easy way.
mircea_popescu: im missing something here.
mod6: probably not. i was just hoping to grab that stuff, and get it back-ported quickly.
mod6: i might just be dumb though. eheheh.
mircea_popescu: honestly i don't even know that the raw transaction power ranger implementation was ever read by anyone.
mircea_popescu: or for that matter at all tested.
mod6: it may not be. i had a feeling that it is widely used for some reason.
mircea_popescu: decimation: freenode seems to attract folks like mr. spam << has 0 to do with freenode. everything sweet attracts gnats.
mircea_popescu: mod6 it is somewhat used. not that widely. then again, linuxkernel is widely used. so what of it.
mod6: fair enough. perhaps this is not quite the urgent matter that I thought it might have been.
mod6: i'll stay the course on v0.5.3 and what we set out to do in january. will revisit this later in the month as was the plan anyway.
mod6: of course, as always, we welcome any help that anyone wants to give to achieve these goals.
mircea_popescu: ^
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: i think the main issue is he wont be able to take credit. << omfg the slanders.
Apocalyptic: <mircea_popescu> or for that matter at all tested. // not sure there is something to be really tested
mircea_popescu: it's code innit ?
Apocalyptic: in the sense it doesn't really check anything wallet related or something, it's supposed to just parse your JSON and send it to nodes
mircea_popescu: right.
mircea_popescu: so ?
Apocalyptic: so you meant to test such trivial things as parsings ?
mod6: yeah, but i just read too that if you don't set your change outputs, you'll end up sending like a huge tx fee.
mod6: so, well, i dunno, i guess "works as designed" or something, but a least do the guy a favor of a reach-around
mod6: let him know that he's about to send a 40 BTC tx fee. there are improvments that can be made perhaps
mod6: :]
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic in theory there is no difference between theory and practice.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, the project does need more resources. if you feel like reading and submitting the thing, signed, jurov's keeping the list and erryone'd be moar than happy.
Apocalyptic: actually after reading the relevant code there is some logic related to the mempool, so it may be worth some tests indeed
mod6: feel free to hit either ben_vulpes or me anytime if you wanna collaborate on that.
mod6: we appreciate any and all help on this endeavor
Apocalyptic: noted, I don't have that much free time at the moment
mod6: no sweat. we're not quite at that point anyway. as I was eluding to in the Address & ToDo, I'll update #b-a at some point during the month after we get this other leak sorted.
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mod6: if you still don't have any spare time, we'll figure out something.
mod6: <+ascii_modem> bdb begs for the axe << yes. it's awful.
Apocalyptic: and probably not that qualified as well, i'm no programmer in any sense, much less a C++ guru
mod6: aight no worries Apocalyptic :)
BingoBoingo: !up devthedev
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: mike_c: sure. <<< tis melting like april snow, the case.
mircea_popescu: mike_c: the solution being, we lock them out. << "if we kill all the babies, we will in fact have reduced infant mortality to an unmatchable 0 in subsequent years"
mircea_popescu: mike_c: that sucks << there's a lot more depth to this point than meets the eye. us children are inept these days first and foremost because they have been removed from the workplace in the 50s and 60s, under the guise of "safety" and the general nonsense where "Everything must be separated" that also yielded zoning laws etc.
mircea_popescu: there's a lot of benefit for any 7yo in having a close friend that lost some appendages to heavy machinery.
devthedev: Garza is unreal
mircea_popescu: what now ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: (i'd love to hear a rationale for it) << people other than nanotube are keeping track of the various scammers trying to use gribble.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: PeterL: you have to - yes. mr i-owned-fleanode nsa clerk - no. <<< yes, let him do this, love to see it.
mircea_popescu: security is not reducible to "build a really thick steel plate"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: re: wot: (question to all present) - how often do you re-read your own wot history? << weekly.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: even if you do, there is no guarantee that other readers see the same thing you see << yeah, there is.
mircea_popescu: nanotube: it is being worked on. but have a lot of other stuff on my plate. once everything is signed, there will not even be a need for something like "auth". <<< this is a good point. having identity implemented as a stateful thing is mindboggling anyway. stuff like cloaks and so on pale in comparison.
mircea_popescu: PeterL: so instead of just saying "eauth peterl", now we will say "eauth peterl <signature by key goes here>"? << conceivably, you'd say something like .rate url exactly hjow notary bot [used to] work
cazalla: coinfire, bitcointalk, bitcoin forum all get garza legal threats.. qntra? nothing, anything pop up in your inbox mircea_popescu ?
mircea_popescu: cazalla i get between a few and a dozen poorly cobbled together "legal threats" each week.
cazalla: none of any interest then i take it
mircea_popescu: occasionally there's some sec "senior attorney" gofer. the vast majority is X dude who doesn't like the fact that trilema maintains a copy of whatever stupid evil shit he did a few years ago and figures "hey, a few years ago means it never happened"
mircea_popescu: nothing signed "garza" at any rate
mircea_popescu: there's like... 6 different ones from ninjashogun AFTER hanbot wrote that post.
cazalla: lol
mircea_popescu: there's 9 from various ceos and assorted derps
mircea_popescu: protesting that their name IS THEIR PROPERTAH
mircea_popescu: and some more assorted dumb shit.
devthedev: heh
devthedev: Why does there always seem to be a lack of intelligent discussion on here? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=912442.msg10019113#msg10019113
assbot: [2014-01-02] QNTRA: Theymos Claims Josh Garza Is Sending Him Legal Threats... ... ( http://bit.ly/1EY8Kh8 )
mircea_popescu: there's also 723 pieces of email thanking me or otherwise discussing the wordpress hole. since the 16th.
mircea_popescu: my inbox is a job for a team of mules.
mircea_popescu: "asciilifeform: no actual human transmits $maxint whatevers from a single ip per second/hour/etc" except a) yes they do and b) 4kb should be enough for everyone.
mircea_popescu: decimation: although one wonders why mr. spam targets this channel instead of -otc << this is worth something.
mircea_popescu: same reason napoleon tried to invade moscow not magnitogorsk, same reason the barricades went up in paris not derpue-sur-herpoise
mircea_popescu: decimation mats : the situation with freenode is that it's basically a sinking ship / abandoned tech. the few hanger ons do not actually have the werewithal to do anything other than push the levers, which they sort-of understand how to do, but various rooms are constantly being sealed off because "it's too much". it's indubitable that freenode will eventually sink, and it won't take it decades, for this very reason.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, we're lazy.
mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 337243 | Current Difficulty: 4.064095501657649E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 338687 | Next Difficulty In: 1444 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 18 hours, 2 minutes, and 10 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 45943174930.0 | Estimated Percent Change: 13.04649
mircea_popescu: crybabi: but i won't be using bitbet again, charging a fee when you don't provide a service is no way to run a business << o.O
mircea_popescu: i suppose providing a service doesn't count as providing a service except in those cases where the beneficiary is happy with the outcome or something ?
mircea_popescu: i suppose if there wasn't an obamacare "you don't have to pay your own medical bills" the us consumer'd "have come to expect" that he only pays if the surgery/treatment is successful.
mircea_popescu: "hi, i had my tits done at your clinic two weeks ago but my husband left me for a younger woman anyway so i'd like a refund now because you didn't provide a service".
