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mircea_popescu: the usg has no priviledged relationship with the law. it's a poor mockery thereof.
decimation: the problem is that the vector usg uses is civilization-destroying. essentially "obey the law" becomes more of a farce until it becomes a laughing matter
asciilifeform: well that's usg.
decimation: usg ought to be careful with pushing this kind of shit, you don't want the little people to become confused about banking
asciilifeform: there is a whole not-very-well-hidden world of what one might call 'cardinal richelieu' ('...six words of the honest man!') infrastructure, waiting for command from usg to send 'd34th thr34tz!!!1111!!!' to some crowned head that are Provably!111! from your house, when the time comes
asciilifeform: the escrow can have -only one- purpose - to let nice folks at usg forge packets as 'provably' from your house.
decimation: asciilifeform: in general, docsis is a "reference implementation" of usg crypto, complete with fips standards etc.
mircea_popescu: basically they're one of the what, 100k or so small tech-ish corps that live off the usg dole.
asciilifeform: eh, sure. small business that does no-one-knows-what, for usg only
asciilifeform: dns is not only a thin and centralized neck to squeeze, it is controlled almost entirely by usg
mircea_popescu: word around the terrorist campfire is, the usg is really running short on talent.
mircea_popescu: http://log.b-a.link/?date=01-02-2015#1001684 << come to think if it, usg's Freisler's unceremonious dismissal of o'reilly media's version gavin (perhaps even at some point prepared for a gavin substitution, in case) is telling of a certain change of winds in that camp.
asciilifeform: http://www.uwgb.edu/DutchS/PSEUDOSC/WhyNoConspiracies.HTM << steve dutch descends to new level of usg fellatio
decimation: I guess. Like, if there were anti-us rebels in mexico, I think usg would be seriously pissed if russia sent troops to support them
decimation: mats: what 'game'? is usg trying to gain a colony in eastern europe
mats: what does USG care if Putin shuts off the gas?
decimation: I would like someone in usg to explain to little people like me why 1) poking russia with a stick is a good idea and 2.) what possible good could come from it
decimation: the banking system is a propaganda wrapper around usg/fed bank ownership
decimation: no, it's like having usg pay 70 bucks for a happy mean I 'get' to eat
decimation: eh, I can borrow usg's bezzlars for 3.5
decimation: I can't find good data, but it is pretty well known that usg entities purchase 30 year fixed loans
decimation: in the us, all mortgages are sold by usg
mircea_popescu: usg comedy hour is best comedy hour!
mircea_popescu: clearly usg has like a majority and shit.
mircea_popescu: a more laughably clear cut of usg-ism i've never seen, and it's utter defeat and public ridicule will do a lot not only to preserve bitcoin as "the noose that hangs the usg", but moreover as a focal point for all people who would rather live an actual life.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: gavin andresen is unchangeably biased against solutions that preserve scarcity semantics. <<< that's not even it. a princeton graduate that lives in amherst mass and has suckled the usg privilege tit all his life to the exclusion of anything else is going to make it so we can't verify bitcoin transactions or integrity anymore in order to "save africa" by allowing them microtransactions they don't either nee
mircea_popescu: We are determined to meet these threats through infiltration, disruption, and dismantling of organizations which seek to challenge the legitimacy of our democratic form of government.‘ << this part is the funniest, incidentally, considering the APPALLING record of usg agents trying to infiltrate a god damnd public channel so far.
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic im sure the usg thinks it can do anything it pleases.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> not trying to argue that usg will somehow transmogrify into inca empire when it 'needs to' << ballas is fundamentally (if perhaps unaware-ly) arguing that it already has. that's where his numerous psychanalisis pieces on the public mindset converge.
mircea_popescu: so... yes. for as long as the usg is willing to die peacefully, it will die peacefully. and if it wishes to try and make a break for it, all the same, it will die bloodily.
