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kakobrekla: !up aspho
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scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/just-in-case-you-happen-to-think-silicon-valley-is-either-new-or-novel/
ben_vulpes: the man goes on vacation and *boom*
BingoBoingo: Is MP slowly turning into a wooden soldier?
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BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
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hanbot: BingoBoingo whatcha mean, wooden soldier?
asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2014/12/nsa-spiegel-14-1228.rar << loads o'goodies. but plenty of missing pieces that have the flavour of were-there-but-censored.
asciilifeform: in particular, allegations of exploitability for openssh (with no detail naturally)
asciilifeform: mention of pgp as a 'tough cookie' and also as internally used in at least one nsa product (disinfo psychop or genuine tears, take your pick.)
asciilifeform: !up Vexual
asciilifeform: !up Vexual
Vexual: yes, the bits that get left out are always interesting
Vexual: Just like Orwell describing the lingering smell of turpentine as he writes of the atmosphere of the poor quarters.
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asciilifeform: spiegel << discussion of 'tor' as not yet having spread its legs - suggests psychop; but on the other hand, the material (claims) circa 2010-2012.
Vexual: nsa document controllers must be a blast at parties
Vexual: theyr're the ones crying and laughing into their grapefruit juice
Vexual: thinking "why can't i do this at home?!?!?"
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asciilifeform: !b 3 ✂︎
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asciilifeform: 16 kHz is probably the max that you will get allocated politically << and the rest of that thread << Teh Phyootoore lies in discovery of undetectable (or at least unprosecutable) methods of breaking any and all laws which pertain to 'property rights' in radio spectrum.
asciilifeform: (how? see the old thread re: saddam hussein's gps jammers. for example.)
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asciilifeform: this, notably, is not high science. it's decades-old sop in electronic warfare field (yes, there are textbooks. in english, even. i have one right here.)
asciilifeform: basic rules include: 1) don't be a loud, solitary point source. anywhere. ever. 2) spread spectrum, frequency hop, cryptographically driven 3) steganographically mix into existing spectrum garbage. ☟︎
thestringpuller: stop taking my money steam
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cazalla: thestringpuller, sale is pretty shitty, nothing i really wanted
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BingoBoingo: ;;later tell hanbot In the new Trilema header
gribble: The operation succeeded.
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adlai: rye's checkin
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BingoBoingo: scoopbot -fetch
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2014/12/bitcoin-alliance-of-canada-founder-steps-down/
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rithm: blame canada, blame canada
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scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/first-full-service-crypto-digital-agency-in-the-world/
BingoBoingo: scoopbot -fetch
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2014/12/canberra-times-police-concerned-over-online-drug-purchases/
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BingoBoingo: !up Namworld
kakobrekla: >All this because of the stupid AUSTRIAN RAIFFEISENBANK, that confuses servng clients with serving prisoners in Konzentrationslager Mauthausen.
kakobrekla: lol
kakobrekla: sauce: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=290799.msg9984945#msg9984945
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BingoBoingo: lol
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kakobrekla: also this is lulzy > “When bitcoin first came out, I was on the cryptography mailing list. When it happened, I sort of laughed. Because I had already proven that decentralized consensus was impossible.”
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: impossible << lamport ?
kakobrekla: Gregory Maxwell
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mod6: lel
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asciilifeform: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/12/the-imperial-collapse-playbook.html << mega-lol
assbot: ClubOrlov: The Imperial Collapse Playbook ... ( http://bit.ly/1ztTX5t )
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: He nails the point where Anglophones are fascinated about culturing instability with anti-[fill-in-the-blank]
asciilifeform: peculiar omission of korea in his list
asciilifeform: somebody wake up mr. o
BingoBoingo: Is Korea really an actual united enough thing to have ever had an anti?
asciilifeform: sk is the anti.
asciilifeform: (not slovakia. south kr.)
BingoBoingo: All Korea's pretty much been other people's colony. That there's an independent Korea or korea is probably the farce.
asciilifeform: until approx. 1980, nk was the industrial power, and the south was a pisshole.
asciilifeform: it took decades of 'international komyoonity' blockading, conniving, sabotage, favourite-son dealing, to change this.