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: BitBet mixer is why I thought prop stakes were refunded minus fee << that's like advanced class.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 4857 @ 0.00084499 = 4.1041 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: re : http://www.warplife.com/mdc/essays/business/self-employment.html
assbot: Self Employment: Even on a Good Day Things are Hard ... ( http://bit.ly/1zJFjXL )
mircea_popescu: "They spent several months testing my code, comparing its performance with their old database, which was pretty primitive but known to be reliable." vs "If their application went down for even a day, it would cost them hundreds of thousands of dollars. This was a common occurrence, as their existing application was pretty buggy."
mircea_popescu: the guy's lying through his teeth, michael o church style ?
mircea_popescu: "This was a single Windows executable with well over a hundred man-years of blood, sweat and tears invested in it." idiot, srsly.
mircea_popescu: "10 reasons Preet Bharara should be the next attorney general" "Investment banks were most responsible for the devastating economic downturn, yet the costs of their opportunistic behavior were placed on the shoulders of everyday Americans, who lost jobs, retirement savings, and confidence in the market."
mircea_popescu: yep, the roland freiser thing is quite on point. fucking fatlogic, well done cnn.
mircea_popescu: they even have the unmitigated audacity to add that violation of the indian diplomat on his cv as if it were a positive.
mircea_popescu: iiincredible what pravda can print.
mircea_popescu: "The nation would be well-served to elevate Bharara from the "Sheriff of Wall Street" to chief federal law-enforcement officer."
mircea_popescu: ahem.
mircea_popescu: ahaha check out the coincidence of all time http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-12-2014#957468 i ended up right in the middle of the dramaz ?☝︎
assbot: Logged on 19-12-2014 18:37:28; mircea_popescu: o.O check itout, new names ?
mircea_popescu: "Hey friends, reddit cryptocurrency engineer here. The post is deliberately vague about technology and legal. For one, we're holding back on committing to a particular technology just because the bitcoin world changes very fast, and we want to make sure we pick the right choice. However, almost certainly it will be either colored coins or sidechains."
mircea_popescu: lol reddit coin. mkay.
mircea_popescu: so basically doge v2.0, because the fucktards must have a "moon rocket".
mircea_popescu: im sure it'll work out so very differently from the first version, because yes, totally, people matter and their desires change reality.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: mthreat, mircea_popescu: http://bubblear.com/bloody-hell-argentinas-import-restrictions-cause-tampon-shortage/ << corroboration? <<< utter nonsense.
assbot: Bloody Hell: Argentina's Import Restrictions Cause Tampon Shortage | The Bubble | News from Argentina ... ( http://bit.ly/1tHW4Go )
mircea_popescu: "kakobrekla: On a good note, Judge Rakoff called me a brilliant visionary and that he admires my brainpower. #bitcoin" << shrem's retarded, basically.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-12-2014#957658 <<< in practice, this worked out to "the reporting facilitated FBI's lying about imaginary north korean hackers, and thoroughly embarassing themselves to a degree not seen since bush swore he personaly saw saddam's terrorism stash".☝︎
assbot: Logged on 20-12-2014 03:10:14; decimation: http://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/update-on-sony-investigation << there is an air of desperation here: "Sony reported this incident within hours, which is what the FBI hopes all companies will do when facing a cyber attack. Sony’s quick reporting facilitated the investigators’ ability to do their jobs, and ultimately to identify the source of these attacks."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform seriously, if this meta-nsa exists, how come the fbi is this impotent ?
mircea_popescu: i mean, seriously. what agency in the history of that business would ever, under any circumstances, make such a ridiculous blunder ?
mircea_popescu: that stuff happens once all the actual agents left, and the remaining bureaucrats understandably have no self respect or career spirit.
mircea_popescu: the fbi as it currently stands has not the werewithal to extract itself from a paper bag. and i mean that literally, if i kidnapped them all and dropped them in rural kansas they'd prolly never make it back to headquarters.
mircea_popescu: decimation: It's good that reporters apologize for asking questions, makes the situation clear for the little people <<< seriously, since when does the press EVEN GO to prepared statement and catering sort of affairs ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-12-2014#957685 versus http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-02-2014#487026 ☝︎☝︎
assbot: Logged on 20-12-2014 03:34:37; decimation: http://www.nextgov.com/cybersecurity/2014/12/opm-alerts-feds-second-background-check-breach/101622/ << "The Office of Personnel Management is alerting more than 48,000 federal employees their personal information may have been exposed following a breach at KeyPoint Government Solutions, which conducts background investigations of federal employees seeking security clearances."
assbot: Logged on 07-02-2014 15:23:38; mircea_popescu: next step : Bitcoin regulates the USG.
mircea_popescu: note it took them HALF A YEAR to figure out we actually do know where they live.
mircea_popescu: how secure can one feel, as a mid range us bureaucrat, given these revelations ? the usg can not protect you, yo.
mircea_popescu: not even today.
mircea_popescu: what will it do in 2025, when you will ostensibly still wish to eat ? to avoid daily beatings ? to not be fed, live, to specially prepared hungry pigs ?
cazalla: giant pigs straight from hannibal eh
cazalla: well, i always wanted to be a farmer!
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: the "press" is so fuycking lulzy. check this out :
mircea_popescu: ;;google "GSHK heavy-machine guns"
gribble: It's not just the savagery of Isis that is shocking – its weaponry is too ...: <http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/the-savagery-of-isisis-shocking--and-so-too-is-its-weaponry-9700476.html>; DShK - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DShK>; Category:Multi-barrel machine guns - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: ;;google DSHK heavy-machine guns
gribble: DShK - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DShK>; Shooting a DShK Heavy Machine Gun - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgXWJEZzFHE>; Modern Firearms - DShK / DShKM 12.7 heavy machine gun: <http://world.guns.ru/machine/mg03-e.htm>
mircea_popescu: what, get the letters right ?! whai!
mircea_popescu: i guess it's going to now be called "gushka"
mircea_popescu: decimation: asciilifeform: I doubt there will be a 'day of reckoning' w.r.t. tor. it will just turn off and the derps will move on << pretty much exactly.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: But this way they win the SEO
mircea_popescu: and all the agents involved, as well as the plethora of idiots, will just duly update their cv to reflect their certified expertise and act as if you know, they know shit.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i guess they do at that.
cazalla: how fucking eerie is this.. open up trilema.com http://i.imgur.com/0pYGadA.png
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Deinni )
mircea_popescu: cazalla it's emerging ai huh ?
cazalla: mircea_popescu, i can't discount the chance you served that up specifically to my ip, who knows eh
mircea_popescu: you can, cuz i didn't.
mircea_popescu: decimation: no word on whether microsoft is going to be held liable for ridiculously poor engineering < :)))
mircea_popescu: that'd be the lulz of all time tho, sony sueing microsoft for lost revenues etc.
mircea_popescu: i'd watch that, and that's the first entertainment sony ever made that i'd watch.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: afaik every word of the history of the two koreas available in the english language, since the first days leading up to the war, is a cheap fabrication.<< in no way different from the same words available in juche language
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kakobrekla: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 298.65, Best ask: 299.5, Bid-ask spread: 0.85000, Last trade: 298.54, 24 hour volume: 10515.82939934, 24 hour low: 297.97, 24 hour high: 316.92, 24 hour vwap: 307.533361503
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7928 @ 0.00062708 = 4.9715 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 299.3, Best ask: 299.92, Bid-ask spread: 0.62000, Last trade: 299.92, 24 hour volume: 11393.86973249, 24 hour low: 297.0, 24 hour high: 316.83, 24 hour vwap: 306.511884368
mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 337290 | Current Difficulty: 4.064095501657649E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 338687 | Next Difficulty In: 1397 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 5 hours, 13 minutes, and 24 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 45855462688.8 | Estimated Percent Change: 12.83067
mircea_popescu: decimation: asciilifeform: either from ore or paying the ransom required to get intel et. al. to completely open the design for a chipset <<< or else simply sony-ing it.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2014#958078 << cultist.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 21-12-2014 11:41:37; jurov: bwahaha SYSTEMD IS ALWAYS RIGHT
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes "To some extent, yes. I spent almost a decade investing in early stage startups, and curiously enough protecting yourself against obsolete beliefs is exactly what you have to do to succeed as a startup investor." << yes, you miss the part where he never succeeded as a start-up investor.
mircea_popescu: he succeeded as an easy money usg moocher, which is i suppose something he justifies to himself as "being an expert in a later version of the world"
mircea_popescu: except the usg is not a version of the world, it's merely a version of graham & co's beliefs.
mircea_popescu: the problem with those being singularly that they diverge from the world.
scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/minigame-smg-december-2014-statement/
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: 'Please could we stick to the technical aspects of this problem. Attempts to apportion responsibilty rarely lead anywhere.' << immediately shoot in the head anyone saying this. help make the world a better place.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2014#958151 << lmao too good. "oh b-a is a cult because it points and laugh at us. what's this, something malfunctioning ? no no it's a feature. oh wait, devs actually admit it was a bug ? uhhh... we're just the us agitprop machine, wut."☝︎
assbot: Logged on 21-12-2014 18:02:01; asciilifeform: which, it turns out, the systemd pushers reflexively defended as a feature.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: mats: Maybe MP should stay on vacation? ;/
mircea_popescu: BUT I WORK REALLY HARD!
