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shinohai: I don't mind, typing @ noobs = job security.

mircea_popescu: besides, i don't vote ; i just publish articles.

Yipdard: i said frenchs, not fucking algerians, don't like them

a111: Logged on 2016-09-01 12:31 shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-01#1532863 <<< too much bickering over what trigger characters to use, so don't blame me. I just tried to make nice things.

shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-01#1532863 <<< too much bickering over what trigger characters to use, so don't blame me. I just tried to make nice things. ☝︎☟︎

mircea_popescu: also there's a major problem with abstract criteria. i for instance don't grasp recursion.

mircea_popescu: well actually maybe you don't know, wtf do i know. but anyway, there's a very peculiar thing people/kids do when the inconceivable happens ; like joe di maggio walks into dunkin donuts

mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160830/from:516/to:516#516 << you seriously don't see the precariousness of this ? if i tomorrow hire a stripper to go to their house and dance until they make it all be in a ruby gem in java, they'll do that, too ?

mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160830/from:450/to:450#450 << i don't think the guy personally has any voice into this whatsoever. see also http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160830/from:256/to:256#256 on this topic. basically, there's a very fat, dumb man walking around, and it tried to sit on a chair named eth which caught fire. the fat man still wants to sit, and monero is the one thing looking most like a chair available. it WILL si

Framedragger: does, uh, your irc client add a spurious byte just for kicks, or wtf. hm. i also know there are multiple long hyphens / shorter dashes in unicode, maybe some of them don't get recognized by these shit systems

g_l: I don't know how you expect to get there without going through a complete CLX backend first.

g_l: If you're not interested in CLIM, don't bother. I'm not here to convince you of its utility.

BingoBoingo: <Framedragger> OT: i don't suspect anyone's got any suggestions for a wordpress theme to use (minimalist, gonna be ~3 pages in total, no comment box) for showcasing a newly published (non-electronic) book? << Toolbox. Just delete the comment boxes and other shit. Small theme so easy to fidn everything you want/need to delete.

mod6: i was like, "don't be afraid to squeeze that thing hard."

mircea_popescu: i dun think it ever took me more than a few days to pay for a month of costa rica or whatever, and this if i was particularly persuaded by the "don't eat from capitals" balabusta angle that month.

Framedragger: OT: i don't suspect anyone's got any suggestions for a wordpress theme to use (minimalist, gonna be ~3 pages in total, no comment box) for showcasing a newly published (non-electronic) book?

mircea_popescu: "if you're not the customer you're the product" "oh yeah, i understand that now" "no you don't" "o look, i hadn't understood it". either you pay, or else you're getting married. these are the options. stop confusing yourself.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't get it, so like, "electric car recharging" ? in the sense that i'd whitelabel it off him ?

mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160830/from:158/to:158#158 << it's not clear to me what "clim support" does for a website ; i am certainly not going to expend marketing resources on some item i don't own. this last bit is particularly pernicious, incidentally - is this clim thing even breaking the law ? why the fuck am i supposed to confuse a bunch of usg-tools for my own men ?

mircea_popescu: i don't think you understand how the cruel world works.

BingoBoingo: "We somehow weren't reading the same text or somesuch, I don't seem to recall any bullying going on at Taft. Elliot is hereby docked one bullying claim." << Similarly he referred to his ass kicking as bullying when it was merely the result of little bitch drinking above his station.

mircea_popescu: the behaviour is universally called "corruption" in the state-owned press. because they loathe it. but whenever you close an economic circle with the tools of the state against or in spite of the state, you win. which is why i always bribe trafic cops, and don't even live in places where people generally don't.

Framedragger: besides, the cops as force decoupled from very shitty state != the cops as they currently exist. i don't trust the fucking state to manage them, and next time i write about how shit it is i don't want to expect a buncha these dudes to break in and "teach me a lesson in being putin spy by criticizing our great country".

mircea_popescu: as to first, i don't think anyone can seriously argue that present day us has anything to do with the historical item that won ww2. as to second, now is flexible, 5 years,

asciilifeform: Framedragger: i use wp, and have never used mysql, and don't intend to.

mircea_popescu: and don't even fucking "oh i'll v them later". the whole point of v is to teach you how to code like a sane person.

mircea_popescu: Framedragger ok, don't bother, i'll just re-redo the fucking references. and you'll have to re-redo them in the log itself also. but that'll be it.

