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mp_en_viaje: and btw, why doesn't the qntra select work, i have to use archive / ☟︎
asciilifeform: not long ago went and saw what the 'students' do ~here~, wasn't so diff
asciilifeform: ( unlike e.g. mp_en_viaje , wouldn't notice the broken clubs etc )
mp_en_viaje: can't even get to the end of they begging on hands and knees in ten lives, what terraformic.
mp_en_viaje: just, money doesn;'t fix idiots, no.
asciilifeform: iirc mp_en_viaje showed up in argentinistan with railcar of green, didn't help any moar than in any other sovok
BingoBoingo: Anyways if it isn't one thing with the internet of shit it is another. Packet weather's one thing. But for all the derp about encrypting the DNS... routers routinely eat unsigned route batches
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, i suspect you might be very right re the oil. we used to think the problem ruining argentina was you know, heat. "it never freezes here, of course they're all bums". but norway freezes plenty -- so i kinda don't see the heat theory anymore.
a111: Logged on 2019-06-25 15:01 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-25#1919971 << lol, can't resist to ask, didja file complaint against whole city, for being fulla criminally insane lolcows ?
mp_en_viaje: in other lulz : they have reindeer pelts for sale in one of these revolting "souvenirs" to take home so as to pretend like norway isn't a complete shithole thatshould be glassed.. costs ~two pelts to pay for a cab ride to the airport.
BingoBoingo: Well, can't make poverty a free option
mp_en_viaje: you have to register PHONE with polizei. literally, can get sim but will not work in any phone not sold in norway and can't have mobile in norway other than like typewriters in ye olde soviet lands.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-25#1919971 << lol, can't resist to ask, didja file complaint against whole city, for being fulla criminally insane lolcows ? ☝︎☟︎
mp_en_viaje: it's a large building, with the jail together and everything. but unlike say chicago or w/e, you go therre you don't see the line of cute girlies sobbing quietly seated by the wall ; nor the buncha doods holding their guts
mp_en_viaje: yeah, very mild. they don't do the whole preceinct system seen in civilised / urban places. instead the thing ("policehouse") covers... the whole of oslo police district
diana_coman: can't age cheese, can't make wild yeast, wtf
mp_en_viaje: this matters, a lot. also can't age cheese there.
mp_en_viaje: cook won't come lol. but yes.
mp_en_viaje: nah, they don't klnow how to do it.
diana_coman: I was quite surprised at that thing - wtf fly bread from italy all the way to cr; I mean: why wouldn't they be able to bake it on the spot and even better at that? it must be easier to fly the grains/flour if anything but other than that ffs it's just flour and water; can even fly water if needed
mp_en_viaje: and i don't fucking buy it, either, because wtf, the harem bakes. but it's ~good~.
mp_en_viaje: there's no fucking rule you can't fly in fresh italian bread ffs. my grocery shop in cr does precisely that.
mp_en_viaje: in london's just a case of "if you don't specifically seek the good stuff, you'll get crap", like in the us midwest
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, incidentally, that was EARLY. it got way the fuck worse later, so much worse in fact the thing kept spinning on itself. this very placid police officer was patrolling the place, discovered he can't pass... just ... no problem, turned back.
a111: Logged on 2019-06-24 03:55 ave1: trinque, doesn't cuntoo with default gcc also build it with some mystery meat? it probably starts out on a host with gcc?
asciilifeform: bvt: it isn't actually a given that comba is even needed at all, with asmistic 64x64 mul
asciilifeform: ( interestingly, this does ~not~ work out to a 'runs at effectively 1/30th the native clock', on acct of this effect. but i won't spoil this yet.) ☝︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-23#1919694 << prolly i oughta elaborate. in case wasn't clear, i've a ~12kB x64 proggy that boots a mostly-stock linux 3.x kernel, with uart as only device. which means that applications like this are theoretically possible, when i get back to this subj. ☝︎☝︎
asciilifeform: meanwhile in heathendom, 'Canonical's decision to cease development of 32-bit libraries in Ubuntu 19.10 "eoan" means it won't support Steam gaming runtime and devs say the Wine compatibility layer for running Windows apps will be little use.'