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-12-2014#958222 << look at this, decimation said exactly what i said half a day earlier than me.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 22-12-2014 01:27:18; decimation: this guy (along with his brother) > http://www.forbes.com/profile/donald-newhouse/ <owns advance publications, which owns reddit
mircea_popescu: i honestly hadn't read it. great cults think alike!
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thestringpuller: happy birthday genesis block
mircea_popescu: good point heh.
mircea_popescu: mats: then shadowban 90% of posters <<< can only shadowban 10% of users. because percents, and "new version of the world"
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-12-2014#958248 << gotta watch those old versions of the world, yo, lest sam altman gives you a "doesn't understand how the world works" black star.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 22-12-2014 02:21:10; decimation: some bum who camps next to the George Washington bridge also has 300,000 'views' per day - that doesn't transform him into a 'profitable business'
thestringpuller: lol, "bitcoin miami con. ference."
mircea_popescu: undata: mats: was there some more specific strategy with the brick than "fuck this wrist..." ? << i also think the guy had the right idea. "when confronted with bullshit, escalate."
adlai is so glad that he's not paying for his miami btc attendance
kakobrekla: you are going there?!
adlai: plans finalized weeks ago
mats: https://www.mail-archive.com/openssl-dev@openssl.org/msg37790.html
assbot: [openssl-dev] EC key generation in broken in all versions ... ( http://bit.ly/1A5YBvN )
mircea_popescu: decimation: it would probably be okay for dictating an email or whatever << this mostly exposes the unfounded belief that coding is for men while emails is for women. in point of fact, adding an extra byte error in some derpy code is irrelevant. for one thing, it would not be the only one. for another thing, it's just code. meanwhile, i shudder at the thought of byte errors in my emails.
mircea_popescu: ahaha wut mats
mats: it looks bad
mircea_popescu: "Because OpenSSL gently handles leading zero bytes in a private key, I'm quite sure that a correction of the EC key encoding has no impact."
mircea_popescu: basically, leading 0s / bad padding. not so much of a practical issue
adlai: garzacoin shilling is getting quite intense, though. i've even met irl paycoin shills at a local meetup, and it's sad how clueless they are of their role in the larger scam (or sad how they can't get a decent stage acting gig, and have to do this shit instead)
mircea_popescu: but definitely not the only cockroach inthat room.
mircea_popescu: adlai why on that later part ?
mircea_popescu: unemployed actors have always been indistinguishable from bums. this for very good reason, without this mud on the pond bottom, no lotus.
mircea_popescu adds Annie Yousar to the list of women in tech he likes.
thestringpuller: "Why don't we just shoot nuclear waste of our atmosphere and into the Sun?" "Because it's stupid expensive and it's stupid dangerous if a rocket blows up on the launchpad. Please don't do this."
mircea_popescu: nah, it's actually the only sensible solution.
mircea_popescu: also where it's headed. the entire "o we hate this that and the other" verbiage peripheral to energy generation today is entirely born out of abundance.
mircea_popescu: once shit starts running out...
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thestringpuller: !b 1
kakobrekla: well sorry to hear that adlai :)
mircea_popescu: Preet Baharara is himself specifically concerned that the defense wants to bring up:
mircea_popescu: "views concerning the propriety of U.S. or international drug laws or the propriety of government regulation of individual conduct or commerce on the Internet"
mircea_popescu: heh.
mircea_popescu: and this shouldn't be a point of discussion in that trial because... they know they'll lose ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-12-2014#958376 << check out the wary, restrained suspicious look of the italian guy in the back. testament to the insane pressure everyone's under, for literally no good reason.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 22-12-2014 06:04:16; fluffypony: incredible photo of a cop beating a black man in New York: http://i.imgur.com/H3NPEbi.jpg
mircea_popescu: "o but it was on tv"
adlai: actually looks like the cop is getting his ass handed to him
mircea_popescu: mhm.
mircea_popescu: cazalla "Qntra first began sounding the alarm in regards suspicious claims made by GAW Miners back in October of 2014 and despite these warnings, it has largely gone ignored until the past few days whereby it has exploded all over /r/bitcoin." dja mean qntra or gaw has been largely ignored ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-12-2014#958408 << i agree, not a bad use of 402☝︎
assbot: Logged on 22-12-2014 07:07:40; fluffypony: thestringpuller: what's lol about that? reasonable use of an unused HTTP code, and I don't think that there's anything wrong with the plugin they've developed
mircea_popescu: "I want to know how this scamming company are finding out the reservation numbers, the dates, the contact details, there's a lot of private information there," she said.
mircea_popescu: A spokesperson for Booking.com told Money Box the firm is working with police on how to prevent future phishing attacks. They declined to be interviewed.
mircea_popescu: heh.
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mircea_popescu: ;;seen austeritysucks
gribble: austeritysucks was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 3 days, 17 hours, 6 minutes, and 26 seconds ago: <austeritysucks> ok have a good one cazalla you too
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: and the whole greenwald/poitras/etc shitgnome gang <<< very little has been made of this, but here'd be a great angle for investigative jouralism :
mircea_popescu: all the asshole "lefties" for pay that helped the usg "react to" snowden have made money out of it. the old system where a "random hero" was selected to be held up as a fetish for the masses, "explaining" their poverty and justifying their pointless struggle is giving way, out of sheer exhaustion of resources,
mircea_popescu: to the typically corrupt latter soviet system where that hero is a hero of the union.
mircea_popescu: so, look into the bank accounts of all those invovled, see who's made a little bezzlebucks they had no perspective of making in 2005
mircea_popescu: decimation: imagine if the billions poured into 'cybersecurity' were spent on constructing an actual secure terminal from first principles << there's a fundamental problem with soft, fiat, paper money, that it can't be used for arbitrary purposes, which is the very meaning of "soft" in their name.
mircea_popescu: there's that quip about how it's easy enough to get women to do what they want to do anyway, getting them to do what should actually be done is the headache.
mircea_popescu: this is exactly how soft money work : you can easily "spend" billions in scrip to get loafers to loaf around.
mircea_popescu: you could not get a single dolphin to fly, nor a single loafer to work, for an infinity in scrip. because it's not "in their nature"
mircea_popescu: specifically, not in the loafer's nature to chance, he needs to be coerced. and not in the scrip's nature to coerce, it'd have to be hard money for that.
mircea_popescu: in this sense, some guys stranded on a deserted island COULD build a coconut trading empire where they just keep selling and buying the same three dried old coconuts to the point where their imaginary "economy" far outstrips the whole combined world trade.
mircea_popescu: what they couldn't ever do, no matter what nominal value each coconut theoretically reaches, is buy a sloop.
mircea_popescu: even if the coconut goes for ten trillion "dollars" on their island, and a sloop never costs 1mn
mircea_popescu: so in this sense, thinking of bitcoin as even having a dollar value other than infinity is nonsense.
mircea_popescu: i can use my bitcoin to pay for a hit on obama. one can't even use his dollars in lumps larger than 10k, we don't even get to discuss the content because the form already trips us up.
mircea_popescu: in any case, money and us dollars aren't fungible, and so no, nobody could ever have used the billions poured into cybersecurity for any useful purpose.
mircea_popescu: that money only existed for as long as it wasn't put to work, much like buffett's billions worth of chewinggum empires
danielpbarron: !up ascii_modem
ascii_modem: ty
ascii_modem: that money only existed for as long as it wasn't put to work << definition of bezzle, aha
ascii_modem: else simply sony-ing it << only question is how to make the buggers keep the 'sony-d' chip in print.
ascii_modem: notice how more or less full docs for 15+ y.o. pc components can usually be had (perhaps minus the backdoors & easter eggs, but sufficient for kernel devs)
ascii_modem: but invariably this happens only when the chip can no longer be met with even in a scrapyard.