midnightmagic: dude. seriously plotting or fomenting the physical murder of the USG is sedition, insurrection, and various related crimes and there's no fucking way I'm interested in being associated with it just because I'm lurking in here. ☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: not trying to argue that usg will somehow transmogrify into inca empire when it 'needs to'
asciilifeform does not expect to outlive usg by very long
midnightmagic: uh. just for the record, I strongly disagree with plotting the violent overthrow of the USG. I do not, have not, will not, and would not even in the face of violent coercion, consider the use of violent and/or lethal force as a vehicle of governmental change. I am not a seditionist.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the wretch was ordered to use only systems fully compatible with traditional usg spyware used on such occasions
asciilifeform: usa is a tar pit the likes of which cannot be imagined by folks unfamiliar with the subject. those without money - cannot afford to make even basic preparations to flee; those with some - e.g., with a profession - know full well that they are not needed or wanted outside of the usg sphere of influence; those with serious money - understand (or sometimes don't) that their 'wealth' is really a creature of usg, and really lives i
decimation: I guess usg is very good at the good cop/bad cop routine in its derpy way
asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2015/01/brown-147.pdf << mega-usg-lol
mircea_popescu: really, usg : hire smarter people. i know that obama was wildly successful by promising a bunch of losers unprecedented financial incentives to voice for him, and i know that for that reason it WORKS for him to do all sorts of patently idiotic shit, like most recently claiming that inviting the president of israel "breaks protocol" because it could be seen as supporting a side in the coming elections, while his staff i
asciilifeform: ultimate purpose of which is usg escrow of coin.
mircea_popescu: you can distinguish the usg agents from the random muppet by this simple pretense : once gavin's ideas are crushed in the open, does he continue as if nothing happened ?
asciilifeform: usg ended up grudgingly trotting out all of the original documents proving that every word was true
asciilifeform: and involved a hilarious usg idiocy
mircea_popescu: except, it won't be men in usg-blue shirts humbled before tshirted croc wearing crowd,
mircea_popescu: (if you use usg "free" storage, "special deal for gavincoin")
asciilifeform: but of course, this place doesn't officially exist, 'no one could have guessed' that z was lowered into pederasty and made usg stooge, etc. never happened because not in 'forbes.'
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal: anybody here play/have played poker at casinos frequently? << if you mean irl, and not the retarded usg run stuff, then yes. http://trilema.com/2010/high-society/
BingoBoingo: decimation: GPS time is USG turd. Want to be able to keep own clock.
decimation: asciilifeform: usg actually proposed getting rid of leap seconds
decimation: re: usg intel 'truths': https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intelligence/csi-publications/csi-studies/studies/vol.-55-no.-1/pdfs/CleanedPetersen-What%20I%20Learned-20Apr2011.pdf
asciilifeform: i don't even believe, necessarily, that they have achieved anything. but in a logically distinct hypothesis that the snowden papers do not prove 'usg is impotent' any more than the famous kgb defections of the '70-80s proved that soviet intelligence was dead
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: this is why I think private spy agency with $maxint budget are more efficient than any USG version.
asciilifeform: usg bureaucracy is every bit as gnarly as soviet equivalents, there are ~two dozen 'spy agencies', each with $maxint budget and practically whole legal immunity
asciilifeform won't belabour the point re: how 1) the nsa directorate that ended up publicly pants-down is not the whole nsa 2) the bureau is not the whole of usg intelligence
asciilifeform: jurov: the uuencoded blob contained a fairly unremarkable keylogger (meant as a module within one of the gigantic modular mega-turds usg is fond of.)
asciilifeform: https://data.awp.is/data/international/16/morecowbell.pdf << usg version of 'isitup'
mircea_popescu: mats: i am disappointed the snow is not piled higher. this is not the apocalypse i was promised! << usg makes a habit to overpromise and underdeliver.
decimation: I suspect 'rich in bezzlars' will not convey post-usg sovereignty
asciilifeform: i do not know enough about koch to say whether he is likely to become a post-usg sovereign who might conceivably carry out experiments with artificial fucktopias
asciilifeform: perhaps after usg implodes he can buy some people to fill it with
decimation: of course, in an account that isn't locked away by some deal with usg re: taxes
asciilifeform: (usg lab)
decimation: similarly, usg civil servants don't find much reason to bother with actual work, when coolies will do - often for free
decimation: they all exist under the heading of some usg fiat or another, mostly from fdr days
asciilifeform: microshit, for instance, is in every way - other than law - a ministry of usg
asciilifeform: much of the daily contact between usg and subjects has not the remotest thing to do with laws
decimation: note that usg accomplishes bifurcating the internet without actually writing down any law
asciilifeform: usg still working on hardforking the internet << it can't ever stop, until dies. burned into its bios, or sumthinglikethat
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform usg still working on hardforking the internet, huh ?
