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jurov: i should have masked >=gnupg:2 and never looked back
jurov: dunno what i was thinking
assbot: Font: The letter f goes missing or rearranges itself in a word · Issue #2720 · Automattic/wp-calypso · GitHub ... (
http://bit.ly/1Py5z5b )
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TomServo: My new node has been wedged at 252450 past several days (built using wiki instructions). Is this a curiosity at all? Or should I just retry? I certainly could've screwed something up.
☟︎ BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Purged. Credible reports suggest Twitter is going to do a bigger purge soon, so some loveable jokesters are working to get preeptively purged on their own terms.
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jurov: BingoBoingo: how do youknow it's TaT
BingoBoingo: jurov: Not with cryptological certainty, but he gradually transitioned from using #bitcoin-assets as he social media identity to this bitcoinerrorlog thing. It's likely him.
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mircea_popescu: that we shall have a world war seems a foregone conclusion by now.
mircea_popescu: That's why every time Obama deploys one of his cloned spokeswomen wearing the "problem glasses" to a White House press briefing << seriously. it's like gaddafi without taste.
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mircea_popescu: "it's worth remembering Japan had been under a US oil embargo for years before they 'suddenly' attacked Pearl Harbor in '41. " << decent tidbits in there, under all the cheap "rapport" and assorted throwaway cancerous jokes.
mircea_popescu: "The Zionists are so used to running American foreign policy for their own benefit and having the US Army take care of their enemies for them (Hussein, Gaddafi, Assad etc) that it was hilarious to watch Netanyahu throw a shit fit in the US Congress " << so far, the only army to ever win an engagement in the middle east is the israeli. twice.
mircea_popescu: i dun get this fucktarded "we are importants" thing the ustards do around that topic, but anyways.
BingoBoingo: Two Ocean borders and "docile" neighbors will do that to a people
BingoBoingo: Now if Aztlan joined the Central powers in the Great War
mircea_popescu: heh, mexico's been steadily making gains past the colorado for decades.
mod6: TomServo: Hi, if you followed the instructions via the wiki, this means you should have built via rotor & V.
mod6: 1: Have you tried restarting bitcoind to see if that helps get you past this block?
mod6: 2: Can you `cat rotor/TEST2/bitcoin/src/db.cpp` and post it to dpaste or somewhere else I might be able to look at it?
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mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "writing in much the same way many other religious persons in the American continent have done before and after them." << would be so much better with briefly discussed examples.
mircea_popescu: the parallels between say that ridiculous smith character and these derps are striking.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Thank you. The best solution to addressing these omissions is likely going to be a follow up.
mircea_popescu: apparently every american is equally and insescapably stupid. their education, and their intelligence, may color the way they express their stupidity. but you can't take the village out of the girl even if you take the girl out of the village, and you can't take stupid out of americans.
mircea_popescu: "oh hurr durr here is how hegel can be applied to maintain what we wish to see!!1"
BingoBoingo: Well gotta consider who the first crackers on the continent were, bunch of English pricks with various "road to paradise" dreams.
BingoBoingo: Anyways the Jonathan Edwards guy is prolly a better model for this than the Smith Moromon guy, but gotta chew through more re-reading list first.
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assbot: Logged on 26-01-2016 00:56:01; TomServo: My new node has been wedged at 252450 past several days (built using wiki instructions). Is this a curiosity at all? Or should I just retry? I certainly could've screwed something up.
BingoBoingo: What about basement rays from radon and granite countertops?
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BingoBoingo: Thinking more on the subject Mississippi river dam would likely have to wait for the last of the uranium to be mined out of Iowa
assbot: Logged on 25-01-2016 21:00:21; *: asciilifeform just watched the master toggle on a 25 y.o. under-monitor surge protector thingie ~explode~ in a shower of sparks
BingoBoingo: Fuck, they really don't/can't make those anymore
BingoBoingo: I have a few like that. One 3 outlet square iron box that is likely a transformer but can not confirm because no good descriptive queries return other than ads for not it. Also lacked time to open.
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform has ONE playing card, and it's a 4 of clobber.
mod6: TomServo: you have an old db.cpp file somehow.
mod6: TomServo: ./bitcoind stop
TomServo: I think the patience part was my problem.
TomServo: asciilifeform: what can I provide that is useful?
TomServo: 66f81f6da997109f4d34ca654d30e24cb850fa87a6fbe6a045c6cb1a9f6d47d979fb4e25a0bbb35064c1259cda3c7b5ff12f68d9c22c1acf45299dbb4ed72317 db.cpp
TomServo: How would I end up with an old one?
mod6: not sure. we haven't seen this problem yet.
mod6: I don't suppose you logged your build process?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo dollars to donuts you'll end up importing searle,
mod6: Aside from further diag. I think the best bet is to probably just start over. One way to log the entire build process (this goes for everyone) is to use `script`. This command, `script`, will start logging everything in the terminal ,and when finished, just type `exit` and all of the screen output will be saved in a file in the pwd called 'typescript'.
mircea_popescu: then next thing you'll know you'll be putting out stuff like "the spread of [redacted] is perhaps the best known example of a silly but noncatastrophic phenomenon." and so on.