ascii_modem: how come the fbi is this impotent ? << because it is slated for replacement with a new gendarmerie. i thought we went over this
mircea_popescu: no, sony the whole thing
mircea_popescu: keep chip in print yourself.
ascii_modem: lol which 'yourself' ? and how to know it wasn't a hangout design
ascii_modem: see siberian pipeline.
mircea_popescu: how does isis know the dushkas aren't really "gushkas" ?
ascii_modem: aha. see 'eldest son'
ascii_modem: (usa mixed tetryl into gunpowder and slipped the cartridges behind north vietnamese lines)
mircea_popescu: decimation: one gets the picture that usg 'leaders' think of themselves as being above such trivialities as secure communications << this is not as unlikely as itmay seem. at a time when caesar came up with the pgp of that time, most of the senate a) loled at the nonsense ; b) wondered which gods caesar was praying to to be that successful.
mircea_popescu: ascii_modem different usa.
mircea_popescu: by the way ascii_modem! teh world eagerly awaits a letter from you. seeing how we missed the previous opportunity
ascii_modem: soon as i get home ( visiting phamily )
mircea_popescu: how's family ?
ascii_modem: sleeping.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: wake me up when a 'minuteman' is pwned and sent off on an unsanctioned joyride. << that may require fixing them.
ascii_modem: so before my battery dies: fbi will be swapped out for janissary corps of some description
ascii_modem: just as courts will be freislerized under herr bhararra
mircea_popescu: nah
mircea_popescu: it doesn't actually have the oomph to carry it through
mircea_popescu: that'd be the fate of an actual, vital, functioning empire.
ascii_modem: and devil knows what other mutations will be - attempted
mircea_popescu: this one... will just dissolve.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2014#959765 and http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2014#959724 ☝︎☝︎
assbot: Logged on 24-12-2014 08:40:19; jurov: <mircea_popescu> somehow nobody goes "o look, mp paid 100s of btc so bitcoin financial space may exist" << you know, that space practically does not exist for them
assbot: Logged on 24-12-2014 03:30:09; asciilifeform: all that resulted was a leak, of facts which anglo media will never print - so it's almost as good, from their point of view, as 'never happened'
mircea_popescu: errything's world with teh wrong!
ascii_modem: i still want to learn how they intend to keep dpr from mouthing off in the cage
ascii_modem: muzzle ?
mircea_popescu: threaten him with being kick out if he does.
mircea_popescu: likely, the same education that produced retardo-shrem had some effect on him too
mircea_popescu: fail that, kick him out of his own trial, hold the whole thing stalin-style
mircea_popescu: they'd rather not, but it's purely an aesthetic preference.
ascii_modem: i suspect he'll be shown the instruments.
mircea_popescu: eh what instruments.
ascii_modem: perhaps simply the inside of two different prisons
mircea_popescu: men afraid of prisons are like women afraid of cocks.
ascii_modem: they'll show him a пресс-хата
ascii_modem: (specially-prepared cell full of eager beavers of wtf the current eng term is for them)
mircea_popescu: is that a FEMININE ?!
ascii_modem: press-hut
ascii_modem: as in peine forte et dure
mircea_popescu: but it's press-hutte
ascii_modem: aha
mircea_popescu: lawl.
mircea_popescu: russian is almost romanian in its sense of sarcasm.
ascii_modem: arbitrary genderings, as in , e.g. french
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: misery keeps us feed. <<< that kicked ass lol
mircea_popescu: ;;google mika epstein daterange:2457024-2457026
gribble: Mika Epstein aka Ipstenu is a thoroughly clueless poser pe Trilema ...: <http://trilema.com/2015/mika-epstein-aka-ipstenu-is-a-thoroughly-clueless-poser/>; WordPress › Support » HostIP.info not working: <https://wordpress.org/support/topic/2198237>; Mailbag: Where Do I Start Learning? - Half-Elf on Tech: <http://halfelf.org/2015/mailbag-start-learning/>
mircea_popescu: heh.
mircea_popescu: !up justusranvier
mircea_popescu: !up austeritysucks
mircea_popescu: davout: BingoBoingo: i really like your articles <<< i agree, the man's showing real talent.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 30077 @ 0.00005013 = 1.5078 BTC [-] {3}
scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/bitbet-sbbet-december-2014-statement/
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: xilinx ships a set of identially-functioning turdlibraries for both languages. << one wonders how they actually achieved this.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BUT I WORK REALLY HARD! << But it stabilized S.MPOE
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: at the risk of repeating the last 100+ xilinx threads <<< basically, there was no torvalds for hardware. yet.
mircea_popescu: phocus an' emphasis on yet.
ben_vulpes dreams lightly of litho processes and large gates
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [02:37:56] kakobrekla: he is just caught in a local pain minimum. <<< kako is like our blind slovenly prophet. he knows teh truths! << blind somalian i thot ;)
mircea_popescu: it's complicated.
kakobrekla: jesus bbet div incident again. this is worse than if it was automated.
mircea_popescu: much worse.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: see the siberian pipeline incident. << i am not convinced by this sole flower.
mircea_popescu: pretty much every industrial project fails in some manner or another before being complete.
mircea_popescu: the russians are possibly sloppier than average.
mircea_popescu: in that sea of diverse failure, that malware was involved in like... one in a decade fails to even register
mircea_popescu: and this without as much as considering the wilful part. to propose that the us has any control over the ineptitude it peddles (not just software - their politics of "democracy" are equally inept, and just as eagerly exported) past the simple "it'll suck" strikes me as nonsense.
mircea_popescu: you might as well claim a tb patient is god, because he can kill people. sort-of.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: what should he want on top of this ? << the world is not made either by or for the content.
mircea_popescu: decimation: if the world were reversed and china was designing stuff for us foundries to stamp out, it would certainly be the case that us folks would try to do it themselves << in 1814 this actually was the case, except china was england.
mircea_popescu: in 2014 ? no wai. ascii's description of the chinaman suits the usian much closer than it suits the intended subject.
mircea_popescu: decimation: complexity is intentional, to lock everybody in <<< while this may be true, it is also in economical terms an anti-moat. not only does it not make it hard for competitors to compete, it actually makes it easy.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: the freedom of the semiconductor belongs - not! to the fellow with the factory - but the one who controlls the entire process stack << so much bull. and i suppose the freedom of the press belongs to conde nast, because mp can't write a blong and it can't be more widely read than mashable because wikipedia won't admit to it and that matters. o.O and okay...
mircea_popescu: Adlai: so what's the roadmap for liberating honest silicon's ability to self-reproduce from the monkeys that are trying to choke it down? a) make cardano ; b) make next product ; c) keep doing this.
mircea_popescu: keep nipping from the sides until eventually, have a complete, us-independent computing stack. start open war on the patent idiots, put everyone ever involved in jail, starve them slowly, publish pictures in a specially created memorial etc etc.
kakobrekla: #deed http://trilema.com/2015/bitbet-sbbet-december-2014-statement/#comment-111116
assbot: BitBet (S.BBET) December 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1HpbaTH )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54473 @ 0.00062038 = 33.794 BTC [+] {2}
ben_vulpes: kakobrekla: got my hopes up for a second there
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22800 @ 0.00056887 = 12.9702 BTC [-] {7}
BingoBoingo: ;;gettrust darsie
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask darsie!~darsie@80-110-73-160.cgn.dynamic.surfer.at. Trust relationship from user BingoBoingo to user darsie: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=BingoBoingo&dest=darsie | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=darsie | Rated since: Sun Jul 1 16:42:17 2012
BingoBoingo: <gribble> #21874 || darsie || BUY 1.0 1 kg uranium @ 100 EUR || e.g. counterweight, projectile, radiation shield. I'm not sure if that's a reasonable price since an aircraft company had trouble finding a dump where they could get rid of some counterweights. I'm open for other amounts or some thorium metal/compounds, highly radioactive stuff like mushrooms from Chernobyl and a ~1 kg piece of tungsten at/near theoretical density.
