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diana_coman: mircea_popescu, I think it did but by now I don't even remember for sure re this particular one

phf: btcbase already does that, internally. i've offered people in the past a feed (since i don't want that service to be abused), but i don't think anyone expressed interest

mod6: Whatever we don't spend will be returned to Pizarro, or I suppose can be held in fiat if need be.

asciilifeform: '"Nah, I mean, I don't need that much help. I've played some video games before," the man responds.'

mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-08-10 07:01 adlai: at the risk of sounding like a lightly-chipped (for the broken don't spin too good) record: i'd be glad to rent the new rockchip. i promise this time to think before i type, and not play the shitty music too loud.

kaniini: i don't

mircea_popescu: i hope you don't mind the quote.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-10#1840646 << i don't mean that, i mean specifically http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-22#1816498 part. ☝︎☝︎

phf: i don't know what's the basis for that assessment, outside of my occasional rants: homebrew is also the only useful one of the three, i.e. you can use it to provision a standard issue corporate macbook pro into doing useful thing

a111: Logged on 2018-08-06 20:15 mircea_popescu: anyway esthlos i know it's hard but srsly, don't give it up, it's entertaining and perhaps marginally even useful. "Hence I'm changing my base organizational approach and will be prioritizing the log reading above Keccak and other projects, to move towards the desired number." pfff!!

BingoBoingo: <Mocky> i haven't got one in #mocky this whole time, figured they don't bother with just one << Ditto for #agriculturalsupremacy

Mocky: trinque, I think I did something wrong but I don't know what ^

trinque: oh hm, asciilifeform I don't have deedbot running on the multi-channel variant ben_vulpes has

Mocky: i haven't got one in #mocky this whole time, figured they don't bother with just one

trinque: I still don't have a model for what "deedbot thinks he's connected, freenode doesn't" is

mircea_popescu: anyway esthlos i know it's hard but srsly, don't give it up, it's entertaining and perhaps marginally even useful. "Hence I'm changing my base organizational approach and will be prioritizing the log reading above Keccak and other projects, to move towards the desired number." pfff!! ☟︎

a111: Logged on 2018-08-06 19:33 diana_coman: ugh, on mp-wp I have avatars fine but I don't have footnotes?

diana_coman: ugh, on mp-wp I have avatars fine but I don't have footnotes? ☟︎

phf: asciilifeform: well, we don't have a gossipd, so our only move option is to take steps towards gossipd or leprotoilet. "i personally would prefer exodus from fleanode to happen on our schedule" exists at odds with both. it seems to ask for "faster gossipd" or "leprotoilet" now, hence at odds.

mircea_popescu: i don't see it.

mircea_popescu: and while at it, the essential part of "#b-a => #trilema transition happened" isn't even so much the (very extremely never-seen-before) narrow time wondows ; but the fact that ~it very much was~ on own fucking schedule. i don't recall having to hassle anyone about anything. it was a coupla days cuz it took me a coupla days, and it was a week because it took trinque, phf & gang a week.

trinque: I don't have a problem with that, but like things to be defined

mod6: ok cool. i don't even have the ecu yet, i've only got about 50mn in my account at this very moment, but I trust that someone will sell them to me in time.

mod6: Ok, I'll put in a bid tomorrow, I gotta buy some ecu with pizarro's funds (im nearly certain I don't have 1bn or even near that in my eulora acct), then put in the bid.

mod6: I don't have information on which letter assignment is which.