TomServo: I think I've cause problems before with this old build before (deb squeeze).
mircea_popescu: willy nilly all this idocy traces back to usians reading lacan and perhaps some saussure in the 60s and not understanding anything of it.
mod6: No problem! Good luck.
mod6: Certainly start with a clean env.
mod6: That'll ensure that nothing is coming in at a forty-five degree angle and hosing the build.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well gotta make it that far to find out.
mod6: TomServo: one last qq: When did you create this build?
mod6: Was it within the last 24 hours?
TomServo: mod6: Within the last 2 weeks.
mod6: anyway, let us know how it goes.
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assbot: That's still broken. They've just pushed the problem deeper. Now instead of havi... | Hacker News ... (
http://bit.ly/1POAGE0 )
mircea_popescu: " My intuition is that this might even require fewer attempts than the original comparison assuming a reasonable password length, but I haven't done the math." << he's right actually.
ben_vulpes: (although who uses one without the other i do not know)
AdrianG: what do you think of edward bernays, mircea_popescu ?
mircea_popescu: you know you can voice yourself. just say !up to assbot in pm
AdrianG: oh. i didnt know. i thought somebody has to approve me.
AdrianG: mircea_popescu: i thought you'd know a bit about him at lesat.
AdrianG: bernays was quite a character.
AdrianG: he is the father of 'spin', or propaganda, but on industrial scale.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> any accumulator that doesn't principally occupy itself with ~forgetting~ rapidly collapses into a singularity of shitmass. << This has been the greatest challenge of sober living so far.
AdrianG: bacon and eggs for breakfast, fluoride in water, smoking is good for you and liberates women etc
AdrianG: his legacy is in almost every aspect of our lives today.
mircea_popescu: AdrianG i think you're greatly overestimating some 1920s rando.
AdrianG: mircea_popescu: he's not a rando
trinque: this notion that there was a particular father of propaganda is pretty rich
AdrianG: sure, it was a long time ago, but he is the one who put propaganda on proper industrial scale.
trinque: I am going to guess the documentary Century of the Self
mircea_popescu: "Quick Facts We rebel against the idea that modern software must be large and complex." << "we also rebel against the concept of a fact and sane prosody.
mircea_popescu: what sort of mental disorder must float about in the head of someone confusing phenomena and facts. even leaving aside that "what we do" is usually poorl self-perceived.
AdrianG: mircea_popescu: as seen where?
mircea_popescu: AdrianG yes, how does a third party independently established your guy put propaganda on proper industrial scale.
AdrianG: nazis had a different goal.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform at least hearst wasn't annoying AND poor.
AdrianG: its highly subjective of course.
AdrianG: the process is gradual and particular points will depend on the formulation of you definition.
mircea_popescu: AdrianG nevertheless, what exactly led you to your stated conclusion ?
AdrianG: mircea_popescu: he was first to use psychoanalysis of some sort, and with great success.
AdrianG: and now we have thousands of psychology PhDs/psychiatrists working untold hours to make facebook feel more like crack.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: AdrianG the thesis was "he is the one who put propaganda on proper industrial scale"
AdrianG: mircea_popescu: you need scientific foundation to put something on industrial scale. which he did. and with great success = thus scale.
mircea_popescu: don't flatter yourself, nobody gives a flying fuck what fb feels like to the cows.
AdrianG: why flatter myself? i have nothing to do witht the field.
AdrianG: why would I flatter myself?
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mircea_popescu: but for the record, fb employs something like 10k people. didja know this when you proposed the "thousands of phds" theory ?
AdrianG: asciilifeform: what made you think maxwell was only interested in light? he said so himself somewhere?
mircea_popescu: i did hear of hyperbole. sadly there's a disease running around among the social-mediated youth, which has little to do with the stylistical choice and everything to do with lazy thinking.
mircea_popescu: i guess either 9gag or cracked put that particular brain rot on "industrial footing", depending on whether we credit alf's symbolic supremacy or not.
mircea_popescu: (but really, the kids were lazy long before either of these hot-topic'd the matter)
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BingoBoingo: !up AdrianG For the record Dickens first perfected "Industrial" propaganda
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ben_vulpes: do y'all have "mandatory reporters" in yurp and misc. other "civilized nayshuns"?
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BingoBoingo: From the mines: "There are some issues being filed concerning database corruptions in bitcoin core. Although the problem hasn't been pinpointed to LevelDB, the long-term plan is still to switch to a new, well maintained database." << A Hearnia continues
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ben_vulpes: "People complained recently that we wrote some shitty software. Statement self-declared to be irrelevant to the accusations, hey look a shiny!"
