nubbins`: http://i.imgur.com/UXMRkTT.png
nubbins`: that's the best representation of our conversation that i could come up with
mircea_popescu: just in time!
nubbins`: phew!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.15 = 0.3 BTC [-]
nubbins`: signed, numbered prints available; bare walls are for boors ;)
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/you-want-to-see-reactionary-ill-show-you-reactionary/
ozbot: You want to see reactionary ? I’ll show you reactionary. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.79699306 = 7.9699 BTC [+] {3}
nubbins`: made it a couple of paragraphs in before realizing that i already knew how the conversation would go
mircea_popescu: jhahaha
mircea_popescu: now you know how i feel.
nubbins`: to a point, perhaps ;)
nubbins`: now you know why i leave the drawing to others
mircea_popescu: actually i think it wasn't bad.
mircea_popescu: think about it : the first of your productions to be art,
mircea_popescu: as enacted by trilema.
nubbins`: unfortunately, not the first
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 143 @ 0.00081717 = 0.1169 BTC [+]
nubbins`: although certainly the first time it's been featured in someone else's blog
pankkake: wow pretty good drawing. i think I would have trouble with the teeth
pankkake: you must be a real artist
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.79 BTC [-]
nubbins`: not sure, you'd have to ask mp
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 1000 @ 0.001091 = 1.091 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 1125 @ 0.001091 = 1.2274 BTC [-]
nubbins`: anyway, it doesn't even really matter what the specifics look like. it's all about layout on the page
nubbins`: how it reads
nubbins`: that's the first thing people see
bitcoin349: If the rat is on their computer from when I sent it without hiding my ip then I uninstall it before wiretransfering funds through bitcoin on a virtual machine with different settings and hiding ip on 3 layers would I be traced or would their not be a log in the ISP of the info about the rat.
dub: naturally
Kleeck_: How is your VM getting out to the internet, bitcoin349?
dub: how dare you ask such personal questions
Kleeck_: "_(
dub: rats are very private animals
dub: respect that privacy
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.00082024 = 3.6911 BTC [+]
Kleeck_: "Rats. I hate rats."
mircea_popescu: ;;google 7 proxies
gribble: Good Luck, I'm Behind 7 Proxies | Know Your Meme: <http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/good-luck-im-behind-7-proxies>; 7 Proxies - Encyclopedia Dramatica: <https://encyclopediadramatica.es/7_Proxies>; [ubuntu] 7 Proxies? - Ubuntu Forums: <http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1679056>
mircea_popescu: 3 is wholly insufficient.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 900 @ 0.000243 = 0.2187 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12250 @ 0.00082258 = 10.0766 BTC [+] {2}
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.0075 = 0.15 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.79733002 = 4.784 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4565 @ 0.00082655 = 3.7732 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 520 @ 0.00024449 = 0.1271 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2380 @ 0.0002445 = 0.5819 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 31 @ 0.0075499 = 0.234 BTC [+]
benkay: this art discussion, yo
benkay: ain't nothing to it, really
benkay: the only opinions as what matter terribly are those as what emanate from the powerful
benkay: which is baseline true
benkay: it's like the f=ma of power dynamics
mircea_popescu: i been tryin to tell him
benkay: i did find the line about equivalency between aesthetic value and caloric value amusing
benkay: and i only deploy capital against aesthetic things when it's going to have some sort of caloric return. eg: "babe, take this small pile of capital and deploy it making this space look nice. that way when clients come by they won't be horrified by my abysmal decoration and might actually be impressed by my aesthetic committee's performance"
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00277899 = 0.1112 BTC [-]
nubbins`: so you pay someone to buy art to put in your home or office or w/e in order to not appear like the sort of person who would be perfectly content inside a grey cube
nubbins`: in that context, yes, i suppose you'd only have the opinion of the "powerful" on which to rely
mircea_popescu: burn the heretical unbeliever!
nubbins`: some of us demand more from our surroundings!
mircea_popescu: like better masking for the impact of power.
nubbins`: "man, this benkay guy must employ someone who has really good taste in art"
benkay: nubs, why u mad, brizzo?
nubbins`: i thought we were all mad here
benkay: there's some irony in there.
nubbins`: best cure for anemia
benkay: i exercise veto all the time, man. neural nets need feedback to work correctly.
benkay: can't be arsed to go shopping though
benkay: very definitely a delegable task.
benkay: on an entirely different topic, i fly to argentina tomorrow. i'd be glad to act as a proxy in buenos aires for, you know, not *anyone*, but people in this channel with btc-related inquiries
nubbins`: honestly, the concept of going shopping for art hadn't occurred to me until now
nubbins`: you do it like you'd shop for pants or a new shower curtain or whatever?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.81424999 = 16.285 BTC [+] {4}
benkay: nubbins`: when a thing strikes me as being of high quality, i generally submit it to the aesthetics comittee for discussion and then instruct said aesthetes to purchase the thing
benkay: unless they have cogent reasons for to not, obviously.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 10 @ 0.05410003 = 0.541 BTC [-]
benkay: (high quality and, you know, appeals to my taste etc)
benkay: but occasionally i find myself confronted by a wall insufficiently arted
nubbins`: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-11-2013#367374 ☝︎
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.84799165 = 5.0879 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.848 = 4.24 BTC [+]
thestrin1puller: nubbins` lol
thestrin1puller: you cray cray
benkay: cray like fox.
thestrin1puller: cray like kendrick lamar yo yo
thestringpuller: gold for BTC, perfect way to launder
nubbins`: ^
thestringpuller: gpg yo
nubbins`: pdftk is a great program
thestringpuller: dat svg
thestringpuller: sexy sexy
benkay: the bounce is back
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 10 @ 0.05989999 = 0.599 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00024449 = 1.2225 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 500 @ 0.00109498 = 0.5475 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.859 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.86 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 112 @ 0.00277899 = 0.3112 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 94 @ 0.0075985 = 0.7143 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.87 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.86 = 8.6 BTC [-]
benkay: "commodity backed cryptocurrency"
benkay: given that i can take my buttcorns down to ye local banker and turn them into commodities, this is idiocy on idiocy, right?
mircea_popescu: so far.
benkay: "so far"?
benkay: meaning in the absence of a functional commodity-backed cc?
mircea_popescu: what you've said so far
mircea_popescu: mebbe there's more to it ?
benkay: not by my parsing.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.73100011 BTC [-]
benkay: just thinking about the concept shows it riddled with the holes of weak minds
benkay: how does one trust the issuer of such cc to back it fully and not descend into fractional reserve behavior?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 0.0599 = 0.1198 BTC [+]
benkay: i'm still trying to formulate an argument against people who hold that bitcoin is fiat currency
benkay: 'cause "it's backed by math, idiot" isn't working
dub: erryday I hear, 'no really what are you really cracking'
benkay: i find myself trying to convince people of stuff again dammit :(
benkay: dub: as in "are you on crack"?
mircea_popescu: da fuck is "bitcoin is fiat currency" supposed to mean ?
benkay: i think the implication is that it's a currency by consensus
mike_c: it doesn't mean anything. What they mean when they say it is that it isn't backed by anything of value. you know, like gold.
benkay: which is moronic given that all currencies are only such by consensus
opc0d3: ofmogmozgml0lgz
benkay: enlighten me opc0d3
mike_c: it's one of those arguments that when you hear it, your ears start to bleed a little.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4796 @ 0.00084784 = 4.0662 BTC [+]
opc0d3: ICBIT.se 0% fees. mpex is going down the drain. ICBIT.se 2 years of rock solid trusted service. ICBIT.se futures much better then MPEX garbage with 40BTC signup fee
opc0d3: MPEX going to zero. how do i short MPEX. +1 ICBIT.se
opc0d3: that is all.
opc0d3: I doubled my BTC buying futures at ICBIT.se, the greatest and largest futures exchange of all time
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 49 @ 0.002779 = 0.1362 BTC [+]
nubbins`: art by consensus
benkay: opc0d3: what's the options volume on icbit?
opc0d3: 4:1 leverage. best way to make money with exchange rate going up
mike_c: went from 1 btc to 2? congrats!
benkay: nubbins`: art because your lord said so. money by the same.
opc0d3: benkay: 170,000 volume on the futures contracts
nubbins`: benkay: i'm not the one with an aesthetics subcommittee.
benkay: it's not a subcommittee, it only reports to me.
mircea_popescu: opc0d3 http://trilema.com/2012/icbitse-the-bucket-shop/
mircea_popescu: start there.
nubbins`: consider the statement suitably modified
nubbins`: art by fiat!
mircea_popescu: i suppose the entire "bitcoin is fiat" argument fails to comprehend that the only true scarcity is mathematical in nature.
mircea_popescu: you can't get another number four.
nubbins`: art by math: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-11-2013#367467 ☝︎
benkay: i would put the a.c. outside for the night if that hit my radar unsolicited.
asciilifeform: what's next? some joker will say that an AK round is 'fiat' currency?