Framedragger: you mean permalinks to any given irc line? no. i don't know how phf's numbers work but can probably dig it out

Framedragger: meanwhile the fella in question starts saying "he was too *tame*", and (sic) "in soviet times the guy would have had it so much worse!!" (with glee, etc.) (i don't know, this is kinda kusturica-like to me)

BingoBoingo: <covertress> i don't know if you've heard or care but, my network was attacked http://cryptohustle.com/krypton-recovers-from-a-new-type-of-51-network-attack << made it to qntra http://qntra.net/2016/08/not-quite-news-roundup-xtend-3-tmr/

mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i don't.,

covertress: i don't know if you've heard or care but, my network was attacked http://cryptohustle.com/krypton-recovers-from-a-new-type-of-51-network-attack

diana_coman: I don't think it has to do with changing him

diana_coman: similarly one second he is supposedly totally and absolutely disgusted with his father (ftr I don't know who wouldn't by the sounds of it) and the next second he makes friends again because... he has been asked to by his nan

mircea_popescu: i don't think you understand how this works.

asciilifeform: i don't partake in the 'aristotelian' notion of correctness - 'do this because fella with a beard 3 metres long said it to be correct'. gotta show example of the kind of disaster one might arrive at via the incorrectness.

phf: asciilifeform: i don't know what that was, i'll have to read the log/code but probably sometime later tonight. fwiw it reconnects

mircea_popescu: if - for instance, and do not reduce to merely this - 1 and 3 answer in 200ms and 2 answers in 600ms, i have my answer don't i.

a111: Logged on 2016-08-26 13:04 phf: i don't think there's a solution to drowned in sibyl's in general. there's a cost to validating counterparty (which is continuous in case of gossipd, there's no "validate the ip, and then trust it" which is what i mean by "no trust in ip"), which can be exploited by attacker.

phf: i don't think i meant it in lj sense. i was thinking maldoror specifically, he said something like that in the first chapter

mircea_popescu: trinque ironically, for a long time in [the very repressive, and otherwise bizarre] austro-hungarian society, little girls thought they were castrated. literally, that ancient trick of "i stole your nose" that amuses 3yos ; they thought someone took their penis, which is why they don't look like boys.

a111: Logged on 2016-08-26 12:50 phf: it can be construed as trust if you don't anything beyond what i said, so i also said that there's no trust. of course that's only my interpretation and asciilifeform can provide his own

phf: i don't think there's a solution to drowned in sibyl's in general. there's a cost to validating counterparty (which is continuous in case of gossipd, there's no "validate the ip, and then trust it" which is what i mean by "no trust in ip"), which can be exploited by attacker. ☟︎

phf: if i tell you "go to such and such place and then once you're there do another validation" you don't have to trust that "such and such place" is valid purely by being there

phf: it can be construed as trust if you don't anything beyond what i said, so i also said that there's no trust. of course that's only my interpretation and asciilifeform can provide his own ☟︎

a111: Logged on 2016-08-26 01:10 phf: adlai: i think gossip spec is fine, just nobody took it to release. asciilifeform has significant changes to the spec, but if you ignore those you can still build a working implementation. in fact, unless you're ascii, i think it's better to ignore further discussion and just stick to what mp wrote. i also think it's one of those ideas you don't want nailed down at protocol level. mine for example slings gpg packets

BingoBoingo: I don't airport.

mircea_popescu: not so. i don't believe he biologically had a complete set of mechanisms. there was nothign for him.

