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asciilifeform: i'ma go and do meat chores, will return around 2300 hrs orcistani time, and build diana_coman's tester
asciilifeform: ty diana_coman
asciilifeform: diana_coman: ah looked ? and what was it doing instead of exiting ?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: can you post plox the whole test jig, i'd like to reproduce the effect and see wtf , in gdb ( prolly won't get to it until nightfall tho )
asciilifeform: diana_coman, mircea_popescu , et al : other observation : based on my reading of https://www.adaic.org/resources/add_content/standards/12rm/html/RM-9-8.html , 'abort' oughta work as a hard kill unless you specifically put a deliberate 'do this before death' in the task. but does gnat actually obey the standard here, i currently do not know ☟︎
asciilifeform: diana_coman: incidentally, per the std doc, raise PROGRAM_ERROR with "eggog!"; also oughta drop the whole process dead.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: it is exactly == to GNAT.OS_Lib.OS_Exit(0) , yes, btw; i did the 'import' for the same reason as for the character i/o, i.e. to lose the dependency on the standard lib
asciilifeform: diana_coman: how did you model 'wedged task' ? ( i.e. what didja put in it ? infinite loop? or eternal i/o wait ? )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: you tried exit() and it still sat ?!
a111: Logged on 2019-02-10 16:21 diana_coman: HA! so....GNAT.OS_Lib.OS_Exit(0) at least...works
a111: Logged on 2019-02-10 16:05 diana_coman: I'm all ears if anyone has some idea re this supposedly simple thing: how to kill-self in ada, whole program but guaranteed to work i.e. without any bullshit "oh, but only if/when..."
asciilifeform: diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-10#1894644 << >> http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ffa/hypertext/ch16/os__ads.htm#44_24 ☝︎
mircea_popescu: diana_coman or rather, "how to a) kill something b) in a manner that's guaranteed to work".
mircea_popescu: diana_coman keks, so ada is actually stop-broken ?
a111: Logged on 2019-02-08 18:11 diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-08#1893756 -> this makes in fact a lot of sense esp given asciilifeform's observation that indeed, that's an unrecoverable error state; so this sounds good: if child task doesn't die when aborted then kill self (taking the task with self too ofc); I'll experiment with this but afaik so far it should work
mircea_popescu: ok so basically so far the situation's that shinohai managed to get trinque's sig to match on a rk but not an intel lappy, while diana_coman mod6 hanbot failed to get it to match on a diverse set of items (laptop, desktop, racked box).
a111: Logged on 2019-02-03 17:19 trinque: diana_coman: might I get a tarball of your cuntoo build directory's present state?
mircea_popescu: tyvm diana_coman
mircea_popescu: diana_coman do you happen to recall / still have that poster ?
a111: Logged on 2019-02-08 16:28 diana_coman: not while they are in an infinite loop it seems
mircea_popescu: diana_coman imo you'd rather have them work not in a guarded maner but in an acid-ish manner, and kill them after a set time established administratively.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-08 07:45 diana_coman: I'll probably need to find out exactly what the overhead for their creation is anyway
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://ossasepia.com/2019/02/07/seppuku-job-market-minimal-dynamic-tasking-in-ada/#selection-139.9098-139.9968 << dun seem like diana_coman's mechanism specialized by creating different 'species' of 'worker' -- but by using case selector, as i expected it would. therefore it remains a puzzle to me why to terminate an' rebirth'em ( to save a few kB of ram when machine load is light ?? )
asciilifeform has not used ada threadism yet, so quite interested to see what diana_coman made of it
asciilifeform: diana_coman: 1 immediate q : why do the worker jobs have to be terminated & rebirthed ( rather than having N , 1 per cpu, and 4evah infinite loop of plucking work from queue & placing in finishedworx queue when done ) ?
asciilifeform reads diana_coman's opus..
