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shinohai: BingoBoingo: http://ix.io/vIb
shinohai: ;;later tell BingoBoingo disregard msg above, this version has ref links: http://ix.io/vIc
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell ben_vulpes http://oopweb.com/Ada/Documents/AdaLinux/Volume/book.html
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ^ not barnes but very useful
BingoBoingo: ty shinohai
deedbot-: [Qntra] More Sourceforge Fail - http://qntra.net/2016/04/more-sourceforge-fail/
shinohai: thx for title, I always forget that.
asciilifeform: shinohai et al : http://qntra.net/2016/04/more-sourceforge-fail/#comment-51370
shinohai: The only reason I used it was for trb private key issues, and the last time I tried to add a key it borked the entire wallet.dat.
phf: RUN MORE... oh wait now
asciilifeform: run moar shit ya didn't read off whoreforge
asciilifeform: (serving up infected exe since, when, 2010 ?)
asciilifeform: at least.
phf: mac version of torrent client i use was compromised couple of months ago, "oops we found a ransomware, we don't know how it got there"
shinohai: You use transmission?
asciilifeform: aha, 'transmission', famous
shinohai prefers rtorrent
phf: yes
mircea_popescu: i don't get this, you installed it recently ?
phf: well, no my version is like year old or so
asciilifeform: folks who left 'autoupdate' on, got phucked
mircea_popescu: folks who "leave autoupdate on" really weren't fucked enough.
phf: nor do i have autoupdate on anything, obviously
mircea_popescu: worst scum.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: consider that the proggy ran on ~os~ with autoupdate.
mircea_popescu: heh
mircea_popescu: it exists for linux too, im sure.
asciilifeform: https://www.transmissionbt.com << l0l! appears to!
asciilifeform: http://researchcenter.paloaltonetworks.com/2016/03/new-os-x-ransomware-keranger-infected-transmission-bittorrent-client-installer << linked from, even. pretty good dissection.
asciilifeform: 'As KeRanger encrypts each file (i.e. Test.docx) starts by creating an encrypted version that uses the .encrypted extension (i.e. Test.docx.encrypted.) To encrypt each file, KeRanger starts by generating a random number (RN) and encrypts the RN with the RSA key retrieved from the C2 server using the RSA algorithm. It then ....' << L0l!1111
asciilifeform: srsly?!
asciilifeform: '... encrypts the RN with the RSA key retrieved from the C2 server ...' << !!
mircea_popescu: hey, same way gpg works.
mircea_popescu: "symmetric key"
phf: but i wouldn't necessarily think twice when provisioning new system. i ended up provisioning this imac entirely from things i found on backup drive. that's it, i'm airgapping up in this bitch
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: y'know, not ~all~ malware artists are tards. some folks have embedded key.
mircea_popescu: from your own link : the only other mac thing wasn't even working.
asciilifeform: aha.
asciilifeform: these are common, believe or not.
asciilifeform: crapware that doesn't even run.
mircea_popescu: ironically, this shit was signed with apple's whatever.
asciilifeform: (in the old days this was unheard of, because the thing needed to propagate after all.)
mircea_popescu: totally shooting the discussion re "trusted cpu".
mircea_popescu: if fucking apple can't keep its key safe...
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: signed with apple's developer cert !
asciilifeform: understand, this means that somebody cought up $100
asciilifeform: i can do right now.
asciilifeform: sign 10 times.
asciilifeform: they get revoked at the drop of a hat.
asciilifeform: just like microshit's driver signing certs.
mircea_popescu: i don't see how any of this is a counter to what i said.
asciilifeform: because this is not a precious master key
mircea_popescu: yes, the "strong wall" will be breached by the owners themselves. of course.
mircea_popescu: this is why the whole "security" shit dun work.
asciilifeform: but something their coke machine dispenses when you stick in a benjie.
mircea_popescu: not as drm, not as tpe, not as w/e.
mircea_popescu: they want to live in a world of idiots. this means they can never be safe. full stop.