BingoBoingo: The family line of succession probably didn't help things. Man who did things, Son of man who did things, Son of Son
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: that's why it is called best korea
asciilifeform: to borrow mircea's analogy re: french empire, 'at this point atmosphere there is quite like that in hitler's bunker'
asciilifeform: everyone who laughs at nk should sit down for five minutes and imagine what they'd do as king there
asciilifeform: other than 'surrender'
thestringpuller: i would make everyone do science
thestringpuller: i would put all military funding into science!
asciilifeform: lol
thestringpuller: get some kinda of clean energy dem those niggas will come to me
BingoBoingo: Well, North Korea has legal marijauana. Leverage that into European tourism. Follow with Pope mediated negotions with Obola. Open US trade. Appoint a patsy president. Move to Macau and read about the Color revolution in the Newspaper.
asciilifeform: ^ surrender
thestringpuller: XD
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: it's funny how
thestringpuller: colorado is the richest state in its block now
thestringpuller: all funded by pot heads
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Sure it's surrender. If anything it's a more graceful one than Idi Amin had before living out his days in a House of Saud zoo.
BingoBoingo: It's the option the Castros are taking. They just haven't left yet. Raoul is Probably hoping Fidel can get a dignified state burial before he jumps ship.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: a surrender that may or may not be accepted.
BingoBoingo: Of course. USia is far less civilized now than it was when Idi Amin held the Scottish throne.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: current king probably weighed his chances of ending up as an example, like hussein, milosevich, others who dared to stand up to anglo.
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BingoBoingo: Or like Ghaddafi who cooperated with Anglos in the end.
asciilifeform: 'The bonus question is, what sort of anti-America will these parasites set up inside America before they abandon their host and scatter to their fortified compounds in undisclosed locations around the world? Or will they not even bother, and just provoke a war of all against all?'
BingoBoingo: Texas.
asciilifeform: 'pseudoliberal/pseudoconservative indoctrination and university- and church-based brainwashing that put it in place, cost them a pretty penny... ...How about leveraging it to organize some sort of rabidly homophobic racist fundamentalist separatist enclave somewhere down south? Or perhaps one somewhere in the north, where zoophilia is de rigeur while heterosexual intercourse requires a special permit from a committee stocked w
asciilifeform: ith graduates in women's studies?'
BingoBoingo: There's also the chance that they want to break things up into enough enclaves that sme sort of conflict homeostasis between them might be the norm.
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BingoBoingo: scoopbot -fetch
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2014/12/collected-points-from-the-nsas-recent-document-dump/
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2014/12/collected-points-from-the-nsas-recent-document-dump/#comment-5242
assbot: Collected Points From the NSA's Recent Document Dump | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1BlbOO2 )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: just read the bloody things, there isn't all that much to read.
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thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: Texas << It's interesting what Texas does in most fictional scenarios in a post apocalyptic world.
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BingoBoingo: Honestly Texas is probably going to hell the fastest
thestringpuller: It's like New Mexico, but with oil I thought.
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BingoBoingo: New Mexico has oil to. Texas's problem is Los Zetas et al are better organized than any Texan force.
TomServo: BingoBoingo: Did you accidently a word in the second sentence?
TomServo: In addition to the unsurprising post-Snowden _____? that NSA analysts routinely...
TomServo: revelation?
BingoBoingo: TomServo: Thanks.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: your article is still off
BingoBoingo: Hmm
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the Spiegel wasn't writing about the official Christmas dump
asciilifeform: but a separate, parallel snowden one
asciilifeform: (leaving aside the question of whether mr s is a hangout)
asciilifeform: how did you read either one and not realize this ?
BingoBoingo: Mixed up Der Speigel articles when linking, fixed
TomServo: asciilifeform: what do you mean 'is a hangout'?
BingoBoingo: Too many tabs open.
asciilifeform: TomServo: 'hangout' is the traditional english term for disinfo
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BingoBoingo: !b 1 ✂︎
BingoBoingo: The worst part of this clusterfuck of errors is I haven't even had a drink yet. Fucking language learning app on the new pet android device robbing my brain of all of its glucose.
