tmsr - Log 2019-06-06

mircea_popescu: the problem with these is that they're all deeply persuaded, but i do mean DEEPLY, like, in the nephritic layer of their kidneys deep, that the ONE thing to do if you're making a game is rate-limit it.

mircea_popescu: nfi how they got to this notion, "o, you know what the best thing to do would be ? if people wanna do things in our game... ADD TIMERS SO THEY CAN"T!!!"

mircea_popescu: utter fucked in the head, scared by virtual, desperately needing some fake scarcity folk.

mircea_popescu: it's so very unspeakably dumb if you think about it, wtf, LET PEOPLE PLAY. that's why the fuck you made it in the first place, yes ? so they play it ?

mircea_popescu: dumb as it is, it's not merely widespread, it's universal. "the path to making money in a service economy is not at all doing exceptionally well at serving, but on the contrary, being a fucktarded romanian and saying no all the time!"

diana_coman: mircea_popescu: I suspect the game will ...break if one plays it seriously; like most anything "done"

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-05#1917318 << on contemplation : i can see the "don't be taking your own vows to the monastery [because god never heard of you]" in your quote ; but in honesty i was looking more for a "god is very obviouly on the side of the monastey (and if this isn't at all obvious to you that'd be a cause of concern) [so don't be taking any vows to the monaster ☝︎☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-06-05 15:46 asciilifeform: then plox to expand

a111: Logged on 2018-05-05 21:05 mircea_popescu: cuz it's never dark, from inside. the amusing situation of classical eschatology is that lucifer simply forked the chain, and as best can tell is a very credible and not at all falen angel.

mircea_popescu: whether they're reducible to one another or not is a point i'm still waffly on, so.

mircea_popescu: women will also break if played seriously, and companies and economies and rivers and FUCKING SCIENCE

mircea_popescu: this is even why we play seriously : so as to have broken things that have been fixed (and broken again and fixed again, xn) rather than shiny untouched "things".

mircea_popescu: !Qlater tell phf hey props on your parser, it does right thing with context-supplementing bracket and link-anchoring bracked mixed in same line!

lobbesbot: mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded.

mircea_popescu: diana_coman, no, that's exactly what i'm saying. they wanted to "make money" sitting rather than to make money making money.

diana_coman: and by "breaks" there I meant more like fundamentally break as in ...it's not really designed well; (because why design esp for "so that it can break and be repaired")

mircea_popescu is great expert at identifying breakage in "virtual economies". in fact, one thing that kept his interest in gaming alive past the single player neverwinter nights / gothic/ nox etc era.

mircea_popescu: and guess what : femstate components always come up with the same "solutions", too.

diana_coman: most game's economies as far I know are a sort of "feeling like an X economy" really

a111: Logged on 2014-05-23 17:33 benkay: the solution apparently is to ban naked short selling and protect the institutionalized idiocy that is the US paper transfer 'network'.

mircea_popescu: diana_coman, tried, tested, known not to work, nevertheless "tested" again by every new cuntlet, on usual theory, "this idiocy is tested so often it must be good sense".

mircea_popescu: in fact, this is SO fucking ~biologically~ specific i'm even proposing it as the ~best currently known~ gender test. 1. female path : what are you going to do ? "im going to try X" why X ? "it's what everyone else tries". 2. male path : what are you going to do ? "i'm going to try Y" why Y ? "never fucking heard of it before"

mircea_popescu: as per the "males -- born to die trying ; females -- born to carefully & spawn" theory of biological gender difference, it even makes sense. in any case, the included prediction : i say there's not going to be a better (oral ; over the internet) gender test.

mircea_popescu: (i eminently do not say it has no failure rate. not even pregnancy tests make that sorta claim -- piss on one as a dude long enough you might be surprised eventually.)

diana_coman: hm, I ...would have failed it even at ~12; but I see what you mean, provided that respondent actually gives /is aware of real answer.

mircea_popescu: who knew ~this~ is the sorta thing a chromosome does. i swear i couldn't have said for looking at it (and yes, spent >worldaverage amt of time looking at chromosomes).

