tmsr - Log 2017-03-03

ben_vulpes: > I guess and I don't bother to check, so check it yourself

ben_vulpes: nope and nope.

asciilifeform: in other lulz, http://www.qsl.net/k/k0ff//old%20files/1C%20Working%20Copy/yyy/

deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5134FB86F39E49F32E728CE8F77F4767707BF27E853C9237FBC4323D63AFE9C1 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1156...8047 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '178.254.50.147 (ssh-rsa key from 178.254.50.147 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (kachelofen-profis.de. DE)

deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5134FB86F39E49F32E728CE8F77F4767707BF27E853C9237FBC4323D63AFE9C1 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1047...4447 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '178.254.50.147 (ssh-rsa key from 178.254.50.147 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (kachelofen-profis.de. DE)

mircea_popescu: http://www.qsl.net/k/k0ff//old%20files/1C%20Working%20Copy/yyy/Cyclotron/TR%2030%20Cyclotron.htm << therer's something for alf

mircea_popescu: looks like it might fit a double garage / yacht barn

mircea_popescu: proven reliability and windows 2000

ben_vulpes: > TR 30 uses the familiar Windows 2000 operating system with graphical representations of the entire radiochemical process

deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2017/03/02/wasting-time/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Wasting time.

asciilifeform: meanwhile, in monkeystan, https://southfront.org/steam-store-removes-syrian-warfare-game-because-its-too-pro-russian

deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/BB6C3A426BFB76932E8872E99E2D52B9D8DD7824FF6B1CE792294B78B122AD0C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1772...6483 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '218.189.190.58 (ssh-rsa key from 218.189.190.58 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown HK)

deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/BB6C3A426BFB76932E8872E99E2D52B9D8DD7824FF6B1CE792294B78B122AD0C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1400...9707 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '218.189.190.58 (ssh-rsa key from 218.189.190.58 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown HK)

mircea_popescu: where "too pro russian" means about the same as "too pornographic" : there's ANY item where the eternally losing side irl fails to win in fantasy.

asciilifeform: approx

asciilifeform: linked mainly for the 'bitlove' approach

asciilifeform: or what was it called, that derp

asciilifeform: ( here , role was played by 'czech co' )

shinohai: http://mimisbrunnr.cascadianhacker.com/blocks/455450 <<< Boy does ViaBTC love mining dem empty blocks

shinohai: !!up john_cocktail

deedbot: john_cocktail voiced for 30 minutes.

asciilifeform: lol , 'fee market' aha.

shinohai: Bitcoin Unlimited gonna fix all our problemz with "Parallel Validation" http://archive.is/664nt

john_cocktail: lel

asciilifeform: shinohai: lel, 'sibling blocks'

asciilifeform: and, mega-unsurprise, 0 mention of the actual bottleneck (db)

john_cocktail: who cares if takes a day to validate a block?

asciilifeform: betcha mircea_popescu had nfi that there could be such a thing as 'sibling blocks' !111

asciilifeform: john_cocktail: recall how difficulty is derived ?

trinque: asciilifeform: so you disagree with the diminishing block reward, or what?

asciilifeform: trinque: no, consider what happens ( in bitcoin ) if block takes longer to verify than to produce .

asciilifeform: consistently.

trinque: I'm only commenting that it's factual that fees have been increasing for years

asciilifeform: trinque: it is true! but at the same time they mine empty blocks, and blocks full of free-tx..

trinque: dunno that it's the same "they". folks gunning for idiocies like "unlimited" might be mining empty blocks for political reasons

asciilifeform: what i'd like to learn is, whether fee-per-ullage-byte has moved. and in what direction.

asciilifeform: (i.e. fee earner by miners per available byte of space . )

shinohai: trinque: that is precisely why ViaBTC does it.

trinque: ah, idiots.

asciilifeform: trinque: the full blox are also full 'for political reasons' ( usg spamolade )

asciilifeform: quite likely why the old-coins-move-for-free thing still exists.

trinque: having watched deedbot transactions for quite a while, I can at least say that once 0.001 fee confirmed almost immediately

trinque: now it's looking like I'll need at least 0.0015 to 0.002 to get in

trinque: asciilifeform: that rule is certainly idiotic, "coin age" wtf

shinohai: Use the sooper-dooper tx accelerator ! https://www.viabtc.com/tools/txaccelerator/

asciilifeform: trinque: if blocks were crowded on account of actual people, the free tx thing would be a distant memory

asciilifeform: as would the empties.

