adlai: +mircea_popescu | but i tell you, when you can't tell a mvp from a fake vietnamese boot the whole thing's dead in the water. << in high school, each year the MVP of the girl's field hockey team was... all the seniors on the field hockey team, together
mircea_popescu: im sure they grew up to be some pretty amazing, totally unskilled twats.
adlai: also, teams had two, three, even in some cases FOUR co-captains
adlai: it's scary to think that my high school classmates are now "grown up" and have real responsibilities in the world
Apocalyptic: <thestringpuller> Apocalyptic: very sad. where will we trade ATC nao? // i guess you're back to OTC trading for some time, seeing how unsuccessful was thickasthieves to get other exchanges to list it
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thestringpuller: it's amazing how trick or treaters are declining cause parents don't let their children eat candy these days
assbot: Logged on 17-10-2014 16:38:20; ThickAsThieves: adlai watch The Black Mirror ep 2
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ben_vulpes: how many dollars is a quarter of a bitcoin?
mats_cd03: trick or treaters are declining because parents are afraid of kidnappings and razor blades in le candy
mircea_popescu: or because when food is supplied in the trough there's no point to social contact
cazalla: mats_cd03, it's on the increase here, retailers want those sales
assbot: Logged on 29-10-2014 04:46:15; asciilifeform: e.g., json rpc
thestringpuller: Pierre_Rochard: Do people use that? It's really insecure as is.
Pierre_Rochard: thestringpuller: just used it to generate a bunch of public addresses. Is it insecure if you’re just using it on localhost?
mircea_popescu: Pierre_Rochard not really decided, maybe fcntl(O_NONBLOCK) / pipes sort of thing
Pierre_Rochard: mircea_popescu: I see. Doing things the unix way would be a nice change
thestringpuller: Pierre_Rochard: I've never run it with RPC remote on. I just feed it the commands from cmd line.
Pierre_Rochard: thestringpuller: ah, feeding the responses into a python script sped things up for me
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ben_vulpes: i picked up a cheap argentime malbec import
mircea_popescu: hehe you;'re young yet, and argentina's still going towards its prime.
mircea_popescu: dumbasses here still going on about how it's either "patria" or "financial groups"
ben_vulpes: i'll start the transfer process in earnest after the next round of food riots.
mircea_popescu: i dismissed a dumbass real estate agent earlier in the terms of "stupid bitch, i'm not a fucking tourist, i'm here to rape you not to be raped by you clueless worthless lot. get lost and come back when you've got that". she was genuinely surprised.
ben_vulpes: in other news, the girl blew up the crockpot and lit the stove on fire today
mircea_popescu: i was going to send you a pack of biscuits, peanut for the dog, chocolate for the fox. none for you, ofcourse, as men don't need to eat. sadly thestringpuller doesn't seem ready to take orders still.
ben_vulpes: hold fast there was photographic evidence
mircea_popescu: well, recipients that resist heat can either be oven rated or flame rated, and generally what's safe to heatr in the oven is not safe to heat on a burner
ben_vulpes: crock pots are not rated for either oven or flame usage.
ben_vulpes: low-temp resistance heater is the story there
ben_vulpes: lady love darling sweet BRILLIANT woman put this VERY THICK and also UNRATED CERAMIC object onto a no-limit resistive heater.
mircea_popescu: i thought you were actually using high performance chemistry gear in the house. for some reason.
ben_vulpes: and i divested myself of all the like years ago.
ben_vulpes: this provided an excellent opportunity to shop this image around to everyone i know 'cause "lol thanks babe we all had a good laugh at that one"
ben_vulpes: and also a lesson in geometric heat distribution.
ben_vulpes: the problem was not actually that a non-rated object went on the burner, but that sweet love put a chicken leg into the hot oil and the local stresses exceeded the crystal's bond strength.
assbot: Logged on 13-10-2014 04:40:59; mircea_popescu: doctor spent like three hours extracting hot oil and glass shards from her crack and legs
mircea_popescu: ~~~ ben_vulpes:ain't no training going to fix that kind of stupid ~~~
ben_vulpes: or perhaps more accurately, another edge case has been brought to light.
mircea_popescu: maybe you need stan to rewrite the os/proc designs/world
ben_vulpes: i'd liken this one to an iptables fuckup
ben_vulpes: whereas the "hot oil in cold dish" is more along the lines of sudo rm -rf /
mircea_popescu: also a matter of volume. casual handling of half a gallon of boiling oil != one chicken leg.
ben_vulpes: one bespeaks a fundamental failure to understand the mechanisms at play, the other a poor grasp of thermal inertia and the concept of localized heat stresses.
ben_vulpes: which to be fair to the poor art student, is a subtlety of the practice.
mircea_popescu: o wait, the original vulpe's an art student ?! what's she make ?