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-05#1917355 << i do not think data should be included with ffa ; while i do believe data should be included with bitcoin. the reason for the split is that i perceive a difference between design and implementation / algorithmics and code, so following. if you see peh as a sort of "packaging of this theory for consumption" then maybe worth including, ☝︎☝︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2019-06-05 17:59 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, diana_coman , other maffs folx ^

a111: Logged on 2019-05-28 22:16 mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, thinkign about it, there's just no way to have a proper trb without the rainbows. and yes it'd be 32 gb, but so what. the point stands, there is a minimal bitcoin box.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-05#1917370 << well, checking blockchain also "not fastest method". but yes. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-06-05 19:41 asciilifeform: ( obv. this method is NOT fastest means to compute product of 1st n primes; it is not exactly secret what the first coupla mil primes are, and one could compute product in <1s , if taking what they are on faith. but illustrated method does not rely on 'magic #s' )

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-05#1917383 << so hopefully you had enough sense to create relationships and undermine the usgistani "platform" rather than the converse, undermine your own sanity to feed usgistani "platform" your own guts ? ☝︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2019-06-05 22:12 Mocky: tru but you could answer cash ads without id, and which I did a lot of last year

mircea_popescu: if so, your created relationships / network you sucked out of them just became more valuable now. if not -- well let that be a fucking lesson to you already, right ? reddit exists SOLELY to suck its users off it (selectively, of course, they can keep their ninjashoguns) ; not to send it your blog readers.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-05#1917391 << successful success, right before the night comes, yeah. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-06-05 22:16 asciilifeform has been to various 2ndhand irons shops (industrial, entirely disinterested in konsoomer rubbish) over past 20y, and erry single one , where talked to proprietor, 'i have this shop, but 90% of revenue is ebay'

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-05#1917392 << wait, you ~had~ already found some, or am i woefully misunderstanding ? was this merely a theoretical possibility you were relying on because saw on state media ? ☝︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2019-06-05 22:17 Mocky: im not a proponent of inca platform. would love to find traders in raleigh some other way, but how to find?

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-05#1917393 << then briefly thereafter, fold altogether, once ebay figures them out. ☝︎☟︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2019-06-05 22:17 asciilifeform: ( typically they fold up and go straight-ebay when keeper wakes up to the fact that he pays rent for shop and sits in chair for mere 10% of his take... )

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-05#1917394 << here's glass : 1. talk to all the girls ; 2. enslave the better ones. adjust as needed, s/girls/whatever/g ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-06-05 22:19 asciilifeform: Mocky: if i had bottle of 'become mircea_popescu' elixir, i'd share with you a glass. but as it is e.g. asciilifeform was entirely unable to get hold of bitcoin at all for many yrs, when could not find anyone who had it + would not deal with goxisms

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-05#1917398 << nothing to laugh, it's exactly correct. the long standing slight margin on mining over trading is exactly this, "market participant voluntarily set cost of privacy". ☝︎☟︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2019-06-05 22:25 asciilifeform: ( can laugh at this hypothesis if you like, but i can't think of how else to explain the still-palpable amt of minerism that happens ~outside~ of cn and other cheap-mains locales )

mircea_popescu: properly, ie from the bottom up, not "invented by some government" (which is why they're "dark", ie, do not figure in bureaucrat's files) and which is also why they work and so forth and so on.

mircea_popescu: currently you can put a much better price on privacy (and meaningful, too, as a % of the wealth involved -- contrary to what the poortards imagine, privacy is not an abstract, privacy is strictly a function of money as a counter of value.

mircea_popescu: because bitcoin exists. this is the very definition of market as an integration-of-value-symbolics metric.

mircea_popescu: i guess that means the forbearance window's also closed on that stjohn_piano_2 dork. ☟︎

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mircea_popescu: in other lulz, it's funny how "sleek, modern" rounder corners etc bla bla always goes AWAY from productivity. firefox version 5 mn, five years ago or so i last looked, had a bar for url and a bar for search. firefox 4bn, latest vintage as of a few days ago -- no longer search bar. url bar only. ☟︎

a111: Logged on 2019-06-06 07:15 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-05#1917383 << so hopefully you had enough sense to create relationships and undermine the usgistani "platform" rather than the converse, undermine your own sanity to feed usgistani "platform" your own guts ?

mircea_popescu: kinda the only thing pantsuit shitholes are good for, ye olde chick rescue. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-08-16 17:30 mircea_popescu: when i was about six or so, visiting some relatives who had a farm, i discovered a romanian bareneck (kind of chicken) chick drowning in the sty efflux. so i picked it out, and it was a pet for a year or so and then made a great soup. rooster, too.