BingoBoingo: scoopbot -fetch
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/01/espn-sold-their-bitcoins/
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_modem
ascii_modem: ty BingoBoingo
ascii_modem: see the siberian pipeline incident. << i am not convinced by this sole flower. <<<< an attributable wreck is a failed mission, really
mircea_popescu: ;;seen punkman
gribble: punkman was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 22 hours, 45 minutes, and 46 seconds ago: <punkman> if I wasn't already smoker, I'd probably start right about now
ascii_modem: the silent, tedious corrosion of everything even vaguely computerized, on account of winblows - that's a modern usg win.
mircea_popescu: how is it a win lol.
ascii_modem: ephialtes doesnt care abou straightening own back - knows it's a fantasy - but happy to turn everyone else into hunchback.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> how is it a win lol. << If USG accepts it can't have nice things it can try to still be kind of the dump
mircea_popescu: re BingoBoingo's piece : bitpay ended up buying VIEWERS at 150 usd/CPM ?
mircea_popescu: pretty bad deal.
ascii_modem: lol! i can't even readily distinguish this incident from the ordinary background radiation of perverse chumpatronicity that surrounds everything sport-related at all times...
BingoBoingo: Par for that advertising chumpatron
mircea_popescu: still a horrible use of dollars. apple got to be apple by paying about 2-5% of that, over a decade.
mircea_popescu: compared to that discipline, the impact of jobs' "genius" is overstated.
mircea_popescu: in completely unrelated idiocy : "No Javascript You are seeing this page because you do not have Javascript enabled in your browser. Unshorten.It! requires Javascript to function. "
ascii_modem: wat
mircea_popescu: meanwhile $ curl -v http://t.co/NSgTQv1tyN
assbot: Investigations in the bone heap of the lost generation. Today, Mashable. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1A71lsD )
mircea_popescu: location: http://trilema.com/2015/investigations-in-the-bone-heap-of-the-lost-generation-today-mashable/
assbot: Investigations in the bone heap of the lost generation. Today, Mashable. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1A71lsS )
mircea_popescu: because the web is fucking useless.
thestringpuller: you're on a modem? I fall asleep for 2 hours and the world is back int he dark ages?
ascii_modem: radiomodem
thestringpuller: did you have to dial a telephone number too XD
ascii_modem: neh
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> still a horrible use of dollars. apple got to be apple by paying about 2-5% of that, over a decade. << It's a fake money problem really. Too many VC dollars that can't actually buy things so they go marketing pissing matches.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo amusingly enough, they did get the right ideas earlier, just no execution. this i suppose is much easier.
ascii_modem: that which can be bought with toy money - will be
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, earlier they needed discipline to avoid starving.
BingoBoingo: We'll know Ethereum is dead when Vitalik puts of Vastly more money for a New Years day bowl.
mircea_popescu: heh. that's ok, we kinda knwo it's dead already.
ascii_modem: it fired its load
ascii_modem: to still palpable effect
mircea_popescu: i can't palp it ? how do you do it ?
ascii_modem: sank btc/usd. and this is the one time of year when i can feel it on on skin
mircea_popescu: heh nonsense.
ascii_modem: (recently paid for conf3)
mircea_popescu: you might as well say it global warmed.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1800 @ 0.00082499 = 1.485 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: decimation: maybe 'honest' silicon valley is impossible, in the same way that it's impossible for the two prisoners to coorperate, even if it is in their best interests << actually the two prisoners cooperate more often than not.
ascii_modem: waterfalled
mircea_popescu: ascii_modem looky, the 12 btc or w/e random reddit noob threw under the bus in that scam does not to any degree figure.
ascii_modem: 30000 ?
mircea_popescu: get out.
ascii_modem: now i can't say they physically existed
ascii_modem: but intended effect - is there.
mircea_popescu: so is global warming.
mircea_popescu: buterin did it!
ascii_modem: with mighty fart
mircea_popescu: (i'm somehow confused as to how the slackening btc affects you anyway, not like the conference became more expensive ?!)
ascii_modem: in btc
mircea_popescu: but if you just bought it, you just bought howevermany needed. 100 or 0.1, same thing to you, just a token
ascii_modem: can't get btc here by buying like cement
mircea_popescu: i dun follow ?
ascii_modem: i get paid in bzollars
mircea_popescu: ok...?
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 298.08, Best ask: 298.96, Bid-ask spread: 0.88000, Last trade: 297.91, 24 hour volume: 12530.87351372, 24 hour low: 297.0, 24 hour high: 316.83, 24 hour vwap: 305.118530684
mircea_popescu: o hey, look at that, under 300 even
ascii_modem: these are not convertible to btc except via humiliating pederast temples
mircea_popescu: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2883651/U-S-military-shot-MH370-thought-hacked-used-terror-attack-claims-former-airline-boss.html
assbot: 'US military shot down MH370' claims former Proteus Airlines boss | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1A755dH )
mircea_popescu: wait wait, so one of the miusing planes WAS ACTUALLY SHOT BY THE US ?
mircea_popescu: and they're still covering it up ?
BingoBoingo: <ascii_modem> these are not convertible to btc except via humiliating pederast temples << Local "Rent to Own" Chumpatron reportedly sells BTC via something called LibertyX Seems to fit the definition of Pederast temple
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_modem
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: has anyone ever messed around with sighash_anyonecanpay? <<< not afaik.
ascii_modem: airplane << notice the sop 'dailymailization' tactic
mircea_popescu: yet another one of those very useful contributions of contributirs contributing.
mircea_popescu: ascii_modem i noticed it and ignored it.
ascii_modem: insta-anticredibility spray
mircea_popescu: looking forward to more of the "oh mp is such a conspiracy nut" stuff.
mircea_popescu: nope. doth not work.
ascii_modem: 'works when used as prescribed'
mircea_popescu: nope. it only works in the sense placebo is medicine.
mircea_popescu: placebo is not medicine, even if it "works".
mircea_popescu: for it to work it'd have to actually work.
mircea_popescu: but forget about me for a second. drudge beheaded clinton, the libtards' most beloved president (mostly because he destroyed banks and everyone's savings to put 100k black bums in houses they can't afford and meanwhile destroeyd)
mircea_popescu: all through, and years before, and years after they tried this "works" thing.
mircea_popescu: it did not save their president. it did nothing else.
mircea_popescu: it doth not work.
ascii_modem: worked re: kenney, for instance.
ascii_modem: kennedy
ascii_modem: damn this kbd
mircea_popescu: kennedy ?
ascii_modem: removal of
mircea_popescu: gimme a break will you, or else ima summon preet the friendly parrot to bar you from referencing stuff happening 20 years ago
mircea_popescu: statue of lithmusations, yo!
mircea_popescu: and currently it's "working" on rush limbaugh, and it's working so well the guy's audience's never been better
mircea_popescu: and all his dingy scams selling gold and other crap to mentally disabled senior citizens goes by flying.
ascii_modem: he, iirc, is the american zhirinovsky
ascii_modem: i.e. controlled , harmless clown
mircea_popescu: so this magical dust "works" except it doesn't but it's okay because when it doesn't the shaman didn't really want it to ?
mircea_popescu: at some point you gotta accept fact-based evidence.
ascii_modem: i'll say it stopped working when, e.g., pentagon missile is discussed - at a tribunal, followed by hangings
ascii_modem: of everyone involved in the coverups
mircea_popescu: these aren't in any sense the same thing.
mircea_popescu: you're proposing it works to the multitudes, this is a test of political will.
mircea_popescu: i'll hang them, with or without discussion, with or without "the public", once it's ripe. how's the "works" dust going to do anything either way then ?
mircea_popescu: or before then ? or after ?
ascii_modem: then - right, works no more
ascii_modem: meanwhile, something is standing between these folks and the lampposts
mircea_popescu: sure. but not that.
mircea_popescu: if it were that, they'd be dangling.
mircea_popescu: adlai: for the record, i think that's a shame and a sin, and that y'all are a little silly for this << do explain.
mircea_popescu: or perhaps you're going to entertain polite doubt as to the proper count of three beads to better fit with the lazy posing as retarded ?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: your cl is oddly object oriented << o.O
mircea_popescu: that's a serious insult is it ?
ascii_modem: for the record, 'clos' is, as of today, the only non-retarded incarnation of that concept yet built
ascii_modem: with the possible exception of its immediate ancestor, 'flavours'
ascii_modem: see classic text 'art of the metaobject protocol'
ascii_modem: clos was not conceived by or for semiliterate labourers, like other 'object' systems
ascii_modem: but by and for folks occasionally working in difficult domains where no other model fits
ascii_modem: e.g. 'cad'
kakobrekla added 'show more' under 'latest comments' and 'latest bets placed' on front page of bitbet.
