shinohai: thx for title, I always forget that.
shinohai: The only reason I used it was for trb private key issues, and the last time I tried to add a key it borked the entire wallet.dat.
phf: RUN MORE... oh wait now
phf: mac version of torrent client i use was compromised couple of months ago, "oops we found a ransomware, we don't know how it got there"
phf: well, no my version is like year old or so
mircea_popescu: folks who "leave autoupdate on" really weren't fucked enough.
phf: nor do i have autoupdate on anything, obviously
phf: but i wouldn't necessarily think twice when provisioning new system. i ended up provisioning this imac entirely from things i found on backup drive. that's it, i'm airgapping up in this bitch
mircea_popescu: from your own link : the only other mac thing wasn't even working.
mircea_popescu: ironically, this shit was signed with apple's whatever.
mircea_popescu: i don't see how any of this is a counter to what i said.
mircea_popescu: yes, the "strong wall" will be breached by the owners themselves. of course.
mircea_popescu: they want to live in a world of idiots. this means they can never be safe. full stop.
mircea_popescu: all the knobs that are must be ; and necessarily must be. the knobs that are not, are not ; and necessarily can't be.
phf: meta-nsa has best keys of course
mircea_popescu: i don't think you take the point, perhaps for lack of familiarity with anaximander.
mircea_popescu: in any case : the fiat world will never be secure, no matter what.
mircea_popescu: a better model would be "a zoo where the humans are scored by how many times the animals have sex with them"
mircea_popescu: the correct model, ie, the zoo, is right here. the republic is a zoo. outsiders are kept in cage.
mircea_popescu: the fiat world is not such. yes, it has the choice to either become such, in which case we won, or else keep trying to pretend no child left behind. in which case we win. etc.
mircea_popescu: in an ordinary zoo, humans are scored like in any other employment. by how often they come late, and other factors.
mircea_popescu: if it abandons that, it no longer substantively exists.
mircea_popescu: what, and if 15 yo girlie "mocks" some dude in her english class that means she's not interested ?
mircea_popescu: so yes, "walled garden". except it's not so walled as to prevent INEPT third worlder to "we are accept only bitcoin".
mircea_popescu: the bar it poses is exactly that, ~100 bucks, ie fifteen minute's labour or w/e.
mircea_popescu: similarly, in 500 years of continued derpery, nobody bombed isfahan.
mircea_popescu: but it says exactly nothing about the item being strong, it's all about the item being worthless.
mircea_popescu: basically, i've by now distilled the unifying, common principle of all our disagreements to date. it is as follows :
mircea_popescu: you use engineering valuator, which defaults to 0 and respectively maxint in certain edge cases. this comes into conflict with known floors and ceilings established through political, generally, but occasionally economical valuations.
mircea_popescu: and in any case, scheming against an enemy modelled on the basis of yourself is rather silly, seeing how if you are so similar you shouldn't be enemies in the first place.
mircea_popescu: i don't let the enemy inform my decisions by his behaviour this explicitly. you ever read the fox and bear fable ?
mircea_popescu: how'd they say in russian, "trage, trage ca de radacina tragi"
mircea_popescu: fox wakes up to the sound of peasant driving very heavy cart full of fishes from the lake. climbs in quietly, and while on its back pushes fishes off the cart with feet. then collects it up and goes home.
mircea_popescu: on way home, bear, who at the time had splendid tail, nicer than fox', asks where she got all the fishes.
mircea_popescu: fox explains that you go to lake, put tail in water, pull out full of fishes.
mircea_popescu: bear believes, proceeds. overnight the lake freezes, with his tail inside, as he pulls he thinks there's lots of fishes. breaks tail off.
mircea_popescu: seeks out fox in a rage, fox runs into a tree hole. bear can't get in, grabs a hooked branch, tries to get fox
mircea_popescu: whenever he catches on fox, fox cries out in joy "pull, pull, you're pulling on a root"
mircea_popescu: whenever he catches on root, fox goes "o noes, stop with the pulling you're killing me"
mircea_popescu: si asa a ramas ursul pacalit de vulpe [and so the bear was left tricked by the fox]
deedbot: joecool voiced for 30 minutes.
joecool: mircea_popescu: deedbot functions same as assbot did?
mircea_popescu: hey phf, can i get you to log into eulora for an hour ? i need a noob to do a bouq click to see what comes out.
phf: i don't have a eulora build on this machine
mircea_popescu: the damndest thing, the people who play it aren't noobs, and the noobs don't play it :D
phf: эх бросить всё и уехать в аргентину
mircea_popescu: punkman yeah ; too bad weaponry is moving from kinetic to fuel bomb.