Mocky: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-06#1917453 << I should restate as 'would love to continue finding new traders in the small market of raleigh...' ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-06-06 07:20 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-05#1917392 << wait, you ~had~ already found some, or am i woefully misunderstanding ? was this merely a theoretical possibility you were relying on because saw on state media ?

Mocky: this is theoretical, i'm not trying to build out my east coast trading volume. I think i'll be mostly buying here from auction ☟︎

mircea_popescu was vaguely consdiering sending a large wire for pizz again, on the grounds of this vague impression i have they're desperate for liquidity.

Mocky: I just met a few cool people from LBC, like that guy who sold me a few grand of crumpled 20's out of his girls sequin'd 'stripper purse'

mircea_popescu: is this wrong, should i jus tstfu so as not to ruin the small trades for interested ppls ? ☟︎

Mocky: i have a coin to repay mircea_popescu and now that i have what with to trade, expect to be a continuous bidder on piz auctions ☟︎

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, BingoBoingo how's the status, are you rather short or rather long dubaloo liquidity ? ☟︎☟︎

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: will let BingoBoingo answr when he wakes up, i dun think i have the latest #s

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-06#1917441 << this is moar or less asciilifeform's exact position. mircea_popescu i rec. to glance at ch18, it has good picture of this (i.e. reader is not offered 'use this tape', is offered 'here's how to bake a primegen' ; instead of 'here's magic constant', given 'here's how it is made' etc ) ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-06-06 07:11 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-05#1917355 << i do not think data should be included with ffa ; while i do believe data should be included with bitcoin. the reason for the split is that i perceive a difference between design and implementation / algorithmics and code, so following. if you see peh as a sort of "packaging of this theory for consumption" then maybe worth including,

asciilifeform: ftr anyone who thinks 'i'ma use other people's tapes blindly' is gearing up for world of pain. peh is less an object like gpg and moar like surface-to-air rocket, reqs some basic grasp of what yer doing

asciilifeform: i intend to make it reasonably painless to learn, but will i suspect always require some sweat. rather like e.g. v.

asciilifeform: ( re upstack, note that primegen.peh can be written without any long constants, i.e. generate primorial at warmup. this simply costs a coupla extra min. )

asciilifeform: aand for that matter, if you were to put in a random turd instead of the primorial, you will still get valid primes, will simply take longer (i.e. the prefilter won't work)

asciilifeform: while on subj : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Mg63b/?raw=true << pieces of latest (not yet complete) experiment. when fed to a 32768bit peh run, produces the 32768-bit primorial (i.e. shows that the 17 2048bit cuts actually multiply to it ) ☟︎

asciilifeform: this will be to determine what is the diminishing-return point (gcd with 1, 2, ... , 17 pieces , for prefilter, and 1st 1MB from fg sample bin on nosuchlabs.com, for deterministic test; see what diff makes to the time needed to gen N primes )

asciilifeform: ( i.e. cat tape.peh | ./bin/peh 32768 32 100000 0 dulap_1m.bin , in this scheme all '?' output is taken from the supplied file )

asciilifeform: timing tests gotta use a snapshotted FG bin always, otherwise the variation in fg piss rate obscures the item being measured.

a111: Logged on 2019-06-05 19:33 asciilifeform: output of subj, on the off-chance that anyone gives a damn.

a111: Logged on 2019-06-06 07:21 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-05#1917393 << then briefly thereafter, fold altogether, once ebay figures them out.

asciilifeform: ( e.g. paypalism : generally the 'they store errything and froze acct' is a when, not if )

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-06#1917460 << sorta why i see the asic thing as a serious failure. as i understand, the centralization of supply is extreme, and gettin' worse ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-06-06 07:23 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-05#1917398 << nothing to laugh, it's exactly correct. the long standing slight margin on mining over trading is exactly this, "market participant voluntarily set cost of privacy".

a111: Logged on 2019-06-06 07:30 mircea_popescu: i guess that means the forbearance window's also closed on that stjohn_piano_2 dork.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-06#1917476 << oddly enuff asciilifeform always hated the search bar, and never used, it (or was it only in mine?) had irritating bug where your search string stick around on the display after use ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-06-06 08:10 mircea_popescu: in other lulz, it's funny how "sleek, modern" rounder corners etc bla bla always goes AWAY from productivity. firefox version 5 mn, five years ago or so i last looked, had a bar for url and a bar for search. firefox 4bn, latest vintage as of a few days ago -- no longer search bar. url bar only.