trinque: hm. no, I see your point. the "market" being mostly determined by malefactors burning govt funding.

trinque: though while difficulty increases (and block size stays the same) I don't see how even these will not be forced into paying higher fees.

trinque: shinohai: lol wtf is this

trinque: I can beg my way into one of their "unlimited" blocks?

asciilifeform: trinque: they are paying, mainly, into own pockets

shinohai: Their diatribe under the "Service Statement" is lulzy

asciilifeform: ( the cost, to the attacker pools, of tape-painting tx, is supposed to be 'they forgo fees from actual people', but there is very little pressure from actual-people. ergo this 'cost' is ~0, i suspect. )

asciilifeform: the conclusion asciilifeform draws from the continued existence of emptyblox and oldcoinfreetxen is 'most tx are usg-authored spamola'. other folx - can draw other conclusions, if they want.

asciilifeform: i still remember when blox moved from ~200kB to ~full-but-often-null in ~day. and stayed there.

asciilifeform: but we're expected to believe that it was simply martians taking a sudden liking to bitcoin that one day, aha.

asciilifeform: ( that day and since ! )

deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/97BFAA99282B3EA718AA6A383643A27E4D4644E31FF26A2AC46242BE6AF3D41D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1643...9199 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '89.200.170.201 (ssh-rsa key from 89.200.170.201 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown DE)

deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/97BFAA99282B3EA718AA6A383643A27E4D4644E31FF26A2AC46242BE6AF3D41D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1745...6759 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '89.200.170.201 (ssh-rsa key from 89.200.170.201 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown DE)

deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/776EEEE0F58AAB3BD6BCD82FF57A8837958B50CCCBE92F530D3962AD1C97F021 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1651...6077 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '92.243.8.98 (ssh-rsa key from 92.243.8.98 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (xvm-8-98.ghst.net. FR)

deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/776EEEE0F58AAB3BD6BCD82FF57A8837958B50CCCBE92F530D3962AD1C97F021 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1781...4887 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '92.243.8.98 (ssh-rsa key from 92.243.8.98 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (xvm-8-98.ghst.net. FR)

thestringpuller: snapchat surges 44% and they call facebook a bubble. for anyone calling for baby boomers to be sent to gitmo, I'd rather send the millennials first.

thestringpuller: called*

mircea_popescu: trinque> hm. no, I see your point. the "market" being mostly determined by malefactors burning govt funding. << sadly the ONLY pill to this is an end to "humanism" and thereby "our democracy" resulting in mass poverty, not mass consumerism.

mircea_popescu: because for as long as the chicken brained have a dollar, they will pool that dollar to get shit like britney spears on the air. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: for very strictly the reason that "patriotism", ie http://trilema.com/2014/the-death-of-taxes/#selection-189.0-189.233

mircea_popescu: so it'll be a while.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> but we're expected to believe that it was simply martians taking a sudden liking to bitcoin that one day, aha. << this is not at all incredible. on the contrary. most people who liked a cult hit band "can still remember the day last week when it was just me and that guy with the weird nose at the concerts, now look around".

mircea_popescu: this is EXACTLY how popularity works in "ourdemocracy" flat societies.

shinohai: !~ticker --market all

jhvh1: shinohai: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1286.36, vol: 9017.32619933 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1263.661, vol: 10114.64726 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1289.7, vol: 32271.81570078 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 1207.7415, vol: 10316.74800000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1282.66, vol: 3666.02696802 | Volume-weighted last average: 1271.88522099

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-03#1621436 << the chickens ain't txing. no moar so today than in '11. ☝︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2017-03-03 11:41 mircea_popescu: because for as long as the chicken brained have a dollar, they will pool that dollar to get shit like britney spears on the air.

asciilifeform: chickens move imaginary coinz between goxes. ☟︎

asciilifeform: in very other lulzies, https://archive.is/on8dl >> 'Obama holdover David Laufman is the source of the national security leaks, Cernovich Media can exclusively report. David Laufman, Chief of Counterintelligence, has all classified information regarding espionage pass by his desk. ... Laufman, who had donated to Obama’s presidential campaign fund in past election cycles, was the DOJ official who investigated Hillary Clinton in what

asciilifeform: was promised to be an independent investigation. How an Obama donor could be trusted to investigate Obama’s heir apparent was never explored by the fake news media. Even worse is that as Chief of Counterintelligence, Laufman has the power to kill any investigations into leaks, a power he has been exercising.'