BingoBoingo: http://dpaste.com/24NMBFT
assbot: dpaste: 24NMBFT ... ( http://bit.ly/14kYDTq )
mircea_popescu: not bad kakobrekla
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform, ascii_modem: i'll get to know it eventually. only now beginning to dabble with McCLIM at gabriel_laddel's suggestion.
ben_vulpes: for now, none of my problem domains need modeling with any sort of "objects".
mircea_popescu: heh, the problem with the f-35 isn't "stealth"
mircea_popescu: the problem with the f35 is the usg.
ben_vulpes: "stealth" aircraft is a straight up retarded concept.
mircea_popescu: this constant trying to unload blame for very personal, very peculiar, very speciffic and very narrow incompetence and idiocy on facts of math, physics and the world generally is ridoinculous.
ben_vulpes: "that 2x2 thing up at 30kft moving at mach 1.8 couldn't *possibly* be an airplane!"
mircea_popescu: the problem of f-35 is "transgender rights" and "women in tech" and "check your priviledge"
mircea_popescu: not stealth.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes the discussion can't possibly reach those merits,
mircea_popescu: because it dies much earlier on.
ben_vulpes: come now, the obsession with stealth is a great indicator of how moronic US armsmithing's become.
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> "that 2x2 thing up at 30kft moving at mach 1.8 couldn't *possibly* be an airplane!" << I though it couldn't get anywhere near that fast because it is too fat.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: the point is that "stealth" merely reduces the cross section, doesn't render things invisible.
ben_vulpes: "could it be a UFO, boss?"
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes this is true, but i'd state it like this :
mircea_popescu: air war is by its nature an attrition war. airplanes are made to be destroyed, fundamentally.
mircea_popescu: this plain fact meeting the us' unwillingness to actually fight created a mirage : the jet fighter that's not really a jet fighter
ben_vulpes: ha that's an amusing point.
mircea_popescu: in this sense, like the flying submarine or the pocket tank, it's pure nonsense.
mircea_popescu: the correct focus, when it comes to airfight, is cheapness. as the germans well proved, and then the allies well learned from them.
ben_vulpes: let's not forget the nips.
mircea_popescu: but to be a warlike country that'd require warlike men. and that is not something the current us can support.
mircea_popescu is asia-ignorant.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20424 @ 0.00056694 = 11.5792 BTC [-] {2}
ben_vulpes: bamboo suicide planes, the stories hold.
ben_vulpes is no wwii japanese historian either
ben_vulpes: but!
mircea_popescu: lol
ben_vulpes: the limit of this curve has some interesting hints for the future of air combat.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, the most successful airstrike in human history
mircea_popescu: was carried out by men that didn't even own the fucking plane they used.
mircea_popescu: rented fucking aircraft! BY THE SEAT!
ben_vulpes: unmanned vehicles can pull arbitrary g loads, and be made across the spectrum of capability in a way that the manned vehicles currently aren't (probably couldn't be, due to procurement processes).
mircea_popescu: it's where they're trying to go with the drones neh ?
ben_vulpes: usg?
mircea_popescu: ya
mircea_popescu: well, everyone with a drone program
ben_vulpes: usg seems to be going out of its way to avoid anything smart with drones.
mircea_popescu: usg, china, russia, korea, etc
ben_vulpes: going so far as to build planes and fleets purpose designed to be vulnerable to swarm attacks.,
mircea_popescu: no argument there.
mircea_popescu: "oh, nobody'd dare sink an aircraft carrier."
mircea_popescu: sort-of like the misbehaving nerd who imagines his school experience is life experience. "oh, he wouldn't REALLY punch me in the face."
ben_vulpes: http://qntra.net/2015/01/espn-sold-their-bitcoins/ << purchaser of the contract is nowhere to be found lol
assbot: ESPN Sold Their Bitcoins | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/14l1CLq )
ben_vulpes: !up t
ben_vulpes: !up ben_vulpes
ben_vulpes: kakobrekla: amidoinitrong?
mircea_popescu: it voices neh ?
ben_vulpes: <ascii_modem> [19:31:50] these are not convertible to btc except via humiliating pederast temples << lol i love this routine
ben_vulpes: "no u guise seriously i do everything the way lizard hitler insists"
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: hm mebbe i'm not seeing mode changes.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla did you break the 30 minute thing ?
kakobrekla: [22:03:26] <ben_vulpes> !up t
kakobrekla: [22:03:28] * assbot gives voice to t
kakobrekla: [22:04:05] <ben_vulpes> !up ben_vulpes
kakobrekla: [22:04:12] * assbot gives voice to ben_vulpes
kakobrekla: ?
ben_vulpes: !down mircea_popescu
kakobrekla: yeah you voiced yourself so you are a faggot but nothing else.
t: so, what's bitcoin-assets all about then?
ben_vulpes: ;;ping
gribble: pong
ben_vulpes: derp
ben_vulpes: !t m butts
assbot: How can I be of assistance, my poor man?
mircea_popescu: ;;google bitcoin assets rules and regulations
gribble: IRS Notice 2014-21 - Internal Revenue Service: <http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-drop/n-14-21.pdf>; New York Proposes Bitcoin Regulations | Money.com - Time: <http://time.com/money/3004751/new-york-bitcoin-regulations-benjamin-lawsky/>; Proposed New York Codes, Rules and Regulations - Department of ...: <http://www.dfs.ny.gov/about/press2014/pr1407171-vc.pdf>
mircea_popescu: mehj google.
kakobrekla: irs lol.
mircea_popescu: all teh wanna-bes!
mircea_popescu: t http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-assets-rules-and-regulations/
assbot: #bitcoin-assets rules and regulations pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/14BP426 )
ben_vulpes: clearly google is oppressing you.
ben_vulpes: t: cryptoanarchy
t: which is?
ben_vulpes: cryptoautarky?
decimation: ascii_modem: ephialtes doesnt care abou straightening own back - knows it's a fantasy - but happy to turn everyone else into hunchback. << "There is, in fact, a manly and lawful passion for equality which excites men to wish all to be powerful and honoured. This passion tends to elevate the humble to the rank of the great; but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to
decimation: lower the powerful to their own level, and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - de Tocqueville
ben_vulpes: whatever one makes of it, t.
t: ben_vulpes: so what's the channel for?
ben_vulpes: mostly cult self-affirmation.
ben_vulpes: it's one of the more fun nodes in the bitcoin arg.
ben_vulpes: you too can slay grues!
ben_vulpes: !up ascii_modem
ascii_modem: danke ben_vulpes
ascii_modem: also plz explain re: herr hitler
t: people keep turning up complaining guys here are ddosing them, so what's going on with that?
ben_vulpes: t: well for a while anyone without a cloak got ddossed.
mircea_popescu: t let me find you the relevant discussion in #freenode.
ben_vulpes: pretty simple.
ascii_modem: one of the idlers is a vandalbot
kakobrekla: (was afiak)
t: ben_vulpes: oh, who does that?
ben_vulpes: t: any chance you can make freenode autocloak people? i don't see the value in exposing everyone's IPs.
ben_vulpes: t: how would we find out?
mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/UQbbXRcR
assbot: **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Nov 27 20:22:50 2014 Nov 27 20:22:50 *Now talking - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/14l2Y9b )
t: dunno, depends on who's involved etc.
ben_vulpes: aside from experimentally kicking everyone one at a time, logging in and finding the culprit.