asciilifeform: well the plebe-cert-signed shit doesn't get to turn ~all~ of the knobs
asciilifeform: that's how the drm prison worx
mircea_popescu: all the knobs that are must be ; and necessarily must be. the knobs that are not, are not ; and necessarily can't be.
asciilifeform: elaborate?
mircea_popescu: do you want to hear it in greek, also ?
phf: meta-nsa has best keys of course
asciilifeform: phf: meta-nsa relaxes and smokes in the corner, it doesn't need keys, sends magic udp
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: crapple app dev keys and microshit driver keys play roughly the same role in ecosystem as that cali hearing aid shop's ssl cert.
asciilifeform: i.e. they get harvested by folks lookin' to do some infectin', and revoked immediately when the news break
asciilifeform: cheap, disposable.
asciilifeform: easy come, easy go
mircea_popescu: i don't think you take the point, perhaps for lack of familiarity with anaximander.
asciilifeform: let's have it
mircea_popescu: in any case : the fiat world will never be secure, no matter what.
asciilifeform: fiat world is exactly as secure as... the zoo.
asciilifeform: yes, once in a while some critter escapes.
asciilifeform: generally, they stay on the correct side of the bars.
mircea_popescu: this is not so.
mircea_popescu: a better model would be "a zoo where the humans are scored by how many times the animals have sex with them"
asciilifeform: bit of a puzzler
asciilifeform: (who is scored in an ordinary zoo, and how? i dun follow the analogy)
mircea_popescu: the correct model, ie, the zoo, is right here. the republic is a zoo. outsiders are kept in cage.
mircea_popescu: the fiat world is not such. yes, it has the choice to either become such, in which case we won, or else keep trying to pretend no child left behind. in which case we win. etc.
mircea_popescu: in an ordinary zoo, humans are scored like in any other employment. by how often they come late, and other factors.
asciilifeform: fiat world has, what, 400 yrs. of accumulated fat, with which it carries out caligulistic nonsenses like, yes, 'child left behind'
mircea_popescu: mno.
mircea_popescu: that is definitionally its identity.
mircea_popescu: if it abandons that, it no longer substantively exists.
asciilifeform: which is ?
mircea_popescu: "no child left behind"
asciilifeform: incidentally, and perhaps mircea_popescu does not know this, but even here in the heart of mordor this phrase is a comical byword for idiocy, like nixon's plumbers
mircea_popescu: yep.
mircea_popescu: so ?
asciilifeform: but i definitely see how it handily encompasses the varied crimes of the egalitarian cult.
mircea_popescu: what, and if 15 yo girlie "mocks" some dude in her english class that means she's not interested ?
asciilifeform: no i get it.
mircea_popescu: so yes, "walled garden". except it's not so walled as to prevent INEPT third worlder to "we are accept only bitcoin".
asciilifeform: re earlier thread, here is an interesting example of strong cage - intel microcode
mircea_popescu: the bar it poses is exactly that, ~100 bucks, ie fifteen minute's labour or w/e.
asciilifeform: in 20 yrs of signed microcode patches, NOTHING leaked out, not only keys, but even the format of the payload.
mircea_popescu: similarly, in 500 years of continued derpery, nobody bombed isfahan.
asciilifeform: (key exists, legendarily, in 1 copy, in the castle of doom, etc.)
mircea_popescu: i'm sure that'll do something for the future.
mircea_popescu: but it says exactly nothing about the item being strong, it's all about the item being worthless.
asciilifeform: i disagree.
mircea_popescu: and on what basis ?
asciilifeform: not only on the obvious basis of 'can add magic instruction' but 'will reveal magic instructions that have been added in 20 yrs of nsa-supplied patches'
mircea_popescu: "isfahan could host the mother of the red heifer"
mircea_popescu: this is no basis.
mircea_popescu: basically, i've by now distilled the unifying, common principle of all our disagreements to date. it is as follows :
mircea_popescu: you use engineering valuator, which defaults to 0 and respectively maxint in certain edge cases. this comes into conflict with known floors and ceilings established through political, generally, but occasionally economical valuations.