diana_coman: after reading around on this mess with the usb speeds, the summary + questions would be: 1. the dwc_otg seems actually specific to raspberry pi so I don't see how it's directly useful atm; am I missing something? 2. the manual/runtime pill so far relies on the companion mechanism to force a USB port down from "high speed" to "full speed" so basically from ehci to uhci/ohci; wouldn't it make more sense to blacklist ehci, xhci and whatever ☟︎

mircea_popescu: as in, "i checked, we don't have" or as in "we couldn't possibly have something this fucking stupid o oops there it is how the hell did it sneak in"

diana_coman: asciilifeform, I get as I recalled this "[63939.499700] pl2303 ttyUSB0: usb_serial_generic_read_bulk_callback - urb stopped: -32" but I don't see the others, hmm

diana_coman: mod6, I'd say don't worry about it; as a rule though productive people do stuff, not as if they need to "say" productively things

diana_coman: asciilifeform, I certainly say the last line, don't recall the first 2 but I might have missed them

diana_coman: but a. WHY don't I have same trouble on any of the machines here b. WHY does it hang anyway c. wtf do I do

douchebag: ben_vulpes: I understand we disagree on that, however I'm trying to make money - I don't see how hosting rockchips that are overpriced is going to generate revenue in the long term.

diana_coman: sadly I don't know of any replacement to suggest, no

diana_coman: and other than the weird fact that read simply blocks randomly, I don't know

a111: Logged on 2018-07-12 13:49 diana_coman: asciilifeform, BingoBoingo access to box & config confirmed; FG on ttysUSB0 had a wobble at first and I don't understand why: I ran the stty -F /dev/ttyUSB0 115200 raw -echo -echoe -echok and then tried dd iflag=fullblock if=/dev/ttyUSB0 | hexdump -C but nothing came up; then I ran the stty on usb1 as well and tried again and it...worked; any idea wtf was that at first?

BingoBoingo: <diana_coman> basically if I don't manage to reproduce it on any other machine, it would seem it's potentially to do with that specific system << Let me know if you want a pair of hands.

diana_coman: mircea_popescu, I don't recall it but sounds apt (as dr. a does wherever I read him)

diana_coman: basically if I don't manage to reproduce it on any other machine, it would seem it's potentially to do with that specific system

BingoBoingo: And I take it you don't have need for a single purpose dishwasher.

mircea_popescu: i don't believe in palliation.

mircea_popescu: anyway, i for one am amused by his easy slide from "why do you like" to "why do you need". obviously i don't fucking need a waitress, yes i can have my own sluts do it for me, and on (rare!) occasion i do just that. but why the fuck would i trade slavegirl time for minwage time, for one, and why the fuck would i have to ~like~ having to do it.

a111: Logged on 2018-07-27 06:44 diana_coman: mod6, I don't recall: was there any option to pay yearly for the rockchip?

trinque: there are a finite amount of "the interface slipped thousands of funnybux between auction and invoice" that I will eat, and I will proably eat more of them than other customers that don't know you as well

mod6: But who is to say that I don't get hit by a bus on AUgust 4th, and then it's not complete in time.

mircea_popescu: so don't do that. instead, see diana_coman 's theoretical work on managing this (ie http://www.dianacoman.com/2018/02/06/its-only-words-and-assumptions-and-priorities-and-ouch/ ) and take for instance Mocky 's very effectual style ( http://logs.minigame.biz/2018-07-22.log.html#t13:56:10 / http://logs.minigame.biz/2018-07-25.log.html#t19:48:59 etc ). doodn's managed 27 builds of a mining bot NONE OF WHICH WORK to date and i'm

diana_coman: mod6, I don't recall: was there any option to pay yearly for the rockchip? ☟︎

mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes well, rather changes the model from "What foundation got" to "what foundation did". i really don't see that's such a loss.

ben_vulpes: sacrifices the public verifiability of "all foundation funds in addrx" but i don't know that's so valuable; foundation addr could just be the proverbial tip hat with some change in it and the curious are directed to read statements

mircea_popescu: seems to me pretty plain & evident which case is run my "i'm ugly but don't see why this means i get no voice" "#metoo" and which is not.

asciilifeform: 'You clearly perceive immutability as Bitcoin's most important aspect, but others feel that decentralisation is the more important quality ... I don't know how you expect to maintain a decentralised system when the only participants are the limited number of fruitcakes running the 0.5.4 client' << gold.

jurov: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-22#1837291 i don't know either, only found this barf in the log: ☝︎

mircea_popescu: apparently i don't even need to run it for this judgmental box to have an oppinion on my skillz.