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assbot: Law professor argues in UBC human rights complaint that Indigenous scholars shouldn’t have to publish peer-reviewed research ... (
http://bit.ly/1PhDGN0 )
☟︎ BingoBoingo: "McCue has alleged that peer-reviewed research is contrary to indigenous oral traditions and that UBC’s research standard effectively discriminated against her “race, colour, ancestry, place of origin … and sex.” "
punkman: "Lorna June McCue was denied tenure and ultimately dismissed after 11 years at the university in part because of her failure to submit a single piece of peer-reviewed research during that time. "
punkman: could she have picked a weaker argument?
☟︎ punkman: why do all professors need to publish anyway, can't one just teach?
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BingoBoingo: ;;later tell adlai Sorry, too late for this diff period.
BingoBoingo: I was actually awake for one of these for a change
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BingoBoingo: If you've got time to write it up, I'd have time to publish it.
BingoBoingo: But big black cock is a poor medium for obituaries of great people
jurov: ^ another idea for stego corpus
jurov: "For example, I mean probably all of us have had a mom or a grandmom or an uncle to whom we say, hey, I noticed your legs are swelling again. Fluid retention. Fluid retention."
jurov: Fluid. *pounds on the pulpit* Retention.
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BingoBoingo: So, Federal reserve open market committee meets today. QE4? QE 4ever?
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it occurs to me that the actually correct way to indent your inline else is \tif\t\n\t\telse
assbot: Logged on 26-01-2016 04:08:33; AdrianG: and now we have thousands of psychology PhDs/psychiatrists working untold hours to make facebook feel more like crack.
mircea_popescu: Following a campaign by 100 advocacy groups, Facebook agreed to update its policy on hate speech. The campaign highlighted content promoting domestic and sexual violence against women, and used over 57,000 tweets and more than 4,900 emails that caused withdrawal of advertising from the site by 15 companies, including Nissan UK, House of Burlesque and Nationwide UK. The social media website initially responded by statin
☟︎ mircea_popescu: g that "while it may be vulgar and offensive, distasteful content on its own does not violate our policies".[84] It decided to take action on May 29, 2013, after it "become clear that our systems to identify and remove hate speech have failed to work as effectively as we would like, particularly around issues of gender-based hate."[85]
assbot: Logged on 11-01-2016 19:05:15; mircea_popescu: BUT if the symbol "activist" ran into any trouble... there's a newly minted "educator" symbol to the rescue.
mircea_popescu: b) the derps in question thesmelves however are VERY careful as to how they state the nonsense. it's important that even through the usual muck of pravda it comes through ~how much they worked~ and how ~they vanquished an uncaring, cruel, cold world~, the two pillars of... well basically of socialist realist movies of the 60s.
mircea_popescu: apparently those actually eventually paid off, who knew a whole generation of idle retards was going to be educated by them. hollywood raped moscow just as mosfilm raped san mateo.
mircea_popescu: and finally c) that facebook, just like every other usg corporation, tends to outsource all its workload TO UNPAID THIRD PARTIES.
mircea_popescu: ~you~ "gotta" pay an accountant to keep IRS' files in order. wouldn't it be logical if THEY had to come to you with a "here's how much we think you owe and if we're wriong we'll goi do the math again" ? who's the sovereign here ?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: and similarly you gotta do the phd'ing for facebook, so they figure out whether it's more productive for their goals to include or to exclude strings matching $pattern.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller the corp is allegedly worth 150bn while allegedly 1bn users log in daily.
mircea_popescu: so it's somehow managed to get wallstreet ot pay ONE HUNDRED DOLLARS per active user.
mircea_popescu: if only they were doing this back in the day when usg's own corp didn't exist, america'd have looked a lot different.
mircea_popescu: o wait... usg's own ws didn't exist then yet either huh. a well.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the lifetime economic value per active fb user is MAYBE a cent. doubtfully so.
mircea_popescu: leaving behind a ~150 bn crater in imaginary "wealth" that "could have bought russia" to be accounted for, somehow.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile... everyone's "pensions" bwahahaha are invested in facebook(s). your daddy had not only a better house, not only better shoes, but also a retirement full of alcoa and shell. what a sucker, that dood.
assbot: Logged on 26-01-2016 07:07:34; BingoBoingo: From the mines: "There are some issues being filed concerning database corruptions in bitcoin core. Although the problem hasn't been pinpointed to LevelDB, the long-term plan is still to switch to a new, well maintained database." << A Hearnia continues
thestringpuller: Well digital marketing is a dying field, Facebook tried to pull the "Google route" which helped boost their shareholder confidence but as a long term monetization policy it will fail.