asciilifeform: iirc i once did explain that my mental model of the enemy is myself with a negative sign.
asciilifeform: and i see this as proper, because scheming against a ~stupid~ enemy is largely a waste of time, because how to know ~exactly how stupid~ he is ?
mircea_popescu: not a matter of stupid.
asciilifeform: so the correct thing to do is to picture enemy who has thought of ~at least~ everything you can think of.
mircea_popescu: and in any case, scheming against an enemy modelled on the basis of yourself is rather silly, seeing how if you are so similar you shouldn't be enemies in the first place.
asciilifeform: not how it works
asciilifeform: different colour uniforms --> enemies.
asciilifeform: or, he has a pie, and i do not, enemies.
mircea_popescu: i dun follow.
asciilifeform: and in all cases the most similar creatures are the ones that must fight
mircea_popescu: certainly not so.
asciilifeform brb, phood
asciilifeform back
asciilifeform: re the microcode thing, i can picture mircea_popescu going on a bank heist, and, coming up against a massive safe, 'let's not bother with the dynamite, fellas, this thing surely is full of used condoms'
asciilifeform: the intel turds are ciphered and signed for a reason.
asciilifeform: (a reason that was in place as early as '97)
asciilifeform: while it is ~conceivable~ that any particular heavy safe is filled to the brim with used condoms,
asciilifeform: generally it is not why safes exist upon satan's green earth.
mircea_popescu: depends who owns the safe.
mircea_popescu: i don't let the enemy inform my decisions by his behaviour this explicitly. you ever read the fox and bear fable ?
asciilifeform: aha?
mircea_popescu: how'd they say in russian, "trage, trage ca de radacina tragi"
asciilifeform: waiwut
mircea_popescu: ah so then dunno it ? this one : http://www.neamt.ro/cmj/Creanga/Ursul_pacalit.html
mircea_popescu: ie how the bear lost its tail.
asciilifeform: ah i was thinking of aesop's
mircea_popescu: story in brief :
mircea_popescu: fox wakes up to the sound of peasant driving very heavy cart full of fishes from the lake. climbs in quietly, and while on its back pushes fishes off the cart with feet. then collects it up and goes home.
mircea_popescu: on way home, bear, who at the time had splendid tail, nicer than fox', asks where she got all the fishes.
mircea_popescu: fox explains that you go to lake, put tail in water, pull out full of fishes.
asciilifeform: ah yes i recall this!
mircea_popescu: bear believes, proceeds. overnight the lake freezes, with his tail inside, as he pulls he thinks there's lots of fishes. breaks tail off.
mircea_popescu: seeks out fox in a rage, fox runs into a tree hole. bear can't get in, grabs a hooked branch, tries to get fox
mircea_popescu: whenever he catches on fox, fox cries out in joy "pull, pull, you're pulling on a root"
mircea_popescu: whenever he catches on root, fox goes "o noes, stop with the pulling you're killing me"
mircea_popescu: si asa a ramas ursul pacalit de vulpe [and so the bear was left tricked by the fox]
asciilifeform: we definitely had this tale.
mircea_popescu: so how do you say the "pull, pull" bit ?
asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5rMKHLV6Hk << variation on this theme. with ~wolf~ instead of bear, and a number of other tweaks.
asciilifeform: мерзни, мерзни, волчий хвост !
asciilifeform: ^ iconic phrase known to every kid
asciilifeform: 'freeze, freeze, wolf's tail!111'
phf: :D
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: kinda weird tho, as wolf has tail.
asciilifeform: he was supposed to have had ~moar tail~ !111
mircea_popescu: lolk
mircea_popescu: but wolf eats fish ?
asciilifeform: this one does!11
asciilifeform: or ~would~ if he could catch!
mircea_popescu: $up joecool
deedbot: joecool voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: you can self-up cantcha ?
joecool: mircea_popescu: deedbot functions same as assbot did?
joecool: $up
mircea_popescu: yeah, pm it $up and then $v the otp
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/970c80d3-80fe-4751-8037-328901bf4f95/
joecool: I see, thank you
mircea_popescu: cheers.