asciilifeform: 'spy agency' will be abolished and replaced with another, usg-friendly one.
mircea_popescu: the usg is not going to like people fucking up its shit. that's not changing. google isn't going to start acting like anything but a usg agent. that's also not changing. what are teh staffers in question expect will happen, or expected will have happened ?
mats: replaced? schmidt has been a USG cocksucker since day 1
mircea_popescu: "us company subsisting out of us fed subsidies fails to implement usg policy. is replaced with different one, nobody notices the difference."
mircea_popescu: <decimation> because usg is too stupid to move to somewhere cheaper <>< nah, not how it works. wherever it moves, the bedbugs move there too. it won't stay cheaper.
asciilifeform: actually, usg ministries where no official secrets are involved - now routinely let folks grunt remotely
decimation: because usg is too stupid to move to somewhere cheaper
mats: mircea_popescu: but there are 11 judges with 0 cases and 12 with just 1. i'm now going through and reading every case involving USG, i've cleared ten judges this way, but the number of cases i've been able to find have been fairly low in number
decimation: time is a concern for bitcoin, and I suspect that 99% of your 'ntp' servers trace back to usg
asciilifeform: hence, the enthusiastic suckers of usg cock are faced with waging war on everything that distinguishes their country from african pisshole
asciilifeform: ^ sentenced for digging usg dirt without belonging to official mouthpiece media.
asciilifeform: (it was to concern the usg dept. of firmware-diddlers)
BingoBoingo: mats: Anyways since you declared allegiance to New Reno USG I have to assume polio USG is spending more then $100k per year chasing less than a prius in Buttstamp valued BTC.
mats: all this gloom about forest fires makes me nervous, i am a mere vassal of USG with insufficient rocket fuel
decimation: usg's failure to properly implement fire department radio encryption (not that it is needed) could have killed people http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/New-Radio-Encryption-May-Have-Stymied-Communication-in-Metro-Incident-289075111.html
asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2015/01/isc-biowar-kr-cn.pdf (scan) << usg use of bioweapons in kr war. detailed study.
mircea_popescu: an usg education is an economic substitute of an actual education, and margerine is an economic substitute for butter.
assbot: Successfully added a rating of -1 for gavinandresen with note: with note: pathetic usg muppet. tirelessly schemes to zimbabweize bitcoin in the name of 'inclusion.'
asciilifeform: !rate gavinandresen -1 with note: pathetic usg muppet. tirelessly schemes to zimbabweize bitcoin in the name of 'inclusion.'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it goes very well with the usg approach to target selection. which is the 'texas sharpshooter' algorithm.
asciilifeform: 'changetip,' as i understand, answers two usg desires: 1) injection of tard armies into bitcoin, fodder for gavinization 2) the old, tired 'let's put some names/faces/palmprints/arsebook histories on as many btc addrs as we can'
asciilifeform: incidentally, there was a time when usg did the 'strategic vc' thing more or less above-board. see 'in-q-tel.'
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: i was telling a friend the other night that the CIA/FBI acts as the USG mafia, but won't admit to being the mafia. Whereas KGB/Soviets said, "Yea we're the mob, watcha gonna do about it?"
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> any reason to doubt that the usg exchanges and other scum are 'on board' (for what that's worth) ? << it is going to be *fascinating* to see how coinbase et. al are going to handle this
Luke-Jr: you think the block size issue is USG-inspired? what do they have to gain from it?
mircea_popescu: it's so far 100% of the bitcoin "told the usg to get fucked" party. once you digest that you might be in a better position to evaluate who matters and who doesn't,
asciilifeform: Luke-Jr: you're still thinking in terms of persuasion. we don't need to persuade the usg stooge of anything.
asciilifeform: any reason to doubt that the usg exchanges and other scum are 'on board' (for what that's worth) ?
asciilifeform: soon we find out whether the button given to the usg shill is actually wired to anything ?
asciilifeform: 'financial discipline' was the imf standard pill for all of eastern europe all through the 90s << it meant, simply, 'privatization' by usg shills.
mircea_popescu: jurov no, not really. just in the parallel universe where usg matters.