benkay: (^^ nubbins`)
asciilifeform: 'barrel doesn't /have/ to be 7.62mm! fiat!'
nubbins`: ;)
opc0d3: mircea_popescu: so you claim that they sell fake contracts down to force people into margin calls?? doubt it. i've been trading there for 4 months, in the black significantly, (im on this list https://icbit.se/WebTrade/top.aspx ) and have made multiple withdrawls.
opc0d3: Tycho is an ADMIN at bitcointalk and very trusted and is one of the owners.
benkay: admin at bitcointalk
benkay: well then give him all your isk
mike_c: no, an ADMIN
nubbins`: admin AT BITCOINTALK
opc0d3: mircea_popescu: sounds like you're just bitter that they had thin volume and someone traded against you
benkay: amazing options
opc0d3: point is, he's trusted
mircea_popescu: opc0d3 don't be an idiot. that article is older than your involvement in "finance".
opc0d3: laugh all you want. its like laughing at using John K for escrow.. you sound like idiots
pankkake: > trusting a website with urls in .aspx
nubbins`: trust by fiat
mircea_popescu: sigh.
opc0d3: mircea_popescu: they have more volume now. you obviously bought futures in a thin market, and it moved against you.
mircea_popescu: i love it when 4 month old muppets imagine their short lifespan compensates for 2year+ history.
mike_c: is he kidding? or did john k show his face again?
nubbins`: pankkake: there's nothing stopping that from being a renamed .jspx ;)
mircea_popescu: opc0d3 mpex had months over 1mn btc nominal.
opc0d3: they're only getting bigger and bigger... so laugh all you want
mircea_popescu: the difference is that mpex uses actual figures, rather than running this thinly veiled scam you do.
opc0d3: ICBIT.se is the most legitimate futures exchange right now, and the largest.... so laugh at their success
mircea_popescu: they get bigger and bigger each year.
opc0d3: 0% fees also
mircea_popescu: then they magically don't have the dough to pay the winners, and go into a cone of darkness for a half year
mircea_popescu: then they hire some five cent an hour muppets and are again alll sucess and bigger and bigger.
mircea_popescu: and again and again.
mircea_popescu: unregulated markets have various advantages, among which the existence of such idiocy.
opc0d3: mircea_popescu: it's in your interest to slander you competitors. so, forgive me if I call you on your FUD and BS
mircea_popescu: dude.
benkay: "don't have the dough to pay the winners"
benkay: sauce?
mircea_popescu: benkay the article quoted, and there's periodic such reports on bitcointalk
mircea_popescu: last one was about 3 months or so. magically, his position was executed 10% under market.
Apocalyptic: opc0d3, ICBIT.se ? never heard of that
mircea_popescu: and to clarify, opc0d3 , you don't get to come in after a coupla years and call established fact "fud" and "bs".
mircea_popescu: if nothing else, because there's little doubt and even less uncertainity involved.
opc0d3: Apocalyptic: its the largest Futures exchange, and they have 0% trading fees right now... its awesome
benkay: ;;getrating opc0d3
gribble: Use the gettrust command instead. See http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/OTC_Rating_System#Relying_on_the_rating
benkay: ;;gettrust opc0d3
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user opc0d3: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=opc0d3 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=opc0d3 | Rated since: never
benkay: ah well there ya go
opc0d3: MPEX is upset that they've stolen market share so they tried to slander them
benkay: come back with a wot identity opc0d3
opc0d3: too lazy
opc0d3: maybe later
benkay: a telling response.
mircea_popescu: benkay you're just angry because he's stealing your wot share.
Apocalyptic: well the fact site is running on ASP makes me chuckle a bit
opc0d3: mircea_popescu: even though i think you're full of shit.... your picture on that horse is hilarious. +1
mircea_popescu: opc0d3 you don't have what to think i'm full of shit with.
nubbins`: hey, asp *dot net*!
pankkake: oh a webchat user, the advance sign of retardation
nubbins`: there's an "x" in those extensions!
opc0d3: Apocalyptic: yeah, funny that most of the worlds corporate software runs on .NET , i wonder why multi-billion dollar companies use .NET... what idiots@!!
pankkake: lol
Apocalyptic: do they ? i feel more secure running a linux server honestly
Apocalyptic: but what do I know...
nubbins`: they do.
opc0d3: only idiots would buy windows. That Mircosoft company must be worthless.... let me check
pankkake: you know, multi billion dollar companies aren't a very good example of competence or efficiency
Apocalyptic: ^^
opc0d3: $300B market cap!
benkay: inertia, mostly.
benkay: and what's the fb market cap? and their competence/business acumen?
opc0d3: pankkake: doesn't mean that running a .NET site is stupid or bad idea.
pankkake: you'll figure it out when you get out of school
opc0d3: i run linux on all my servers. but can tell you from experience that big corps prefer MSFT
pankkake: so?
Apocalyptic: opc0d3, they "prefer" that's it
mircea_popescu: this is progressing nicely.
Apocalyptic: doesn't mean anything about the value of the product
opc0d3: you guys are lemmings to laugh at .NET
opc0d3: linux fanboys
mircea_popescu: opc0d3 where have you learned to win friends and influence people ?
mircea_popescu: it wasn't steve ballmer was it.
nubbins`: see, the thing is: coca-cola can afford to pay for gold-tier support contracts, so they can use .NET and if it breaks (which it doesn't), they have a big red telephone they can pick up to get it fixed
opc0d3: i personally don't use any MSFT products, but would never be so idiotic to laugh at developers that do
nubbins`: some random btc-related website likely doesn't have any sort of gold-tier anything
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 99 @ 0.0075988 = 0.7523 BTC [+]
nubbins`: and so if something breaks (it will), they're fucked until they figure out how to fix it
opc0d3: +1 nubbins
nubbins`: THAT SAID
mircea_popescu: nubbins` except a fictitious exchange with no volume could be just as well run off dreamweaver.
opc0d3: nah. .NET deployments are usually much more stable then linux ones
nubbins`: the support community around .NET is just as massive as the one around any other web dev technology
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: notepad, even
mircea_popescu: was.
Apocalyptic: opc0d3, out of curiosity when was this trading plateform launched ?
mircea_popescu: it was, in 2001. maybe 2005.
mircea_popescu: it's nowhere near today.
opc0d3: what a load of BS>... ICBIT is not 'fictitious' nor does it have no volume.... so much misinformation and lies in here
opc0d3: you're just pissed you have competition -- successful competition
nubbins`: ah, i haven't worked with .NET since around 2005-07
dub: tycho is that guy that forgot how to run a pool yeah?
benkay: opc0d3 - it's an echo chamber in here. don't get butthurt.
mircea_popescu: opc0d3 dude, every mayfly in the book has said the exact same thing about me.
mircea_popescu: read moar.
nubbins`: left it behind when WCF started getting pushed
mircea_popescu: nubbins` from what i hear you weren't alone
opc0d3: benkay: MP talks, and pankkake echo's , seems like
nubbins`: the years of sharepoint development sucked my soul out, but being forced to move to WCF was the straw that broke me
opc0d3: a cute little parrot on his shoulder
pankkake: what you don't understand is that there is only one person here
nubbins`: ^
mircea_popescu: opc0d3 you know you could save yourself a lot of embarassment by reviewing the logs for a few days before blindly jumping in.
nubbins`: everyone else is a robot
mircea_popescu: an approach which actually would make your life better in every aspect.
mike_c: then you would know how to identify art.
benkay: what ams art?
benkay: r options art?
pankkake: please not again :(
mircea_popescu: mike_c by the way, you do have a point.
benkay: i am making put arts
nubbins`: it's art if i publish it
nubbins`: should we get eskimo bob in here?
mircea_popescu: while the opex system works great in every aspect as it is, the underwriter has no actual way to verify when they were executed in fact.
mircea_popescu: so for all they know i could be making shit up.
mike_c: yes :)
asciilifeform: opc0d3: there are no people here. just a script, running on a PDP-8 drywalled into a closet, door painted over, at NSA campus.
mircea_popescu: it somehow never occured to me, this.
mircea_popescu: i'm lucky i'm not the only person reading these logs, it turns out. anyway, we're in the process of arguing about it.
mike_c: ah, glad to hear.
benkay: i think i have wondered at this myself
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.0076 = 0.304 BTC [+]
benkay: ("me too! me too!")
mike_c: i will share all the prize money with you benkay
benkay: mircea_popescu: what do you think about ludwig von mises?
mircea_popescu: as what, a main course meal ?
benkay: you eat men
benkay: dear dog save us all
mircea_popescu: lmao.
nubbins`: there is no dog
mircea_popescu: no but seriously, much more of an economist than a philosopher, for instance.
nubbins`: there is only natas!