mod6: mircea_popescu: um, I actually don't know what was factored in for the whole year. my guess is that one may have had a discount for paying a whole year in advance. where this number has a bit of a higher margin for month-to-month.

mircea_popescu: if i take http://trilema.com/2018/it-came-out/ cutie for a sea trip and it has the misfortune of coming to life 500 miles out, it'll still fly over the ocean looking. and so must you, because until you're dead you don't know you're dying.

mircea_popescu: if i can select one usable nude floorwasher in 250k imperial "accounts", then probably so could you* (*conceivably, you don't want nude floorwashers, but ~necessarily~ it doesn't matter what you want, the foregoing applies)

mircea_popescu: moreover, these are different items. the chick with the emoji and http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-24#1837516 are not the same. i don't expect you to care about the difference, but i do. to me it's meaningful, and in the end that's all it takes, yes ? exactly mirror case of the mats discussion above. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: i don't suspect she'd be in the slightest malicious ; but i also don't expect she ever controlled a box. for all i know it's an open relay.

mod6: mircea_popescu: I don't see any problem with it as long as it's all paid up and we can you or them directly for it.

mircea_popescu will unrate, i suspect the point is made and i really don't give that much of a shit.

danielpbarron: i have the article marked private, maybe when i have a new one to link i'll ask about doing that. but i think their point was if you don't believe it anymore why even have it there?

ben_vulpes: i don't even want to think about the code, compile, run loop outside of the emacs toiletron

mircea_popescu: i also don't know how i picked as example THE ONLY EXAMPLE

asciilifeform: re the other kind ( 'It's a forced thing, which they don't enjoy and at which they're therefore not any good, predictably enough' ) reminds me of shalamov's anecdote where 2 gulag zeks hear a call for carpenters and say 'me, me, i'ma carpenter' despite never having held a saw 'because what, any idjit can cut wood' and promptly falling into lulz

mircea_popescu: but yes, getting movement through courts is a WHOLE lot more skilled work than getting a whatever the fuck nothing he didn't do, i don't even remember, social media something or the other.

mod6: Well, as he said, I don't think he's interested in contributing to TMSR~ any longer. Even if he wants to follow trb, for instance, can do so from the BTC-DEV list.

diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-20#1836702 -> hm, what, people didn't use to lie to themselves that well or what? I rather suspect it's simply that they don't leave any trace/interest over that much time ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2016-03-28 15:29 phf: guy come strutting after his opponent leaves and starts talking tough? i don't know him, but that just spells loser

mircea_popescu: i don't hold stalin in much more regard either.

phf: i don't know where you're getting this info.

mircea_popescu: and also the "oh but mp, that's not the EXACT specific narrowly defined line" isn't permissible either. a "doctor" who can't equalize a molar transform is no fuckinfg doctor, i don't care how he thinks chemistry "is not properly part of doctorhood"

BingoBoingo: I am unsure if I have been mosquito bit here. I don't think they like the bus fumes

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-19#1836364 << i'm not even sure by now. honestly i don't seem to ever want to use it, myself, but i also see no problem in it per se. ratings are personal after all, and not all persons of the republic are necessarily just as public. ☝︎

asciilifeform: i banned it in my proggy. because i don't like what it leads to.

mircea_popescu: no, i understand that part. what i don't understand is why is it a problem.

phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-18#1836056 << i also don't have means of reproducing the majority of physical objects i use, including the machine my tools run on. i have to ask is that a hypothetical roomfull or we're talking #trilema specifically? ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-07-18 12:46 phf: are you talking in the context of tmsr, or your commercial work? i had both of them bought at some point, back in my common lisp consulting days it was a no brainer, the cost was always a small fraction of the contract, but the technical advantage immense. but then i don't have the source code for many things that i make my food with

diana_coman: I think it was mentioned at other times too but I don't quite recall something else focusing on this or fleshing it out more

phf: i don't understand how that's the conclusion, i don't see how if it's done badly (which is not quite clear from even what i know, certainly not from log hearsay) it means that it wasn't done at all