mircea_popescu: "we're narrowly intelligent but broadly speaking stupid, we were raped for our ineptitude by some nobody that mp trampled underfoot without even particularly noticing. really - go use TRB, we'll just follow along quietly to try and learn something"
thestringpuller: or rather it's not worth 150bn dollars, (unless 150bn is worth a lot less than teh so-called fed tells us)
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller it's not worth 150bn even if a loaf of bread were 1k.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The truly lulzy part is the blame is going to Windows antiviruses for deleting arbitrary files from PRB bitcoin databases.
assbot: Logged on 26-01-2016 10:54:57; assbot: Law professor argues in UBC human rights complaint that Indigenous scholars shouldn’t have to publish peer-reviewed research ... (
http://bit.ly/1PhDGN0 )
mircea_popescu: dude, i tell you truly - i fucking hate argentina, these people are as dumb as the delicious cows they raise. nevertheless, sitting here atop a grassy knoll, chowing exceptional beef and homemade apple pies and watching rome burn is a delight for which i am ever thankful.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: this is same phenomenon that has rested on Bitpay, guess goes back to notion of "problem of too much money". When talking with Pierre, he told me "they could probably run the company with two people and have the same amount of business." But the leadership has ADHD.
mircea_popescu: nobody can take this from you, you know ? "i got to fine dine while watching idiots burn. TWICE."
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: Same ineptitude that has cause the parent company of my uranium mine (VMWware) to instantiate 900 layoffs to maintain "normal growth". (Althogh EMC is a terrible terrible company overall).
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller myeah. they don't think properly, ie "hey, mp isn't paying for nascar car, clearly stupid idea" but instead "oh, let's do random $idiocy, we'll be so much better than mp". makes sense, if you're retarded.
punkman: wasn't EMC looking to sell itself?
mircea_popescu: apparently 1bn active fb users are worth more than 10k active office workers.
mircea_popescu: no idea how they figure that one, you can't get a fb account to show up to your office irl./
mircea_popescu: actually, we can do this math. EMC employs 50k mostly indians, and is valued at 25bn.
mircea_popescu: one gram of flesh per FB account, this is almost farmable.
assbot: Logged on 26-01-2016 11:14:40; punkman: could she have picked a weaker argument?
thestringpuller: yea many whales are pulling out of vmware like a slut, killing the stock. So Dell just wants to acquire it for cheap. pump then dump the thing.
mircea_popescu: woman is making a fucking stand against publish or perish ? go her.
BingoBoingo: Well, still hard to do that on publish nothing
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: yea I work for VMWare under the "AirWatch" brand. The leadership is so confused. It's like kindergarteners being in charge of billions of dollars.
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> Could publish peer reviewed tapes << except peers won't review tapes. because it's inept. oral tradition is unlike the written tradition in a fundamental way : it rejects the ~separation~ of knowledge and power. that sound familiar ?
mircea_popescu: that separation discussion with asciilifeform is going to haunt us forever, for it's fucking fundamental.
BingoBoingo: lol, University's desired peers are discriminatory!
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mircea_popescu: see, their driver is, "i don't have time to watch this dumb indian's videos". which is legit, they don't have time.
mircea_popescu: but the notion of time in this particular manner IS oppressive. just ask alf.
BingoBoingo: Indeed, but fuck Canada. It's time for their universities to make all bums peers to the faculty.
mircea_popescu: "nobody in this lab has discovered anything the past decade so now we're putting everyone on arbitrary counters!"
mircea_popescu: "i give myself until 7 pm to fall in love then i'm just getting drunk" or what ?
BingoBoingo: There's people who have lots of time they can spend nothing, and other people for whom managing time is as critical an optimization problem as their budget/hodl
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the "every" thing is not part of the argument as presented tho. how about "give it to just McCue". "i want it too" "get in the wot"
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: Mobile Device Management. (A dying field that boomed like social networks!!!!11). I just want to work for a useful uranium mine.
mircea_popescu: managing time in this sense is only a consideration for assembly line workers.
mircea_popescu: and yes we're nowhere near ready to be happy with the results of unseating the ONLY english contribution to the western civilisation.
BingoBoingo: Ah, It's getting late. Second bolus of coffee is taking its time to work.
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mircea_popescu: "we da people who are poor fundamentally misunderstand what money is and wish to fix it". mkay.
assbot: Logged on 26-01-2016 13:38:36; assbot: Politicians are so predictable, a robot can literally write their speeches - The Washington Post ... (
http://bit.ly/1OMuCy6 )
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo no QE, facebook deflates back to it's ~20mn actual value.
mircea_popescu: none of the "industrial blue chips" do anythning anymore, so you'd be left with a stock market the size of bulgaria's.
mircea_popescu: that this would be quite apt is not terribly material to 'em.
BingoBoingo: Who ever wants to qntra if since alf passed on it can submit. phf?
mircea_popescu: "Some experts have said the field of artificial intelligence is currently experiencing something of a golden age, with deep-learning neural networks making advances in both speech and image recognition." << well, more like a qe age.