asciilifeform: !$ ssh 178.254.50.147 218.189.190.58 89.200.170.201 92.243.8.98

scriba: ssh banner of 178.254.50.147 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.3p2 Debian-3

scriba: ssh banner of 218.189.190.58 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.3p2 Debian-9

scriba: ssh banner of 89.200.170.201 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.3p2 Debian-9

scriba: ssh banner of 92.243.8.98 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.6p1 Debian-5ubuntu0.1

asciilifeform: lel

shinohai: https://twitter.com/AssStar_0_/status/779926185140690944/photo/1 <<< Novel vending machine

asciilifeform: 'Then-Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.) spoke twice last year with Russia’s ambassador to the United States, Justice Department officials said, encounters he did not disclose when asked about possible contacts between members of President Trump’s campaign and representatives of Moscow during Sessions’s confirmation hearing to become attorney general.'

asciilifeform: so now they're flynning him also. ☟︎

asciilifeform: 'officials said'

phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-02#1621348 << curl https://kukuruku.co/post/the-collapse-of-the-unix-philosophy/|tr 'A-Z' 'a-z'|awk 'BEGIN{RS=" "} /json/{print $0}'|wc -l ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-03-02 23:02 asciilifeform: in other lulz, https://kukuruku.co/post/the-collapse-of-the-unix-philosophy

phf: outputs 14. ahokthen

asciilifeform: lul

shinohai: xD

shinohai: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C56eQxsXEAEdOmh.jpg <<< This is just too goddamned funny

phf: ihttp://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-01#1620670 << i've had similar experience before. girl does that "can i be an extra person in your tribe" thing, hovering, circling, eyeing. so me and my girl will approach, just for the girl to run away in panic. we call it gazel hunting. i've noticed the more "selling it" girl looks, the more likely she's to panic when approached by guy AND girl. incidently i don't know any strippers who look like strippers off work. but i've m ☝︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2017-03-01 19:41 deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/the-story-of-the-scared-slut/ << Trilema - The Story of the scared slut.

phf: ..but i've met plenty of dumb girls who dress like one, because i suppose that's how they attract dat dream guy from a porn video. the miami bouncer dude.

BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all

jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1271.48, vol: 9362.60194916 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1258.226, vol: 9424.34185 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1280.2, vol: 31000.37504954 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 1200.3071, vol: 10952.01210000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1271.07, vol: 3600.87487346 | Volume-weighted last average: 1261.60204315

phf: in unrelated lulz, i decided to use airbnb, and got fucked on the first transaction

asciilifeform: phf: paid but no room ? or rat-infested pit ? or which

phf: host listed a price, and after confirmation informed that i'm only getting half of what i asked for ("oh it's one bed per one room, you need to purchase another room to get second bed")

phf: so i canceled, but of course airbnb eats the "service fees". getting them to refund service fees is impossible. ticket stuck in support limbo for past 5 days.

asciilifeform: the classical 'kickstarter' business model -- 'hey, it ain't ~us~ defrauding you, it's this stable of monkeys over there, you agreed to trust them'

phf: aye

phf: and host listed just a handful of dollars below budget hotel option for the area, so clearly knew what she was doing ☟︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-03#1621464 << lel, this happens to asciilifeform/pet regularly. i think of it as 'yes there are fast neutrons wherever you are, but go and extract useful energy from'em' ☝︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2017-03-03 16:27 phf: ihttp://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-01#1620670 << i've had similar experience before. girl does that "can i be an extra person in your tribe" thing, hovering, circling, eyeing. so me and my girl will approach, just for the girl to run away in panic. we call it gazel hunting. i've noticed the more "selling it" girl looks, the more likely she's to panic when approached by guy AND girl. incidently i don't know any strippers who look like strippers off work. but i've m

phf: http://www.tedunangst.com/flak/post/shrt-nms-fr-clrty is also ranting re "meaningful unix names" and "intuitive for new users"

asciilifeform: ( speaking of which, i finally score a thallium-doped cesium iodide scintillator pre-bonded to big fat photodiode. finally can read spectra. )

asciilifeform: phf: subvariant of the 'why does emacs not use ibm's standard keystrokes!!' people.