mircea_popescu: hey phf, can i get you to log into eulora for an hour ? i need a noob to do a bouq click to see what comes out.
phf: i don't have a eulora build on this machine
mircea_popescu: k.
mircea_popescu: the damndest thing, the people who play it aren't noobs, and the noobs don't play it :D
mircea_popescu: who the fuck could have predicted.
deedbot-: [Trilema] Calidad de Vida, or My Days Among The Cargo Cult. - http://trilema.com/2016/calidad-de-vida-or-my-days-among-the-cargo-cult/
phf: эх бросить всё и уехать в аргентину
punkman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWmFu-_54fI
mircea_popescu: heh
mircea_popescu: punkman yeah ; too bad weaponry is moving from kinetic to fuel bomb. ☟︎
punkman: mircea_popescu: you mean the ones that ignite the oxygen around the target?
mircea_popescu: all sorts, but yeah.
mircea_popescu: basically the problem is, that structured armor will resist 100kj in kinetic attack and melt like chocolate under 5kj of thermic attack.
mircea_popescu: and there's no structural defense to that.
mircea_popescu: hence the thermobaric weapon
punkman: "The armour is a composite sandwich, with boron carbide on the front face (a hard ceramic), followed by the metal foam, and either aluminium or kevlar on the rear face. The metal foam is made of 2mm-diameter hollow steel spheres in a stainless steel matrix." sounds expensive
mircea_popescu: oya
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell diana_coman http://dpaste.com/1M6CPT3
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: in which the later tell service beats email.
mircea_popescu: might consider implementing something like that trinque just in case gribble dies one day or something.
punkman: http://yifan.lu/2016/04/06/the-3ds-cryptosystem/ ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-10#1449684 << site is down ? ☝︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-10#1449672 << of ferfuxxsake, 'First - you pillage, Then - you burn!' - didn't they teach this in your viking school!? ☝︎
asciilifeform: does mircea_popescu dig his garden with shovel, or with trotyl?
asciilifeform: why did american army in vietnam, which had thermobaric bomb in abundance (invented it, in practice) continue to use legions of grunts with ordinary rifles?
jurov: asciilifeform: yifan.lu was overran by hn
asciilifeform: any idea why?
jurov: how do you mean, why? it was just slashdotted
asciilifeform: what the linked item was
adlai: asciilifeform: 'asylum' of some sort, yes. it's quite a story! too long for logs, saving for the blog.
asciilifeform: adlai: finally out, i take it? escaped?
adlai: fun fact: if you 'hack' off your location broadcasting wristband, you're gonna forget it in your pocket when you leave, and have a Bad Time.
jurov: asciilifeform: looking at google cache, it's about cracking nintendo 3ds
asciilifeform: adlai: lulz
adlai: asciilifeform: "I'm gonna walk right out the front door" (tm)
adlai: ;;later tell mircea_popescu submission for trilema movie reviews: Inside Man ☟︎
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: jurov: ty for summary, now i can snore again, i never did and never will give a flying fuck re game consoles
asciilifeform: srsly the original drm chumpers, buying, believe, ~whole computer~ built solely to make copying the gamez harder!
asciilifeform: admittedly i find some of he '80s-'90s game machines interesting from a systems perspective, they had minimalistic iron and ran 'os-less' long into the era when x86 languished under microshit
adlai: phf, trinque: either/both of y'all may be interested in https://github.com/adlai/scalpl/commit/019c10d (specific patch, rest of repo is relevant only to archaeologists)
asciilifeform: but i never had the slightest desire to own one , esp. to use for intended purpose
BingoBoingo: Nintendotron might be interesting to cannabalize for hardware walletotron, if only for its incredibly common plastic case. ☟︎
shinohai would love to put trb on a gameboy one day ☟︎
deedbot-: [Qntra] FBI Director Comey Admits To Taping Over Webcam After Speech - http://qntra.net/2016/04/fbi-director-comey-admits-to-taping-over-webcam-after-speech/
jurov: BingoBoingo: did you read tfa?