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thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: LOL Trace Mayer is critiquing your accounting. "MPEx needs a balance sheet cause I don't understand zero-asset corporations"
pete_dushenski: heh. no one noticed a recent footnote in a recent contravex that mentioned tom cruise in "the day after tomorrow" instead of "the edge of tomorrow". clearly, i need to become more popular with the action movie kidz
pete_dushenski: "a country with a per capita income that is 100% higher than another receives 130% more business travelers and sends 170% more people abroad. This means that business travel tends to grow more than proportionally with the level of development." << or maybe it just means that your 'per capita' bullshit is literally a mean metric of no practical value, just like the "people" it purports to measure.
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PeterL: would also depend on distribution of income
pete_dushenski: quite so, but don't let that get in the way of "the economist"'s story !
PeterL: a country where everybody makes minimum wage would not send anybody abroad, a country with a few rich people would send them travelling
pete_dushenski: "More populous countries have more business travel in both directions, but the volume is less than proportional to their population: a country with 100% more population than another has only about 70% more business travel. This suggests that there are economies of scale in running businesses that favor large countries." << moar derps != more business. but impossibru !!1
pete_dushenski: this obviously has less to do with economies of scale and more to do with quantity not being equal to quality.
PeterL: do they address correlation vs causation?
pete_dushenski: "Ricardo Hausmann, a former minister of planning of Venezuela and former Chief Economist of the Inter-American Development Bank, is Professor of the Practice of Economic Development at Harvard University, where he is also Director of the Center for International Development. He is Chair of the World Economic Forum's Global Agenda Meta-Council on Inclusive Growth." << peterl you think this guy's worried about tec
pete_dushenski: hausmann has a story to tell about how and why poor countries suck, and it's not because they're untrained monkeys, it's because they need more phree airplanes or some shit
pete_dushenski: ya, trace is being willfully ignorant. what else is new.
pete_dushenski: since he's not in the wot, what choice does he have but to pretend like there are no monsters under the bed
thestringpuller: i found it odd he wanted mpex to produce balance sheets to see "cashflow" when he could just add up the dividends and know total profit distributed over the company's lifetime
pete_dushenski: "Interestingly, countries in the developing world differ substantially in the amount of know-how they receive through business travel. For example, countries such as South Africa, Bulgaria, Morocco, and Mauritius receive much more know-how than countries at similar levels of development such as Peru, Colombia, Chile, Indonesia, or Sri Lanka." << probably time to reassess what "development levels" mean then eh.
PeterL: "these countries are the same level because I said so, data does not matter"
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mod6: !up ascii_butugychag
mod6: how goes it asciilifeform
ascii_butugychag: (which had to be dug out ~twice~, 2nd time after bulldozer reburied it)
PeterL: it boggles my mind how much time you spend commuting, you sure it would not be easier to move closer to $job?
mod6: you got stuck in the snow 2x this morning?
mod6: sorry, that sucks. :/
mod6: don't they let you work from home when there is a blizzard?
ascii_butugychag: PeterL: constraints - i insist on living in a house, i insist on renting it, and i refuse to pay over half my wage for it
mod6: my terminal got all hosed up there for a sec.
mod6: anyway, well at least you made it there.
ascii_butugychag: interestingly i appear to be the only one at $firm with any sort of serious commute
PeterL: does everybody else get paid more than you?
PeterL: and is that $4-5k per month?
ascii_butugychag: pete_dushenski: where i live it is the ultimate taboo, to even hint at asking
ascii_butugychag: but based on various clues, nobody is getting outlandishly rich
mircea_popescu: <thestringpuller> mircea_popescu: LOL Trace Mayer is critiquing << i have no idea who that is, but zhe'd better get with the program because i don't see a future for whatever wot she's in.
mod6: it's over in OR, i'll have ben drive it over to yah :D
mircea_popescu: <pete_dushenski> hausmann has a story to tell about how and why poor countries suck, and it's not because they're untrained monkeys, it's because they need more phree airplanes or some shit <<< venezuela is what happened after a gaddafi died of natural causes. yes the usg 5th column's unhappy that it has not yet been invited to save venezuela, they were predicting $$$ years ago.
mircea_popescu: i tohught that was called a prince albert. it's brockchain now ?
mircea_popescu: <ascii_butugychag> mod6: that thing is worth more than my organs << typical alf. has collection of organs, complains about life.
mircea_popescu: we don't even have a single harmonica per capita over here yo!
mircea_popescu: in other news, names like "trace mayer" SHOULD be obsolete.
mircea_popescu: get a fucking human name why don't you. what is this mug costanza and rifling jones bs.
ascii_butugychag: incidentally afaik knuth is the last living among the folks-who-made-usa-worth-not-glassing
mircea_popescu: unless of course there's some King Trace in the glorious history of that great nation of africa that i'm unfamiliar with.
mircea_popescu: at least I HAVE A DAMNED GOOD REASON or twenty to make the zeroconf accounting rules.