mircea_popescu: t there yu go ^
kakobrekla: t: http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=fivezerotwo
assbot: 199 results for 'fivezerotwo' - #bitcoin-assets search
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8892 @ 0.00055352 = 4.9219 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ;;tslb
decimation: re: air war attrition << manned aircraft are on the way out anyway, with proper secure comms and a decent AI, a robot army of aircraft makes more sense
gribble: Time since last block: 3 minutes and 4 seconds
mircea_popescu: decimation is this "proper secure comms" thing like the holy sacrament ?
decimation: well, that's the obvious weak spot in a remote control aircraft
ascii_modem: the whole robot war thing -only- 'works' for usg or similar vs unarmed or max iron age folks
ascii_modem: jamming is easy & cheap
decimation: exactly, thus 'proper secure comms'.
ascii_modem: using what magical unjammable wave.
mircea_popescu: t incidentally, how recent are these complains ? vandal seems to have moved on maybe a week or two ago.
mircea_popescu: ascii_modem well, maybe they make the fighter-bombers of the future work on love.
decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-12-2014#961834 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 30-12-2014 04:51:09; asciilifeform: basic rules include: 1) don't be a loud, solitary point source. anywhere. ever. 2) spread spectrum, frequency hop, cryptographically driven 3) steganographically mix into existing spectrum garbage.
decimation: !ping assbot
ascii_modem: ^ inapplicable to realtime
ascii_modem: this is an essential lesson btw
decimation: ascii_modem: true. that's why ideally your robot plane ought to be able to operate without comms to the greatest extent possible
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5027 @ 0.00055352 = 2.7825 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: could it bake me a pie /
ascii_modem: ai soldier - aha
decimation: well, the problem ai planes & ai soldiers is that the poorly wrought heuristics that went into the design would quickly be learned and exploited by the enemy
ascii_modem: 'yes master: i shall bake you, a pie'
mircea_popescu: "A woman without her man is nothing had an infinite number of arms"
decimation: I would grant that it is likely that if the us went to war against someone who would be willing & able to shoot down satellites then the us would find itself suddenly back into an air attrition war with human-piloted planes
decimation: in which case, it would make a hell of alot more sense for the us to be stamping out thousands of f-16s for each 1 f-35
mircea_popescu: what the hell is this war planning where "willing and able" are ifs on the part of the enemy ?
ascii_modem: usg presently has no enemy armies, only recalcitrant muppets
mircea_popescu: you discussing reality or fantasy ?
ascii_modem: for them these are made
decimation: it does seem that the us generally puts much weight on 'but they would never do that' in its foreign strategy
ascii_modem: rephantasality
mircea_popescu: not only are there ~3 armies it could never touch, but it's getting humiliated on a regular basis by the orks in the desert.
ascii_modem: as seen by the patients
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mircea_popescu: watch us foreign policy around china and you'll get a pretty good idea of how the war'd go. according to both parties.
decimation: re: orcs in the desert << the us could roll them over in about 2 days if the us were willing to commit the men & willing to actually fight to win
decimation: but the us is not so willing.
mircea_popescu: by the way : i've been reading chinese magazines, in the sense of looking at the pictures.
ascii_modem: this is like supposing that exterminators are enemies of roaches
mircea_popescu: you should see how obama is depicted in chinese mags.
ascii_modem: in reality - best friends
mircea_popescu: decimation could not.
mircea_popescu: the us is not the us of vietnam era, when what you say was probably true.
mircea_popescu: the us does not contain enough men today.
mircea_popescu: ascii_modem i've not seen many exterminators scurrying to scuttle their embassy or anything like that.
ascii_modem: eh it can always form a dirlewanger battallion.
decimation: I don't agree. there are plenty of men, but none of them would be willing to give up their lives to further the cause of the transgendered in syria
mircea_popescu: decimation seems a distinction without a difference in the context.
decimation: if in the sense of 'have, but can't use', I agree
ascii_modem: ( those unfamiliar with herr dirlewanger - srraight
mircea_popescu: anyway, this discussion readily reduces to stuff typified by like... tom sawyer
mircea_popescu: "i could if i wanted to" etc.
ascii_modem: to librraryg
ascii_modem: lookhimup, its worth it
mircea_popescu: is this the guy that got beaten to death by teh frenchies ?
ascii_modem: him
ascii_modem: it was poles iirc
decimation: ascii_modem: lol he was too much for the SS colonels
ascii_modem: made'em upchuck aye
decimation: well, from the press reports, he seems to be the model that isis is using on their side of the war (wrt random brutality), and it seems to be working for them
ascii_modem: part of a balanced ( empire-building ) diet.
mircea_popescu: decimation kinda what leads to my "no men" statements. brutality only works on certain types.
decimation: !up t
mircea_popescu: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 7 minutes and 32 seconds
thestringpuller: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 337341 | Current Difficulty: 4.064095501657649E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 338687 | Next Difficulty In: 1346 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 7 hours, 24 minutes, and 26 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 45911296618.4 | Estimated Percent Change: 12.96806
thestringpuller: damn
thestringpuller: I need to buy coins
thestringpuller: it's not on the schedule tho :(
mircea_popescu: davout: who decided, and why, that the contents should be gpg signed ? << oh for cryssakes it was in the log like 20 times.
thestringpuller: what's this storj thing?
thestringpuller: another ycombinator thing?
mircea_popescu: well, the most encrypted cloud storage.
mircea_popescu: i was waiting for that absolute becoming comparable at the hands of the internet busineseers.
thestringpuller: sounds a lot like incentivized torrents
thestringpuller: just /w encryption
thestringpuller: couldn't you get same effect by spinning up a bunch of AWS instances and storing data encrypted with GPG key?
mircea_popescu: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2qg8ki/satoshi_nakamoto_institute_launch_podcast_first/cn5y2ue << i lolled
assbot: cazalla662 comments on Satoshi Nakamoto Institute Launch Podcast (First episode linked: Appcoins and Bitcoin Maximalism from Daniel Krawisz and Michael Goldstein) ... ( http://bit.ly/1AqAWFi )
thestringpuller: "I keep seeing rabbits."
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kakobrekla: lol https://hashtalk.org/topic/27529/30-days-of-transparent-questions-and-answers/1
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mircea_popescu: t anyway, since you seem to be pretty much the balance of still active freenode staff : rather than wasting time on this nonsense of some kid that thinks banal netbios ddos makes him a wizard (which i think has outlived its charm anyway)
mircea_popescu: how about we do something useful. it's been... about a year or so i've been trying to set yu people up with servers.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-12-2014#960826 hahaha pretty epic.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 26-12-2014 19:13:33; asciilifeform: 'For us as the Reserve Bank... ...we'll have to figure out how we make money because the way we generate most of our revenue is through forms of seigniorage, people are willing to hold currency free of interest and that's how we make money...'
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-12-2014#960841 << or, for that matter, eskimo bob. he had that good dose of very angry ready to explode stalker. rob viragh is much more of a dribble, kinda difficult to distinguish from the "michael kors backpacks" flowing mindlessly every which way on the internet.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 26-12-2014 19:20:38; ben_vulpes: if only tiberius were still with us. now *that* was some trolling.
mircea_popescu: hm, from asciilifeform's naggum link. "The moralist would not _be_ a moralist if he were willing to abide by and obey the rules he thinks that other people should follow."
mircea_popescu: i guess i can't be a moralist now ?!
mircea_popescu: re the "turned their nose, mainly on account of these pieces", there is something in there i can see as well. it could be reduced to mere bad writing, but otherwise there's this recursive insistence on boring, banal shit that gives the impression the guy's not quite... you know, queenheaded.
mircea_popescu: "Why do you need to have this pointed out in public after you demonstrate again and again that you do not understand what you are saying, cannot do what you say "is not option", and continue to blame others for your behavior?" could have been removed without loss, for instance. parsimony is a great approach, especially when dealing with idiots.
thestringpuller: !up jordandotdev
mircea_popescu: "You need to learn an important lesson and it will not be complete until you are completely humiliated -- or you figure out that what you have done is so bad and stupid that you simply leave us alone until the shame wears off." << surprising naggum never made the next logical step into bdsm.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform https://twitter.com/LizardMafia/status/548523618901454848 << i'm kinda curious, do you feel responsible for the naming convention ?