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i can't resist to ask, why went to oslo ? what's there, other than tomb of naggum ? ( i dun even know where it is, cannot help to either piss on it or to put flower )
diana_coman: some will queue for anything; and anyways, not sure if "piling for cabs" is much better otherwise (e.g. Rome) though indeed I can't quite see why would there be such a lack of cabs in Oslo
mp_en_viaje: i don't know that i can explain what an utter piece of shit oslo is.
ave1: trinque, doesn't cuntoo with default gcc also build it with some mystery meat? it probably starts out on a host with gcc? ☟︎
trinque: actually makes sense, I guess it means the libc wasn't found, but it's unclear when it happens
trinque: hm, in reading it, it looks like this pulls a mysterymeat tarball from your server and unpacks it, but doesn't build anything
a111: Logged on 2019-06-20 13:13 mircea_popescu: well so let's see here : i can't play, because after sinking however many hours in chasing dependencies and fixing assorted if widely distributed breakage the end story is that "foss" has managed to really give the whole game away -- there is ONE chain, consisting of play on linux so-and-so using wine-so-and-so on ubuntu this-and-that, and you pray it works -- because if it doesn't work, THAT IS IT, "there was an error" li
bvt: asciilifeform: perhaps i could get a bit better performance after scrutinizing multiplication code a bit; however i don't think it'll get much faster with current code structure
a111: Logged on 2019-06-23 21:34 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-23#1919680 << fwiw asciilifeform has not used 'portage' in year+ -- the heathen portage finally 100% broke then. ( 'updated' on the gentooist end, so that no longer agrees to build ~anything~ without 'new profile', and won't install 'new profile' because hard-contravenes asciilifeform's poetteringisms ban list... )
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-23#1919680 << fwiw asciilifeform has not used 'portage' in year+ -- the heathen portage finally 100% broke then. ( 'updated' on the gentooist end, so that no longer agrees to build ~anything~ without 'new profile', and won't install 'new profile' because hard-contravenes asciilifeform's poetteringisms ban list... ) ☝︎☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-23#1919594 << can't speak for others, but often enuff asciilifeform needs 2-3 log passes to grasp $thread ☝︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919583 << asciilifeform doesn't publish products that require rubber bands. ( this is a double-edged sword, asciilifeform has large pile of items he does not consider publication-grade, and hasn't the resources to bring up to it, but can live with this ) ☝︎
mp_en_viaje: whole fucking interest for us here is to do ~something~ (not entirely known what exactly yet) so that we... don't fucking need portage ever again.
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-17#1914461 << this wasn't a throwaway comment, nor was it an insult to anybody. lords, or simply strapping dudes looking to score, better be holding coin at the end of the day. ☝︎
mp_en_viaje: obviously, on some level, there's only so many hours in the day, whether one works or doesn't, still there's a finite time.
a111: Logged on 2019-06-23 06:55 mircea_popescu: and so no, what worries me isn't that http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919296 ; what worries me is htat the last item in http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22trinque.org%22 is from 2018, and that trinque.org doesn't load today like deedbot.org didn't load yest, when i wanted to check the helpfile and ended up loading it from archive.is ;
trinque: broadly, because I haven't yet extracted enough of the inflationary fruits of the former into coin.
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-23#1919603 << for my part, this directly correlates to irl rope-pushing without which I wouldn't have what on which to type. this is perhaps disqualifying, and I'll leave that for others to say. ☝︎
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, but basically, it's running the same thing from 2018 ; and the reason it doesnt move is that a) we couldn't give less of a shit about ebuilds while b) we can't easily change the pile of dependencies to live with musl and so yet haven't.
spyked: line-per-line annotation sounds like a neat idea, but I don't have anything like that going
mircea_popescu: you also can publish on your own fucking schedule, just don't hang yourself in your own petard.