PeterL: what kind of funny name is "Mircea"?
mircea_popescu: what the fuck reason did mrs mayer have to eschew calling her boy rachel or whatever the fuck they do in her tribe.
mircea_popescu: PeterL ah, but in the god forsaken country of romania, there's a bunch of kings called that.
ascii_butugychag: i imagine that if the modern shitworld somehow survived for another few centuries, there would be programmer names the way we currently have smith names
PeterL: so you can only name people after kings?
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag i'm not fucking anything called "zero hacker" i'll tell you that.
mircea_popescu: PeterL yes. you may only name kids after famous dead people.
PeterL: how about family members?
mircea_popescu: PeterL well familty members were named through the same process, so...
PeterL: Ok, then am I allowed to name my kid after my 19th century ancestor Heman?
PeterL: I keep trying to do this, but for some reason my wife shot that one down
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: eagle eyes. this was an artifact of my keyboard
PeterL: no, I am immune to subtext
mircea_popescu: the subtext is that random derp with no skin in the game is running his mouth.
PeterL: and you can tell this by his name?
mircea_popescu: i can tell this by constructing a humorous equivalent ot his "mpex should", except mine is both actually funny and to a much larger degree defensible.
pete_dushenski: "In occasione della visita del presidente iraniano Hassan Rohani in Campidoglio sono state coperte da pannelli bianchi su tutti e quattro i lati alcune statue di nudi dei Musei Capitolini. La copertura sarebbe stata decisa come forma di rispetto alla cultura e sensibilità iraniana. Tanto che durante le cerimonie istituzionali non è stato servito nemmeno il vino." << "bow to your betters!" (tm) (r)
pete_dushenski: who the fuck is rohani anyways ? charlemagne coming to save you ?
mircea_popescu: hey, i regularly order the slavegirls draped when friends visit
mircea_popescu: " Asking Price: $18,500" da fuck alfie, i had no idea you hold musical instruments in quite such low esteem.
mod6: pete_dushenski: yah ~ cost of seat @ MPEx
pete_dushenski: and less than one year of 'bloomberg terminal' (checked this out last night, it's $24k per annum)
mod6 pictures alf bashing cars out of his way as he traverses the beltway
mod6: !up ascii_butugychag
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: though 'bloomberg anywhere' works on ios and android
PeterL: must run winblows VM on your linux box
ascii_butugychag: pete_dushenski: if 'not a poorfag', can hire a reverser and make linux client.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: even more scandalous is that there's 300`000 dudes who post up this cash. every. year.
PeterL: or get ascii_butugychag to reverse engineer something for you ;)
pete_dushenski: ascii_butugychag: i'll pass that along to my phriends at goldman
mircea_popescu: i think there's fewer people paying their own bloomberg terminal than there's people with a legitimate research interest in ai.
mircea_popescu occasionally runs into midrange business derps who emit things such as "unlicensed computer"
mircea_popescu: cuz you know, "what if da police comes to inquire where your windows licenses are"
ascii_butugychag was the keeper of a linux cluster at a u.s. army thing and had a pile of magical spells, paperwork, etc. to keep the devils away from it
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: this is, or at least was, an actual thing in usa. 'spa' inspectors, demanding licenses
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: there were radio ads in canada maybe 3 years ago threatening "$100k fine per violation if w4rez discovered on sme bizniz comps"
mircea_popescu: hey, i'm not the one living there. tell it to each other.
assbot: Logged on 26-01-2016 16:05:04; mircea_popescu: "Some experts have said the field of artificial intelligence is currently experiencing something of a golden age, with deep-learning neural networks making advances in both speech and image recognition." << well, more like a qe age.
ascii_butugychag: (there was a spiffy talk at shmoo, which mentioned how nn used in image recognition usually imprints on what - to a human - would be an entirely accidental cluster of pixels, and if you flip'em, it will recognize an obvious, e.g,. cat, as a refrigerator, etc)
☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎ ascii_butugychag: (somehow the conclusion that 'computers you can't program' don't belong in a security application, is lost on folks)
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: it is/was (?) the software equivalent of riaa/mpaa
mircea_popescu: let them in, tie them to a steel girder, beat the shit out of them for six hours then call the cops and press charges.
ascii_butugychag: so, in usa ~being sued~ typically costs you your net worth + some, if you're a poorfag
ascii_butugychag: it gets away with whatever in exactly the same way as the usg it is a tendril of
mircea_popescu: start beating the shit out of derps pretending to things, see the wunderbar world that emerges next week.
ascii_butugychag: last i checked, it was usg beating the shit out of derps pretending to sovereign
PeterL: "I'm just trying to ..."