mircea_popescu: as per that excellent ballas point, "if you're still working for the government, just with no pension" : usg.ebay is mroe than happy for you to do the difficult, risky and expensive part of its job (market research) -- and they'll gladly [http://trilema.com/2014/people-us-dollars-are-not-worth-a-fifth-of-a-bitcent-stop-selling/#selection-129.0-133.2

mircea_popescu: and take with a side helping of jerking around, of course. why not, it's free -- for them.

mircea_popescu: which brings the matter full circle : all sorts of utterly impudent and entirely intolerable morons have historically produced oh-so-bright "protests" re bitcoin in the vein of "oh, our masters would take it if it were worth it anything"

mircea_popescu: about anything else, that in fact their masters do so take, "real" estate, small business models, whatever -- not a peep.

mircea_popescu: about the ONE THING they can't fucking take, yak yak yak all over again. why, because "for everything else it goes without saying" ?

mircea_popescu: or perhaps because the "adverage" human strictly exists to forward the agenda of the empire of stupid, doing exactly nothing else all day the fuck long, like other inferior animals live to forward their genetic code and naught else ?

asciilifeform: 'yak' is the primary moving part in the 'taking' mechanism, neh. ( or at least the antibody marker... )

mircea_popescu: you know ? double standard to the moon, "i'm going to be cheeky towards the sovereign and submissive towards the pretender", utterly ass-backwards worldview.

mircea_popescu: "nobody does ill willingly" ? gimme a fucking break, seems the better definition for average human / subhuman (no, the two aren't distinct or distinguishable) readily reduces to "does nothing but ill".

asciilifeform: enemy reaction to btc seems to resemble e.g. meat tryin' to digest an old bullet. 'maybe can't digest this but how about we coat it in immunoslime and maybe can pretend it aint there'

asciilifeform: and after that, the weird thing with 'let's make an alt-bullet from meat, digest it, and pretend did something to the orig' etc

a111: Logged on 2019-06-06 12:15 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-06#1917468 << d00d has whole week+ to read the fuckign log

a111: 2019-05-16 <stjohn_piano_2> thanks asciilifeform for the !!up >> http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-16#1913645

asciilifeform: the most irritating numbskullism from this 1 imho is where he plugged his bot into human nick -- srsly, never noticed that no one else did this ? or, what, 'i'ma preshus snowflake and why shouldn't i'

mircea_popescu: someone explained somewhere the popup-human interaction, drom the chairwarmer pov : "perceives it as roadblock, clicks it away like his grandfather cut a clearing through bushes"

mircea_popescu: kinda how "feel fast" langs and all the rest ends up built -- all sorta morons and assorted chuckas perceiving roadblocks around them.

a111: Logged on 2017-01-12 14:26 asciilifeform: '...suppose you drive down the highway and you suddenly want to go some nice place you saw just before you pass a forest. you veer off the road, plunge into the wilderness and promptly decide that you need four-wheel drive, a huge cutting device in front of your car, much better shock absorbers, a bigger engine that could actually run on swamp water instead of getting all drowned, and then need an amphibious vehicle to get across the

auctionbot: Buy order # 1049: 2835 WFF, Wire Only Heard: 390mn from jurov. Ending: 2019-06-09 12:19:43.167056 UTC (82 hours 31 mins)

a111: Logged on 2019-06-06 12:05 asciilifeform: while on subj : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Mg63b/?raw=true << pieces of latest (not yet complete) experiment. when fed to a 32768bit peh run, produces the 32768-bit primorial (i.e. shows that the 17 2048bit cuts actually multiply to it )

asciilifeform: spoiler : economy not significant (in this ~one~, they are effectively one, rngistically) test , eight 2048bit 'prob primes' shat in 4m26.812s vs 3m52.591s respectively.

asciilifeform: nao it ~is~ possible that in avg case ( again, if not obv, the above could easily be a fluke, given as whole algo is monte carlo ) there is greater economy.

asciilifeform: in the ordinary 2048bit primorial , 632 invocations of m-r ; in the elephant primorial, 535 .

asciilifeform: ftr almost all of that 1MB of bottled entropy, actually gets eaten in both runs (it is used not only to get candidates , recall, but to generate m-r witness for ea. shot of m-r )

asciilifeform: from either 632 / 535, subtract the 32 that the 'winner' consumes, to get # of m-r performed on eventually-rejected candidates.