benkay: nah i have two weeks of reading and boozing and wenching coming up and i want something meaty
benkay: something that'll stick to my brainbones
benkay: i've lined up the modern money theory stuff on the premise that coming through that'll inoculate me against some brands of idiocy
mircea_popescu: dubious proposition.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00759988 = 0.76 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: best stick to fiction
mircea_popescu: seeing how its entire appeal is constructed by ceaseless repeating
benkay: okay noted
mircea_popescu: the sad thing of money is that nobody really wrote of it well.
mircea_popescu: it's like this supermistress of most accomplished lures which goes wholly forgotten and ignored to the grave,
mircea_popescu: because the sort of men she loved and loved her back were too busy doing to harp about it.
benkay: (doing it)
mircea_popescu: :p
benkay: i suspect i alreaady understand mises work just from the subtitle of that one book
benkay: how the middle way leads to socialism, bad policies following bad policies etc
mircea_popescu: instead phthisic "women" captive in the bodies of little boys like all the various utopian facets of socialism get tons of idyllic literature fashioned
mircea_popescu: by the sort of idle, pointless virgins that'd be interested in such crap.
benkay: plato, then?
mircea_popescu: btw pankkake you're doing a very small amount of parroting over here! i thought we had a deal!
pankkake: I need to insult you more
pankkake: or something
mircea_popescu: the one problem with these kids is... they have no endurance.
pankkake: I haven't read your latest blog stuff so I have nothing to disagree with
mircea_popescu: ten minutes later they're gone. how's one supposed to have fun ;/
mircea_popescu: hey opc0d3 come back! we weren't done!@
pankkake: well he probably came earlier and will come back later. I wonder why he picked me, I wasn't even parroting this time
nubbins`: once the conversation turned to books, i began silently lamenting my inability to finish reading one hundred years of solitude
pankkake: though it felt that way other times
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.389 BTC [-]
pankkake: I don't understand futures, options, and have no idea what icbit is :)
nubbins`: voodoo gibberish, stay away
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.0076999 = 0.1925 BTC [+]
benkay: black finance magic of the destroy economies kind
benkay: only allowed on buttcoin black markets
mircea_popescu: it's basically bitcoinica minus the relic hunting.
pankkake: "savage capitalism" as your socialists say
mircea_popescu: i don't recall now if it was written as a bitcoinica envy clone or not.
benkay: hey mircea_popescu what were you implying the other day when you queried for the s.mg price and then made a comment about an in-game thing?
pankkake: somehow when I see savage I think of a horse running free in the grass
pankkake: so I'm ok with that
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 121 @ 0.00109498 = 0.1325 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: benkay just idle comment that the volume was apparently up
mircea_popescu: or down
mircea_popescu: or i don't recall which
benkay: i'd started imagining game/stock tie-ins
benkay: hey mircea_popescu you have some education to perform: https://twitter.com/rabois/status/397075060499812352
mircea_popescu: what's the rush.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 193 @ 0.00769996 = 1.4861 BTC [+] {2}
mike_c: joel spolsky
pankkake: it's part of his strategy though
pankkake: not posting stupid shit on twitter
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 4 @ 0.05989999 = 0.2396 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: actually i think there's a rss to twitter feed.
dub: speaking of education
dub: http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/bella/2013/01/your_chinese_takeout_box_has_b.php
dub: groundbreaking stuff
mircea_popescu: mike_c probably not count because engineers aren't "successfull ceos".
mircea_popescu: or because july isn't current. or w/e.
benkay: dub: i wanted it to have a badbios
nubbins`: your chinese takeout box has had a badbios this whole time
dub: tl;dr? seen it mentioned a few times today
mircea_popescu: twist : badbios is written in .net
nubbins`: that'd be an impressive feat
nubbins`: you'd get at least a few whitepapers out of it
mircea_popescu: further twist : http://www.businessinsider.com/russia-claims-china-bugged-tea-kettles-2013-10
mircea_popescu: i think my cock might be bugged
mircea_popescu: it buggers womenz all teh time.
mircea_popescu: even further twist : "its payment unit PayPal may one day incorporate BitCoin." where are you skinnavaj guy.
nubbins`: ltc: to the hill!
mircea_popescu: (sauce : http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-11-03/ebay-expands-accepted-digital-currencies-says-paypal-may-one-day-incorporate-bitcoin )
mircea_popescu: ahahaah to the hill
KRS1: Its Fontas http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/250x250/37873404.jpg
mircea_popescu: too good.
pankkake: I have a hard time imagining ebay adopting bitcoin
mircea_popescu: i don't have a hard time imagining why they'd want to tho.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12550 @ 0.00084278 = 10.5769 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: breaking news: ebay to acquire bitcoin
pankkake: the make a lot through paypal fees, or sneaky currency conversion fees
nubbins`: they make a lot through ebay fees
nubbins`: 10%!
pankkake: really it's 10% now?
nubbins`: yes man
mircea_popescu: they'd make a helluva lot more if they could just take a file out of dpr's book and tell the govt to suck on an onion./
nubbins`: ebay+pp = 13%
pankkake: it's becoming worse and worse
pankkake: wow
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00084145 = 8.5828 BTC [-]
nubbins`: that's why everything is so goddamn expensive on ebay
mircea_popescu: wait, so actually the silkroad charged less than ebay ?!
pankkake: my last big sales were in the 5% range or less, but that was years ago
nubbins`: i think SR was a straight-up 10?
mircea_popescu: maybe i completely misunderstood the business model there.
mircea_popescu: it wasn't for drugs.
nubbins`: although if you wanna be fair you'd have to include exchange fees
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 93 @ 0.0076024 = 0.707 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 11 @ 0.06 = 0.66 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 4 @ 0.05989999 = 0.2396 BTC [-]
benkay: huh. so when does the ebay for bitcoin happen, eh mp?
mircea_popescu: i dunno. i been crowing about how it'd be a good idea for years.
mircea_popescu: that bitmit thing isn't going anywhere.
mircea_popescu: but where to find the people to do it...
pankkake: I've been meaning to write it but my productivity is close to zero these last few months
pankkake: mostly due to frustrations with bitmit
pankkake: well, if I do something, that will be it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5229 @ 0.00083969 = 4.3907 BTC [-]
pankkake: their thread is full of disgruntled sellers, certainly not what you'd want
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 64 @ 0.002779 = 0.1779 BTC [+]
benkay: pankkake u ams dev, unless I misremember
benkay: (plz for to correct)
pankkake: ams?
pankkake: I'm a developer, mostly worked for web startups
benkay: preferred stack?
pankkake: Python, where I use many libs rather than a framework
pankkake: though I previously used Django
benkay: ugh
benkay: django is like a ufo
benkay: "incant this triangular shaped widget into this triangular shaped hole and photos will appear over there"
pankkake: it's easy to do simple stuff but hard to do complex stuff
pankkake: haha
benkay: fn tell me about it
benkay: when i get back from le argent i gotta defuck this django stack
benkay: and then make it profitable
pankkake: I haven't kept up with the latest frameworks
benkay: allow me to express my disgust with python
pankkake: though I use most libs of the Pyramids stack
benkay: DISGUST
pankkake: what do you use?
benkay: clojure
pankkake: :D
benkay: although python because clients
benkay: hm.
benkay: bitcoin ebay?
benkay: in lisp?
benkay: come on pankkake
mircea_popescu: it's not a matter of platform or coding even.
mircea_popescu: when i say someone to do it i mean someone with a decade's worth of experience in a relevant position.
mircea_popescu: area manager for a major fcmg retailer, for instance.
pankkake: there's more than doing an ebay though. there is a need for easy small shops (like bigcartel.com)
pankkake: fcmg?
benkay: i would love to build a thing under someone with a decade's domain experience
benkay: i also want to work with tools that i enjoy
benkay: (as an aside: do you know how hard it is to find business-oriented mentors in america?)
nubbins`: bigcartel is beta-ing direct credit card payments right now
nubbins`: i got an email about it the other day
nubbins`: cutting paypal outta the loop!
pankkake: about time
nubbins`: nod
benkay: (the best we get are advertising/strategy bros who have accidentally fallen into tech)
pankkake: hm bandcamp still uses paypal?
nubbins`: afaik
nubbins`: now, both allowed you to pay with a cc without having a paypal account
nubbins`: but still.
mircea_popescu: benkay myeah.
mircea_popescu: pankkake fast moving consumer goods. like sodas, tampons, whatever.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 34 @ 0.0076025 = 0.2585 BTC [+]
nubbins`: speedboats
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00083969 = 6.3816 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.83 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.002779 = 0.5558 BTC [+]
benkay: ohai luke
benkay: how are those quantum bitcoins coming, eh?
benkay: Luke-Jr: ping
Luke-Jr: …
benkay: noosphere?
benkay: oh scuse me noospheer
benkay: Luke-Jr: weren't you involved with that operation?
Luke-Jr: only if they get something working
Luke-Jr: then I'll add support to BFGMiner
Luke-Jr: I'm skeptical it'll get that far.
Luke-Jr: especially when the main guy behind it is going around demanding proof GPUs can't simulate ASICs..