jurov: they explicitly point out it's overcomplicated and has thus big attack surface. so, no sane walletotron that way.
jurov: phf just an idea: if someone comes up with a completely new (or very rare) word like the w-tron above, use it to link to previous convo?
jurov: and it might actually bolster up creating good tmsr jargon
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-10#1449707 << z80 had 64k addr space... ☝︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-10#1449706 << no rng ☝︎
asciilifeform: and why is the plastic case useful, i dun get it
BingoBoingo: <jurov> they explicitly point out it's overcomplicated and has thus big attack surface. so, no sane walletotron that way. << I really don't mean keeping much in the way of hardware. Just a plastic case that arouses a wildly different kind of suspicion.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2016/calidad-de-vida-or-my-days-among-the-cargo-cult/#comment-116959
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if you're playing physical camo games, why not hide the thing in old vase. in garden. up arse. etc
BingoBoingo: Well there's that.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell phf can haz bookmarkable url that points to tip of the logz plox ? ☟︎
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ('last' oughta be 'magic' and point ALWAYS to the last line at any given moment)
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-10#1449684 << finally read this. i suppose this is not a bad time to remind folks of the 'arm' cpu being a lothesome piece of shit that i have 0 desire to use for anything if it can be avoided ☝︎
asciilifeform: (it is heavily unoptimized for human consumption and arm asm is a bitch to audit)
asciilifeform: srsly the idiot archs always seem to win.
BingoBoingo: Well, idiot arch encourages you to tape over your webcam as an act of resignation.
asciilifeform: and i do not believe this to be in any reasonable sense a work of chance.
asciilifeform: idiots support other idiots automatically, ideologically.
asciilifeform: arm is ~blessed~ by hitler, much as x86 was.
asciilifeform: and as such, must die (tm).
asciilifeform: and yes, i ported trb to arm. as wartime wunderwaffen (which went nowhere.)
asciilifeform: if we turn up a bucket of cheap crays somewhere, i will port it to cray..
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: at a comp sec convention 'shmoocon' they handed out, among other souvenirs, little plastic sliding shutters for webcams
asciilifeform: pretty useless, most afflicted laptops won't properly close with the thing in
asciilifeform: for the record, web cam shutters are lame
asciilifeform: if you're pwned, you're pwned, shutter or no shutter
asciilifeform: ~as if~ the most damaging thing to be lifted by attacker were picture of your face or arse !
asciilifeform: folks post these, believe, voluntarily!
asciilifeform: microphone, i can see.
asciilifeform: but camera ?
oglafbot: http://oglaf.com/naturalcauses/
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform some - with shovel ; other - with trotyl. yet another - with garden!
mircea_popescu: adlai aite.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what grunts what rifles. they "use" "mercenaries" who use them instead.
asciilifeform: what mercenaries in vietnam ??
mircea_popescu: anyway, so i suppose in the "blogs that must be", we have "adlai - views from inside the insane asylum" and "phf - they have philosophy in russia even!"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> but i never had the slightest desire to own one , esp. to use for intended purpose << makes two^H^H^H all of us.
mircea_popescu: wasn't vietnam right during arab fuel crisis ? :D
asciilifeform: the surrender, was!
asciilifeform: mega-coincidence, aha.
mircea_popescu: jurov> and it might actually bolster up creating good tmsr jargon << this is actually not a bad idea. something like "every word that appears exaclty once before shall be linked to that instance. every word that appears only in linked references produced by the foregoing gets linked to the previous instance."
mircea_popescu: on the theory that by now most common words appear more than once in the half gb log or w/e it is.
asciilifeform: i suspect that almost all cases will be misspellings
mircea_popescu: might need a little manual adding/substracting because obv some keywords also appear more than once, and in the future there may be false positives, but in general...
mircea_popescu: maybe add a "a111 nuke misppealing" command for a111
mircea_popescu: which removes "misppealing" from the list
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform answer't your comment btw
mircea_popescu: also, who was doing what so i can see the log line read in chat ? this is starting to drive me nuts. trinque ? phf ? ☟︎
asciilifeform: ^
phf: or perhaps just term foo or whatever command
phf: mircea_popescu: can i get autovoice for a111?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> idiots support other idiots automatically, ideologically. << they do. this is the most fascinating thing : how incredibly cultish idiocy actually is.