asciilifeform: 'why do you dumb orcs not simply speak the king's english'

deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/03/a-very-special-news-roundup-xtend-sweden-conscripts-media-turns-to-praise-trump-while-knifing-cabinet-foreign-influence-in-french-election-overt/ << Qntra - A Very Special News Roundup Xtend: Sweden Conscripts, Media Turns To Praise Trump While Knifing Cabinet, Foreign Influence In French Election Overt

phf: "lispjobs" that's traditionally a place, where one posts rare and meaty common lisp and sometimes scheme jobs is now full of clojure work. last one is "clojure and clojurescript web developer"

asciilifeform: phf: only now?!

asciilifeform: i thought the plague came in '09 and never left.

phf: well, it's been the case for about two years now, but that's the first time i put it in logs :>

asciilifeform: dunno that i've ever seen such a thing as a 'common lisp or scheme job' advertised publicly.

phf: huh, you're right, 2009-12 is 3 clojure to 4 common lisp

phf: in fact one of those is https://lispjobs.wordpress.com/2009/12/02/first-clojure-job-posting-ft-lauderdale-usa/

phf: catching up with rss and some of the log linked articles is literally like taking a bath of shit. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-03#1621443 that's trivially disproven, eg by http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-27#1619097 ☝︎☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-03-03 13:20 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-03#1621436 << the chickens ain't txing. no moar so today than in '11.

a111: Logged on 2017-02-27 16:27 shinohai: https://twitter.com/crainbf/status/836170461016903680

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: twatter lament re 'oh noez blox soo crowded' is disproof nao ?

asciilifeform: seems trivially filipinoizable.

trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-03#1621445 << this made no sense whatsoever ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-03-03 13:21 asciilifeform: chickens move imaginary coinz between goxes.

trinque: they at least do the transfers between goxes on chain

trinque: no, the conspiracy goes to 11!1!11!!

asciilifeform: trinque: i mean to say, moving, e.g., btc-e balances from eth to ltc and back etc.

asciilifeform: and similar.

trinque: sure, that.

trinque: though honestly, where's the LIGHTNING TRANSFER announcement, whereby the various exchanges link up for "faster transfers between exchanges"

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform guy did in fact buy his pair of sneakers or w/e, 25 bux

mircea_popescu: trinque you old enough to recall mtgox dollars ?

asciilifeform: trinque: i must confess, i have not been keeping up with the fauxcoinz

trinque: mircea_popescu: when people were selling their balances at a discount towards the end?

asciilifeform: ( https://blockchain.info/tx/5da9e054f81716ff54fefa10fae3c025685faf5170d1b270b3384a3406d781e0 << typical example of tx spamola, in recent few blox. and yes i'd rather link to mimisbrunnr but it does not seem to have linkable tx knob presently. ) ☟︎

mircea_popescu: phf the stripper offwork thing is a toss-up i guess. it depends a lot on the environment or something ; i've known both kinds, ie "girl next door by day champion stripper by night" as well as "stripping is my whole life and my car plates read TITTY"

mircea_popescu: trinque no, early on you could buy mtgox-issued dollar certs, they'd honor them.

mircea_popescu: people did a lot of "i'll send you mtgoxdollars"

trinque: hilarious

trinque: never an original bad idea

mircea_popescu: BACK THEN the pretense to "we are bitcoin revolutionz blabla" could be maintained. and strictly for such reasons.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-03#1621456 << trump side is leaking names, i expect it's a lot more likely "career civil servants" will start geting foreclosing notices. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-03-03 15:35 asciilifeform: so now they're flynning him also.

Framedragger: heh i recall buying some electronics at ccc in hamburg by doing a live transfer from mtgox. those were the funny days

trinque: asciilifeform: entirely likely trump canned flynn because he lied to him, and nothing more.

trinque: fine opportunity to use his as an example. low value guy, non-essential. public flogging.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-03#1621475 <<-->> http://btcbase.org/log/2015-11-08#1320298 "she". what fucking she. the notion that ~people~ use airbnb is exactly like the notion that "groupon was a consumer revolution". ☝︎☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-03-03 17:02 phf: and host listed just a handful of dollars below budget hotel option for the area, so clearly knew what she was doing

a111: Logged on 2015-11-08 23:08 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes match.com, plenty of fish, okcupid tinder and the rest of the lesser known implementations of the social media dating scam are all owned by iac.

mircea_popescu: dude... if the thing existed... WHERE DID IT GO ?!?!?!