PeterL: Yoda: There is no try.
mircea_popescu: it's not a la mode because i didn't want to trigger you.
mircea_popescu: you have that much in common with 1980s inteligentsia in the other usg.
ascii_butugychag: but see, in the other usg, you could actually take up those professions and still live like a white man
ascii_butugychag: furnace stoker, night watchman, etc. were beloved trades of thinking folk
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mircea_popescu: soviets had a russian > cecen thing going, as a matter of course if not as a matter of law.
mircea_popescu: well that, yes. what do you think is always and forever at the fundament of " you could [] still live like a white man" ?
mircea_popescu: gotta define white man! through the exclusion of someone, somewhere.
ascii_butugychag: the man-vermin separation is the whole concept of civilization imho.
ascii_butugychag: this, like any operation against a thermodynamic gradient, is a fragile and temporary thing, and tends to end bloodily, but it is why we have computer and not fucking-goat
ascii_butugychag: incidentally, mircea_popescu has a mega-point in that su, unlike british empire, was self-contained, had own set of coolies
mircea_popescu: hm, i can't find the one where i said that the only way to have "justice" is to oppress some derps, but anyway.
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shinohai: node is now running mod6 's latest patch, running beautifully \o/
pete_dushenski: came up in search for 'no culture without oppression' quote
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla re email : yes there are contingency plans. no they will not be discussed, with anyone. not until after we've salted the earth where the last "parliament" / "presidential residence" etc stood.
☟︎ mod6: thanks for testing shinohai
pete_dushenski: maybe 24hr qc test at factory facility before shipping to permanent data centre.
assbot: Logged on 26-01-2016 17:46:54; mircea_popescu: kakobrekla re email : yes there are contingency plans. no they will not be discussed, with anyone. not until after we've salted the earth where the last "parliament" / "presidential residence" etc stood.
mircea_popescu: more like "if you want a billet to help - the application desk is over there ; if not, isn't there some welfare line you sohuld be in ?"
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mircea_popescu: you applied ~3 years ago. we're still waiting on delivery of the first item, aka the cardano.
mircea_popescu: hope as they might that they'll get a certification to substitute absence of actual skill, the world still runs on physics rather than metaphysics.
mircea_popescu: and yes, i get it, everyone everywhere is holding their precious self in dear esteem and waiting for a better deal.
mircea_popescu: then there's a funeral, and a rehash of the process in younger derps.
ascii_butugychag: on mircea_popescu's planet of immortal titans it might be different, but where i live there is ~always~ a funeral and a rehash of the process with younger derp
mircea_popescu: i meant of the specific "i'll wait for a better deal" process.
ascii_butugychag: in not entirely unrelated news, i'm reading mailz from world-phamous crypto guy and it is signed with 'android privary guard'
mircea_popescu: of course... suppose a man plays with a model car. is he insane now ?
mod6: !up ascii_butugychag
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag this is true. i suppose the matter is open to your evaluation, if he was actually driving the matchbox aroundf or not.
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu yeah i sent the guy to your logline.
ascii_butugychag: unrelatedly, anybody here ever harness ssd in raid box ? did they die in unison ?
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag if you use at least 8, you get one that always dies first.
kakobrekla: i have ssds in raid but no deaths, just poor performance
mircea_popescu: oh, it was empirically obtained, i didn't theoretically determine it.
ascii_butugychag: i've been running sets of 4 in raid5 (parity, lose-1) for about a decade
mircea_popescu: what happens is that one dies, at which point you swap out not IT, but the whole bank.
mircea_popescu: then during the next week you'll be sweeping out the other bank too
kakobrekla: most all raid controlers idiotically need specific hdds for full speed performance
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mircea_popescu: there's a one that leads the pack, then the bulk of failures, then a coupla heros left behind, fwis.
mircea_popescu: i suppose in pre-postindustrial world, only the heros would havge been shipped, but what can you do.
ascii_butugychag: and these were proper honest whole-box deaths, or just fail-to-write ?
kakobrekla: does 3ware have something modern (not isa or pci slot) that doesnt cost an arm and a leg?
mircea_popescu: some actually bricked, some had bizarro but recoverable issues, etc.
mircea_popescu: iirc fail to write just allocates from the spare cells
ascii_butugychag: then it gives error when writing block and ends up dropped from array
mircea_popescu: yeah but this is easy to check, better controllers say
hanbot: i admit nothing! (yes)
mod6: haha, workin on gettin that new box setup?
hanbot: i was, yeah. and i used to, thestringpuller, sure.