asciilifeform: diana_coman: the moar loc, the less i see wrong w/bark, lol
mircea_popescu: diana_coman not as long as you think, i recall the same exact summer i went from fearing the forks in june to playing with them for sport in august.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: np. lemme know which flavours the kid ended up liking, i may have moar in the depths of the warez chests along those lines. ☟︎
asciilifeform: diana_coman: if you can get hold of actual dos box with e.g. 'soundblaster', most of what's in there oughta work, in principle.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-03 17:42 asciilifeform: diana_coman: it's on a mitsumi gold cd thing, i'ma excavate it tomorrow morning
asciilifeform: !!later tell diana_coman: finally dug up the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-03#1892086 item ( believe or not, '98 disk reads a++ ) : http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/vintage/oldies.tar.gz . you'll need 'arj' but that ought not to be problem on dos box. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-02-05 21:37 diana_coman: some Romanian author, lemme see, www.anticariat-unu.ro/vorba-buna-inteleptul-de-al-gheorghiu-pogonesti-1980-p98305
a111: Logged on 2019-02-05 21:29 diana_coman: it has nothing to do with what student might or might not be able to do; if you have a course on X and the main reference is Z then Z is the main recommended book regardless of anything else, what
asciilifeform: diana_coman: 'radio zvezda' has a bunch on their www iirc.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: can barf at the communist kid b00kz, but seems to me that even there result is considerably closer to human and farther from bonsaikitten of disney princess etc.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: strontium is in the milk of erry cow alive, but still wouldntcha rather drink from cow in ro than from chernobyl.
asciilifeform: which were these, diana_coman
asciilifeform: i'm guessing diana_coman never spent much time in anglotardistan
diana_coman: since you were asking re "noob diana_coman": while at Uni, 2nd year or so, I had this outburst at some point: wtf IF only you'd recommend a GOOD book ffs instead of all the bullshit
asciilifeform: diana_coman: it wasn't actively 'break out in hives' allergenic, is all.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: it's a pretty dubious b00k. problem is, i dun have anyffin to recommend to engl. readers other than it
asciilifeform: diana_coman: lol, didnt mircea_popescu once mention that he did landau & fr in 1 shot
a111: Logged on 2019-02-05 14:37 asciilifeform: diana_coman: fwiw i didn't end up on 2012 blindly, actually walked the feature ladder and consciously picked.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-05 14:06 diana_coman: but that's the point: side-channels are permissive, #trilema is not; and on the sharp end of it, coming in too early can result in negrate
asciilifeform: oh hm interesting, ancient diana_coman www
asciilifeform: i dun actually know the orig story of diana_coman
asciilifeform: i do wonder what diana_coman was like as a noob tho
asciilifeform: 'if diana_coman were noob'
mircea_popescu: this doesn't map directly, but if diana_coman were a noob that'd be the time i'd be like, "btw guise..."
a111: Logged on 2019-02-05 14:00 diana_coman: fwiw my current (even recently updated!) rule for "when to invite" is ~ "when they are either asking intelligent questions in side-chan already OR have made something useful OR have a concrete, interesting proposition explored first in side-chan"
a111: Logged on 2019-02-05 17:10 asciilifeform: some folx seem to know how to grow n00bs that walk in and set to work right off ( iirc diana_coman had one ) but asciilifeform not achieved this wonder of yet
a111: Logged on 2019-02-05 13:50 diana_coman: asciilifeform, I must admit I fail to see *what* did the guy actually contribute; moreover he asked as far as I can see signalling questions, nothing more; granted, they were related to Ada but that's about the only positive I can find in the whole log I had to go through; perhaps it's simply too early for him to be here? maybe first have something done and only then come and show it?
asciilifeform: some folx seem to know how to grow n00bs that walk in and set to work right off ( iirc diana_coman had one ) but asciilifeform not achieved this wonder of yet ☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'ma bring larvae in strictly once they pupate, as discussed earlier with diana_coman .
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i orig had mine set to '05 also.
asciilifeform: wasn't implying that diana_coman picked with dartboard, lolno.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: fwiw i didn't end up on 2012 blindly, actually walked the feature ladder and consciously picked. ☟︎
asciilifeform: -83 won't build diana_coman's proggy either, there was no tasks annex in -83.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: posssibly i oughtn't to graduate'em till they solve all the ffa homeworks.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: so apparently he hadn't read all 7 yrs of log. tho mircea_popescu did not say that this was why got the boot.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i.e. we have all the hands we'll ever want ?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: it's a teachable n00b, as suggested by his www. similar to e.g. bvt .
asciilifeform: plenty of ongoing work, too. diana_coman for instance is determining a safely usable subset of ada tasking system.
asciilifeform: there is not presently a paper book that will teach you ~this~ lang, if you're ready to learn it you can do so from asciilifeform , diana_coman , et al. published works.