mircea_popescu: basically cults are an attempt to emulate idiocy in higher functioning intellects.
mircea_popescu: the reason it actually delivers useful work is specifically that idiot behaviours, as unthinking as they may be, are actually adaptive.
mircea_popescu: and a functioning console still does more work than a "correct" computer with nonfunctioning gentoo on it.
mircea_popescu: ("what do you mean it doesn't function ? yeah i didn't do anything useful with it since june last year, but I FUCKED WITH IT SIX HOURS EACH DAY SINCE!!11". )
mircea_popescu: phf alrighty.
asciilifeform: http://trilema.com/2016/calidad-de-vida-or-my-days-among-the-cargo-cult/#comment-116961 << answrd
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and yes, it goes back to the 'blind loyalty' thread ☟︎
asciilifeform: and the teenager -ev thread
mircea_popescu: right ? where was that,
asciilifeform: thinking folks have chronic problems with forming spartan 'testudo' ☟︎
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/the-death-of-taxes/#footnote_4_55254 << thar.
phf: i have a reverse osmosis machine that i carry from apartment to apartment, i then drill holes in granite countertops and such. still waiting for somebody to deduct the holes out of my security deposit..
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it has ~nothing with thinking folks. i have seen this personally. the avenue is as such : thinking children are deliberately and ellaborately castrated by certain societies to become socially inept. the first thing that goes when socially inept is allaloisi menontes, as in http://trilema.com/2009/etimologia-democratiei/#selection-77.26-77.44
mircea_popescu: this is an exact mirror of how a different but overlapping set of societies deliberately and elaborately belames pretty girls to think "they can't do math".
mircea_popescu: it's these specific lobotomies that allow "certain kinds" of societies to function. ☟︎
asciilifeform: the first thing that goes when socially inept is allaloisi menontes << elaborate ?
mircea_popescu: so no, an inability to have friends is in no way related with intelligence in males ; just like an inability to add is not related to symmetrical facial features in females.
mircea_popescu: read teh link!
mircea_popescu: phf why would they ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: my gr is weak
mircea_popescu: o neoi, alla machesthe par allaloisi menontes, o noobs, fight shield to shield and never yield
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-10#1449759 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-04-10 15:51 mircea_popescu: also, who was doing what so i can see the log line read in chat ? this is starting to drive me nuts. trinque ? phf ?
mircea_popescu: win phf ty.
asciilifeform: neato!
mircea_popescu: check me out, i actually made a proper fucking english verse to translate greek!
mircea_popescu: better than i managed in ro, ftm.
mircea_popescu: helleniki to ro is a fucking nightmare of ages, nothing works right. NOTHING!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how is 'tara, tara, vrem ostasi' played ?
mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjQJIqf3xPI
mircea_popescu: and ftr, just in case the kratos = power mind is strong and the verse reads "o noobs, fight shield to shield and never yield [to the enemy]", it is not. it is mide fygis aischris archete mide fovou, ""o noobs, fight shield to shield and never yield [to panic and a coward's flight]
mircea_popescu: kratos = endurance.
asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRtemWv_5cc&nohtml5=False << oblig re phalanx
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-10#1449721 << http://btcbase.org/log-last-entry ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-04-10 14:55 asciilifeform: ;;later tell phf can haz bookmarkable url that points to tip of the logz plox ?
asciilifeform: phf: no good. it turns into a specific date
asciilifeform: gotta stay http://btcbase.org/log-last-entry
phf: oh you mean so you can keep refreshing it?
asciilifeform: aha.
mircea_popescu: "why would anyone want this" re deedbot $up
mircea_popescu: lol.