phf: vaguely, but i don't know how their real model maps into the failure model we're considering

phf: i suspect spaceprobes people don't ever need to start a fresh program either, in a conventional sense

phf: allegro is batteries included, and if they're not they'll add the batteries for you, so for most practical purposes you don't need to fuck with quicklisp and the variety of dodgy quicklisp packages. but allegro generally made a lot of, i don't know how to put it, old skill lisp-machine-y decisions to make sure your development experience is superior. instead of being sticklers for the standard, and not venturing outside of it, they kept adding nooks an

phf: are you talking in the context of tmsr, or your commercial work? i had both of them bought at some point, back in my common lisp consulting days it was a no brainer, the cost was always a small fraction of the contract, but the technical advantage immense. but then i don't have the source code for many things that i make my food with ☟︎

phf: but i also don't know how you get the source from lispworks, if at all. they have a fixed price list though.

phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-18#1835681 << in allegro's case the model was (is?) a vendor partnership, they don't sell to all comers. you have to have a sit down where you essentially pitch your project to them and work out a payment structure, some combination of buy in, royalties, etc. similar to some of the banking vendors i worked with, like kx ☝︎

mircea_popescu: for which reason i don't think we're to take lightly the author.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-17#1835611 << no ; the idea is that there will be separation between objective costs of running (passed on to the client in the shape of food necessities to keep character alive -- starve it long enough and it dies) and the implicitly risky nature of euloran activity. i don't want to get into detail here, but i believe it's the correct approach, allocation, rather than trying a pauschal approac ☝︎

mircea_popescu: lol i misread, "it costs for instance that you don't want to travel with laptop."

hanbot: anyway no, i don't see a way out of the "problem".

mircea_popescu: i mean... so mocky makes a client, i see his client works, i allocate his binaries signatures, and now evilmocky does what ? doesn't follow server comms spec ? can't connect. is smart enough to follow them, and puts the work in ? can connect, server will report expected hashes. does he distribute this thing, so user can see the hash of his program and the hash the program tells the server don't match ? suppose he does. what n

a111: Logged on 2018-07-18 00:05 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-17#1835530 << i think it's a very stupid idea, and i don't mean this mildly, but stupid in a superlative way, because what is contemplated is a ~fixed price~ for an ~unspecified product~. this is EXACTLY like sootheby's selling "auction win tickets" whereby you get to win "any one auction". it;s like trying to implement lemon markets where they don't naturally exist, and it screams deep misunder

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-17#1835530 << i think it's a very stupid idea, and i don't mean this mildly, but stupid in a superlative way, because what is contemplated is a ~fixed price~ for an ~unspecified product~. this is EXACTLY like sootheby's selling "auction win tickets" whereby you get to win "any one auction". it;s like trying to implement lemon markets where they don't naturally exist, and it screams deep misunder ☝︎☟︎☟︎

asciilifeform: diana_coman: i don't see any problem with eulora making its src members-only ( whether l1 or the 2 people who actually work on it etc ) but will admit that i still don't see what it adds, other than ceremonially. the monkey herd can still plagiarize the existing published src .

a111: Logged on 2018-07-17 03:19 mod6: I'm saying in the instance of inquisition. I don't think there is any way to separate a willful liar from someone who lost control of their key.

mircea_popescu: anyway, it's altogether doubtful that this naive model of imperial "progress" ever applied to software. i don't expect lcients to become ever better over time.

Mocky: i don't see it as a problem for the client writer. to the contrary i would expect clients to get regular updates and older versions less useful relatively over time. but maybe asciilifeform doesn't care about eulora at all, why involve when only possible involvement 'suspected of leak'?

mod6: I'm saying in the instance of inquisition. I don't think there is any way to separate a willful liar from someone who lost control of their key. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: i suppose. though honestly, what is it, don't decrypt the deed, it'll sit there.

Mocky: this makes sense to me. the only thing i have against it is asciilifeform and mod6 argument about the burden of keeping secrets. while I don't see the proposed method as actually burdensome, i see the argument in the general case