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shinohai: Now I have like 2-3 days of logs to catch up on, been buried in man pages for past 72 hours.
mod6: asciilifeform: Started that perf test lastnight @ about 12am. should take ~2.7 days to complete.
lobbesbot: mod6: 2.77777777778
asciilifeform: and additionally if he wants FGs in the 2, how many in each ( the max that fits comfortably is 2 ) , and they must then be subtracted from the inventory.
asciilifeform: 1 (dulap) disked; other 2 want disks ( can be filled within 2-3 days after mp writes in re what he wants in'em )
ben_vulpes: well you've got the 1 machine that's ready to ship right now, dulap yhes? and then of the 2 remaining diskless gotta a) get disk in 'em and b) get mircea_popescu to okay their installation
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: this 1 slot, this is after 2 (of 3 queued) snsa crates ?
asciilifeform: quasi-relatedly, seems like BingoBoingo has already not 1 but 2 working and synced trb nodez
asciilifeform: in lulz*2, the last link in 1st para of 'rs-16' goes to a ... 'This video is no longer available because the YouTube account associated with this video has been terminated.'
diana_coman: but I suppose asciilifeform's obv is correct in that a.2 is missing still
diana_coman: and apparently you can supply a.1; missing a.2
diana_coman: so a.1 is technical capable person a.2 business capable person
phf: i missed the "estimated from l1/2" bit
ben_vulpes: i pulled 2834.06/mo from http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/02/03/pricing-information-fun-with-numbers/ , estimated some 1.7k in rental subscriptions from l1/2
phf: ben_vulpes: it's $1423 for 20/200 pipe and $900 for 2.5KW rack (his pipe is effectively 18/183)
mircea_popescu: something in the vein of "1. people dying is something too harsh for [my meagre powers] to consider ; 2. if something is hard it is ok to not do it ; 3. things that are not thought of do not properly speaking exist. therefore from 1-2-3 we have proven a is infinite".
shinohai: The best part is it took her 2 whole weeks to formulate a reply
diana_coman: going with 1.1, 2.1 and 3.2 also takes out entirely from keccak the bit-to-value and value-to-bit conversions ; input is a stream of octets, output is a stream of octets and keccak itself works at word level anyway
a111: Logged on 2018-02-08 17:01 mircea_popescu: diana_coman seems to me on the first pass the winning combo is 1.1 / 2.1 / 3.1 ; the phf objection to bit meaning precludes anything else it seems to me ; with the exception that won't bit-extraction (3.1) be particularly slow ?
diana_coman: on http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-08#1782802 and http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-08#1782813 <- the more I think about this the more it seems to me that there is no point for bit-level extraction from state either; basically if bit notion doesn't make sense then why have it at extraction anyway; I think the choices would be 1.1, 2.1 and 3.2; as to the bit order for the output at the end of the day that is a convention too so it needs only to ☝︎☝︎
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: .2 + (2 + 6/2) / 8.268 = 0.8047411707789065
mircea_popescu: !~calc .2 + (2 + 6/2) / 8.268
phf: 6.2
asciilifeform: well let's first see 1) is there sale 2) does BingoBoingo include himself , then 3) is there buy
mircea_popescu: the idea was some 2 some 4, so 36 in total.
BingoBoingo: 1, 2, 3, or more per machine?
mircea_popescu: (most ssds are 2.5". will you need adaptors ? THAT sort of thing)
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> leaving aside we don't even know what disks we're buying. eg, the rosewill chassis only usefully takes 3.5 inch ones. << 2.5 to 3.5 shims are on the list
mircea_popescu: at any rate, the only possible moves here seem to be a) phf see if the airline is willing to take a ~100 kgs as cargo ; b) BingoBoingo DO THE RESEARCH tonight, as to b.1) EXACTLY, ~absolutely~ exactly what parts do you actually need and b.2) list of places you could conceivably get it at there, whatever shops. then tomorrow starting 8am you go check all of those. no words, be shown the physical item.