asciilifeform: 1 moar hypothesis : on boxes where very slow rng (e.g. fg unavailable ) or where heavily milked fg, generating e.g. ephemeral rsa privs with high frequency, economy may be much greater, as fewer doomed m-r shots means fewer '?' invocations for their witnesses gen.

asciilifeform: this experiment is fully reproducible by anyone with ch19 pressed and copy of the fg demo bin turd.

asciilifeform: iirc -- it is possible to run diana_coman's mechanism from a bottle. sadly i dun have enuff hands just nao , to attempt

asciilifeform could've sworn there was a thread, and not long ago, where diana_coman said on what iron this was done. but cannot nao find it in O(1) !

a111: Logged on 2019-03-27 19:49 diana_coman: on that d1 intel from http://ossasepia.com/2019/02/28/zcx-vs-sjlj-data-set/#selection-113.0-113.85 the tests of eucrypt that generate a key pair take at times ~20 min, just to give an idea

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deedbot: asciilifeform unrated stjohn_piano_2.

BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-06#1917494 << Right now we are neither particularly short or long on dubaloos. Working on baking the statement. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-06-06 11:33 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, BingoBoingo how's the status, are you rather short or rather long dubaloo liquidity ?

BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-06#1917490 << The long USD position was during the recent market bottom. Now datacenter needs paid monthly again and I don't know if going USD long is the most prudent decision. Jurov put in a bid for the DC wire, and I'm curious if the bidding will get more heated near the end as it did with the smaller 500 USD auctions. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-06-06 11:31 mircea_popescu: is this wrong, should i jus tstfu so as not to ruin the small trades for interested ppls ?

BingoBoingo: Right now I'm inclined to see if we start getting the OTC market going here that -otc doesn't have

BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-06#1917487 << I imagine there's not much room to be corrupting Raleigh or the East Coast USA one local trade at a time. In contrast each local trade in Uruguay can chip away at the USDubaloo position as the local reserve currency. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-06-06 11:29 Mocky: this is theoretical, i'm not trying to build out my east coast trading volume. I think i'll be mostly buying here from auction

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Most of the bustable drug trade appears to occur at the level of cuidadocoches and the immediate next level up. Would not be surprised if the rifle was acquired with 50 and 20 peso notes.

asciilifeform: wtf is with 'peso notes' , incidentally, i thought the One Troo Unit of underground currency were the benjie

asciilifeform: ... evidently this is the 'new gen' of dope people, as pictured in mircea_popescu's piece

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Depends on where they are on the pyramid. If they do retail in Uruguay, they only ever see small bills.

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: By appearances this would be a "boca de pasta" that keeps the folks on the ground supplied.

BingoBoingo: The white stuff appears to mostly be "pasta base" i.e. solvent waste from cocaine processing that happens to have just enough cocaine to be marketable to the abjectly poor but not enough cocaine to economically recover for powdering.

a111: Logged on 2018-10-05 18:06 asciilifeform: btw according to 1 source, the opium people were actually 'class-stratified' in that poorfucks smoked 'recycled' crud, containing moar morphine , and got stupider ( vs the elite, who took in 'prime' material, never heated previously )

asciilifeform: potentially -- entirely diff. dope, in effect... if only gabriel_laddel were here, could answer this puzzler.

feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/06/exim-remotely-exploitable-most-machines-online-and-running-a-mail-transfer-agent-ready-to-run-other-peoples-code/ << Qntra -- Exim Remotely Exploitable: Most Machines Online And Running A Mail Transfer Agent Ready To Run Other People's Code

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, do you perchance happen to recall which trilema article had a gif of SLUT spelled in pink glitter ?

BingoBoingo: Fuck, my gut says the year is 2014. I remember, can dig. My gut is also suggesting the Vessenes Bitcoin Foundation with a low probability.

feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/06/madame-secretary-pompeo-leaks-usg-failed-politically-in-venezuela/ << Qntra -- Madame Secretary Pompeo Leaks: USG Failed Politically In Venezuela

a111: Logged on 2019-06-06 06:39 mircea_popescu: hmm, did i even recount the sad story of that typically moronic clerk ?

BingoBoingo: In the latest of local developments, yet another cop killed. Fourth this year, second this week. The Police officer