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mrottenkolber:
phf: That's why I thought about adding signatures of “git vdiff” to commit messages and an alias/command to verify a branch.
trinque:
phf: ever use flexbox? something resembling a layout system ended up in the standard itself
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform>
phf: you may have been thinking of bash.org ? << i don't think he is and i have a vague recollection of this from the very early 2000s that i also can't place
trinque:
phf: took your example and wrote a CLOS thing for pluggable services.
mircea_popescu:
phf there's no need to lean or anything ; but the fact remains that if you're unhappy with the way in which fights between toddlers and adults are coming out, giving the toddlers fancier rifles is not likely to do much.
mod6:
phf: well, other than saying "interesting" and "cool", i couldn't figure out how to do that either. unless we create a vtron signature style in 'g' or is it 'p'? i cant recall.. cause how will someones vtron be able to pull the bit string out to know how to categorize someones seal?
mircea_popescu:
phf the whole premise of bourgeois society is "me too". apprentice wizard "becoming" "just as good" as wizard. sons becoming just as good as fathers. seedling becoming just as tree as the tree.
assbot: Logged on 20-03-2016 15:31:18;
phf: there's a very vocal minority trying to get it into emacs as a replacement for elisp, you'll have an elisp emulation layer, but you can also have javascript emulation layer!!1
assbot: Logged on 20-03-2016 15:25:22;
phf: i don't remember homebrew pulling guile, so it's something gentoo specific. and putting -guile into useflags don't do notin
assbot: Logged on 20-03-2016 15:04:05;
phf: also anyone tried doing a kernel level key rebind before? is that just in config or you need to patch source. i want to switch some keys around, but i don't want to have to do it for every single userland environment
assbot: Logged on 20-03-2016 15:02:08;
phf: asciilifeform: did you manage to get emacs to build on musl gentoo? (i.e. does the musl patches overlay include a solution for temacs dump process)
assbot: Logged on 20-03-2016 06:27:49;
phf: i've managed a reiserfs/lilo combo, though genkernel claims that it doesn't work with reiserfs. uclibc vanilla failed on chroot step, ifconfig and all the other networking bits refused to work. perhaps i needed to grab a uclibc iso? in any case i proceeded witha glibc install for now
assbot: Logged on 20-03-2016 06:25:18;
phf: ok, not sure if anybody tried yet, but asciilifeform's gentoo chicken works as prescribed. in fact i tried installing unknown package that turned out to have a hard poettering dependency, and gentoo refused to proceed
mircea_popescu:
phf> ok, not sure if anybody tried yet, but asciilifeform's gentoo chicken works as prescribed << it does, yes, and it IS a very good and useful thing. almost makes me feel bad when mocking linuxen.
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 18-03-2016 17:43:18;
phf: other signing method is a microdot pattern, you know, to cover all the bases
mircea_popescu:
phf thinking about it, i think the switch has a lot to do with their delusional notion that they're somehow now in power.
mircea_popescu:
phf that change, incidentally, makes me completely discount the euro "left" movement.
mircea_popescu:
phf methinks you may be alone in that interpretation. i for instance don't do the whole "accept as fairitale" thing.
assbot: Logged on 17-03-2016 03:15:03;
phf: "if i cut the tape, he realized, my world will disappear. reality will continue for others, but not for me. because my reality, my universe, is coming to me from this minuscule unit. fed into the scanner and then into my central nervous system as it snailishly unwinds."
mircea_popescu:
phf for my curiosity, what's your classification of "b-a rhetorics" ? anarcho-neoliberal ? deco-existentialist ?
assbot: Logged on 17-03-2016 03:10:26;
phf: i periodically revisit his page for inspiration, but i suspect that's he's probably some form of northern european anarcho leftist, which now's been fashionable long enough to perhaps swing back to fascism again. in other words he will probably find b-a rhetoric toxic. but i'm guessing from spending much time with other members of that crowd
mod6: mircea_popescu asciilifeform ben_vulpes trinque
phf, et. al., I've been mulling it over while i've been following the logs for some days now about what seems like a good fork to have in our possession: at this point, im inclined to think implementation of Mr. P.'s outlined ideas are the best choice, currently.
hanbot:
phf / anyone who mac-erizes or might mess with gpgtools, tell me menu option & any steps involved in exporting pubkey if you have a moment? i'm trying to put a eulora wiki guide together and these derps have like zero documentation.