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.83 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.869 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.8699 = 1.7398 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.00083969 = 8.6488 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: lol such a failpile.
mircea_popescu: simulate asics in gpus simulated in pressure cookers simulated in one guy's mind.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.83 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 105 @ 0.0076016 = 0.7982 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 612 @ 0.00109498 = 0.6701 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.8699999 BTC [+]
jurov: pankkake: my impression is as soon as one wants javascript interactive bling, is in for serious butthurt
jurov: regardless of framework
jurov: it's like windows api, but developed by multiple competing entities
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00278 = 0.278 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 450 @ 0.00109498 = 0.4927 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.8301 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 105 @ 0.00788039 = 0.8274 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: so mike_c, it may please you to find that not only are you in the mpex faq now, but process of arguing about it ended a coupla hours ago with my complete capitulation
mircea_popescu: as a result mpex now returns executed collateral immediately upon execution.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00083969 = 2.8549 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 498 @ 0.00109102 = 0.5433 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 103 @ 0.00278 = 0.2863 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 558 @ 0.00109498 = 0.611 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 15 @ 0.06 = 0.9 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13300 @ 0.00083436 = 11.097 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 88 @ 0.0078889 = 0.6942 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 13 @ 0.0078889 = 0.1026 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19550 @ 0.00082588 = 16.146 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 6 @ 0.12748333 = 0.7649 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 88 @ 0.0078871 = 0.6941 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.15 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 88 @ 0.00788839 = 0.6942 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 204 @ 0.00789226 = 1.61 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 421 @ 0.00278 = 1.1704 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5941 @ 0.00082876 = 4.9237 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.85 = 3.4 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.83000044 = 9.13 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.8255716 = 1.6511 BTC [-] {2}
jurov: <mircea_popescu> as a result mpex now returns executed collateral immediately upon execution.<<< immediately on opex you mean? or it's about futures?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 375 @ 0.00278135 = 1.043 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1073 @ 0.00278769 = 2.9912 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 837 @ 0.00278769 = 2.3333 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 16 @ 0.8 = 12.8 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 238 @ 0.00277874 = 0.6613 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11967 @ 0.00082588 = 9.8833 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.75916668 = 2.2775 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [XBOND] [PAID] 0.69348300 BTC to 1`386`966 shares, 50 satoshi per share
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8700 @ 0.00082886 = 7.2111 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 37 @ 0.0599135 = 2.2168 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 21 @ 0.05989999 = 1.2579 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 95 @ 0.05989999 = 5.6905 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7016 @ 0.00082984 = 5.8222 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 127 @ 0.00780004 = 0.9906 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 89 @ 0.0078899 = 0.7022 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 54 @ 0.05803898 = 3.1341 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 131 @ 0.0078 = 1.0218 BTC [-]
kleeck: Heh. Just got a notification email from the my State's Healthcare Association regarind CryptoLocker.
kleeck: My IronPort has been stripping zipped .exe files for a month now., all from DHL, UPS, and FedEx. Thanks for the headsup...
topace: haha
topace: thats a pretty shitty virus
topace: bringing a lot of new people to bitcoin
topace: in a bad way
topace: i had one guy ask me how i hadnt been arrested yet becuase he knew my address and phone number he was going to report me to the police
topace: it took me half an hour to explain to him, i only buy and sell bitcoins,. i have nothing to do with cryptolocker
kleeck: lol
kleeck: Drugs and Viruses, the backbone of BTC>
kleeck: :P
kleeck: It makes me sad that this virus is actually doing damage to any medium sized businesses.
kleeck: First off, your users shouldn't be able to get a zipped exe, or an exe, at all.
kleeck: At least via e-mail.
kleeck: Second, why don't you have backups?!
topace: one guy i talked to said it infected their backup system from the desktop it was clicked on
topace: i tried to explain to him how a moutned network drive != backup
kleeck: What?
topace: useless
kleeck: His backup was a network share?
topace: yea
kleeck: wtf
topace: which, kinda makes sense
kleeck: who are these clowns?
topace: it was a NAS
topace: and as a clueless IT person, thats probabyl what i would do too
kleeck: So, this wasn't a system admin, then?
topace: most of these companies dont have sysadmins
topace: they have "a guy that knows a littlbe bit about computers"
topace: or
kleeck: And uses network shares as a backup solution..
topace: "a guy that knows a guy that knows how to use computers"
kleeck: You can use a NAS, but you don't SHARE the backup partition.
topace: mostly ive been contacted by small businesses.. 3-10 employees
kleeck: I see.
topace: 3-5 per week the past few weeks
kleeck: Do you do support, then?
topace: "hi, i'd like to buy exactly 2.00000000 bitcoins, how do i do it? can i give you my creditcard number?"
kleeck: Oh no...
topace: == surefire cryptolocker victim
kleeck: That sucks, man.
kleeck: Makes me sad.
topace: i run www.canadianbitcoins.com
kleeck: I see.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.760217 = 4.5613 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 151 @ 0.00769506 = 1.162 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 6 @ 0.0580001 = 0.348 BTC [-]
jcpham: http://pandodaily.com/2013/11/04/startup-snake-oil-scamming-early-stage-entrepreneurs/
ozbot: Startup snake oil: scamming early stage entrepreneurs | PandoDaily
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 43 @ 0.00277999 = 0.1195 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19883 @ 0.00082375 = 16.3786 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: ;;ticker --market all
kleeck: .d
ozbot: 390928787.63809 | Next Diff in 209 blocks | Estimated Change: 31.8184% in 0d 23h 40m 50s
nubbins`: gribs is slow
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD last: 234.63654, vol: 18870.86799441 | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 218.97, vol: 19816.55391138 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 215.996, vol: 12618.76417 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 213.98, vol: 386.26816174 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 228.25050156, vol: 33815.64000000 | Volume-weighted last average: 225.636171552
nubbins`: (!!)
ThickAsThieves: well shit
nubbins`: i know right?
ThickAsThieves: ;;nethash
gribble: 4033928.60985
ThickAsThieves: ;;estimate
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 515523510.95 based on data since last change | 563524717.975 based on data for last three days
nubbins`: any guesses as to when we'll see a BTC-USD all-time high?
ThickAsThieves: this week
nubbins`: wouldn't surprise me
ThickAsThieves: i thought we'd be pulling back already
nubbins`: nod
ThickAsThieves: i think this ebay news is floating it
nubbins`: i was surprised at the amount of support ~200
JoeyMe: it cant go down can it?
nubbins`: JoeyMe: impossible, re-mortgage your house and put it all in btc
ThickAsThieves: nubbins' is a financial advisor
JoeyMe: no, I meant difficulty
ThickAsThieves: diff can go down
ThickAsThieves: it wont any time soon
ThickAsThieves: but it can
JoeyMe: ok
nubbins`: hm, i wonder
nubbins`: i'd normally be really stressed out about buying btc at 225
nubbins`: but i don't think it would be a bad idea, short-term
ThickAsThieves: it's all a guess at this point
ThickAsThieves: looking at the situation I think many would say it's overpriced
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 120 @ 0.007695 = 0.9234 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: but there's no stopping it from going up more
ThickAsThieves: it will relieve itself eventually
nubbins`: agreed
nubbins`: just a matter of how close you can get your horseshoe to the stake
bitesak: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 232.90000, Best ask: 234.00000, Bid-ask spread: 1.10000, Last trade: 232.00001, 24 hour volume: 19281.05367985, 24 hour low: 214.89993, 24 hour high: 234.95000, 24 hour vwap: 223.42446
bitesak: thats quite a price for 1 bitcoin
nubbins`: it's quite a price for two, really
kleeck: Yes. I dare say I'm gonig to take some profits now.
ThickAsThieves: $2329000 for a pizza
nubbins`: heh
kleeck: :)
ThickAsThieves: fukn inflation
bitesak: now? it's not even an all time high
nubbins`: can't even imagine what a box of kraft dinner costs ;)
nubbins`: bitesak: greedy!
kleeck: Of course now. Average bought is 60$. It is time.
nubbins`: <-avg $22
kleeck: Well done!
kleeck: I bought my first @ 9$.
nubbins`: better done if i hadn't won and lost several fortunes in that period of time
kleeck: I won't say what I did with those...
nubbins`: my first btc cost $16, and i smoked it
ThickAsThieves: $230 joints
kleeck: I too looked into the eyes of insane profit % and said, "Nay! I will not take you!"
bitesak: I bought me first at39cents and have made many 'wrong' decisions along the way on selling them :)
ThickAsThieves: good stuff i hope
nubbins`: *cough* good enough
nubbins`: anyway, i did some math the other day
kleeck: And now we get to tell our friends all about the premium drugs we've abused.
nubbins`: it turns out that if i had just done nothing with my btc, i'd be in exactly the same financial situation as i am today
nubbins`: which is really the best i could ask for, given how many times i've lost my shirt on poor investments
kleeck: haha
kleeck: I hear you.
nubbins`: losing money makes you learn quickly.
kleeck: Indeed.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.75600008 = 9.072 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.75300001 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1500 @ 0.00762295 = 11.4344 BTC [-] {10}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 519 @ 0.0075985 = 3.9436 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.72227777 = 6.5005 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: jurov no, options.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` so then no, you wou;dn't be in the same position. knowledge is money.