mircea_popescu: somehow this question never gets asked, "facebook spent 50bn to buy... users." ok... if they bought them where are they ?

mircea_popescu: 100% dead souls bidnis.

mircea_popescu: trinque that was ~my read also

trinque: aha. the guy's own face read expendable

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-03#1621476 << i'm mindblown at the notion that you actually approach women. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-03-03 17:05 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-03#1621464 << lel, this happens to asciilifeform/pet regularly. i think of it as 'yes there are fast neutrons wherever you are, but go and extract useful energy from'em'

BingoBoingo: Everyone needs a hobby

asciilifeform: in other veryolds, 'It is now common knowledge among computer scientists that NP-completeness is largely irrelevant to public-key cryptography...' -- ( (very sadly) Papadimitriou . 'NP-completeness: A Retrospective', 1995. http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.32.8685&rep=rep1&type=pdf )

asciilifeform: btw my year's search finally scored a hit: http://www.cs.uml.edu/~wang/acc-forum

asciilifeform: in particular, the 2nd link.

mircea_popescu: the way alf dating scene worked, at least in my imagination, was girl now and again propositions 'im then has to spend the next three hours arguing with him because "it'll never work".

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform o hey, i think that guy's actually romanian.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: papadimitriou ? i assumed -- a greek. at any rate, he wrote asciilifeform's (and probably ~everybody's) undergrad schoolb00k on complexity

mircea_popescu: a yes, right you are, greek.

mircea_popescu: lol tulpas.

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "the lamestream a fake news media appeared to be" l "a pool of 13,000 evaluation."

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-03#1621490 << coming from india, no less! ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-03-03 17:19 phf: catching up with rss and some of the log linked articles is literally like taking a bath of shit.

asciilifeform: 'An up-to-date list of research and survey articles in average complexity.' '(Date Last Modified: 12/30/03)' lel

asciilifeform: it melts my brain, that this is apparently a backwater subfield, whereas it really ought to be ~100% of cryptology

asciilifeform: took me ~year to even unearth that it ever existed.

asciilifeform: (google is 'helpful' as always)

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i read 'approach' phf's observation literally, as in 'walk up to'

mircea_popescu: ah

mircea_popescu: i read it lingually, as in http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/take-it-all-560x874.jpg

asciilifeform: btw when i first saw ^ photo i parsed it as a wtf, because of the peculiar position of the ballsack, it looked as if it could be a hyena-like concave proboscis, holding a dildo

mircea_popescu: yep. great pic, for that reason

asciilifeform: 'who/whom ?'

BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: ty fxd

deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/03/another-guest-lecturer-attacked-on-us-campus/ << Qntra - Another Guest Lecturer Attacked On US Campus

mircea_popescu: 151288920022 Mar 3 18:37 debug.log

mircea_popescu: in other lulz, i found a trb node which is locked on block 419373 and dumps all blocks as unacceptable bastards

mircea_popescu: resulting in a 150gb debug.log

BingoBoingo: Fat pig of a log

BingoBoingo: !!up grubles

deedbot: grubles voiced for 30 minutes.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: was it built with spitblock ? can you get it to spit out , say, 419300 ... 419373 ?

mircea_popescu: was not, it's an older trb.

asciilifeform: uhoh

asciilifeform: see, http://btcbase.org/patches , where 'dumpblock' is ☟︎

asciilifeform: what ELSE doesn't it have ??

asciilifeform: does it still, for instance, have orphanages ?! because that ain't really modern trb, in any real sense

asciilifeform: that'd be just 0.5.3prb...

asciilifeform: at any rate plz don't lose that thing's blockchain, mircea_popescu , can use my 'blkcut' or ben_vulpes's ver of same, to get at the blox

asciilifeform: would be quite interesting to learn what it thinks 419373 was.

mircea_popescu: do you want the last block.dat or such ?

asciilifeform: would work.

mircea_popescu: aite a sec.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://qntra.net/blk0036.dat ☟︎

asciilifeform: sha512?

mircea_popescu: 2a8a1884fa895d6fbc044d64af047fda1ad90728333f5646339b96bc9c1e5ef1f1f4bbd16eff527b90acfae19478727d8504c1f32930cb2cab64e29cfecec2e9

asciilifeform: ty

asciilifeform: in other wtf, http://www.cat-tube.ru/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/3627088.jpeg

asciilifeform: ^ i suspect this beast, if not a piltdown man, was made using the method described by lomachinsky , with the old radioprotective drug that causes gigantism in mammal