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: you will find that the ada used by asciilifeform , diana_coman , et al, is quite distinct flavour from what you see in barnes & in various corners of the net where published ada proggies (not so many) are found
asciilifeform: verisimilitude: incidentally diana_coman ( http://ossasepia.com/ ) has quite large set of published ada ( & articles re same ), i highly recommend to read.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-03 17:24 diana_coman: trinque, it's possibly best to run your latest script and then hand over everything you need, fresh and clear? not a big issue otherwise to rummage and pack that dir but I don't even recall if I did not touch it further after that point when I sent the genesis patch so I'd rather not introduce artefacts
a111: Logged on 2019-01-30 16:46 asciilifeform: diana_coman: '0.61 seconds per iteration of M-R' is also lulzy , in context of http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-24#1889742
a111: Logged on 2019-02-03 22:33 diana_coman: spyked, fwiw I did not get the pingback from your blog either
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: ty, approved.
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: ty for the cake
asciilifeform: diana_coman: it's on a mitsumi gold cd thing, i'ma excavate it tomorrow morning ☟︎
asciilifeform: diana_coman: lemme know if you want moar warez from that period, i have a hand-curated collection
a111: Logged on 2018-06-25 20:19 diana_coman set up The Incredible Machine dos-version even for said child and he's totally hooked
trinque: diana_coman: might I get a tarball of your cuntoo build directory's present state? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: diana_coman what's bash --version say ?
trinque: diana_coman: the first thing I'm curious about is the press-head which produced your vdiff
trinque: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/OJFYM/?raw=true << I'll take to it with fresher eyes, but it looks like on diana_coman's end symlinks are being dereferenced, or something in that vicinity. that appears to be the only class of difference.
trinque: diana_coman: I've got the diff between my cuntoo genesis.vpatch and yours chewed down to human size (about 900 lines). getting closer
asciilifeform: incidentally i expect that results from 'does ffa build' carry over to errybody who is currently using a ffa-derived gpr config ( this includes diana_coman , iirc , and possibly phf )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: in ch17 incidentally this comes into play in ffadom.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: he said 'threading model' so i assumed he found some ffa-style fascistic constraint to put on it, lol
BingoBoingo: ty diana_coman, fxd
mircea_popescu: diana_coman entirely possibru! though the ~average~ girl is still no match for the lower placed boys. so i wouldn't call it "can't" properly speaking.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman "retarded" is a term for ~broad~ failure. narrow failure, ie one that can be described on a single node, doesn't seem to meet it.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman note that the class of childish notion's wider than the class of amateur tropes.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman about five years. childish notions are both narrow and misapplied. amateur notions are merely misapplied, but remarkably extensive.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: '0.61 seconds per iteration of M-R' is also lulzy , in context of http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-24#1889742 ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i recently reread your series re primes, and found http://ossasepia.com/2018/01/04/eucrypt-chapter-4-random-prime-number-generator/#selection-111.241-117.155 interesting -- koch fermats 1st, but this dun actually save any cpu under any circumstances. pretty lulzy.
a111: Logged on 2019-01-30 12:55 diana_coman: so to put this straight: are you saying that the model you describe (proxies directly wired to the order processing backed) would be a liability for CoinBr or what?
jurov: diana_coman: mpex does have website that accepts orders in real time
asciilifeform: ( iirc somebody asked diana_coman same q once )
asciilifeform: diana_coman, mircea_popescu , et al ^
asciilifeform: diana_coman: coupla of the authors of linked item are at uni of london. think you can get at'em ?
asciilifeform: ^ mircea_popescu , diana_coman , possibly other aficionados ^
phf: unfortunately i failed to make careful note of various vpatch appearances. there's been some by people other than asciilifeform and diana_coman where the author didn't explicitly request a btcbase upload. so if anyone's explicitly missing a vpatch that they want to be up on btcbase, please leave note with me, privmsg also works
asciilifeform: ^ corrected in re diana_coman thread; and no longer relies on the squaring limit conjecture mentioned earlier.
asciilifeform: guten morgen mircea_popescu , diana_coman
mircea_popescu: diana_coman if you think about it, that's strictly impossible. they do indeed show delta time each tick, so it's dead reckoning. how the heck would they produce strictly random time.