ThickAsThieves: brain equity
mircea_popescu: fritz machlup ftw
nubbins`: hmm, you've got a point
nubbins`: i'd likely have lost my shirt in some other manner
nubbins`: and i mean, i get shirts wholesale, but they're still not free, ya know!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34200 @ 0.00081905 = 28.0115 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i guess nobody today remembers machlup as the initiator of the "information economy" concept
ThickAsThieves: i read the wiki, i know plenty!
mircea_popescu: aok
ThickAsThieves: hehe, not really
ThickAsThieves: sad he dies 3/10ths into his plan
nubbins`: http://www.indexmundi.com/commodities/?commodity=cotton&months=60
ozbot: Cotton - Daily Price - Commodity Prices - Price Charts, Data, and News - IndexMundi
nubbins`: ^ for a while there, t-shirts REALLY weren't free
mircea_popescu: the price of cotton figures what, 18 cents in the cost fo a tshirt ?
mircea_popescu: http://www.theonion.com/articles/man-who-enjoys-thing-informed-he-is-wrong,7057/
ozbot: Man Who Enjoys Thing Informed He Is Wrong | The Onion - America's Finest News Source
JoeyMe: c
nubbins`: not sure of the exact numbers, but the price of a shirt was roughly 2x today's price when that was happening
nubbins`: hahahahahahahaha @ article
nubbins`: why didn't himmelsbaugh consult an appropriate authority before assuming that he enjoyed the thing?
nubbins`: what an idiot
mircea_popescu: totally.
mircea_popescu: so i'm reading old logs : Jun 21 14:49:17 <mircea_popescu>well it was 1/4 bn earlier thisd year
mircea_popescu: apparently what goes around comes around.
mircea_popescu: http://www.activistpost.com/2013/11/irs-to-jail-woman-who-owes-0-in-taxes.html
ozbot: Activist Post: IRS to Jail Woman Who Owes $0 in Taxes, Seeks Jury Nullification
kleeck: How dare she?!
kakobrekla: http://bitbet.us/bet/508/btc-network-difficulty-to-top-500mn-before-xmas/
kakobrekla: hits 200btc
ozbot: BitBet - BTC network difficulty to top 500MN before Xmas 2013
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.819 = 1.638 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 267926 | Current Difficulty: 3.9092878763808584E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 268127 | Next Difficulty In: 201 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 0 hours, 14 minutes, and 28 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 515663290.372 | Estimated Percent Change: 31.90722
kakobrekla: aha.
mircea_popescu: crazy shot
kakobrekla: feels like 2011
mircea_popescu: tghen people want btc to go down. well how the fuck.
ThickAsThieves: http://bitbet.us/bet/519/btc-network-difficulty-to-top-1b-before-2014/
ozbot: BitBet - BTC network difficulty to top 1B before 2014
ThickAsThieves: where's the 200btc on that one?
mircea_popescu: 1bn doesn't seem so unlikely nao.
asciilifeform: now would be the perfect time for an 'asteroid' event (e.g. somebody gets SATCOIN hasher working.)
ThickAsThieves: very likely
mircea_popescu: what's satcoin ?
asciilifeform: or, anybody still alive knows how to wrangle gallium arsenide logic?
asciilifeform: satcoin: http://jheusser.github.io/2013/02/03/satcoin.html
dexX7: people say a sat-solver is useless, because it would only provide an advantage, if sha is broken
mircea_popescu: sat solving my foot.
asciilifeform: dexX7: not necessarily. more efficient mining doesn't need a SAT solution in the general case.
asciilifeform: just as RSA-breaking has not been proven to require fast factoring.
mircea_popescu: maybe i'm rusty, but afaik mining != sha(sha(block+nonce))
asciilifeform: the cookie jar is far too full for somebody not to try an interesting an unorthodox approach to empty it.
dexX7: i like the idea
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2650 @ 0.00081903 = 2.1704 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: but maybe that's like thinking that a sufficiently juicy chunk of rotten meat, placed on the moon, will somehow attract flies.
dexX7: or let's say the idea of trying something unconventional :)
mircea_popescu: i think the moon simile carries.
asciilifeform: maybe some wealthy joker ought to fund a 'Perimeter Institute' for btc.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 19 @ 0.0552 = 1.0488 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: here's a lead for anybody who wants to play: http://www.sussex.ac.uk/Users/adrianth/ascot/paper/paper.html
asciilifeform: dollars to doughnuts, hypothetical 'superminer' would be an ultimately analog system. with no well-understood explanation for why it works.
asciilifeform: bz-bzzz. where are the other flies on this dusty space rock...
jurov: mh, human brain falls into that definition, too :)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know flies require an atmosphere
asciilifeform: right.
jurov: pity it can do n-th sqare roots better than modulo 32 arithmetic
asciilifeform: hence the pristine meat.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 253 @ 0.001092 = 0.2763 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00081905 = 5.9791 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, if I get a parrot that extracts correct nonces out of a bag, i don't have a miner.
mircea_popescu: i have a coincidental parrot.
mircea_popescu: even if i crack 1000 consecutive blocks in half an hour.
kakobrekla: how much for the parrot
asciilifeform: any reason such a beast wouldn't function as a miner?
mircea_popescu: anamazing parrot!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform same reason a girl wearing a funny hat doesn't function as the emperess of china.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: think it would wake people up into the dynamic-workfunction heresy?
mircea_popescu: if the shaman heals you he's still no doctor, even should the mage light up a fire he's still no matchstick
asciilifeform: the mage can still burn the village to the ground
asciilifeform: even if he has no idea why his stick-rubbing touched off the flame.
mircea_popescu: but it wouldn't be a flamethrower, it'd just be a lucky freak.
asciilifeform: right
mircea_popescu: so in this sense this isn't a discussion about mining,
mircea_popescu: this is a discussion about what if god gets your wife pregnant.
asciilifeform: it's more a discussion of 'asteroid event.'
mircea_popescu: right.
mircea_popescu: if messiah comes tomorrow riding a box of flaming fans
mircea_popescu: this perhaps will have an impact, let's discuss it :D
asciilifeform: one would have to smoke some serious strange to believe that the concept of workfunction is vulnerable in the general case.
asciilifeform: but it is quite certainly so in the specific instance currently in use.
asciilifeform: all of this reminds me of a story told about General Curtis LeMay
asciilifeform: it is said that he never spat out his enormous cigar, and once appeared with such near a bomber at a fueling pump
asciilifeform: a grunt, risking court martial, asked the general to put out his smoke
asciilifeform: given that the whole shebang 'might explode'
asciilifeform: to which the general replied - 'it wouldn't dare.'
asciilifeform: the static workfunction is not entirely unlike this cigar.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.815 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: good story.
mircea_popescu: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/73/Curtis_LeMay_(USAF).jpg
mircea_popescu: no cigar.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00269 = 0.269 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 4 @ 0.0552 = 0.2208 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 38 @ 0.0552 = 2.0976 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 240 @ 0.00109498 = 0.2628 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/bitbet-october-2013-statement/
ozbot: BitBet, October 2013 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: bitbet in the red!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1350 @ 0.00022 = 0.297 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4350 @ 0.00081903 = 3.5628 BTC [-]
nubbins`: i'm so fucking addled
nubbins`: sick of dealing with subhumans
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 4 @ 0.375 = 1.5 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.1493 = 0.2986 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 41 @ 0.00260848 = 0.1069 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 4959 @ 0.0025356 = 12.574 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.0077899 = 0.3116 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5076 @ 0.00081758 = 4.15 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 260 @ 0.00277997 = 0.7228 BTC [+] {2}
firedrops: any new on BFL delivery of 28nm?
firedrops: news*
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 192 @ 0.00758058 = 1.4555 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 132 @ 0.0073306 = 0.9676 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.73833333 = 4.43 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 100 @ 0.05325297 = 5.3253 BTC [-] {15}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 15 @ 0.38000005 = 5.7 BTC [-] {2}
jurov: nubbins`: let's discuss art with superhumans instead :DD
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.7795 BTC [+]
nubbins`: jurov, i generally don't talk to myself anymore ;)
nubbins`: just having a hard time with some meatheads that are former tenants of mine
nubbins`: they apparently think that not responding to my messages, phone calls, and letters is a reasonable way to deal with a court order requiring them to pay me
nubbins`: so now i have to waste a bunch of time filing paperwork with the sheriff's office
nubbins`: so i can get a garnishee order put on their paycheques
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.37 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: Coinbase price above Gox right now
ThickAsThieves: .r
ozbot: Gox | Buy: $233.94 Sell: $234.00 Last: $233.30 High: $234.95 Low: $217.30
ozbot: Bitstamp | Buy: $226.76
ozbot: Coinbase | Buy: $235.41
ozbot: Weex | Buy: $66.00 Sell: $156.00 Last: $156.00
Duffer1: lol what!