BingoBoingo: Big Kitty!

deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/03/fake-news-figure-arrested-for-string-of-anti-semetic-threats/ << Qntra - Fake News Figure Arrested For String Of Anti Semetic Threats

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://qntra.net/dlog.txt << last 1k lines of log.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i found ~a~ wtf ...

mircea_popescu: anyway, at the time i turned it off it was widely connected, and spamming the debug log 10lines/sec sort of rate

mircea_popescu: but basically it chokes on A WHOLE SET of txn

Framedragger: mircea_popescu: (you may be aware of this but just in case - given tmsr's preference for keccak, fyi your sha512 above uses sha-2, not sha-3)

mircea_popescu: Framedragger yeah ; just using linux standard item, we've not specifically migrated as of yet

Framedragger: right right :)

asciilifeform: http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/wtf/zoolag_blk0036.txt ;

asciilifeform: http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/wtf/mp_blk0036.txt

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform we're mismatched, my 0 is offest 125 in yours

asciilifeform: this i know

mircea_popescu: this happens because of orphans ; we discussed it re flat chains yest etc

asciilifeform: aha

mircea_popescu: ah

asciilifeform: now watch:

asciilifeform: cut -d' ' -f1 mp_blk0036.txt | sort | uniq > mp_u.txt

asciilifeform: (unique hashes of mp's)

mircea_popescu: well your blk0036 would be full, mine's about 90% full

asciilifeform: cut -d' ' -f1 zoolag_blk0036.txt | sort | uniq > zoolag_u.txt

mircea_popescu: it being the last blk

asciilifeform: and yes mine's full

asciilifeform: but your-last isn't, it seems, mine-any.

mircea_popescu: so node got stuck on orphan.

mircea_popescu: and you never heard that orphan.

asciilifeform: not just one.

asciilifeform: you're at least 10 deep, looks like ?

mircea_popescu: and inasmuch as node wasn't capable of extracting itself naturally, and it IS a trb node, this qualifies as successful attack against network, by and large.

asciilifeform: ruled out connectivity as culprit ?

asciilifeform: (if it wedges and never speaks to honest node again, it'll stay wedged, noshit.jpg)

asciilifeform: diff zoolag_u.txt mp_u.txt | grep '^>' | sed 's/^>\ //' > mp_but_not_zoolag.txt

asciilifeform: and, unsurprisingly,

asciilifeform: diff mp_u.txt zoolag_u.txt | grep '^>' | sed 's/^>\ //' > zoolag_but_not_mp.txt

mircea_popescu: node was well connected throughout.

mircea_popescu: if you want to trace specific peers i can grep the monster debug i guess

asciilifeform: 1sec, let's finish the earlier escapade :

asciilifeform: grep -wFf mp_but_not_zoolag.txt mp_blk0036.txt > what_mp_had_and_dulap_didnt.txt

asciilifeform: now for the money shot:

asciilifeform: http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/wtf/what_mp_had_and_dulap_didnt.txt

asciilifeform: 2430..2431 we'll ignore, that looks like an orphanlet

mircea_popescu: 84 long ?

asciilifeform: but now 2502 .. 2584 !

asciilifeform: aha!

mircea_popescu: say, did you look in your blk37 also ?

mircea_popescu: it ~could~ end up in there.

asciilifeform: 1s

mircea_popescu: (note that one of these is about 2.5k blocks long, like 2 weeks ish)

asciilifeform: aaaalmost done..

asciilifeform: ooook this is interesting

asciilifeform: my 37 contains contains all 84.

asciilifeform: *contains all 84

asciilifeform: so looks like zoolag (and dulap, and everybody) reorged, but mircea_popescu's node didn't

asciilifeform: i am left with 0 clue re why.

asciilifeform: http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/wtf/zoolag_blk0037.txt << uploaded for completeness/replicability.

asciilifeform: other folx invited to submit their own...