asciilifeform: ( i would also like to fill up with disks the 2 boxes that were made for mircea_popescu . but it would work just as well to fill them up on BB end , if other people are sending disks, when mircea_popescu feels like filling them )
mircea_popescu: diana_coman seems to me on the first pass the winning combo is 1.1 / 2.1 / 3.1 ; the phf objection to bit meaning precludes anything else it seems to me ; with the exception that won't bit-extraction (3.1) be particularly slow ? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: so : there are four types of sea turtle known in costa rica. 1. eretmochelys imbricata, besides being VERY rare (critically endangered, too) has a beak, which the little guy lacks ; 2. chelonia mydas as far as anyone knows lives in tortuguero natl park, which is on the wrong side of the country (limon, vs this was if memory serves some miles down from jaco) ; 3. lepidochelis olivacea, besides not looking anything like that af
ave1: I'll be happy to regrind my 2 (so far) patches if needed
mod6: BingoBoingo: plz to request another 2 images. one with front door all the way open, as far back into the isle as can be taken. i.e. try to see if you can take a full frontal with the door open. and the same for the backside.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> but in principle, gear can't produce more heat than the electricity it gets. so i expect at some point they'll start whining about "Gotta get another rack, we can't go over 4kw/per" or w/e they do. no ? << We have 2.5 kw now, and if we need more we can get a set of incoming power lines for another 2.5 kw. After that it is time for a second rack.
mircea_popescu: so then, (7150 - 1403) * 6 / 52 / 40 * 2 = 33.15 final cost, per week. includes 1U of space, 37.75GB of weekly upload / 377.5GB download (as per 20 / 8 × 3600 × 24 × 7 ÷ 40) and 2500/40 = 62.5 Watts of power (in the sense of 37.8 MJ).
a111: Logged on 2018-02-06 05:03 mircea_popescu: so then, 7150 * 6 / 52 / 40 * 2 = 41.25 final cost, per week. includes 1U of space, 302GB of weekly upload / 3TB download (as per 20 × 3600 × 24 × 7 ÷ 40) and lessee re wattage,
BingoBoingo: Deturding the contract now. Re: the weekly number the 7150 included two one time setup charges so (900+250)*1.22=1403 of the 7150 sum sent is not going to be recurring. Months 2 through 23 of the contract are 2834.06 each after VAT.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo for clerical record : the per-month amortisation value of a $1300 box is 1300/12 (ie, we deem them obsolete in one year) ; consequently the retail monthly cost of a $1300 box is 1300/12*2 = 216.666666667 ; or the weekly exactly 50.
mircea_popescu: intel thinking at the time being is, "have the paperwork for mbs and chips in slot 1 ; paperwork for disks in slot 2 ; for ram in slot 3. then if asked for papers, present slot 1, offer to pay, whine and ask for discounts, etc. if that dun pass, add slot 2, whine more insistently." ☟︎
mircea_popescu: now then, considering that config : the fx-8350 is ~120 bux ; the ASRock 970M PRO3 is like $50 ; 4 x 16GB ddr3-1866 ram chips (say teh crucial ct16g3r186dm) come to about 700 dollars. drives should be about $100 to 150 per. i'm thinking should prolly actually include 2 and 4 disk setups, so taking an average of 3 that's about $1300 per box, which is not bad at all, really.
mircea_popescu: so then, 7150 * 6 / 52 / 40 * 2 = 41.25 final cost, per week. includes 1U of space, 302GB of weekly upload / 3TB download (as per 20 × 3600 × 24 × 7 ÷ 40) and lessee re wattage, ☟︎
mircea_popescu: anyway, i can say outright BingoBoingo 's prices are not correct. i ended up paying a little over 7k for 2 months' of the thing ; that's 3.6k or such post tax / 3k pre-tax not 2323.
asciilifeform: hanbot: i have nfi what the reaction is, possibly mircea_popescu has indigestion instead of rum, or whatever. i have a total of 3 usable machines, purchased after consultation with mircea_popescu , and reimbursed by him; specs were detailed to mircea_popescu before and after purchase . 1 machine was intended for s.nsa in particular; 2 for use as mircea_popescu later sees fit. whole thing was laid out in the logs on several occasions,
mircea_popescu: round #2 of this stupidity.
asciilifeform: all 3 boxes purchased under s.nsa flag; #2 is provisioned with same contents as Dulap-II; the other 2 are sitting diskless and await instruction from mircea_popescu re what he'd like in'em.