assbot: All your onions are belong to us.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: what does it mean to bitcoinate? << download and verify blocks, create and broadcast blocks which are in turn verified.
mircea_popescu: meh.
mircea_popescu: download and verify blocks, create and broadcast txn which are included in blocks.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform's "whatsoever" sucks, not least of all because it creates hole for various gnomes to shoehorn their stuff in
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_modem
ascii_modem: danke
ascii_modem: lizards << credit d. icke
mircea_popescu: cazalla: well, that didn't take long.. bitcoinfoundation.org has redesigned their website yet again <<< gotta do something...
ascii_modem: afaik he wrote the basic picture
mircea_popescu: !s lizard
assbot: 86 results for 'lizard' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=lizard
ascii_modem: what was this 'wharsoever' i firget
mircea_popescu: ascii_modem http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-12-2014#960878 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 26-12-2014 19:57:06; ben_vulpes: a philosophical question
ascii_modem: aha right
ascii_modem: was a sloppy bit of work
mircea_popescu: im fucking excited to see these guy's monthly report for dec or jan or whenever's next
mircea_popescu: this hasn't happened to me in bitcoin before.
ascii_modem: gnomery is a cadre problem ( is right word ? )
mircea_popescu: ascii_modem much like pestilence is a hygiene problem. sure, it is. doesn't hurt having smooth surfaces tho.
mircea_popescu: *: decimation thinks that time horizon has already been reached <<< pretty much. i dun know any great programmers that want to go to the us. i know some great progreammers stuck i nthere that haven't yet figured that yes, they can leave
mircea_popescu: but for however long that lasts.
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ascii_modem: aha, recall naggum's picture of 'thriving perl ecosystem' as, iirc, a carcass in the sun alive with vermin
mircea_popescu: yet perl outlived him.
mircea_popescu: such an improbable feat, that, if you think of it. most of the bad languages i met in my adolescence are dead and im not even old yet!
ascii_modem: vermin proverbially outlive damn near everything
mircea_popescu: haha i guess that's by definition huh
ascii_modem: perl and the like cannot really die; the human folly that makes them irresistible for some folks - is immortal
ascii_modem: !s new jersey approach
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mircea_popescu: "The anti-immigration people have to invent some explanation to account for all the effort technology companies have expended trying to make immigration easier. "
mircea_popescu: wait... wut ?!
mircea_popescu: and i have to invent some explanation to account for all the effort libtards have put into trying to break down functional society ?
mircea_popescu: "So they claim it's because they want to drive down salaries. But if you talk to startups, you find practically every one over a certain size has gone through legal contortions to get programmers into the US, where they then paid them the same as they'd have paid an American. Why would they go to extra trouble to get programmers for the same price? "
mircea_popescu: either this guy is dumb or the most bald faced scammer ever. seriously, that's how prices work ?
ascii_modem: scamz0r
ascii_modem: but dips into own stash
mircea_popescu: kinda, ya.
mircea_popescu: i find it fascinating just how willing to insult their audience these people are.
ascii_modem: the bugger knows well from what countries they bring the coolies, and why
mircea_popescu: i mean, the written output of the bezzle world is not about convincing, or for that matter even fooling mp.
ascii_modem: largely it is the croak if frogs
mircea_popescu: but there are these people in the middle, who either because they're young, or because they're marginally educated, or marginally intelligent, don't really find themselves in a position of serene immunity.
ascii_modem: of
ascii_modem: there is no 'why' for it
mircea_popescu: yet they do understand enough of you know, basic arithmetic and thermodynamics to see that a "same price" argument is pure nonsense.
mircea_popescu: yet graham doth not care. not on wit.
mircea_popescu: how about that one kid who worships him for whatever dumb kid reason, who suddenly looks up from that page and thinks...
mircea_popescu: but wait! if they didn't pay "the same price" for an immigrant, they'd have to pay a higher price for a local
mircea_popescu: which you know they were recently convicted for criminally colluding not to do.
mircea_popescu: so... same price ? no same price.
mircea_popescu: does this guy have not the slightest moral compunction about that one kid ? because why, because 5 million mouthbreathers that wouldn't read him anyway wouldn't see it in a million years ?
mircea_popescu: what fucking sense does this even begin to make! who's graham loyal to, where's his flag flying ?
ascii_modem: this is not how the kids in question work. whatever saint craps out - gospel. if patent nonsense: test of faith!
mircea_popescu: no wai dude.
mircea_popescu: bear in mind that i have the advantage of very deep intimacy with people that age
ascii_modem: see mr spam.
mircea_popescu: mostly female, but representative.
mircea_popescu: mr spam meets neither qualification.
mircea_popescu: !up null123
ascii_modem: representative?!
mircea_popescu: yes.
ascii_modem: until kid 'sets bozo bit' on his 'sensei', he will assume, at any juncture where he finds himself lost, that - his own fault
ascii_modem: no?
ascii_modem: and setting bozo bit on the fellow who convincingly plays the part of your only ticket out of hell - is psychologically expensive
ascii_modem: pg's flunkies believe that they shall be rewarded in this life.
mircea_popescu: not that simple
mircea_popescu: i mean yeah that's how it works for the retarded, 75 to 90 iq
mircea_popescu: but people in the 120 and over range tend to wish to followalong at home
cazalla: mircea_popescu, dja mean qntra or gaw has been largely ignored ? <<< i meant qntra but it was like the 2nd post i made so sorta makes sense not many people read it
ascii_modem: hell, people still read thomas aquinas etc
mircea_popescu: im one of those people.
ascii_modem: s/read/swallow
ascii_modem: (we all read)
ben_vulpes: <ascii_modem> perl and the like cannot really die; the human folly that makes them irresistible for some folks - is immortal << not to mention at the heart of so many terminals.
ben_vulpes: subject of terminals, may i ask what terminal you use, asciilifeform?
ascii_modem: bad example? think of every 'intellectual narcotic' or whatever folks call it now
ascii_modem: ben_vulpes: xterm
ascii_modem: with some decrufting
ascii_modem: and solely in 'ratpoison'
ben_vulpes: xterm, eh?
ascii_modem: ben_vulpes: if you were thinking of physical glass tty - sadly i no longer own one
ben_vulpes: lolno, even my dreams aren't that grand.
ben_vulpes: oh! and subject of ratpoison, did you evaluate and reject stumpwm at some point?
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mircea_popescu: xterm is actually a little unsung hero
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: anyone wanting to hire 30 inventors needs his head checked <<< and what could you do for them ?
mircea_popescu: and how'd you survive ?
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, do you define inventor as someone who has invented something before ? << i define inventor as someone who is a) intelligent and b) completely contemptuous of rules.
mircea_popescu: what common people have historically called a psychopath.
ben_vulpes: xterm, huh?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: the notion that an order once placed must live on until filled is pretty lulzy <<< that's not what's going on there.
mircea_popescu: they actually have a point, albeit a finnicky one and meanwhile the world fell from under the sort of place where such;d be entertained.
ben_vulpes: the point being that one shouldn't be allowed to fire off an order and then immediately its cancellation just to see the market response?
mircea_popescu: the point being that the chair you stand on is only solid in the sense that the wavelength is so tiny you don't have the time to fall through, because your time's quantisized.
mircea_popescu: in the exact same manner, if you allow them to oscillate narrowly enough, you break the concept of volume
mircea_popescu: and it's not clear (but altogether probable that no) whether the concept of exchange works without volume.
ben_vulpes: how'd we do things before the nasdaq?
ben_vulpes: daily computations of volume?
mircea_popescu: they never had the problem
mircea_popescu: because it wasn't technically possible to create oscillators good enough.
ben_vulpes: hm.
ben_vulpes takes some time to think
mircea_popescu: anyway. it'd have been a point in a world pre qe. by now it's like discussing the sow's pubic hairdo.
mircea_popescu: www.sonicfitness.com/cache/uggs.php?uggs=ugg-bottes-pas-cher-france.php << caches.