ben_vulpes: immediately after hs she ran the kids program at an art museum
mircea_popescu: dude is a female slam poet anything other than a hooker ?!
ben_vulpes: although how many beds were actually "paid" for is anyone's guess
mircea_popescu: i mean, isn't it just what hookers say to the cops, like the guy caught pissing in public pulls the bladder condition ?
ben_vulpes: girl's transpo and food and lodging was paid for by places
ben_vulpes: not my field, so i can't really speak to any of it.
mircea_popescu: aanyways! go on, this is turning into a fascinating tale.
ben_vulpes: <ben_vulpes> blah blah blah, years pass
ben_vulpes: she comes to pdx to study some kind of "installation art" at the local bezzletron art school
ben_vulpes: same reason as i; to practice writing under someone with a cane
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes tell you what. tell the woman she's been served.
mircea_popescu: she shows up here, has a poetry slam with hannah, whichever wins gets a shiny bitcoin.
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mircea_popescu: you name a judge, i name a judge, they name a third judge and then they score them.
ben_vulpes: turdmeisters: what am i to do with tests? bitcoin 0.8+ has them in qa/rpc-tests
ben_vulpes: (busted crock aside, the coq au vin is coming along nicely)
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Vexual: is there a new crockpot with instructions fund? that was funny
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mats_cd03: so many soccer moms and scantily dressed lolis last night
mats_cd03: no tits on tv but your 12 year old can walk around with her ass hangin out on halloween
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bounce: "sexy walmart mom" costume?
chetty: someone explain to me how all those feminists justify putting little girls scanty costumes?
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thickasthieves: ;;rate Apocalyptic 2 ATC support at x-bt.com, shut down without drama
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jurov: thickasthieves: i have atc version of coinroll, you can have some fun :DDD
thickasthieves: well what do i do with all my ATC once i win them all?
jurov: that's as good as anything
jurov: be sure to take a photo
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adlai: "BitShares Music will be the first blockchain to be used by the masses" just shut up and take my money!
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adlai reveals himself as having not even read the materials associated with ether
dignork: adlai: me neither, but this part seemed odd, so i googgled it.
adlai: what about it seems odd, it's perfectly reasonable for the people selling these things to fear for their asses and get old-fashioned legal advice
dignork: oh, the part of "additional processing power" seemed irrelevant to music foundation
jurov: maybe it's mining botnet in disguise
ben_vulpes: adlai are you getting nerdsniped by scamchains again?
adlai: reading up a little about WoL now, so you could say so :P
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ben_vulpes: "I would like to inform anybody involved in this kinda thing, that there's a maximum penalty of $100,000, one-year in jail, or both," Phil Bradford, an FCC spokesman, told a reporter the following day.
ben_vulpes: phil doesn't quite get the notion of a maxmum, i warrant.
ben_vulpes: mats_cd03: it's too cold and wet around here for anything approaching a bacchanal
assbot: ATC Closing Statement | Bingo Blog
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atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 9 Ask: 130 Last Price: 41 24h-Vol: 463k High: 55 Low: 41 VWAP: 47
mircea_popescu: hey, who were the muppets that closed recently, claiming they were spending 9k/month on servers among other thiungs ? qntra reported it
jurov: was going to say bitcoinbourse.eu but they're still up
jurov: (cue: Buy: 0.00 € Sell: 0.00 € )
assbot: MPEx (S.MPOE) October 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
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mircea_popescu: mats_cd03: so many soccer moms and scantily dressed lolis last night << where ?
assbot: Page not found pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: gernika you'll have to go into detail. make me a sample scenario ?
mircea_popescu: chetty: someone explain to me how all those feminists justify putting little girls scanty costumes? << "all men are pedophiles and rapists because the only feminine females left around are under 16 yo because we educate little girls to act like lolis and then after puberty we try and make them into obnoxious whales" ?
mircea_popescu: adlai: ahaha looks like somebody got a lawyer << and yet fucktards STILL use pdfs. sigh.
mircea_popescu: dignork: adlai: me neither, but this part seemed odd, so i googgled it. << such lmao. "hey, two bitcoin scams are the only things google could find online that used the same broken logic dressed in the same approximative verbiage. WHY COULD THS BE ?!?!?!"
mircea_popescu: clearly it's because ethereum was like all respectable and took like actual investment, rather than just pretending on both scores.
mircea_popescu: no, took. from to take investment. mebbe needed a comma in there
mircea_popescu: "he fucked, like, a real woman" valley girl speak as opposed to "he fucked a real woman" nohomo bro speak
mircea_popescu: "I would like to inform anybody involved in this kinda thing, that there's a maximum penalty of $100,000, one-year in jail, or both," Phil Bradford, an FCC spokesman, told a reporter the following day." << also appears on two spots on the interwebs. vice.com and b-a logs. thanks to the power of logic we now know ben_vulpes writes for motherboard.
