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mircea_popescu: what i had in mind
phf is, automake runs on project, keeps track of every bit of itself that it actually called, then inserts a pruned down version of itself somewhere, so you can ship the software with THAT instead of the whole automake.
mircea_popescu:
phf i wonder if a "prune down to THIS codebase" function would be useful.
mircea_popescu:
phf yeah. i have a problem in that i want to impose eulora as standard for republic code ; but nevertheless automake IS a humongo pile of perl.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-22 00:57
phf: "Versions of GnuPG before 1.4.11 and 2.0.16 allowed to import bogus direct key signatures."
a111: Logged on 2016-08-22 00:24
phf: x1 carbon, original owner would run ubuntu on it with ~~6h when editing text
a111: Logged on 2016-08-21 00:59
phf: for all the jokes about russian vodka drinking, the amount of "functional alcoholism" i've seen in ussa is staggering. i literally cut contact with about 70% of my friends from my 20s, because they are slob alcoholics with no self control. so it's either health nuts who don't touch the stuff (or rarely) or else it's "50 minutes of квас and then race to the bottom" crowd
a111: Logged on 2016-08-20 20:43
phf: only thing i can't figure out with asciilifeform's killfile is how to get laptop to do apm related stuff. the main package depends on dbus
mircea_popescu:
phf dandys always end up faggots. it is the way of the world, ordained by orson scott welles.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-21 01:00
phf: also sop in i.t. "friday happy hours" at shitty bars until everyone's blacked out
a111: Logged on 2016-08-21 00:57
phf: but yeah self control is important, and i think a lot of people who do it through their lives turn into alcoholics
a111: Logged on 2016-08-21 00:53
phf: russians have a concept for it, "квасить" to drink socially in a controlled manner. failure at квас is seen as a character flaw. a grownup is supposed to go be able to go at it for like 5-6 hours without the embarrassing "passing out face first into the salad" eventual outcome. when you're in your 30s, you should be able to do it for 5-6 hours, then be able to freshen up and do work, etc.
BingoBoingo:
phf: At some point I had that ability and lost it later to multi day binges. That may or may not have contained 5-12 hour bouts of "civilized" drinking.
mod6: <+
phf> asciilifeform: i did, he said something about "this being work in progress and don't want to commit" or somesuch << i could regrind them, yeah. ideally, each who want to use these unexamined items should do so on their own accord, placing them in their patches directory as a "WILD" patch. Until the day when the foundation moves forward and folds them in after examination and testing.
☟︎ mod6: pposed to replace it <+
phf> instead. obviously this doesn't make for pretty graphs, so i don't upload it << yup. there's a planned vpatch for this. bunch of discussions. just been focusing my attention on trb build stuff lately.
mod6: <+
phf> there's periodically things that claim to be vpatches, but they don't have genesis. i think a notable example of that is v.pl, which has been published as v.pl, and then followed up by vpatches that are supposed to superseded each other rather than form a chain. generally i've seen that pattern a lot, people publish something, than publish a second vpatch, that doesn't build on previous vpatch, but su
mod6: i probably should also, update
phf.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> so if i want to publish a vpatch today, how do i go about it ? <+jurov> ofc you can send it to mailing list. and to
phf via deedbot, and maybe some other places i dunno? << i always just send mine to the ml
a111: Logged on 2016-08-20 14:16 jurov: ofc you can send it to mailing list. and to
phf via deedbot, and maybe some other places i dunno?
mircea_popescu: ah yeah, there's also deedbot process. how does that work again
phf ?
jurov: ofc you can send it to mailing list. and to
phf via deedbot, and maybe some other places i dunno?
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2016-08-19 18:40 mircea_popescu:
phf what the fuck is wrong with just flipping pages / adding more panels if flipping is THAT big a deal
mircea_popescu: often it actually is analyst-produced, because yes,
phf intuitscorrectly, the ~only thing a "process" in the sense of, bash window is, is a very cheap version of mazarin's informants. who wrote him letters. which he read... on a non-tiling display.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, yes,
phf has it, ~most if not all training for high performance human operator could be summarized as "how to merge multistream in your head"
mircea_popescu:
phf not like i'm saying it's verboten. heck, i fuck around with ipads on occasion. but sin does not change doctrine.