☟︎ punkman: mircea_popescu: you mean the ones that ignite the oxygen around the target?
mircea_popescu: basically the problem is, that structured armor will resist 100kj in kinetic attack and melt like chocolate under 5kj of thermic attack.
punkman: "The armour is a composite sandwich, with boron carbide on the front face (a hard ceramic), followed by the metal foam, and either aluminium or kevlar on the rear face. The metal foam is made of 2mm-diameter hollow steel spheres in a stainless steel matrix." sounds expensive
mircea_popescu: might consider implementing something like that trinque just in case gribble dies one day or something.
jurov: asciilifeform: yifan.lu was overran by hn
jurov: how do you mean, why? it was just slashdotted
adlai: asciilifeform: 'asylum' of some sort, yes. it's quite a story! too long for logs, saving for the blog.
adlai: fun fact: if you 'hack' off your location broadcasting wristband, you're gonna forget it in your pocket when you leave, and have a Bad Time.
jurov: asciilifeform: looking at google cache, it's about cracking nintendo 3ds
adlai: asciilifeform: "I'm gonna walk right out the front door" (tm)
adlai: ;;later tell mircea_popescu submission for trilema movie reviews: Inside Man
☟︎ BingoBoingo: Nintendotron might be interesting to cannabalize for hardware walletotron, if only for its incredibly common plastic case.
☟︎ shinohai would love to put trb on a gameboy one day
☟︎ jurov: BingoBoingo: did you read tfa?
jurov: they explicitly point out it's overcomplicated and has thus big attack surface. so, no sane walletotron that way.
jurov: phf just an idea: if someone comes up with a completely new (or very rare) word like the w-tron above, use it to link to previous convo?
jurov: and it might actually bolster up creating good tmsr jargon
BingoBoingo: <jurov> they explicitly point out it's overcomplicated and has thus big attack surface. so, no sane walletotron that way. << I really don't mean keeping much in the way of hardware. Just a plastic case that arouses a wildly different kind of suspicion.
BingoBoingo: Well, idiot arch encourages you to tape over your webcam as an act of resignation.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform some - with shovel ; other - with trotyl. yet another - with garden!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what grunts what rifles. they "use" "mercenaries" who use them instead.
mircea_popescu: anyway, so i suppose in the "blogs that must be", we have "adlai - views from inside the insane asylum" and "phf - they have philosophy in russia even!"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> but i never had the slightest desire to own one , esp. to use for intended purpose << makes two^H^H^H all of us.
mircea_popescu: jurov> and it might actually bolster up creating good tmsr jargon << this is actually not a bad idea. something like "every word that appears exaclty once before shall be linked to that instance. every word that appears only in linked references produced by the foregoing gets linked to the previous instance."
mircea_popescu: on the theory that by now most common words appear more than once in the half gb log or w/e it is.
mircea_popescu: might need a little manual adding/substracting because obv some keywords also appear more than once, and in the future there may be false positives, but in general...
mircea_popescu: also, who was doing what so i can see the log line read in chat ? this is starting to drive me nuts. trinque ? phf ?
☟︎ phf: or perhaps just term foo or whatever command
phf: mircea_popescu: can i get autovoice for a111?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> idiots support other idiots automatically, ideologically. << they do. this is the most fascinating thing : how incredibly cultish idiocy actually is.
mircea_popescu: basically cults are an attempt to emulate idiocy in higher functioning intellects.
mircea_popescu: the reason it actually delivers useful work is specifically that idiot behaviours, as unthinking as they may be, are actually adaptive.
mircea_popescu: and a functioning console still does more work than a "correct" computer with nonfunctioning gentoo on it.
mircea_popescu: ("what do you mean it doesn't function ? yeah i didn't do anything useful with it since june last year, but I FUCKED WITH IT SIX HOURS EACH DAY SINCE!!11". )
phf: i have a reverse osmosis machine that i carry from apartment to apartment, i then drill holes in granite countertops and such. still waiting for somebody to deduct the holes out of my security deposit..
mircea_popescu: this is an exact mirror of how a different but overlapping set of societies deliberately and elaborately belames pretty girls to think "they can't do math".
mircea_popescu: it's these specific lobotomies that allow "certain kinds" of societies to function.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: so no, an inability to have friends is in no way related with intelligence in males ; just like an inability to add is not related to symmetrical facial features in females.
mircea_popescu: o neoi, alla machesthe par allaloisi menontes, o noobs, fight shield to shield and never yield
a111: Logged on 2016-04-10 15:51 mircea_popescu: also, who was doing what so i can see the log line read in chat ? this is starting to drive me nuts. trinque ? phf ?
