decimation: kakobrekla: bounce off the moon << yeah, radio hams do this, but the antenna farm required to make it work is quite large

decimation: reddit is kinda like a lesswrong for retards

decimation: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/citizenfour-producers-sued-edward-snowden-759839 << lol guy sues the snowden film producers on the theory that snowden 'stole' the property of the us taxpayer

decimation: BingoBoingo: the lawsuit is actually amusing, because it divides usg against itself

decimation: if usg supports the suit to annoy snowden, they tacitly admit that they are stewards of the taxpayer's property, and open themselves up to claims against malfeasance

decimation: BingoBoingo: it's a fair point

decimation: asciilifeform: actually that's not a very accurate picture

decimation: usg's 'hand' is a corpse at best

decimation: asciilifeform: microsoft produces shitware -> sony uses shitware -> 'best' korea abuses shitware -> usg gains 'writ' to more tax dollars

decimation: eh, I guess I'm not that cynical. I believe that any scrap of evidence that can be used to stir shit up will be used by usg to sell an agenda

decimation: BingoBoingo: well, certainly we (the public) will not see the evidence

decimation: asciilifeform: I agree with your hypothesis in that I think USG genuinely guides the computer industry into insecurity

decimation: imagine if the billions poured into 'cybersecurity' were spent on constructing an actual secure terminal from first principles

decimation: that's the midget that the usg has squashed by sitting on the computer industry stool

decimation: the fbi claims it was an email attachment that dropped some scanners that guess passwords to smb shares

decimation: asciilifeform: alpha + x modulo II^CCLVI

decimation: asciilifeform: I think it's the case that there is (or was) some meta-usg lab that could conceive and develop secure terminal - perhaps already has

decimation: asciilifeform: it's possible that at least someone inside usg who was charged with developing secure computing actually got somewhere

decimation: asciilifeform: agreed. this kind of thing: http://www.gdc4s.com/sectera-edge-(sme-ped)-proddetail.html

decimation: except that's probably the retard version

decimation: asciilifeform: and of course, obama rejected it out of hand

decimation: because it contained too many 'antifeatures'

decimation: http://thehackernews.com/2014/08/hillary-clintons-phone-hacked-by-german_16.html

decimation: one gets the picture that usg 'leaders' think of themselves as being above such trivialities as secure communications

decimation: there there is this episode: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957

decimation: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/07/ukraine-phonecall-idUSL2N0LC1E120140207 " Mark Weatherford, a former deputy under secretary for cybersecurity with the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, said that some senior government officials were issued mobile handsets that are capable of encrypting conversations but typically do not use them "It is expensive. They are different phones. They are cumbersome," said Weatherford, now a

decimation: principal with the Chertoff Group, a Washington-based consulting firm led by former senior U.S. security and intelligence officials."

decimation: "GPG is too hard, no one will use it"

decimation: the original blackberry actually took over an older 'pager-like' frequency allocation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DataTAC

decimation: asciilifeform: My point is that no one in the entire us media 'noticed' that the intercept (which was supposedly sophisticated) came from usg 'leaders' talking on unsecure lines

decimation: one wonders how many billions were spent to deploy the secure facilities that they fail to use

decimation: as in, faceless meta-bureaucrats?

decimation: http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2014/february/09/victoria-nulands-ukraine-gate-deceptions/ << ron paul picked up the angle

decimation: asciilifeform: ah good point. you are saying the entire state dept. doesn't matter

decimation: actually usg would be much better off if it simply disbanded the department of state

decimation: actually mr. assange already performed this experiment

decimation: the result was largely: bureaucrats who appear to be idiots in public also are in fact idiots in private

decimation: http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2014/december/20/cold-war-spy-games-show-the-moral-bankruptcy-of-the-us-national-security-state/

decimation: asciilifeform: wrt the state department, anything important being discussed with us 'trade partners' is discussed by private parties conducting the trade

decimation: https://www.ece.cmu.edu/~safari/pubs/kim-isca14.pdf << "By reading from the same address in DRAM, we show that it is possible to corrupt data in nearby addresses"

decimation: asciilifeform: look at that, some academics actually studying hardware

decimation: note that ECC is only a partial mitigation

decimation: umm, you can corrupt the victim's memory by executing a loop?

decimation: don't need to write, only read

decimation: for example, a crafted javascript or maybe just plain html web page

decimation: dignork: are you implying that javascript doesn't use ram?

decimation: certainly the js memory is not randomly moved every context switch

decimation: at any rate, it's proof of the kind of error against which asciilifeform regularly pontificates, that is, a hardware error that is known only to the vendors of the chips