phf: asciilifeform: wooord, ok
asciilifeform: ty phf
phf: asciilifeform: in a vaguely related note the way i've been reading is to click on the entry that i read last (whether it's last line or wherever in the logs) and then do refresh, which extends the log to new state, but keeps my context, something worth trying
asciilifeform: phf: difficult on pNohe etc
mircea_popescu: phf same here.
asciilifeform: generally i don't even ~use~ the www logz when on an actual computer
asciilifeform: (why? when i have the whole thing scrolling into eternity)
phf: asciilifeform: yeah, on phone, you click on nick to get a link for entry
mircea_popescu: i wonder how many peeps haven't ever loaded teh logs on a phone.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: prolly most? my understanding is that 'pNohe' is a usaschwitz/workingclass thing
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> ~as if~ the most damaging thing to be lifted by attacker were picture of your face or arse ! << this is the case for about half the humans i physically interact with. think about that.
asciilifeform: 133337 d000dz on dirigibles are never far from their cockpit, dun need no stinking pocket comp
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wai wut, weren't you the one with 'woman isn't even a woman unless her arse is posted on www'
mircea_popescu struts
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how does that preclude "most valuable" ?
asciilifeform: does a leaked pr0n subtract, or add to, the value of future pics of same chick?
asciilifeform: afaik it appears to be the latter ?
mircea_popescu: i guess it all depends, neh ?
asciilifeform: on what ?
mircea_popescu: i have nfi!
shinohai: https://blog.hboeck.de/archives/880-Pwncloud-bad-crypto-in-the-Owncloud-encryption-module.html <<< run own cloud, get rekt
mircea_popescu: but the fact remains that if anything's gonna be damaging, it'll be that and naught else./
mircea_popescu: lol "get rekt". nb.
asciilifeform: 'I created a proof of concept of this attack. This isn't enough to launch a real attack, because an attacker only has 16 bytes of DOS assembler code, which is very little. For a real attack ... ' << l0l! fella apparently doesn't know that microshit PE format has a (i shit thee not) ~dedicated field~ for 'load exe from url and execute'
asciilifeform: iirc handily will fit in 16 bts.
mircea_popescu: quite so.
punkman: http://qz.com/656104/a-fleet-of-trucks-just-drove-themselves-across-europe/
mircea_popescu: iirc was in teh logs even
ben_vulpes: shinohai: owncloud is a miserable piece of garbage
shinohai: agreed, that's why I lol'd
ben_vulpes: i started reading through it a year and a half ago when i committed to excising appleware from the house
ben_vulpes: waybad.
shinohai: Someone offered me a few bits to install it on a server for them and I declined.
shinohai: Just couldn't bring myself to do it.
ben_vulpes: http://oopweb.com/Ada/Documents/AdaLinux/Volume/book.html << no spark? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: and speaking of bare metal, http://36.media.tumblr.com/5c2f32d91b4b5251aa6dccc1129a0a40/tumblr_n4x2jwMZOz1sl8rhho1_1280.jpg
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu happy sov liberation of odessa day!111 l0lz
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-10#1449839 << spark matured in ada2012 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-04-10 18:10 ben_vulpes: http://oopweb.com/Ada/Documents/AdaLinux/Volume/book.html << no spark?
ben_vulpes: i am having a hard time with a republican selection of a tool written after i was born ☟︎
ben_vulpes: (phf: mega thanks for the inline loggurgitation)
mircea_popescu: lol ty ty
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes put teh hard time into words. ☟︎
ben_vulpes: simply a radical departure from surface-level form!
ben_vulpes: https://angel.co/prismatic << 2 nerds raise ~20m to write lispalikes on the jvm. build consumer facing content curation apps. write a megatonne of highly useful, open source software. fail to pivot to enterprise once the consumer play is obviously not panning out, fold up shop. ☟︎
ben_vulpes: another footnote to asciilifeform's trope about how little software is written off-the-clock
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2014-08-20#801402 << entirely unrelated, but fun/sad to see. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2014-08-20 00:05 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell chetty http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f5/Grand_prismatic_spring.jpg/800px-Grand_prismatic_spring.jpg now this has got to be in the game.
ben_vulpes: more like 16.5M, apparently.