phf: adlai: i think gossip spec is fine, just nobody took it to release. asciilifeform has significant changes to the spec, but if you ignore those you can still build a working implementation. in fact, unless you're ascii, i think it's better to ignore further discussion and just stick to what mp wrote. i also think it's one of those ideas you don't want nailed down at protocol level. mine for example slings gpg packets ☟︎

phf: asciilifeform: fwiw, cmucl has all kinds of nooks and crannies that i don't want to bring up on account of our recurring "why cmucl" conversation ☟︎

a111: Logged on 2016-08-25 14:45 mircea_popescu: this is because you also don't grasp the concept of "learning" correctly. there is no required participation of the fucking subject in learning actual matter, such as philosophy. if i were teaching them cooking i'd be interested in their own fucking contribution and whatever. but the point of philosophy is to shut the fuck up and LEARN. what "the text makes you think" and what "you feel about X" is entirely uninteresting, bec

phf: BingoBoingo: the whole group was like a walking stereotype. a tall sickly looking polish guy with bowl haircut. an italian with unruly hair who was pretending to be an upper-class englishman. i don't think i've ever seen them sober, i suspect they were pretty dull otherwise

mircea_popescu: this is because you also don't grasp the concept of "learning" correctly. there is no required participation of the fucking subject in learning actual matter, such as philosophy. if i were teaching them cooking i'd be interested in their own fucking contribution and whatever. but the point of philosophy is to shut the fuck up and LEARN. what "the text makes you think" and what "you feel about X" is entirely uninteresting, bec ☟︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-24#1528973 << i don't understand how you think gpg works. explain this to me ? ☝︎

mircea_popescu: phf i don't want to hide anything.

mircea_popescu: diana_coman i don't buy nero-the-historical-character either ; but my point is that the description of him from ancient sources hostile is mendacious in a certain way, which certain way supports my view in that it makes it plain the ancients were aware of the type.

diana_coman: the last part I suspect is just that they don't meaningfully talk or actually interact with anybody simply

diana_coman: I suppose I don't have the same amount of patience with spiders; and certainly no qualms killing them if they don't get out of the way; I read about half the first part and then really skipped through it and still felt that I lost too much of my time on it

phf: what i don't understand is where all the "cool kids" are during summer break? why not go play with them then so you don't have to catch up every time?

znort987: so fully aware. also don't have a dog in this fight. like I said was trying to see how the wot worked and gave rating where I felt they were due

felipelalli: asciilifeform: I know :p but I don't know znc just died.

asciilifeform: i see 'coloured coin' as a fundamentally distinct type of chumpatron, 'let's monetize blue Turbo chewing gum wrappers!1111' 'and oh btw i totally don't have a shoebox full of blue'

mircea_popescu: i don't see how you can be forced to store txn you dun wanna.

BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I don't think there was a time since I came into communion with the proto-republic where it wasn't the case.

thestringpuller: lol "we're combing the desert" i always thought the afro pick was a nice touch. they don't make movies like that anymore.

mircea_popescu: don't feel too bad, i got a lot of experience with this on slavegirls

felipelalli: mircea_popescu: you don't know how to hide these annoying messages in your client? I am not doing this purposely. Or it is the network, or I turned my notebook off and on again.

danielpbarron: I mean, if you don't believe, then marry or don't, it's not like adhering to the rules without faith is worth anything

phf: those people ~spend~. i mean they make the most money to put them in what used to be middle class bracket, but they don't spend it on houses and cars. instead on vaxen

phf: but no it's just a special kind of mindset, i don't know how to else call it but people who are into "retrohardware". there's a pecking order there between "i have an amiga and a macintosh" and "i have a vax, a pdp, a ..."

danielpbarron: BingoBoingo, I don't understand your logic here. Even your criticism of znort's reputation is addressed in my copy. But whatever I'll just post it on my own blog

phf: asciilifeform: nobody's asking you, this is for people who want a fixer-upper. you don't want to use cmucl either, because it's half baked. it does feel just a tad "i just want to", but i can't necessarily fault you for it

phf: bordeaux-threads stopped building with my asdf1, i checked, someone hardcoded >3.11 check, with ~no purpose for it~. next thing i know i read "<jackdaniel> [04:44:30] but don't use clim's mp, I've reimplemented it on top of bordeaux-thread just for backward compatibility" on #clim

mircea_popescu: i thought it said so in the linux manual cca 1996, "linux can not be run without swap. don't even try."