mircea_popescu:
phf what the fuck is wrong with just flipping pages / adding more panels if flipping is THAT big a deal
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2016-08-19 17:14
phf: the guy who invented tiling window managers (tuomo valkonen, he wrote Ion, that nobody probably remembers at this point), quit linux in 2005 or so over exactly these things. his pet peve was all the retardation that was going into x11 as part of linux on desktop movement. of course back then people laughed at him, etc.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-19 17:04
phf: you just forgot how it was in '98. you now have wider range of available shit, so it's the snr that has changed. there was definitely a peak free software where available range also had max hacker value, i.e. intangible quality of buildable, inspectable, etc. but before that free software was kind of shit with a lot of dyi required.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-19 16:56
phf: well, i'm more interested in mechanics of it all, since i don't believe in lizard hitler. do thugs of both camps meet at the canteen and measure each other up? are they going to embrace mutual scam wholeheartedly? are they going to try and undermine each other in subtle ways?
mircea_popescu: specifically pinging trinque
phf bingoboingo mod6 asciilifeform davout jurov ben_vulpes mike_c
ben_vulpes: (
phf would likely add datomic to the list)
shinohai: At least
phf has priorities straight
ben_vulpes:
phf: tbqh i was considering setting up a trilema style cookie l2 could get their hands on that would keep pastes around
mircea_popescu:
phf really, saving logged links has ~nothing to do with the (imo correct) functionality of pastes expiring
phf: $s from:
phf rX0ONv1IyCoB
mircea_popescu:
phf an auto-archive for links would be so cool right about now...
a111: Logged on 2016-08-17 21:30
phf: i believe, that there's a man, somewhere in the bowels of meta-nsa, who can see the entire puzzle picture
a111: Logged on 2016-08-17 17:13
phf: Framedragger: i was young and a bum, i recognized all these people because my entertainment machine would reinforce their presence for me. "oh jwz is talking. oh now it's ptacek. oh it's paul graham! squee". but they were always in a different category from say norvig or knuth or naggum. once i started doing and learning (i.e. painfully read knuth, rather than just have him on my shelf) i finally was able to grok the difference.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-17 17:33
phf: but when i made it to the first startup school, my reaction was "nerds trying to be businessmen, stick to doing nerd things". it took me many years to understand how their fundamental views made them not only suck at life, but also fucked up the computing.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-17 16:43
phf: mircea_popescu: in orcland, we have game, we put colored pants on people, and let them be our heroes. their pants distinguish their status in hierarchy
a111: Logged on 2016-08-17 17:00
phf: right, it's sort of a more sophisticated version of alice bot
Framedragger:
phf: probably ~7 years ago, give or take; i predict what you're going to say: in 2009, he was already spewing too much nonsense
mircea_popescu: now, to be perfectly clear, i'm not either accusing or suspecting x guy of this, chiefly because i don't imagine he has the resources. nevertheless,
phf's objection is much harder to reject than superficially appears.
Framedragger:
phf: i'm curious, what was it that made you to originally regard tptacek highly? was it his words/discussions (and then later you decided that it's the only stuff that the man has actually produced - a fair point i guess, if you dismiss the crypto challenges, for example)?
Framedragger:
phf: so you don't regard matasano crypto challenges as anything worthy, then?
Framedragger:
phf: yes, true, i know, but for some mp is "person who wrote lots of important text"
Framedragger:
phf: bashing and critique of shitty crypto projects, calling out their authors (see discussions between tptacek and kaepora or however the other dood's nick is spelled) - they're a valuable public service
Framedragger:
phf: but he did produce a valuable corpus of comments on HN, incl. decisive critique of cryptocat, etc etc
Framedragger:
phf: matasano crypto challenges and the new crypto ctf thing he and others did (i didn't try it) are a great public service; i mean the challenges start simple in the beginning but if one followed them to the end, actual reading of recent crypto papers would be required etc.; surely that counts as something? he didn't pioneer anything in crypto, sure.
mircea_popescu:
phf in fairness, digging too deep into english space "authority" is never well advised. trump turns into "guy who ~squandered inheritance" for eg.
mircea_popescu: maybe alf's mp-generator dun work too well, but lo and behold - my
phf-parser dun work half as much!
a111: Logged on 2016-07-22 12:20 mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-21#1508508 << how about it
phf, see the merit of having a111 archive.is every link it sees, downloading the zip and then presenting a [cached] [saved] pair of links after the line ?
mircea_popescu:
phf the only problem is that i want the comment to also be in there.
mircea_popescu:
phf they COULD just have made that "Comment" in some serialization and did the fp over it like i propose and been scott free.