mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, the problem here is this : i have various constructions in the real world, built out of people, who indeed think. their thinking covers 99% or so of the cases they encounter ; when a 1% strikes, they kick it up the ladder.
mp_en_viaje: three or four such ladders permit me to intellectually support VERY far reaching organisms, made of "thinking" people. the hard sense of think is this -- will dispose of ~any~ problem. yet the practical sense of think is, "useful as working piece in such organism".
mp_en_viaje: now, the question isn't whether computers can think in the sense of, stand in for mp.
mp_en_viaje: the question is neither whether computers can think in the sense of finding some place in there -- eminently already have.
mp_en_viaje: that'd be a "think" more like submarine swimming.
mp_en_viaje: the question of "can computers think" becomes "how far can this actually go", just how useful a computer can there be built.
☟︎ mp_en_viaje: between incel & excel, there's ourdemocracy nudly whole.
PeterL: bingoboingo: actually, I was able to get into WU just before cloing time
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a111: Logged on 2019-05-06 15:06 mp_en_viaje: if lisp-o-tron spits out html files and apache delivers them, this will be web-fast
a111: Logged on 2019-05-06 19:09 asciilifeform: extra upstack lulz, re 'cultural layer' : google helpfully informs that
it has thickened !
a111: Logged on 2019-05-06 17:44 lobbes_field: As such, I'll start poking around at
mod_lisp, et al. Will report back
a111: Logged on 2019-05-06 15:00 phf: mp_en_viaje: it's the shitsoup ecosystem, there's a handful of packages smartly written, like hunchentoot or cl-
http, and then there's new wave of cffi-everything approaches, that stand tall and pretend to be people
a111: Logged on 2019-05-07 21:09 mp_en_viaje: spyked, chock-full. though it's unclear to me how you reason re "having beaches", and in any case the fucking of eastern girls was more the 90s than the 70s.
mp_en_viaje: turkey is afaik the ~only contender to cr substitute beaches this side of the world.
spyked: re fucking eastern girls, I wouldn't know myself, but my sources (people who worked in the hotel industry at the time) say that plenty of it happened. but more in the 90s, sure.
mp_en_viaje: but not in mediteranean ; they have nice mediteranean beaches.
mp_en_viaje: nobody was fucking anyone ; and if it wasn't for the us that invented fucking via porn in the 90s, nobody would be fucking anyone today, either.
spyked: on the other hand, why go to neptun and not, say, nice, other than "romania, nice country, beautiful girls"
spyked: (in the 70s-80s I mean; neptun's a ghost town nowadays)
mp_en_viaje: well, watching girls in bikinis. honestly i think most men would much prefer hanging out with a bunch of scantily clad girls they're not fucking than actually have lots of sex.
mp_en_viaje: i have come to suspect the ideal arrangement for the average male is having a house with a pool in a sunny climate and a ~17 yo daughter who has a lot of sleepovers.
mp_en_viaje: best of both worlds, perpetually surrounded by adolescent cunt, never expected to give it what for, nobody else likely to trespass and do it for you...
mp_en_viaje: certainly accounts for the jewish princess pheronomenon.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-09 00:44 mp_en_viaje: the question of "can computers think" becomes "how far can this actually go", just how useful a computer can there be built.
mp_en_viaje: amusingly enough, one ~could~ actually build air pumps and air pressure tanks out of wooden tech. so in principle pre-industrialization world could have had useful sub.
mp_en_viaje: the problem is one of pathway -- neither can be DISCOVERED on wood.
mp_en_viaje: now, that we discovered them on metal, can retrofit. but at the time... did they ?
mp_en_viaje: ~everything besides rubber sucks for that i guess.
mp_en_viaje: see, here's wjhat i don't understand : why oar ? should have had closely fitted rod powering a propeller of some sort, and have a reverse spiral carved at the fitting juncture
mp_en_viaje: so that the spinning pushes the water out, like archimede's screw
a111: Logged on 2019-04-15 22:21 asciilifeform: interestingly, the connection b/w great ships and serious wood , is not entirely gone in modern time -- sov type 636 submarine has shaft bearing from lignum vitae
mp_en_viaje: lotta retrospectively-theoretically-available techs in this vein, really.
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billymg is happy to report he's made it safely to tx
BingoBoingo: Very nice. Wearing a six shooter on your hip yet?
BingoBoingo: Kinda thought that would've been in the welcome basket
billymg: still taking care of the tedious chores and whatnot of relocating, but operating with a much elevated mood
BingoBoingo: six shooter, brisket, unseemly thick toast, and a welcome to the neighborhood
billymg would certainly not be opposed
mp_en_viaje: pretty lulzy, they can't cut power to bum dwellings even
mp_en_viaje: in other insane wtf : i'm going through the paperwork of caradgea voivod (1818s, "tara romaneasca"). supposedly the public expenditure that year was 8`473`137 thalers (of which, post maintenance, over one sixth).
mp_en_viaje: now, the thaler is a german silver coin, 22.2 grams of 3/4 silver. meaning the romanian principality expended that year > 140 tons of silver, something like 280 MILLION pounds sterling.
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile re the british imperial budget of 1816 was in that year reported to the earl of liverpool as "the immense sum of 14mn sterlin gper annum"
mp_en_viaje: literally, "And let it be recollected with triumphant pride by every true Briton, that this has taken place in the concluding years of a war of unexampled duration and unequalled expence ; when twenty-two years of continued hostilities had swelled the expenditure of the country to the enormous amount of 14,000,000 sterling per annum ; and when the salvation of Europe had been effected by the unremitting fortitude and perseverance of this nation in
mp_en_viaje: the support of burthens which no other people could have borne for a tenth part of the time."
mp_en_viaje: well... apparently one of the two romanian principalities was bearing twenty times that much ?!
mp_en_viaje: something's definitely amiss here (and no, the whole phanariote period did not see in excess of 100 tons of silver, holy hell.)
hanbot: 2 lb to the kg, so in 140 tons then 300k or so pounds