Duffer1: run on gox inc?
zacm: cinbase higher than all
Duffer1: gox risk premium is gone, no reason to arb there now
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 100 @ 0.00109116 = 0.1091 BTC [-] {5}
ThickAsThieves: http://blog.mastercoin.org/2013/11/02/tutorial-test-msc-btc-distributed-exchange-transactions/
ozbot: Tutorial: Test MSC – BTC Distributed Exchange Transactions | Mastercoin Blog
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [LABCO] [PAID] 0.21891588 BTC to 40`316 shares, 543 satoshi per share
bob____: why is gox risk premium gone? have they started paying out regularly now?
mod6: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 267948 | Current Difficulty: 3.9092878763808584E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 268127 | Next Difficulty In: 179 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 21 hours, 28 minutes, and 47 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 514579156.082 | Estimated Percent Change: 31.6299
Duffer1: i mean, the price premium that drew arb to gox is no longer there
Duffer1: since it's price is now roughly equal to another major exchange that doesn't have liquidity problem, though i suppose coinbase isn't a true exchange
Duffer1: gox has almost no attraction now
bitesak: is coinbase only for the US?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 42 @ 0.00742748 = 0.312 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10402 @ 0.00081803 = 8.5091 BTC [+]
bitesak: it's in a US bank making it an issue for most people. and no mtgox do not pay quickly either. Sepa withdraw page now says 4 weeks and more apparently
KRS-1: Duffer1: I have used coinbase and I too think that.
bob____: it's not trying to be an exchange though. and it is definitely the safest/easiest way to buy btc in the US.
Duffer1: gox is way longer than 4 weeks unless you want to pay their usurious 5% expedited withdrawal
bob____: wow, they are charging for reasonable withdrawal times? amazing that they are getting away with this for so long.
Duffer1: i think once the 4 weeks passes they send you an extortion email saying you can pay 5% to get expedited, no one is getting reasonable withdrawal time even if you pay the fee
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 10 @ 0.35285 = 3.5285 BTC [-] {6}
geofflosophy: BingoBoingo around?
pgp: question: what would be possible reasons for txn with 0.001 BTC miner fee not to confirm? 5 blocks has been mined in intervening time. Any ideas?
bob____: is it a huge tx? (in kb)
kakobrekla: lol i have some dude writing me he is worried his btc account will go into negative.
kakobrekla: hi pgp, you live!
geofflosophy: damn dude, big ass miner fee
kakobrekla: pgp unluck or just big tx in size, not worth.
pgp: Size: 16998 bytes
kakobrekla: dunno but i can tell you a sekrit which will get you any amt confirmed in 1st block free of charge
pgp: BTC withdrawl from Gox... Goxed again!
pgp: ohh?
Apocalyptic: ouch
kakobrekla: what you need is coin control build
jurov: i use to scare ppl with negative balances on coinbr regularly xD
kakobrekla: so you can easily craft your own tx, so what you do is make the the tx from X to Y, which you need and append X to X which you dont need, the apended tx should be like 100 btc or something
kakobrekla: well basically you need to brake 1 bitcoin-day
kakobrekla: with 100 btc is fairly easy
kakobrekla: with 1k evern easier
pankkake: so, inputs.io hacked it seems
kakobrekla: and you end up with tx which will get confirmed tx in 1st block with 0 fees
pankkake: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=242962.msg3480730#msg3480730
ozbot: Just-Dice.com : Invest in 1% House Edge Dice Game
kakobrekla: i do this all the time, not cause i dont want to pay the fee but for other reasons
nubbins`: ooo
Apocalyptic: pankkake, was waiting for that one to happen
nubbins`: lel @ inputs.io
nubbins`: retards.io
kakobrekla: lol
kakobrekla: was waiting for it to happen really
kakobrekla: shoulda made a bbet
pankkake: I guess https://inputs.io/faq#q4-1 wasn't enough
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: "how do i know i can trust you?"
nubbins`: "you don't"
nubbins`: "but here's 20 bullet points"
pankkake: I still have my 0.0019 btc!
nubbins`: .....for now!!
nubbins`: xfer over 42 BTC and see what happens
Apocalyptic: you lucky pankkake
bob____: i don't believe they were hacked. they use google 2fa. that makes it impossible.
nubbins`: bob raises a good counterpoint
Apocalyptic: lol
Apocalyptic: not sure if you're serious
nubbins`: i'm not
nubbins`: bob may be
bob____: super-serious.
nubbins`: super cereal
nubbins`: ;;ticker -market all
pankkake: I always thought the first issue would be it running a fractional reserve
gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Mtgox. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the code (1 more message)
nubbins`: pankkake: maybe it is, and someone made a big withdrawal
nubbins`: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD last: 234.68000, vol: 16598.56480709 | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 225.65, vol: 25211.51851602 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 218.747, vol: 12357.51717 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 219.00, vol: 506.46552308 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 230.69373804, vol: 35572.04500000 | Volume-weighted last average: 228.316366199
jurov: the site now shows antiphishing bar
jurov: If this bar is missing, triple check that you are on https://inputs.io!
nubbins`: also make sure the "bitcoin foundation silver member" badge is present
nubbins`: and most importantly, ensure the huge splash image properly shows parallax when you wiggle your mouse over it
nubbins`: that means the encryption is on
jurov: oh, and do you know what they replied to my complaint to their homebrewn signature format?
jurov: This is the first time we've heard negative feedback amount the message signing format. It's designed for easier verification for humans, and automated mechanisms obviously won't work correctly. We believe for most use cases the current default is the best option.
jurov: i literally facepalmed
pankkake: lol
pankkake: well I think the real reason is to prevent you from signing actual transactions
jurov: or they found a way how humans can verify ECDSA sigs
pankkake: one human can probably do it: http://www.schneierfacts.com/
pankkake: skinnkavaj: http://bitbet.us/bet/587/litecoin-to-rise-above-4-usd-before-dec/?ref=1Eck6cgGzEb9N42CFhcsCBQhZQStoJbHRK
jurov: http://www.schneierfacts.com/facts/180 indeed
ozbot: Bruce Schneier Facts
pankkake: jurov: are you using a python lib to interact with bitcoind?
jurov: sometimes, mostly i interact directly
pankkake: ok. I have trouble deciding where to start
jurov: start by installing bitcoinrpc, cuz normal jsonrpc will convert everything to floats
pankkake: yeah I saw that. and the offical way seems to have it *replace* jsonrpc which is dirty :/
jurov: or some other problem, can remember exactly what gavin cooked there
jurov: no they renamed it to bitcoinrpc recently
pankkake: oh ok, cool
benkay: bob____:
benkay: bob____: the best way to buy coins in the us is through localbitcoins
jurov: or on -otc next door?
benkay: i cannot believe the amount of retardity on display in the acquiring bitcoins in america space
benkay: i have had sad luck with otc
pankkake: it's not especially better in Europe
benkay: went in looking to pick up nearly a whole shitbuck of corns the other day and got no takers
dub: pic.twitter.com/fuhxHwhexd
bob____: why localbitcoins better? so I can deal with moneypak and cash deposits instead of buying them online with an ach out of my bank account?
benkay: so you can get coins instantly
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.78066666 = 2.342 BTC [+] {3}
bob____: hmm.. i'm not in that big a rush. i can get 10 instantly on coinbase.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 1500 @ 0.00109498 = 1.6425 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.78 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: how is it not better in yurop pankkake?
pankkake: what are we supposed to use, Bitstamp? to trade… USDs?
kakobrekla: he was speaking of acquiring not trading
kakobrekla: for trading, bit4x is up to something i heard today.
pankkake: still quite annoying, unless you plan to buy right away
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10815 @ 0.00081805 = 8.8472 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [LABCO] 805 @ 0.00079 = 0.636 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshh2yu9S05mssR0wg3e
ozbot: Video: Really? New Anti Rape Underwear [Actual Product]
nubbins`: "tired of getting raped? wear these so your attacker will slash your throat instead!"
firedrops: tired of anal/vaginal rape? put a cork in them and get face-raped instead!
firedrops: Face-Rape, by Mennen.
pankkake: it's cleverly built
nubbins`: yeah
pankkake: but I face rape anyways
nubbins`: o
nubbins`: oh nvm, the video says the attacker will not slash your throa
nubbins`: t
pankkake: I doubt many rapists will go that far
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.75 BTC [-]
pankkake: what they say is actually true, resisting somewhat will lessen the chance of the rapist to go further
nubbins`: fair enough
nubbins`: i remember being at a bar show once, and there was some skid going around grabbing girls' asses and stuff
ThickAsThieves: so they wore ass-spikes?
nubbins`: my (then-future) wife railroaded him out of the bar
nubbins`: it was glorious
ThickAsThieves: has she considered a career in rape mitigation?
nubbins`: that was neither the first nor the last time i saw her kick a man out of a bar
ThickAsThieves: is she a bartender?
nubbins`: nope, just a patron
ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 234.44642, Best ask: 235.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.55358, Last trade: 235.00000, 24 hour volume: 16690.25159194, 24 hour low: 220.59997, 24 hour high: 235.00000, 24 hour vwap: 228.40317
ThickAsThieves: remember the crash in April, heh
ThickAsThieves: it finally feels like it was 6mos ago
firedrops: Maybe I'll become a Rape-Companion.. Rent me for %100/hr to prevent rape.