phf: speaking of wordpress, mysql keeps consistently crashing. i don't think i've had a unix daemon crash on me in the recent memory, this is a first

mircea_popescu: i don't necessarily dispute that he THOUGHT about it for many years. but there's a profound difference between these two things. psychological first of all.

mircea_popescu: accept that or don't, i dun particularly care nor does in fact have any effects. but history is history, rather than fantasy.

shinohai: I like phf's setup, it is simple to go in and find which patches I need/don't need.

mircea_popescu: i don;t follow.

mircea_popescu: i don't even understand why does it parse rather than compile, for instance. seems a very nutty design decision.

phf: "i don't like it"

a111: Logged on 2016-08-21 00:59 phf: for all the jokes about russian vodka drinking, the amount of "functional alcoholism" i've seen in ussa is staggering. i literally cut contact with about 70% of my friends from my 20s, because they are slob alcoholics with no self control. so it's either health nuts who don't touch the stuff (or rarely) or else it's "50 minutes of квас and then race to the bottom" crowd

phf: you know, i don't think i've actually checked bios come to think of it

phf: i don't remember if i got hybernate to work, but my immediate problem was abysmal battery life on literally single emacs buffer and no daemons

mircea_popescu: it's not that i don't understand the parts.

mircea_popescu: anyway. i fear that the great cvas society went the way of the cafe society decades prior. people just don't get out enough / maintain social circle enough / whatever for it to wkr.

phf: for all the jokes about russian vodka drinking, the amount of "functional alcoholism" i've seen in ussa is staggering. i literally cut contact with about 70% of my friends from my 20s, because they are slob alcoholics with no self control. so it's either health nuts who don't touch the stuff (or rarely) or else it's "50 minutes of квас and then race to the bottom" crowd ☟︎

phf: mod6: i don't think you understood what we were saying, but certainly nobody's expecting you to grind vpatches as a "service to others", so please don't

mod6: <+phf> asciilifeform: i did, he said something about "this being work in progress and don't want to commit" or somesuch << i could regrind them, yeah. ideally, each who want to use these unexamined items should do so on their own accord, placing them in their patches directory as a "WILD" patch. Until the day when the foundation moves forward and folds them in after examination and testing. ☟︎

mod6: pposed to replace it <+phf> instead. obviously this doesn't make for pretty graphs, so i don't upload it << yup. there's a planned vpatch for this. bunch of discussions. just been focusing my attention on trb build stuff lately.

mod6: <+phf> there's periodically things that claim to be vpatches, but they don't have genesis. i think a notable example of that is v.pl, which has been published as v.pl, and then followed up by vpatches that are supposed to superseded each other rather than form a chain. generally i've seen that pattern a lot, people publish something, than publish a second vpatch, that doesn't build on previous vpatch, but su

phf: asciilifeform: i did, he said something about "this being work in progress and don't want to commit" or somesuch

phf: instead. obviously this doesn't make for pretty graphs, so i don't upload it

phf: there's periodically things that claim to be vpatches, but they don't have genesis. i think a notable example of that is v.pl, which has been published as v.pl, and then followed up by vpatches that are supposed to superseded each other rather than form a chain. generally i've seen that pattern a lot, people publish something, than publish a second vpatch, that doesn't build on previous vpatch, but supposed to replace it

phf: fwiw my entire system is poll based. i literally don't have any notifications, all are disabled. "i look when i look"

asciilifeform: i don't actually disagree with ^

mircea_popescu: "i don't need grenade pin safety for anything" "put grenade in your ass, pull it out by pin and write back"

a111: Logged on 2016-08-19 16:56 phf: well, i'm more interested in mechanics of it all, since i don't believe in lizard hitler. do thugs of both camps meet at the canteen and measure each other up? are they going to embrace mutual scam wholeheartedly? are they going to try and undermine each other in subtle ways?

asciilifeform: i don't recall it in the logz