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919220 <-- well, I can't in all good faith sign and publish the item before I understand it well enough to maintain it myself -- for the same money, I could just claim "use the version on shithub" and be done with that. I agree 100% that I should do small regular updates, but in this case breaking the thing into its constituent parts is the challenge, and "hunchentoot arc ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-01-04 17:18 mircea_popescu: why the fuck didn't i think of that.
diana_coman: I rather saw it as "can't do this alone, need help but won't ask because it should come naturally"
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, this is like slavegirl saying "i don;'t understand why not ask detailedly for tongue movements and assorted shenanigans". she gets punished if jher bj is subpar because i don't have the fucking patience to micromanage blowjobs. it'd be like writing the book im about to read, if i wrote it what sorta discovery is this!
diana_coman: oh, I don't know if it's re self-worth; rather interpreting the "not fully load-in-head" as "not read"
diana_coman: what I don't understand is why not ask specifically if one would like detailed feedback on some bit/part they struggle with
mircea_popescu: and so no, what worries me isn't that http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919296 ; what worries me is htat the last item in http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22trinque.org%22 is from 2018, and that trinque.org doesn't load today like deedbot.org didn't load yest, when i wanted to check the helpfile and ended up loading it from archive.is ; ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: whereas usg.blue reads not-at-all, never ever no matter what ; and usg.red reads always-aforehand. both of these idiocies, equally idiotic as they find themselves, are therefore always found in some uneasy truce. but you can't properly notate "read on 2nd pass" as "didn't read" or "won't read".
mircea_popescu: because the republic's a practice, not a "narrative" aka daydream. fundamentally, what distinguishes us from the github hipster / foss moron / entire collected pile of avortons looking for their abortion from "the bay area" & portland to eudemocracia and beyond is that we don't read on the first pass, BUT ON THE SEC
mircea_popescu: this isn't because "we're building housing for the sort of braindead morons who literally can not avoid walking into fire", but because "holy shit, spending life avoiding spurious pitfalls is such a sad way to go about things".
mircea_popescu: now, if you wish for your takeaway from this to be "hanbot is not cool enough to run cuntoo" that's your priviledge, but i tell you i don't see the wisdom. for the same money you could say you never read the damned scripts, and butress the claim on eg http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-06#1893199 ☝︎
mircea_popescu: there's on one hand the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-23#1837434 / http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-27#1875247 / http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-04#1917021 story arch, spanning a year. there's also the http://thewhet.net/2019/02/hanbots-cuntoo-bake-test-notes-part-i/ http://thewhet.net/2019/02/hanbots-cuntoo-bake-test-notes-part-ii/ http://thewhet.net/2019/03/hanbots-cuntoo-bake-test-notes-part-iii-with-prep-script/ http://t ☝︎☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-06-22 16:43 asciilifeform: re: loose ends: fwiw asciilifeform did in fact add the final missing piece to mipstron. BUT! can't test with the dummkopf's orig linux image as he... guess wat, his system had little-endian word accesses but big-endian byte read/write ! so his image in fact will boot on NO existing mips, nor any afaik other emulator.
mircea_popescu: you don't mean "pls try again" as in, issue command again ? as opposed to "put !!v strings in again" ? do you ?
mircea_popescu: trinque, do me a favour and also encrypt to http://wot.deedbot.org/208FE107E970F53262C4951232992F13CFA6CD06.asc so i don't have to wake up the girls to do ahlf hour of typing for me again
trinque: this is a "forward-looking statement" eh? I don't disagree with it
mircea_popescu: why can't it be exactly what it is now ?
mircea_popescu: well, wouldn't this be better than just moving everything over to portage ?
mircea_popescu: so is rather the problem that v-tron doesn't come with the right toolkit ? should get a tar and an interface for make ?
asciilifeform: this resembles asciilifeform's orig. argument against having to write vtron -- 'just press the fucking patches by hand, lazy people'. but mircea_popescu didn't buy it then, so had to write vtron.
mircea_popescu: at the very rock bottom of this : the ~deal~ of portage is that it installs things for you without you necessarily understanding why. this is the pay-off, yes, "you don't have to be concerned with every little detail" or however it goes. and the cost for this is, that you don't get to understand how it installs things for you. because ultimately, you don't, whether you want to or not entirely immaterial, ungermane an' spur
mircea_popescu: that also wouldn't be a trb server, practically speaking.\
trinque: my contention is there won't be gentoo to speak of in that world, which is desirable, and far ahead yet.
mircea_popescu: so then don't go at me with "calibers" and other such selg-aggrandizing nonsense, mr alchemist man.
mircea_popescu: the fundamental problem here is the implicit dwim-ism involved in "i don't have a vax/dec/cuisinart, i have a COMPUTER, as in the abstract"
mircea_popescu: just the "merely not liking rain doesn't turn off the storm" portion of it.