BingoBoingo: !up austeritysucks
decimation: asciilifeform: re: illegal radios << yes, this is a route. unfortunately usg is good at finding such products and crushing their makers
asciilifeform: decimation: this is why the usual concepts of 'product' and 'market' are to be avoided there.
asciilifeform: decimation: the relevant boojums are to be produced either in underground workshops, like grenades during warsaw ghetto uprising, or in a foreign land and smuggled in
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adlai: BingoBoingo: what language are you learning
BingoBoingo: Spanish, again. Just the pace of the thing is draining. Maybe... also tried Swahili.
kakobrekla: lol lizard squad lauches 'ddos for bitcoin' service, on a website protected with cloudflare.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: mega-lol!
asciilifeform: why does this need a www site ?
asciilifeform: should accept commands via blockchain telegraph.
kakobrekla: then you cant use couldflare :(
asciilifeform: why the fuck one needs cloudflare or whatever, if blockchain telegraph ?
kakobrekla: exactly.
asciilifeform confused
kakobrekla: makes me think lizard are affiliated with cf.
BingoBoingo: Because when your hammer is a DoS, every nail is a website
kakobrekla: classic mobster scenario, "pay us so nothing bad happens to your store."
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kakobrekla: ofc you need to make up the crime as well.
decimation: kakobrekla: yeah but in this case they originally said they did it on principle
decimation: to 'improve security' to help the little people
kakobrekla: yes like the nsa.
decimation: the rwcg guy nitpicked the paul graham immigration essay https://rwcg.wordpress.com/2014/12/29/paul-graham-on-immigration/
assbot: Paul Graham on immigration | RWCG ... ( http://bit.ly/1xeEUj4 )
decimation: "So basically I’m being told that this is a foreign worker who might add 100X in value and you only have to pay them X.
decimation: Oh please, go on, do tell me that this isn’t just about cost saving."
kakobrekla: !up BlueMeanie4
asciilifeform: 'Question: why doesn’t this hypothetical guy, if he’s so ‘great’ and ‘exceptional’, just do his own thing? What’s he need Initrode for? Why should he move to a 2 BR/2 BA in Sunnyvale, CA to get a biweekly paycheck?'
asciilifeform: of course, if you read pg's piece correctly (i.e. substitute 'exceptionally obedient coolie' for 'exceptional programmer', the contradictions are instamagically resolved.
kakobrekla: lol sunnyvale tpb reference?
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asciilifeform: now i'd like to learn,
asciilifeform: how 'exceptional' of a programmer does one need to become, to leave usa ?
decimation: asciilifeform: lol
asciilifeform: brings to mind an old saw re: certain places, 'Вход – рубль, выход – два' (entry - one coin, exit - costs two)
asciilifeform: (originally spoken re: various mafias, e.g. intelligence agencies)
decimation: asciilifeform: or 'exit' through the coffin-burner
asciilifeform: aha.
asciilifeform: that one - free.
decimation: in the end, Stierlitz goes back to Berlin
BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/jenniferthang/status/550027307935866881
assbot: Huge salt spill at Morton Salt in /hashtag/Chicago?src=hash. Will they shovel it over their left shoulders? http://t.co/Ic8vAUuedb
decimation: oh I thought it went into lake Michigan or something
BingoBoingo: http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/12/30/report_finds_police_officers_killed_on_duty_spiked_in_2014.html ☟︎
assbot: Report finds police officers killed on duty spiked in 2014. ... ( http://bit.ly/1xeGEIY )
BingoBoingo: http://venturebeat.com/2014/12/29/cia-takes-blame-for-more-than-half-of-ufo-sightings-in-late-1950s-and-60s/ << The reptilians know we are on to them.
assbot: CIA takes blame for more than half of UFO sightings in late 1950s and 60s | VentureBeat | Business | by Daniel Terdiman ... ( http://bit.ly/1zugPSk )
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fluffypony: !search vladimir
assbot: 23 results for 'vladimir' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=vladimir
fluffypony: <mircea_popescu> btw, since i've been reading my old romanian bitcoin articles, landed on some gems. anyone remembers vladimir's asic ? <- what was the story there?
kakobrekla: another thing that never happened
kakobrekla: there were a bunch of other nonhappening asics at the time
kakobrekla: i dun think he was the first and certainly not last.
asciilifeform: afaik it hasn't happened yet, even.