ThickAsThieves: 100% an hour, that's fair
nubbins`: heh
firedrops: lol
nubbins`: i wouldn't go above 50% per hour
firedrops: 100% rape prevention at 99% the cost.
firedrops: 1% discount
nubbins`: although i guess that leaves me at a 50% risk of assault
ThickAsThieves: self-rape doesnt count
nubbins`: ThickAsThieves: crash? what crash? ;|
benkay: standing game and ground game should be taught at age 3
benkay: to both boys and girls, but girls especially
nubbins`: the way you say that, i don't think you've ever tried to teach anything to a 3 year old
benkay: if you don't teach your little ones to defend themselves, injuries they sustain because they're unable to defend themselves should be laid at the parents feet
benkay: ah nubs again with the pedantry. at a young age.
nubbins`: useless
benkay: i think this is the root of the "rape culture" bs
nubbins`: what's a 5 year old gonna do to stop an attacker?
nubbins`: a 10 year old, for that matter?
benkay: how about an 18 year old
benkay: who learned how to grapple ten years ago
benkay: vs one who did not
nubbins`: well, how big are they?
benkay: quit deliberately misunderstanding.
benkay: teach self defense.
benkay: accept that the world is a dangerous place and that children need to know how to kick people in the nuts at the very least
nubbins`: on that, we can agree
nubbins`: i know a badass woman who teaches self defense classes
nubbins`: to young girls
benkay: good on her
benkay: well it's plane o'clock
nubbins`: don't eat the ceviche
firedrops: I can say for sure that teaching anyone under 13 self-defense is useless for self-defense, but great for self-confidence.
firedrops: past that, if they are dedicated, I believe a skilled martial artist teenager could defend against 1-3 attackers (depending on their skill)
ThickAsThieves: inputs.io hacked? http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1pw46j/someone_just_transferred_0095_from_my_inputsio/
dub: you've got it backwards anyway
ThickAsThieves: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1pw807/inputsio_hacked/
ozbot: inputs.io hacked? : Bitcoin
dub: instead of selling anti rape pants sell rape protection
nubbins`: i dunno, man
dub: rape everyone that refuses to pay
dub: problem solved
nubbins`: 3 attackers
nubbins`: vs one teenager?
nubbins`: this isn't hollywood, i think that's a bit unrealistic
ThickAsThieves: karate kid aint getting raped
nubbins`: especially if either of the attackers is a "big guy"
bob____: ThickAsThieves: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-11-2013#368302 ☝︎
dub: depends a lot on the teenager
nubbins`: yep
nubbins`: depends on the teenager being a black belt
dub: no
dub: black belt doesnt acutally mean anything
dub: nor does teenager
dub: some people are fully developed at 13
ThickAsThieves: nor does depends
nubbins`: nor does anything
dub: and blackbelt truely means nothing
nubbins`: anyway, it's a non-solution
nubbins`: unless you're advocating conscription or something
dub: if you've ever watched a real martial artist fight, even a relatively small teenager could be a match for any number of unskilled attackers
ThickAsThieves: It's all over guys, we had a nice run! http://money.cnn.com/2013/11/04/technology/bitcoin-flaw/index.html?iid=HP_LN
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00278 = 0.278 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 348 @ 0.00278 = 0.9674 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: to the core of the earth!
kakobrekla: >Despite rampant fluctuations in in valuation, the price of bitcoins barely budged after the report was made public.
kakobrekla: lol
kakobrekla: cause its nothing new
kakobrekla: idiots.
kakobrekla: i wonder if next news will be btc is dead cause we figured out it is only virtual!?
bob____: it's not backed by gold! sell quick.
nubbins`: http://www.theonion.com/articles/us-economy-grinds-to-halt-as-nation-realizes-money,2912/
ozbot: U.S. Economy Grinds To Halt As Nation Realizes Money Just A Symbolic, Mutually Shared Illusion | The
ThickAsThieves: forumites want Ukyo to show the cold and hot wallet addies to prove he has coins https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=316546.msg3481667#msg3481667
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 4 @ 0.352 = 1.408 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: this is what happens when customer service gets out of control
kakobrekla: happens all the time in the idiotworld, err i mean bitcoinworld
dub: its kinda what happens when dumb people make bitcoin exchanges too
kakobrekla: the root problem is dealing with people with less than x btc
kakobrekla: not only they do not bring anything to the table, take take away from it
kakobrekla: they take*
ThickAsThieves: Bitfunder has about 14btc volume in 24 hours
ThickAsThieves: maybe small guys is all that's left?
nubbins`: kako, +1
nubbins`: ran into this problem during my brief stint as an iOS developer
nubbins`: how much support do you give a customer for the 70 cents they gave you?
dub: thats the first problem
dub: only retarded people use ios
kakobrekla: lol
ThickAsThieves: ive been involved in several types of businesses and yes, the poorer clients are generally the most costly
nubbins`: lel good one!
nubbins`: even writing a one-line email costs more than 70 cents of my time
dub: uh
ThickAsThieves: the way you handle it in bitcoin, is have to have enough of those customers that are fans, and answer questions for you
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18950 @ 0.00082132 = 15.564 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: fanboy tech support
nubbins`: dub, what do non-retarded people use?
dub: android
nubbins`: oh, you're one of those
ThickAsThieves: android isnt bad now
dub: yeah, one of those pesky unretards
nubbins`: no, i meant one of those "i like x so people who like y are dummies!" people
nubbins`: such a strange reaction
pankkake: "Solving a puzzle gives miners a much higher chance of solving the next one" wat
nubbins`: idgaf what brand of telephone i own
kakobrekla: ThickAsThieves, no the way you handle it is to raise the bar and offer a pro support to those who deserve it
nubbins`: and idgaf what brand you own
dub: neither tbh but when i see you holding an iphone I know you are an idiot
nubbins`: but don't let that stop you from masturbating a logo
ThickAsThieves: 2 levels of support, Pro, and No
pankkake: "There are currently 11.9 billion bitcoins in circulation" :D
dub: its a useful indicator
kakobrekla: and how will you distinguish
ThickAsThieves: http://www.coindesk.com/btc-china-beats-mt-gox-bitstamp-become-worlds-1-bitcoin-exchange/
nubbins`: when i see you dealing in absolutes i know you are a retard
nubbins`: so
nubbins`: there's that too
kakobrekla: will you decide on the fly if to reply on support email or not
kakobrekla: or you ignore your customer and hope he gets on the forum
kakobrekla: free fan support
dub: life is too short not to generalise
kakobrekla: is this what we are going for?
ThickAsThieves: i wasnt being serious kako
nubbins`: kakobrekla: my solution was to just stop answering support emails :P
kakobrekla: well shit i cant tell
nubbins`: dub: "life is too short" is a phrase that doesn't belong on irc
kakobrekla: nubbins` yeah i heard you are not in IT anymore.
nubbins`: kakobrekla: nope, good riddance
ThickAsThieves: in practice, my personal dealings with customer service needs have been adaptive
dub: he's an art deal now rite?
dub: dealer*
ThickAsThieves: do what the business situation calls for
nubbins`: i produce the art, i let others deal it
nubbins`: oh and hey! we got our incorporation papers in the mail today
nubbins`: so i guess it's official now
ThickAsThieves: Nubbins Nubs, LLC?
nubbins`: nothing so vulgar
nubbins`: Pink Eye Print Company, Ltd.
ThickAsThieves: cool cool
nubbins`: although that name is still met with revulsion about 30% of the time
nubbins`: "jesus, really? ...well, i'll remember it, at least"
ThickAsThieves: Bitfunder is closing!
ThickAsThieves: https://bitfunder.com/
Kleeck_: Yup
dub: lol
nubbins`: so i can't join the crowd?
nubbins`: they better change that <title/>
Kleeck_: I'm sure that's the first on the list for Ukyo.