assbot: Logged on 16-03-2016 04:25:15;
phf: it's very odd because guy completely discredits american position in the first few chapters, yet for the rest of the books it's noble american victories vs surprisingly successful vc tactics
assbot: Logged on 16-03-2016 04:16:51;
phf: i was about 50% into the logs that i missed, when i switched back to reading "the tunnels of cu chi" (mega book), so not sure if the gentoo recipe was posted
assbot: Logged on 16-03-2016 04:15:31;
phf: asciilifeform: hey, was there anything else posted re gentoo de-poetering besides the initial chicken?
assbot: Logged on 16-03-2016 02:56:58;
phf: trinque: as per that rant only things needing pressing are asciilifeform_shiva_part_1_of_2, asciilifeform_shiva_part_2_of_2 and asciilifeform_shiva_fix_flag_bug
assbot: Logged on 16-03-2016 02:53:58;
phf: trinque: it's not about "not doing things", pressing tinyscheme genesis is just not the right way to get shiva
trinque:
phf: you see how your sentences have... content ?
assbot: Logged on 10-03-2016 10:43:46; mircea_popescu: in any case we should prolly have a strategy discussion here. paging mod6 asciilifeform jurov trinque
phf an' the other interested parties.
BingoBoingo:
phf: The qntra is actually being written on a medical topic, but I was googling the "war on computing" link and was pleasantly surprised when qntra was #1
assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 17:39:26; asciilifeform: i must agree with
phf. and i think this is how nubbins` ended up killfiled by mircea_popescu, for the 'i speak for trees, for the trees have no tongues' thing.
assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 16:33:32;
phf: i think this question is receiving far less attention then the alleged miner collusion. i would've liked to see it approached through a judge (perhaps moon is a harsh mistress style "would you be our judge?"), a carefully constructed paper, an investigation, rather than bickering in logs. i think the question is also separate from receivership and is about ensuring that the rest of tmsr maintain a shared vision
assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 16:33:30;
phf: nubbins`: the core of the issue (the way i understand it) is whether or not mp can use personal funds to pay out bets, and whether he can later ask for those funds back from shareholders. that seems to contradict the contract, so the accusation goes, he's in breach of contract. seems simple enough.
assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 16:33:28;
phf: into a controversial protocol behavior, mp called it "miners are conspiring against bitbet". you can personally call mp stupid for that, but there's no "crime" there.
assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 16:33:27;
phf: nubbins`: i think it's a pointless to discuss (and takes away from the core of the issue) whether or not miners are conspiring against bitbet. ascii's been known to say that lizard hitler personally disconnected his node, nobody cared to pipe in then, because it's an established local way of talking and thinking (не веришь прими за сказку). miners are a cartel, they can collectively decide
nubbins`:
phf: "solicited a judge from the wot" is meaningless, unless you know something i don't.
assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 16:33:26;
phf: nubbins`: it's a shame that you chose this approach for your denouncement. some people are here (myself, maybe ascii) not to make money, but to fuck around with novel ways of doing things. it would've been nifty if, as a "lord" if you will, you picked up the game and made your accusations formal, maybe solicited a judge from the wot, made it interesting somehow! you don't have to obviously, but the approach tha
ben_vulpes: anyways
phf, yes, alphabet corp friends and acquaintances are all having a grand party with the low cost of living.
ben_vulpes:
phf: that's an advantage. i can't fleece people effectively with software, being too honest.
ben_vulpes:
phf: i clearly have no business being in business.
ben_vulpes:
phf: it's 400k for a mobile app if you bring your own designer, 50-200k if we design it, 10-40k for a single-purpose webapp with minimal frills and if you need a website, well, squarespace is over there. heck, they even do ecomm, and better than any wordprex.
assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 22:22:18;
phf: but as an advertisement platform for mpex and steady stream of income for investors i don't see ~anything~ wrong with bitbet. my current interpretation is that a lot of various people overreacted and a sure thing was killed.
assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 22:07:26;
phf: jurov: i wonder if there are referees besides kako and mp. owners got at least 75btc each plus sales of shares, plus payouts from unsold shares.
assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 21:47:54; asciilifeform:
phf: from rereading the logz, seems like mircea_popescu admits this, even.
assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 21:26:03;
phf: jurov: you're right, there's not much that can be done as far as bickering. i find some of the positions rather petty or outright alarmist, but i can't keep people from talking. i'm only thinking that an arbitration procedure could produce tldr that at the very least will focus the attention.
assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 21:03:36; asciilifeform:
phf: sadly this is prolly how it will go. at least no mexican ice pick is yet involved.
assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 21:02:48;
phf: instead the solution is what? to spend a bunch more days repeating same positions over and over again until you leave in disgust, people who are already on the mp side are galvanized, etc.?
assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 21:00:41;
phf: jurov: but overall, all that is for us to figure out, yeah? the "judge" in this case is one of our peers, can look at what transpired, present an opinion, "it is the opinion of this judged, having considered all facts available, that mp done goofed". mp can go "well fuck you judge", you can go "that's a fair assessment", negrate mp and move on
assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 20:39:47;
phf: that was an answer to a solrodar's intentionally pointed question about costs of hosting vs. mp's "time", which was in term prompted by my attempt to understand how bitbet works
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform>
phf: they never quite got to this point << i dun think this was the case either intended or implied.
kakobrekla:
phf you cant have responsibility without liability; no skin in the game - no game. if nothing else, it creates a set of bad incentives. this is how fiat world works and we collectively despise that.
humanoidity:
phf: I see. Hence the "receiver" bizness. Sounds like a marriage counselor is what is needed here :)
assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 22:18:12;
phf: and i have no idea, and i think that's the problem ascii runs into a lot too, my hour, when paid in fiat, is more expensive by a margin. but my work on various tmsr ventures is unpaid, so a bitcoin operation, that's funneling bitcoins at a steady pace?
thestringpuller:
phf: so zero assets is obviously an oversight << since corporation doesn't hold any cash outside of "day to day operations" and all profit is distributed, dealing with credit is tricky. what if company needs to buy a foo-machine but is too expensive to book as a one time expense?
humanoidity:
phf : gotcha. So there's quite a bit of cash parked in there atm, and 17btc doesn't look like at huge amount to build back. Why on earth was mp's loan offer rejected ?
humanoidity:
phf : thx for explanation, this answers my question.
assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 22:22:18;
phf: but as an advertisement platform for mpex and steady stream of income for investors i don't see ~anything~ wrong with bitbet. my current interpretation is that a lot of various people overreacted and a sure thing was killed.
jurov:
phf so you think it can go on this way, like, another 3 years?
jurov:
phf well.. such magnitude of payouts is fine for coinbr where i'm alone.. not for 2 owners, shareholders, referees,...
jurov:
phf, maybe if you apply for the receiver and do it ;)
jurov:
phf also judge will prevent the discussion how?
jurov:
phf but how can the judge decide without precedent? was the problem of appropriate expenses for zerofee corporations put into law or any such test?
assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 16:33:32;
phf: i think this question is receiving far less attention then the alleged miner collusion. i would've liked to see it approached through a judge (perhaps moon is a harsh mistress style "would you be our judge?"), a carefully constructed paper, an investigation, rather than bickering in logs. i think the question is also separate from receivership and is about ensuring that the rest of tmsr maintain a shared vision
jurov:
phf, so my conclusion that such compartmentalization is prone to problems, wouls be pointless rimshot too?
jurov:
phf indeed, assigning the 17btc to shareholders is failure of the compartmentalization
assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 19:34:02; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> << just how deeply in the red ~was~ bbet, if we consider this ..? << i dunno man, how much for a night with my slave of your choice ? for me she'll do it for free, you she will not even consider. and this speaks to
phf's and other's q as to why assets weren't on the books since they can be trivially enumerated : yes they can be ; but they can't be VALUED. what's the accounting value of
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> << just how deeply in the red ~was~ bbet, if we consider this ..? << i dunno man, how much for a night with my slave of your choice ? for me she'll do it for free, you she will not even consider. and this speaks to
phf's and other's q as to why assets weren't on the books since they can be trivially enumerated : yes they can be ; but they can't be VALUED. what's the accounting value of bitbet codebase ?
☟︎ mircea_popescu:
phf whatever people do with their private funds is their problem, the contract still says the shareholders get it.
PeterL:
phf, to me the listing seems to say during liquidation shareholders get an even share?