mircea_popescu: check me out, i actually made a proper fucking english verse to translate greek!
mircea_popescu: helleniki to ro is a fucking nightmare of ages, nothing works right. NOTHING!
mircea_popescu: and ftr, just in case the kratos = power mind is strong and the verse reads "o noobs, fight shield to shield and never yield [to the enemy]", it is not. it is mide fygis aischris archete mide fovou, ""o noobs, fight shield to shield and never yield [to panic and a coward's flight]
a111: Logged on 2016-04-10 14:55 asciilifeform: ;;later tell phf can haz bookmarkable url that points to tip of the logz plox ?
phf: oh you mean so you can keep refreshing it?
phf: asciilifeform: wooord, ok
phf: asciilifeform: in a vaguely related note the way i've been reading is to click on the entry that i read last (whether it's last line or wherever in the logs) and then do refresh, which extends the log to new state, but keeps my context, something worth trying
phf: asciilifeform: yeah, on phone, you click on nick to get a link for entry
mircea_popescu: i wonder how many peeps haven't ever loaded teh logs on a phone.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> ~as if~ the most damaging thing to be lifted by attacker were picture of your face or arse ! << this is the case for about half the humans i physically interact with. think about that.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how does that preclude "most valuable" ?
mircea_popescu: but the fact remains that if anything's gonna be damaging, it'll be that and naught else./
ben_vulpes: shinohai: owncloud is a miserable piece of garbage
ben_vulpes: i started reading through it a year and a half ago when i committed to excising appleware from the house
shinohai: Someone offered me a few bits to install it on a server for them and I declined.
shinohai: Just couldn't bring myself to do it.
ben_vulpes: i am having a hard time with a republican selection of a tool written after i was born
☟︎ ben_vulpes: (phf: mega thanks for the inline loggurgitation)
ben_vulpes: simply a radical departure from surface-level form!
ben_vulpes:
https://angel.co/prismatic << 2 nerds raise ~20m to write lispalikes on the jvm. build consumer facing content curation apps. write a megatonne of highly useful, open source software. fail to pivot to enterprise once the consumer play is obviously not panning out, fold up shop.
☟︎ ben_vulpes: another footnote to asciilifeform's trope about how little software is written off-the-clock
ben_vulpes never entirely certain how much context to provide
ben_vulpes: also, still waiting for tiberius to make it into btcbase
shinohai: $rate phf 1 Keeper of the scriptorium, great work on new chan logs.
shinohai: $v 20DA8B51130031914FEB9795A6333013EBACE57B4E8B3BBBEC0206263CA918DA
deedbot: shinohai rated phf 1 << Keeper of the scriptorium, great work on new chan logs.
phf: ben_vulpes: tiberius is ancient logs?
phf: oh damn that's a lot of log
mircea_popescu: too lazy to answer, something lik... dawg, if you're too lazy to know what's going on you prolly belong banned anyway.
ben_vulpes: not that nicks mean anything i know i know
mircea_popescu: howling shit, jurov is handling his blog comment spam via www:mechanize and browser sessions ?!
mircea_popescu: i wonder what'd happen if we crossed in a thousand agars a thousand cascadianhacker blogs with a thousand explo.yt blogs.
a111: Logged on 2016-04-10 19:55 ben_vulpes: i am having a hard time with a republican selection of a tool written after i was born
a111: Logged on 2016-04-10 21:52 ben_vulpes:
https://angel.co/prismatic << 2 nerds raise ~20m to write lispalikes on the jvm. build consumer facing content curation apps. write a megatonne of highly useful, open source software. fail to pivot to enterprise once the consumer play is obviously not panning out, fold up shop.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes heh yeah she put it in there actually. pretty cool.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: ca. 2010 attempt at deep learning for content recommendation
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: trb is also a millstone, not a mill.
a111: Logged on 2016-04-10 20:17 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes put teh hard time into words.
adlai: $rate phf 2 blogged the best lisp bitcoind i've seen yet
jurov: there's lisp bitcoind?
adlai: $v DC0142B2DAA4586E0064273D20201B533A7211E182D63E039B64E54AAA307FE2
deedbot: adlai rated phf 2 << blogged the best lisp bitcoind i've seen yet
adlai: jurov: what else did you think S.LIMBS was about anyways
jurov: about limbs, haven't you seen their poster?
adlai: bitch, i am the one who posts
adlai will open a coinbr account when s.limbs delivers ipo
jurov: Now is Time, tomorrow IS glory !!1