chetty: <mircea_popescu> chetty: someone explain to me how all those feminists justify putting little girls scanty costumes? << "all men are pedophiles and rapists because the only feminine females left around are under 16 yo because we educate little girls to act like lolis and then after puberty we try and make them into obnoxious whales" ?// ?? we is all men? interesting and does explain much but still doesn't explain the mommy behavior dressing them
jurov: moms project theri desires into daughters?
mircea_popescu: you don't understand how thw world works. "mom" would like a place to drop off the kid while she does "other things". (no, i don't mean fucking. if only. i mean going around shitty clothes shops in the mall and feeling each individual item buyt not buying anything, then hitting the food court)
mircea_popescu: so they offer this service, "drop off your kids for an afternoon and get five double cheeseburger mchappy meals"
gernika: mircea_popescu for example, Alice builds up a good reputation in the WoT. Then in some large transaction Alice absconds with Bob's BTC and fails to deliver the goods. If the same transaction were instead executed in such a way that if either party fails to deliver, both Alice and Bob would lose an amount of btc equal to the value of the item being purchased, would that then prevent Alice from sacrificing her WoT rating to
gernika: cheat someone in a large transaction?
mircea_popescu: gernika the case you're proposing is already out of scope, because the wot is intended to be used with middle transactions. so if alice trades 100 btc a month for two years, trusting alice with 200 in one go is okay. trusting her with 5k is absurd,
chetty: gernika, what does wot have to do with that? everyday common trust question
mircea_popescu: basically you're saying "if people weren't using the wot how could their actions not impact the wot'. well... they already don't.
assbot: What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021818 B (Total: 477.11 B). Delta: -0.38 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000195 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0.000195 / 0.000195 / 0.000195 (274 shares, 0.05 BTC), 7D: 0.000195 / 0.000195 / 0.000195 (274 shares, 0.05 BTC), 30D: 0.000195 / 0.00019715 / 0.00020614 (47439 shares, 9.35 BTC)
mats_cd03: 14:27:58 <+mircea_popescu> mats_cd03: so many soccer moms and scantily dressed lolis last night << where ?
gernika: mircea_popescu Ah ok. Got it. Didn't think about how people would evaluate the WoT differently for different magnitudes of transactions. It actually does help with the long con problem. So one could do 50 1 btw transactions, then steal the last btc, but that's about all. Yes I've read what-the-wot...
mircea_popescu: you mean lolis as in freshman, 19yo womenz mats_cd03 ?!
mircea_popescu: gernika well, one could put the time in to build himself and steal some, but the idea is that he wouldn't really manage to steal more than what not stealing is worth on a discouinted basis for him.
mats_cd03: altho there were plenty of freshmen walking around
mircea_popescu: which is why people who pretend to trade but aren't in the wot, and ESPECIALLY people who pretend to raise capital/issue equity but have no experience whatsoever are suspect.
mircea_popescu: they HAVE TO BE frauds, pure and simple, there's no logical alternative.
mats_cd03: things overheard last night: 'we should find some MIT guys, they're, like, going to rule the world. but, really!'
mats_cd03: i was in a few residential neighborhoods close-ish to somerville, so... kids
mircea_popescu: isn't it fucking cold in east fucking anglia, nov 1st ?
gernika: mircea_popescu So in order for someone to get rated for a more valuable interaction than they have ever participated in before, someone else always needs to take a risk, correct?
mircea_popescu: gernika exaclty, and in wot-terms he makes a trust donation to the wot and to his partner.
mats_cd03: it was ~40F, plenty warm enough. chicks around here walk around in shirts and a belt in january, ~15F, on friday nights
mircea_popescu: gernika the situation being exactly equivalent to when they first joined the wot, had no ratings.
mats_cd03: getting laid is more important than warmth.
mircea_popescu: because in practical terms, they DO have no ratings, for that level.
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 in fairness, i dun think it's sluttiness, i think its simple use. you should see the chicks here, it rained two days ago, it was like... i dunno, 18 instead of 23 celsisus ? COATS! shivering! everyone destroyed omg it's so cold.
gernika: mircea_popescu Would a nash equilibrium based exchange in THAT case be of use? Or would it nullify the donation to the wot?