asciilifeform: oh misprint : #1 has 2.5" bays. (this makes 0 practical diff, ssd only comes in 2.5, i installed converter rails in the 3.5 slots of the others )
asciilifeform: #2 is Dulap-III, has FG installed
asciilifeform: (2) 2.3GHz x 32core (Opteron 6376) RAM Installed: 256G RAM Max: 256G
asciilifeform: (1) 2.3GHz x 32core (Opteron 6376) RAM Installed: 256G RAM Max: 256G
asciilifeform: relatedly, i recently hung up a 'premium, high end' corkboard, several square metres, and it turns out that 1) maybe half the depth is actual cork, the rest -- cardboard 2) no other kind is available ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2015-02-06 19:45 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 2) client companies of the state wish to be important. the market tells them to stuff it 3) government steps in... <<< see also the famous example of syntex corp. in mexico (carl djerassi!) - first mass-production of synthetic progestins, then nationalized, then gone - 'bad luck!'
mircea_popescu: 1. when presented the steam engine, napoleon failed to see what's so great about it, resulting in no french steamboats. 2. once the english started using the steam engine in land mobility applications, the french incredibly idiotically made their railroads state property, thus ensuring they had no technology and no experts on hand.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: oh hah i assumed it was continuation, for some technical reason, of december -- 'december-2'
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/no-such-labs-snsa-december-2017-statement-2/ << Trilema - No Such lAbs (S.NSA), December 2017 Statement
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-05#1781250 << would be a shame to waste a whole page on 2 lines, as happens from time to time, but i can see the argument, esp in re how the monthcollapse hides dates ☝︎
asciilifeform: if so, it'd make moarsense -- in gringostan, biciclism is not so much a vice of the poor and autoless, but of moneyed hipster types ( they shell out, e.g., 10k/mo for a 200m^2 flat 'near' googleplex, and biciclate to/from it while pompously bragging about 'ecologically clean' etc 0
jhvh1: asciilifeform: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 7875.73, vol: 20301.10160773 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 7910.2, vol: 79441.05559905 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 7871.8, vol: 8919.15888304 | Volume-weighted last average: 7900.60804298
BingoBoingo: phf: The hilton garden inn is very close and muy caro. If you don't mind a walk http://www.puntatrouville.com.uy/ is in Punta Carreretas, ~2 km from the datacenter
BingoBoingo: Ah, yeah, their stupid website defaults to assuming you wanna stay at least 2 nights
BingoBoingo: The LACNIC fee schedule is here http://www.lacnic.net/2399/2/lacnic/membership-categories-and-fees
asciilifeform: ideally no fewer than 2 per physical box.
BingoBoingo: Will keep reading documentation. But heres the source of the IP allocation wank for the coprophologists http://www.lacnic.net/1039/2/lacnic/ipv4-depletion-phases
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> everyone else : he leaves on the 13th, deadline to send gear his way say 5 days prior or something like that << I would like to add to the wishlist a small box capable of being a router. 2+ CPU cores, 3+ NICs, and 4-8 GB of RAM. Throw a pre clang Openbsd on there and appliancicize it.
asciilifeform: old-time su had ~ideal cars/m^2 .
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 9094.99, vol: 15650.81040742 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 9077.3, vol: 50688.71557358 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 9071.2, vol: 7929.87426483 | Volume-weighted last average: 9080.37651068
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779676 << this is not so. looking through trilema's : X-Pingback: http://trilema.com/xmlrpc.php is essential for the whole pingback functionality, which i deem a prime class. off top of head cache-control is probably also useful, as it tells the client the very useful bit of whether server deems resopurce is type 1 or type 2 in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-03#1780528 sense ; Location: http ☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-16 06:24 trinque: in other python 2 was already shit... all([]) -> True yet any([]) -> False
asciilifeform: 'Costa Rica’s existing Wildlife Law already prohibits hunting in Costa Rica, and sets fines of up to ₡1.5 million (some $2,600) for those responsible for killing a wild animal.'
mircea_popescu: of course, problems compound. dubious oil, kinda dirty ammo, not holding gun properly during fire, well... it can take 2 not 3 how about that.
mircea_popescu: phf the plan here is : 2 boxes alf already has + 5ish for me, depending on what we manage to extract out of his menu a la carte + some pogos if we are satisfied these can be run up.
phf: ben_vulpes: republican matters is like reading leaves, i'm trying to figure out dimensions and who's sending what first. fwiw shipping a rack full (as opposed to ascii's original "2 machines") is going to run up the bill just on the oversized charges with airline
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: let's include several variants for completeness : 1) fedex , and chancing the VAT 2) somebody other than asciilifeform , who can go sooner, goes, delivers a box 3) BingoBoingo obtains box locally << Fedex to Montevideo is a certain VAT, and random chance of additional import duty.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-09 18:40 asciilifeform: i have currently 3 boxen for pilot plant. all 3 contain 32cores of 'opteron 6376'. 2 of them contain 256M of ram; 1 currently has 24G ( can hold up to 256 ). each has 2 x G/sec nics, 2 x (reduntant) 700W ps .