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asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-12-2014#948513 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 08-12-2014 18:26:51; asciilifeform: (re: miner asics: anyone who gives a damn can find, in #b-a logs, my reasonably well-supported hypothesis that miner asic never actually -happened.- that is, there are devices, and they - approximately - work, but they are not 'asics' in the traditional sense. more 'hardcopy fpga.' - actual term of art)
asciilifeform: and, to return to that old thread, i still think that mircea is mistaken about the current crop of miners being something other than 'structured asic'
asciilifeform: the latter isn't simply a non-reprogrammable fpga; it has the LUTs of fpga, but with 'wiring' baked into the metallization layers, rather than fpga-style switching fabric
fluffypony: kakobrekla: yeah but was Vladimir generally a scammer, or just an isolated incident?
asciilifeform: but 'structured asic' is still not a real asic.
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kakobrekla: fluffypony he was just too irrogant.
fluffypony: fun
kakobrekla: so if i tell you im compiling the latest bitcoind on an ARM could, do i get expelled from here?
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: i actually did this at one point.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: on, if i recall, a 'raspberry'
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: it worked, but that particular chip/board had uncommonly slow i/o, it was nearly unusable
asciilifeform: speaking of arm,
kakobrekla: im using one of such nodes http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Online-chassis.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1x24yrj )
asciilifeform just today finished a ~3 week, all-waking-hours death marathon of 'arm' reversing. 'jailbroke' a [censored] (rare laboratory instrument)
kakobrekla: dunno how it compares to rpi, this one has 2 gigs of ram and 4 cores
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: interesting - who makes these ?
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: and where are they ordinarily found ?
kakobrekla: http://venturebeat.com/2014/12/29/why-french-telecom-iliad-is-launching-an-arm-based-cloud-service-and-why-it-matters/
assbot: Why French telecom Iliad is launching an ARM-based cloud service -- and why it matters | VentureBeat | Cloud | by Jordan Novet ... ( http://bit.ly/1x24KXA )
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-12-2014#960128 << you may enjoy this thread ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 25-12-2014 03:52:10; asciilifeform: every day i wonder why the 'arm' architecture so thoroughly beat 'mips' (closest competitor in the 'risc' world) in the markets
asciilifeform: 'arm
kakobrekla: yes i was reading it real time.
asciilifeform: ' quietly cornered the market in applications where 1) no winblows legacy 2) computation/watt ratio actually matters
asciilifeform: while being a heavily patent-encumbered, baroquely-architectured turd.
asciilifeform: china is cranking out arm clones by the billion, and certainly not all of these roll in the royalty? how does it square with my hypothesis? answer - perfectly.
asciilifeform: just like ussr stamped out single-crystal pdp-11 clones by the millions.
asciilifeform: and for the same reason
asciilifeform: to use 'w4r3z'
asciilifeform: or, more commonly, plagiarized subroutines
asciilifeform: the confucian kingdoms breathe plagiarism like air.
asciilifeform: 'mips' is superior, imho, in virtually every way - and they would crank out mips-en, but where then to crib code wholesale and piecemeal ?
asciilifeform: 'we use arm because everyone uses arm'
asciilifeform: http://labs.online.net/try-it << doesn't appear to work
assbot: Online Labs - ARM servers in the cloud ... ( http://bit.ly/1x269NK )
kakobrekla: works here
kakobrekla: but im not using this, was given a free instance a month or so ago.
kakobrekla: want an invite? if you apply below you will get it never.
kakobrekla: if i send it, it may arrive sometime.
kakobrekla: looks like i can also raise another instance
kakobrekla: if you wanna.
kakobrekla: well lemme know, invite or instance ill brb.
decimation: asciilifeform: there is a direct parallel between the 'bubble' that is arm/x86 and the 'bubble' that is 'USD'
decimation: 'We use it because everyone else uses it'
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: thx, but i don't need these for anything
kakobrekla: dicking around i thought.
decimation: if you want to be the dominant computer arch, you want to be the arch that will host the most warez - in the future
asciilifeform: decimation: this means 'be the darling of the usg crown'
decimation: well, certainly one cannot be enemies with usg or usg's agents
asciilifeform: because that is who ultimately decides what is used in the great slave mines of usa
asciilifeform: incidentally, i bring up 'arm' to remind folks that we are quickly approaching (or perhaps past) the point of being stuck with a turd every bit as odious as x86
asciilifeform: at least intel no longer collects royalties for x86. and does not directly supply the circuit to every producer
asciilifeform: arm - does.
decimation: plus arm comes in 1000 variants
asciilifeform: the instruction set is 'risc' in name only
asciilifeform: it's a mind-blowingly complex piece of shit.