danielpbarron: incidently, that ~is~ in game..
ben_vulpes: well yes!
ben_vulpes never entirely certain how much context to provide
ben_vulpes: also, still waiting for tiberius to make it into btcbase
ben_vulpes: now *those* were some choice luz.
shinohai: $rate phf 1 Keeper of the scriptorium, great work on new chan logs.
shinohai: (-_-)
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/b431186d-b9b6-4f9d-a9f4-a45c1728c2e1/
shinohai: $v 20DA8B51130031914FEB9795A6333013EBACE57B4E8B3BBBEC0206263CA918DA
deedbot: shinohai rated phf 1 << Keeper of the scriptorium, great work on new chan logs.
deedbot-: [serialized delusions] Scripting the web - http://explo.yt/post/2016/04/10/Scripting-the-web
phf: ben_vulpes: tiberius is ancient logs?
jurov: phf, yes
phf: oh damn that's a lot of log
mircea_popescu: i keep getting pms from randos who got banned in b-a.
mircea_popescu: too lazy to answer, something lik... dawg, if you're too lazy to know what's going on you prolly belong banned anyway.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: which nicks?
ben_vulpes: not that nicks mean anything i know i know
mircea_popescu: i opted not to name already, so w/e, no importanto.
mircea_popescu: howling shit, jurov is handling his blog comment spam via www:mechanize and browser sessions ?!
asciilifeform: l0l! ninjashitgun show up yet?
mircea_popescu: i wonder what'd happen if we crossed in a thousand agars a thousand cascadianhacker blogs with a thousand explo.yt blogs.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-10#1449845 << trb is pretty recent too ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-04-10 19:55 ben_vulpes: i am having a hard time with a republican selection of a tool written after i was born
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-10#1449850 << i am reading the link and cannot at all tell wtf the co did..! ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-04-10 21:52 ben_vulpes: https://angel.co/prismatic << 2 nerds raise ~20m to write lispalikes on the jvm. build consumer facing content curation apps. write a megatonne of highly useful, open source software. fail to pivot to enterprise once the consumer play is obviously not panning out, fold up shop.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes heh yeah she put it in there actually. pretty cool.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: ca. 2010 attempt at deep learning for content recommendation
ben_vulpes: afaict
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: trb is also a millstone, not a mill.
asciilifeform: we dun have a mill.
ben_vulpes: http://www.antiqbuyer.com/images/2012-ARCHIVE-2/IMG_3663.jpg << how about a shitty lathe?
ben_vulpes: ada's not a decent mill?
asciilifeform: cannot yet say.
asciilifeform: but i know that the ~other~ available systems are not.
ben_vulpes: mhm
asciilifeform: still hoping that i overlooked something.
asciilifeform: i'm mostly convinced at this point that any serious attempt at sanity will be a similar enough thing to ada that it will trigger all of the same allergies in same folks.
phf: oberon, etc.
asciilifeform: (the bitter taste may not even be a bug, but a feature.. - repels teenagers, trendoids, 10,001 species of pond scum)
asciilifeform: phf: quite
adlai: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-10#1449848 << number blindness is the first symptom of insanity, followed closely by name-blindness; subsequently, total loss of all five humors ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-04-10 20:17 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes put teh hard time into words.
adlai: $rate phf 2 blogged the best lisp bitcoind i've seen yet
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/e44be97c-cedd-41fb-bed0-b954b6546de6/
jurov: there's lisp bitcoind?
adlai: $v DC0142B2DAA4586E0064273D20201B533A7211E182D63E039B64E54AAA307FE2
deedbot: adlai rated phf 2 << blogged the best lisp bitcoind i've seen yet
adlai: jurov: what else did you think S.LIMBS was about anyways
jurov: about limbs, haven't you seen their poster?
adlai: bitch, i am the one who posts
adlai goes back to work
jurov: http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/serious-ipo-srsly.jpg << for newbs, this is s.limbs
adlai will open a coinbr account when s.limbs delivers ipo
jurov: Now is Time, tomorrow IS glory !!1