mircea_popescu: gernika it seems to me the wot is already generating it's own equilibrium, not clear to me what you mean by "nash equilibrium based exchange"
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mircea_popescu: i seriously think that comic pretty much illustrates the mental process of the libertard us female. she has a little girl that grows up to be a man
gernika: mircea_popescu So in a case where two parties have no information about each other (which is essentially the same as when one party is in the WoT and one isn't, or when one party wants to do a trade they're not rated for), a nash equilibrium allows a way to incentivize both parties to complete the transaction faithfully by forcing both parties to risk the value of the item being traded contingent on the trade being completed
gernika: successfully. It would work like this: Alice wants to sell her gold for btc. She puts 1 oz of gold worth of btc in Chad's basket. Bob puts 2 oz. of gold worth of btc in Chad's basket. Alice gives Bob her gold. Bob refuses to give Alice her 1 oz of gold worth of btc. Chad threatens to throw his basket over the cliff. Bob reluctantly give alice 1 oz of gold worth of btc. Chad gives everyone back their stuff from the
gernika: Well, an escrow that doesn't make any decision in the event of a dispute except to say both parties are out their escrow.
mircea_popescu: if that's what you mean best call it escrow, because the bitcoin crowd (esp here) is highly technical and the nash reference sends people mentally exploring large swaths of math theory.
mircea_popescu: right. that's how escrow actually works. "come back when you agree"
mircea_popescu: anyway! this is how services such as localbitcoins work.
gernika: Also, this escrow can be done without a third party
mircea_popescu: the problem are all the edge cases. did you catch that discussion in the logs, as to what localbitcoins is vulnerable to ?
mircea_popescu: no, it can not, because you can't multisig dollars, or bars of gold.
gernika: But you don't need to. The seller puts the value of their item in btc in escrow. The buyer puts double the value of the item in btc in escrow.
gernika: The seller then ships the item.
mircea_popescu: are you aware that trade as-is is credit-supported so people don't actually need to put up even the actual value of the items ?
mircea_popescu: that's why international trade happens on the basis of locs and so forth.
gernika: I have seen discussion of that on Trilema, I believe. Doesn't that arrangement depend on a trusted third party? The creditor?
mircea_popescu: gernika let me illustrate the problem of trust and the limits of the universe to you with a risque comic.
mircea_popescu: now, in this comic, trudy cooper makes the excellent point that resources are scarce, whereas trust cheap.
mircea_popescu: so, in any practical situaiton, a solution that relies on trust will outperform a solution that relies on expenditure.
gernika: Hmm yes. Trust *is* cheap.
mircea_popescu: now, fucking could consist of the girl getting another cock and the guy getting another cunt to sit and watch them while they do it.
mircea_popescu: this wasteful system has actually been implemented in practice, it's what victorian england was all about
mircea_popescu: HOWEVER it is not a stable solution. because wasteful, fundamentally.
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gernika: I suppose in my mind I conflated being forced to trust certain third parties (my "elected" representative, my bank, the Federal Reserve) and voluntarily trusting random ebay sellers.
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mircea_popescu: which is why the entire democratic blabla about "social contracts" and whatnot is so laughable.
mircea_popescu: "o hey, you're part of a contract you enver signed lol!"
mircea_popescu: bounce nah, see, most recend attempt at ddosing qntra used a large number of broken-into websites.
gernika: So what is the term or concept for forced trust in third parties?
gernika: It's the sort of trust that you think is trust at first, then realize you have no other options later.
bounce: how is that "trust"? o_O?
mircea_popescu: then that's anti-rape. rape seems to be this thing where you think you have no options at first, then later you realise that you did so you go and denounce the fucker.
gernika: bounce it's not trust, just not sure what it is. Anti-rape. Will consider that.
gernika: A world where you appear to have a bunch of choices, but in fact you have only one and it sucks.
mircea_popescu: gernika on a more serious note, this is a problem familiar from game design. you can either have choice or stability, not both. systems that are to any degree stable only achieve this stability by denying choice correspondingly.
bounce: what was that game again, "diplomacy"
bounce: you're trying your hand at english where mark twain tried at german, by proposing to replace all words with just "slag" and "zug".
mircea_popescu: choice of words is a poor simile for choice of action.
mircea_popescu: mostly because (blessfully) representation is toothless upon reality.
bounce: even so not all games are one and the same
mircea_popescu: this is like saying all naming conventions are the same to zooko's triangle.
assbot: Hyperlapse of boat ride on Lake Lacar back to San Martin de Los Andes - YouTube
mthreat: it's snowing right now, which is very unusual for this time of year here.
mthreat: going to Bariloche tomorrow, and should pass through Villa la Angostura, by Hitler's supposed house there
mthreat: the house is for sale, I expect to see it on BitPremier soon ;)
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cazalla: so october is 1 month down for qntra, if anyone has criticism as well as feedback on what you liked/disliked and want to see more/less of, i'm all ears
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punkman: cazalla: some longer pieces maybe
assbot: MiniGame (S.MG), October 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
punkman: uh oh gotta get that bot up
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punkman: it had surgery, testing now
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gernika: cazalla I like the background given on investors and founders involved in the startups covered. Don't have a specific example in mind, but I like the digging.
punkman: kakobrekla: I ran the backtest on more recent bets, ALLNO was negative