mircea_popescu: because it doesn't seem like so much of an idea to me.
mircea_popescu: don't tell me your idea is "ifdefism only acceptable if done by hand"
mircea_popescu: i can't explain it. hence "personally"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: can't resist to ask, wai
mircea_popescu: all this said, i don't believe if someone wrote an ebuilds for say ffa they'd thereby degrade ffa.
trinque: I can see the continuous symbolic space mircea_popescu wants, but the cuntoo thing was exactly "capture these packages before they can't even be built anymore" plus a snapshot of a working build toolchain to do so.
mircea_popescu: v notion of dependency isn't "package" based.
mircea_popescu: i don't think it permits the notion of "package". but it will press to your intended destination, all leaves up to it.
trinque: I don't see how v denotes "build A, then B, then C package"
mircea_popescu: bvt i don't think it's wasted either ; and for that matter came off too strong on the side of whatever my point was there.
trinque: I don't know of any minorityreportronic extension to the thing
trinque: but at any rate, none of the above is a counterargument to the "republic does things, or isn't."
a111: Logged on 2019-06-22 16:41 bvt: mircea_popescu: i guess that there two components in your question. the easy is ffa: is agree that my ffa-related output is underwhelming for a lord, however 1) i don't expect that it will eat much more time (at ch.14 i'll see if there is really need for further asming, the anticipated answer is "not really") 2) i find speedup from asming generally useful, so i don't think the time i spent on it is wasted.
asciilifeform: re: loose ends: fwiw asciilifeform did in fact add the final missing piece to mipstron. BUT! can't test with the dummkopf's orig linux image as he... guess wat, his system had little-endian word accesses but big-endian byte read/write ! so his image in fact will boot on NO existing mips, nor any afaik other emulator. ☝︎☟︎☟︎
bvt: the hard part is 'fiat overlord' and being able to dedicate stable amounts of time to republican work, for this i don't have an acceptable answer.
bvt: mircea_popescu: i guess that there two components in your question. the easy is ffa: is agree that my ffa-related output is underwhelming for a lord, however 1) i don't expect that it will eat much more time (at ch.14 i'll see if there is really need for further asming, the anticipated answer is "not really") 2) i find speedup from asming generally useful, so i don't think the time i spent on it is wasted. ☟︎
Mocky: asciilifeform: thanks. and why couldn't think, distractions?
a111: Logged on 2019-06-22 06:47 mp_en_viaje: we have no workable bitcoin nor any sort or kind of measurable progress towards one ; we have no working os, and not only is there no progress towards one but as best as i can discern the situation's rather turning in the direction of "buried in concrete" ; we eminently do not have any sort of meat acquisition system going, while pizarro can't get customers and all dpb can be bothered to do is ~USE IT~ to try and get meat for th
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919162 << can't speak for other folx, but asciilifeform wrote 7 ch. of ffa thus far in '19 (featuring errything to do with primes, and all of peh, plus tutorials on the latter) and expect to wrap up 8th (# 20) before june is out. ☝︎☟︎
diana_coman: danielpbarron: wouldn't it be more useful to run some irc servers of your own?
mp_en_viaje: one gotta train, yes, out of the question such a prince naseem idiocy as the figther who doesn't train. but training alone does not make the pie.
mp_en_viaje: we have no workable bitcoin nor any sort or kind of measurable progress towards one ; we have no working os, and not only is there no progress towards one but as best as i can discern the situation's rather turning in the direction of "buried in concrete" ; we eminently do not have any sort of meat acquisition system going, while pizarro can't get customers and all dpb can be bothered to do is ~USE IT~ to try and get meat for th ☟︎
mp_en_viaje: leaving aside how a rate of progress of 0 items / week for week after week after livelong week puts extremely low demands on my time and attention -- far, far from requiring it be a central locus of my focus, republican 2019 as seen so far would have worked just as well if i gave it an hour biweekly, and i don't mean twice a week, i mean every other week -- there's just no need to keep the engine running on big brutus for the "j ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2019-06-10 20:39 phf: craziest thing, i forgot my gpg password for about 5 days. was walking around trying to remember parts of it, obviously couldn't get access to anything meanwhile