ThickAsThieves: registrations have been closed for a while anyway i think
nubbins`: #2: chop off genitals, feed to dogs, kill self
nubbins`: ;;ticker --market all
dub: withdrawals have been closed too apparently
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD last: 234.37171, vol: 16081.58059177 | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 225.33, vol: 26068.56787848 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 218.645, vol: 12103.18559 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 225.5, vol: 7904.52336116 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 220.00, vol: 529.47005912 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 231.19907784, vol: 35245.38900000 | Volume-weighted last average: 228.085716651
pankkake: lol bitfunder
ThickAsThieves: weex withdrawals being broken for a week probly made a lot of people more money
ThickAsThieves: since they probly wanted to sell
ThickAsThieves: :)
nubbins`: public service
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 432 @ 0.00109006 = 0.4709 BTC [-] {4}
pankkake: bitfunder makes the btctctct closure look professional
nubbins`: i never know where the t's and c's end either D:
dub: I like how in the post after its made perfectly clear that butfunder was a one man show he's refering to himself as buttfunder in the 3rd person
pankkake: I wonder why so many operations rely on one man
nubbins`: buttplunder
pankkake: when you start to have some responsibilities, doesn't it make sense to have at least a backup?
nubbins`: because kids these days can do anything!!
dub: s/man/child
pankkake: like the john k thing
nubbins`: new paradigms, duh
nubbins`: having more than one person operate a complicated business is so 1950s
dub: because unique snowflakes
nubbins`: ^
nubbins`: much more succinct
pankkake: I wonder how much of the "dead man switches" are actually bullshit :p
ThickAsThieves: mine is real!
dub: mom said she would help wind up my business if I dieded
pankkake: well, there is now way to know. but I remember seing it in your contracts (you have most of my bitcoins)
dub: as long as I make my bed
pankkake: haha
ThickAsThieves: appropriately, the dead man's switch is real because TATI was never one person
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 35 @ 0.00726 = 0.2541 BTC [-]
dub: I give havelock a couple of weeks, so just mpex again
bob____: but havelock just sold.
jurov: did topace indicate any legal trouble?
dub: getting chased out of your country is always a good sign, ask s.dice
dub: lol 'sold'
bob____: just because the panamanian directors are on the board of 50 companies doesn't mean it's a shell corporation!
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: i'm still pissed that i'm losing my bitbet re: havelock and usa
bob____: i'm surprised at that one.
nubbins`: me too
pankkake: lost the bet too, but the outcome certainly is better for me anyway
dub: 'moving to panama' is now a meme
nubbins`: pankkake: heh
nubbins`: win-win!
kakobrekla: 22:25.07 ( ThickAsThieves ) Bitfunder is closing!
kakobrekla: lulz
pankkake: http://www.amazon.com/Moving-Panama-Not-G-Roebuck-ebook/dp/B0080RH9DQ
ozbot: Amazon.com: Moving to Panama - Not for Me eBook: G. Roebuck: Kindle Store
kakobrekla: yeah too bad for that bbet
nubbins`: i still think topace was the one who bet 1 BTC on "no" ;(
kakobrekla: theres only 0.36 on yes though
nubbins`: yeah
nubbins`: me and a couple of other idiots
kakobrekla: nubbins` and the last bet here http://bitbet.us/bet/554/bitfunder-will-close-before-july-of-2014/
kakobrekla: is ukto?
nubbins`: HAHAHAHAHA
nubbins`: probably
nubbins`: mitigating his losses
Ukto: heh, no
Ukto: i dont use the site.
Ukto: well
Ukto: i have posted some bids
nubbins`: you should've, you could have earned like 0.5 btc!
Ukto: but I can say that bid is not mine :P
Ukto: nah, not right.
[\]: havelock sold?
jurov: [\\\]: https://www.havelockinvestments.com/20131101-announcement.php
nubbins`: https://www.havelockinvestments.com/20131101-announcement.php
nubbins`: ooo
nubbins`: too slow
nubbins`: man, they're devouring these sell walls on havelock
nubbins`: i mean virtex
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5500 @ 0.00022 = 1.21 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9100 @ 0.000823 = 7.4893 BTC [+]
[\]: thanks jurov
[\]: jurov, I wonder who VanCleef is gonna troll now
dub: with any luck he'll suicide for real
jurov: i dunno. #cryptostocks chan is deserted
[\]: lol
nubbins`: #stryptococks
jurov: we desperately need some safety valve spillout channels from -otc and -assets
[\]: this isn't one?
[\]: oh
[\]: heh
[\]: just use #bitcoin
[\]: its full, but idle
nubbins`: your mother's pussy is full, but idle
nubbins`: (sorry)
dub: -trollbox is available
[\]: #bitcointalk
[\]: #bitcointroll
[\]: #got.bit
kakobrekla: #got.tit
[\]: yep
[\]: .bait
ozbot: http://25.media.tumblr.com/170baaf60d0c05188c66a98cb39dd850/tumblr_ml1ec6yEXM1raljz5o1_1280.jpg
dub: #tat.tit
[\]: nope
[\]: .bait
ozbot: http://25.media.tumblr.com/695945e469edc7d2b7d6a863a8071a97/tumblr_mkps0ztciH1s7svwro1_500.gif
[\]: yep
dub: #gaydad4sons
[\]: dub, looks like you'll be all by yourself.
dub: #nambla etc
kakobrekla: jurov you still think you need another chan of this?
[\]: heh
jurov: kakobrekla hopefully it dilutes a bit
kakobrekla: question, hackputs.io has some revenue stream or not at all?
bob____: yes, occassionally they steal all their customers money (hehe)
dub: the oxcoin model
kakobrekla: aha not very viable then
dub: er ozcoin
kakobrekla: wasdat?
pankkake: yes, offchain fees. they always charge 0.005 but often use less
dub: "getting hacked"
kakobrekla: a rite.
VanCleef: hello
VanCleef: i believe this has been fufilled
VanCleef: http://bitbet.us/bet/554/bitfunder-will-close-before-july-of-2014/
ozbot: BitBet - BitFunder will close before July of 2014
pankkake: so who are you going to troll now?
VanCleef: well my bitfunder contract is up
VanCleef: trolled that to death
VanCleef: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=130117.msg3482565#msg3
ozbot: [BitFunder] Asset Exchange Marketplace + Rewritable Options Trading
VanCleef: plz resolve bet
jurov: VanCleef: they don't resolve bets so quickly, take a pill and calm down
VanCleef: no probs i'm not stressing
VanCleef: just letting bitbet know
b0n1: why did bitfunder close?
dub: it got AIDS
kakobrekla: and stingrays
jurov: yea, it got IDs
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 17 @ 0.0072599 = 0.1234 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 67 @ 0.007254 = 0.486 BTC [-]
bob____: jurov, any early signals on the lower coinbr fees? is the world beating down your door?
jurov: so far mostly namworld's passthrough survivors
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.731 BTC [-]
bob____: a decent amount of them keep the funds with you?
jurov: you mean the assets, yes
Namworld: coinbr might get more business soon
bob____: that's good to hear. more potential volume for mpex.
Namworld: For other reasons not yet to be disclosed
bob____: obviously you are talking about the upcoming logo redesign. we already know about it.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.731 BTC [-]
Namworld: No...
jurov: of course. and transfers/options/notification functions are also in pipeline
Namworld: I wasn't talking about that either
dub: what about a funding round to produce a coinbr t-shirt
jurov: rly, you want some?
jurov: and mugs! i shall ask eskimobob to make coinbr and mpex mugs :DDDD
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.73005 = 1.4601 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.73 BTC [-]
jurov: but such exclusive stuff is reserved for bildercoin meetings in timisoara, you can now register at 50% discount ;)
kakobrekla: did ya vip up yet?
bob____: i hear the bitcoin bubble has caused mass inflation in timisoara
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.72200033 = 2.166 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.721001 = 3.605 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 744 @ 0.00700328 = 5.2104 BTC [-] {7}
jurov: Just applied as vip.
kakobrekla: aha its cheaper now
kakobrekla: i want 2 bottles of champagne now
kakobrekla: and one should be red.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 300 @ 0.00109001 = 0.327 BTC [-]
pankkake: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-11-04/twitters-pre-ipo-euphoria-so-deja-book thank god for regulated security exchanges!
ozbot: Twitter's Pre-IPO Euphoria: So Deja Book | Zero Hedge
pankkake: http://youtu.be/A3BHujm3cpY
kakobrekla: http://bitcoinity.org/markets/list?currency=ALL&span=3d
ozbot: Bitcoinity.org
kakobrekla: china will grow larger
ThickAsThieves: this Google doodle is the most distracting ever
ThickAsThieves: i usually barely notice them
jurov: btchina still without fees?
Apocalyptic: would like to know as well
bob____: seems to indicate its 0 fee..
bob____: https://vip.btcchina.com/about/index/page/fee
kakobrekla: nice translations lol
saulimus: yeah, real professional
kakobrekla: im skeptical they have 1/3 of the volume
Jere_Jones: pankkake: Awesome youtube link!
pankkake: one of the women say "leader of the free world". lel
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 100 @ 0.00109001 = 0.109 BTC [-]
Namworld: My heater's plug was almost on fire... Noticed it was corroded, sanded it, no more problems. I don't want to freeze, but a fire is a bit too much.