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the log from mircea_popescu's node unsurprisingly sheds 0 light.

asciilifeform: what_mp_had_and_dulap_didnt.txt << GRRRR ought to read 'zulag didn't'

asciilifeform: i have RENAMED THE FILE !11

asciilifeform: http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/wtf/what_mp_had_and_zoolag_didnt.txt << new link, for posterity.

asciilifeform bbl.

asciilifeform: https://archive.is/iqUhn << in other noose. << i dun think i've ever seen such compact one. and certainly not for sale 'to humans'.

asciilifeform: ^ BingoBoingo and other t00lz collectors.

asciilifeform: oh and, unrelated, BingoBoingo : http://qntra.net/2017/03/fake-news-figure-arrested-for-string-of-anti-semetic-threats/#comment-88670

Framedragger: BingoBoingo: s/semetic/semitic/g :p

Framedragger: (unless 'twas intended)

jurov: heh with BingoBoingo one never knows :)

jurov: and btw mircea_popescu have you pushed qntra stuff?

jurov: https://people.redhat.com/duffy/selinux/selinux-coloring-book_A4-Stapled.pdf << what do redhat devs do

asciilifeform: holyfuq nightmare fuel

ben_vulpes: i have no idea what goes on in these certificate program scams but i can't imagine not leaving if someone actually put a coloring book in front of me

mircea_popescu: jurov haven't published qntra report yet, no.

mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20170303/#268 << i have nfi either, but it ~looks~ like it did not believe A NUMBER OF txn from the root of the reorg are validable.

scriba: Logged on 2017-03-03: [19:52:58] <asciilifeform> i am left with 0 clue re why.

pete_dushenski: spooky

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what leads you to this hypothesis ?

mircea_popescu: that the log essentially consists of complaints that txn can't be validated and so the block can't be added.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: everybody's log consists of multiple GB of 'tx cannot be validated.'

asciilifeform: these eggogs refer to mempool tx

mircea_popescu: not 150gb theree3of.

asciilifeform: i have a 80+GB log of mainly that.

asciilifeform: and before it, a 100+, etc.

mircea_popescu: well, looks. what can i say.

asciilifeform: there is a much simpler, though disheartening, explanation

mircea_popescu: i've looked at the block specifically, i can't figure out why it would say such a thing myself.

asciilifeform: trb's block push/pull mechanism is so retarded, that it is possible for a node to go for eons in a wedge, simply from never receiving the necessary unwedge blocks.

mircea_popescu: 40k blocks ? i dun see it.

asciilifeform: well it keeps asking for 419374, and getting 'wrong' one.

asciilifeform: the real puzzler is why not reorgs.

asciilifeform: here's a q: what happens if two forklets are tied in PoW ?

mircea_popescu: pow is a "double"

asciilifeform: hey i did not say that this situation is likely to happen by chance.

asciilifeform: q was, 'what happens'.

asciilifeform: because, http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp?v=makefiles#1212 >> as i currently understand it, in this case, reorg does not fire.

asciilifeform: upstack: the sad thing is, i am not even equipped to answer whether 419373 was part of an orphanable forklet on mircea_popescu's node ; and if so, when orphaned at large

mircea_popescu: afaik reorg fires by block length. eventually -- would.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's a major part of the problem, everything can appear as orphans to a portion of the network only.

asciilifeform: what i meant is, i specifically do not have the most basic means of answering the most basic questions about the blocks, other than their bitwise identities as pictured earlier

asciilifeform: and this is serious headache

asciilifeform: didn't ben_vulpes ( or trinque ? ) write a block debugger ?

asciilifeform: gotta at least be able to draw the motherfucking tree

asciilifeform: incidentally trb probably ought to shit a sha512 of incoming block into the debug log

asciilifeform: then we would, for instance, know , what mircea_popescu's node heard, and when

asciilifeform: right now we only have satoshi's header idiocy

pete_dushenski: http://cascadianhacker.com/21_a-tour-of-bitcoind-booting-to-its-first-thread << this ? pngs are broken tho

asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: this in re which ?

pete_dushenski: debugger

ben_vulpes: baww fuq

asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i don't see a block debugger in there

asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: block debugger would be like my 'blkcut', except for ~block~, as output by blkcut, would display header, transactions, etc.

ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: that piece was stuffed full of 'gdb', 'gnu debugger' screenshots

asciilifeform: entirely not connected with this thread, pete_dushenski

asciilifeform: ( i naively supposed that meaning of 'block debugger' is obvious to reader )

ben_vulpes: such naivte

pete_dushenski: apparently i dun get it

asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: consider reading today's log

asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu showed up with a bag of clues from a trb node that wedged some weeks ago. so now autopsy.

pete_dushenski: oh i got that, just not sure which block debugger you thought you remembered seeing and wherefrom

pete_dushenski back to diggin on ch

asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: somebody, iirc it was ben_vulpes , wrote a thing that actually parses blox

pete_dushenski: that rings a bell ya

asciilifeform: y'know, which then turned into mimisbrunnr

pete_dushenski: http://cascadianhacker.com/extracting-and-hashing-bitcoin-block-headers ?

asciilifeform: possibly it, but plus a bunch of moving parts which may or may not have been yet published?