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: depending on what you need in the 2 virginal boxen, can be ready in ~wk
mircea_popescu: see what coppa has to say ? they generally have sub 1k 2 weeks out sorta thing.
mircea_popescu: he's in ct iirc. what days it's 2 hrs.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: let's include several variants for completeness : 1) fedex , and chancing the VAT 2) somebody other than asciilifeform , who can go sooner, goes, delivers a box 3) BingoBoingo obtains box locally
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1779772 << i have 3 boxes prepared for bisp under s.nsa banners ; 1 is dulap-III , which is 'endisked', en-FG'd, and crated for its journey; 2 want disks; if mircea_popescu has specific config he wants for #2 and #3, or to obtain moar , gpggram. ☝︎
BingoBoingo: 2&secc=productos&id_color_inic=&path=0.2309.2392
asciilifeform: there's 2 kinds of 'fix'
ave1: as for the switch, in old docu it is here: https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-4.1.2/gnat_ugn_unw/Switches-for-gcc.html#ndex-g_t_0040option_007b_002dgnatm_007d-_0028_0040command_007bgcc_007d_0029-125
ave1: asciilifeform, I'm reading trough chapter 2 and I've tried to get inlining to work, but so far have failed, nothing gets inlined outside of the defining module!
mp_en_viaje: we're paying iirc 1400 for bw, 2G or wtf it was ; you want 100m guaranteed, 1400/20*2
mp_en_viaje: we're paying iirc 900 for the rack, you want a unit it's 900/40*2
diana_coman: funnily enough the rotates are anyway mainly "shortcuts" for 2 (iirc) transformation operations but otherwise not directly in keccak's defs as such
asciilifeform: fwiw one can also define these like a barbarian, as x * 2 and x / 2 ; and gcc (last i saw) will Do The Right Thing and transform to a shift
asciilifeform: diana_coman: http://www.adaic.org/resources/add_content/standards/05aarm/html/AA-B-2.html
asciilifeform has the ordinary, 2-hinged x60.
mp_en_viaje: (resetting the kbd driver to ps/2 also works on some magically, tried that, but this piece of shit worst bios you've ever seen HAS a useless point and click interface but no setting of kbd driver)
mp_en_viaje: ie, "there's this neighbourhood, they kidnap 2-3 tourists each they. but generally they reappear a day or two later, clothes all ragged up and all dizzy like" "sounds like a helluva party"
asciilifeform: phf: i went to 1 or 2 of those particular meets
mp_en_viaje: which, of course, as all socialist idiocy, resulted in everyone buying >2 cars.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-03 16:05 asciilifeform: but in very unrelated lulz, https://archive.is/bON1p >> 'It’s a bit absurd that a modern gaming machine running at 4,000x the speed of an apple 2, with a CPU that has 500,000x as many transistors (with a GPU that has 2,000,000x as many transistors) can maybe manage the same latency as an apple 2 in very carefully coded applications if we have a monitor with nearly 3x the refresh rate.'
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 506870 | Current Difficulty: 2.603077300218E12 | Next Difficulty At Block: 508031 | Next Difficulty In: 1161 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 23 hours, 28 minutes, and 18 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
asciilifeform: sage probe is quite easy to find. 1) get in wot -- register with deedbot 2) make a bid in btc 3) one of the folx here will sell you a sageprobe.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-29 01:38 asciilifeform yet again, for 3rd time in 2 yrs, attempted and failed to build a 'zero foot print runtime' for gnat -- to abolish the 3MB of liquishit it shits into every executable.
phf: Techman: well, i did say sluts, not "peanut gallery". most of freenode channels seem to consist of 2-3 useful folk and the 20-30 backsit yes men.
mod6: in other news, got within 2 blocks of HEAD lastnight... never quite did make it... then for some reason fell like 80 blocks behind while stuck on a block.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> diff -uNr $1 $2 | awk 'm = /^(--- a|\+\+\+)/ << diff -uNr $1 $2 | awk 'm = /^(--- a|\+\+\+ b)/ << ya?