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes ^ ?

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: grep your log for reorg. when was last reorg ?

pete_dushenski: in other measurement strange, https://www.cnet.com/news/icon-smart-condom-ring/?ftag=COS-05-10aaa0b&linkId=35064659

ben_vulpes: yes yes?

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: didja ever publish your block parser ?

ben_vulpes: not in toto, no

asciilifeform: i could really use one...

ben_vulpes: it doesn't do too much, depends on blocks having been dumped via dumpblock.

asciilifeform: (well rather, mircea_popescu could really use one. but he probably doesn't have the runtime readily set up)

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: we have just such blocks

ben_vulpes: i'd be happy to send you any relevant bits, let me package up what i have for you

asciilifeform: actually

asciilifeform: why not ben_vulpes blkcut mircea_popescu's 0036

asciilifeform: sadly asciilifeform is tied up doing a chore atm

mircea_popescu: dude why can't he do whatever it is he's doing lol ; i did publish the thing.

ben_vulpes: aye, let me find the log line

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-03#1621572 ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-03-03 19:09 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://qntra.net/blk0036.dat

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lol it isn't as if i had 'go and do it or voodoo curse!1!'

ben_vulpes: tape has since self-destructed?

asciilifeform: waiwat

ben_vulpes: 0036.dat also implies a trb .dat file, not a dumpblocked file? happy to crack it open and see though

ben_vulpes: > page not found

mircea_popescu: gah.

mircea_popescu: yeah seems it got eaten meanwhile. a sec ima re-move it.

mircea_popescu: gotta stay on top of logs!111

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: it blkcut's great. and you should get http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/wtf/mp_blk0036.txt checksums.

ben_vulpes: aye aye

mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes now.

ben_vulpes: same url?

mircea_popescu: ye

ben_vulpes: hm

ben_vulpes: > 404

mircea_popescu: eh da fuck

ben_vulpes wouldn't know

mircea_popescu: wrong permissions ; try now.

ben_vulpes: aya, give me a few

mircea_popescu: jurov nao done.

ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: ty, fixed

ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: what means "draw the motherfucking tree"?

mircea_popescu: the optmistic notion that the unknown may be better drawn than said.

mircea_popescu: he's a painter at heart.

asciilifeform: just means to dump the which-block-depends-on-which-blocks tree

mircea_popescu: it implies that oyu know all blocks.

asciilifeform: for given set

mircea_popescu: all blocks.

asciilifeform: tardoshi stored them in linear tape for some reason, with 0 markings

pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: nice.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: a block doesn't get to sit down in blk**** in trb unless its antecedents are present.

asciilifeform: so gaps are not a thing.

deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/qntra-sqntr-february-2017-statement/ << Trilema - Qntra (S.QNTR) February 2017 Statement

mircea_popescu: yes, but different blk sets, different seats etc.

pete_dushenski: !~bcstats

asciilifeform: well yes. hence why i said 'draw tree', i.e. list the blocks in form, e.g., b1->b2->{b2a1, b2b1->b2b2->b2b3} << in this example, b2a1 is orphanlet

ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: 0036.dat downloaded

asciilifeform: (does not need to be, obviously, literally in this form, but the same effect)

mircea_popescu: ah like that. well we pretty much have that here, it'd seem, neh ?

asciilifeform: if ben_vulpes's parser worx -- then yes

asciilifeform: we probably can haz.

ben_vulpes: it'll procure previous hash from a given block, could be taped into making a list of blocks

ben_vulpes: block of interest is last in blk0036.dat?

mircea_popescu: 419373 and thereabous

ben_vulpes: is there a straightforward mapping of height to position in blk.dat i missed?

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: no, think about it, blockchain is a tree, but the turdfile is a linear tape

mircea_popescu: prolly best search by hash

asciilifeform: it stores live and orphaned chains alike

asciilifeform: in the order they were seen

ben_vulpes: linear barring orphans

ben_vulpes: ah yes, that

ben_vulpes: in order of receipt