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: i like raid5, among other reasons, because it makes life very painful for boobytrapped hdd supplier
☟︎ ascii_butugychag: (it instead introduced boobytrapped raid card, but i can deal with those more easily)
mircea_popescu: i don't think i've ever used anything other than 1+0 combos.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the arrangement is seriously boosted by the historical accident of spinning hdds.
mircea_popescu: it is practically impossible to get 3 dead, say "fix these so that you can reconstruct one out of these two" and not get it done.
mircea_popescu: so realistically, if you've two or more failures, your odds of recovering from data loss are still well in the 80%+ range.
mircea_popescu: no, when magic worker in the saving data lab gets to carefully reconstruct hdds under inert gas.\
mircea_popescu: a reflection of my i don't like or trust raid controllers earlier stance
ascii_butugychag: and i like the fact that no one hdd gets to decide what is in my boot sector.
mircea_popescu: "oh i like the fact that no one man decides what is in the lawbook"
ascii_butugychag: 'voting circuit' is unfortunately the one and only way to make machine, that does not fail, out of shit parts.
ascii_butugychag: interestingly, it is possible to arrange the pieces in such a way that there is no voting circuit as such (as central point of failure)
ascii_butugychag: btw minsky was quite possibly the most intellectually honest fella in the whole field
ascii_butugychag: in that he not only invented neural net, but single-handedly proved that his original conception (which meanwhile spawned a mega-research-bubble) was a dead end
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ascii_butugychag: (multilayer nn with backpropagation was invented ~much~ later)
ascii_butugychag: the only comparable monument to scientific honesty i know of was the fella on the other side of the ocean, in su, with polywater
ascii_butugychag: who discovered, and then ~undiscovered~, apologized for mistake, demolished bubble of charlatans.
ascii_butugychag: french physics was wanking over imaginary rays until he died !
mod6: !up ascii_butugychag
ascii_butugychag: minsky, incidentally, also invented confocal microscope. and ocular display.
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assbot: Logged on 26-01-2016 15:26:56; mircea_popescu: ~you~ "gotta" pay an accountant to keep IRS' files in order. wouldn't it be logical if THEY had to come to you with a "here's how much we think you owe and if we're wriong we'll goi do the math again" ? who's the sovereign here ?
assbot: Logged on 26-01-2016 19:34:52; thestringpuller: hanbot: plays diablo?
ascii_butugychag: danielpbarron: filing is optional if you work for gold dubloons, aha
ascii_butugychag: and incidentally, it is well-known why american tax system is complicated and requires many precise calculations by the victim
ascii_butugychag: -- it is so that he gets a chance to fuck it up and pay mega-penalty
ascii_butugychag: (hiring an accountaint does not necessarily prevent this, by american law, accountant is not liable)
ascii_butugychag: this is why, even if you work for usg, they pay you and then you have to send the exact amount, ~calculated by you~, back...
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PeterL: I got my tax form from my previous emplyer yesterday, realized they had me down for 11 exemptions and withheld no fed taxes.
PeterL: (should have been 5 or 6)
PeterL: might actually end up owing fed taxes, usually i get several $k back at tax time from the feds
trinque: PeterL: it doesn't hurt to keep your own calculations on hand; I've had employers screw up in all directions
trinque: one switched payroll companies midway through the year, and somehow they both ended up filing a w2 on my behalf, roughly doubling the amount the feds expected to receive until I persuaded them otherwise
thestringpuller: ascii_butugychag: yes. and the penalty for not paying is jail time with butt rapin' niggas.
mod6: !up ascii_butugychag
ascii_butugychag: thestringpuller: but in practice the folks who sit down in jail are white middle class types, for whom the amount owed is known exactly in real time by usg every time they get salary, and never mexican 'illegals' who work for bags of benjie.
ascii_butugychag: also typically the penalty is confiscation, jail is for especially uppity folks who are judged to have ~actively~ tried to cheat the crown
danielpbarron: you guys mean to say 'prison' ; 'jail' is temporary holding between arrest and trial
ascii_butugychag: 'prison, like the grave, can find room for everyone' (tm) (r) (ru)
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mod6: !up ascii_butugychag
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thestringpuller: ascii_butugychag: Spinning around in my chair screaming at excel.
☟︎ thestringpuller: no way to avoid microshit in a department full of Marketing girls.
adlai: ascii_butugychag: prison needs a sovereign benefactor to maintain, lest it "go private" (or become just a regular old dungeon pit)
ascii_butugychag: it is interesting to read about how dungeon pits worked in the near east
adlai: mno. you want the one with the TV and complimentary pogoplugs
adlai must confess that the first reassuring thought that crossed his mind post-arrest was, after the initial shock wore off, "at least I get what Socrates was killed for deserving"
ascii_butugychag: generally you would not end up in one unless whoever put you there believed that someone will come up with the money to have you ransomed, or - alternatively - pay to have you put out of your misery
adlai: ascii_butugychag: what happened to the future-corpses left to rot?
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adlai was arrested in targential connection with the international tulip trade... or was it some other flower?
adlai: although "in" is a suggestive word, here. I wasn't "in" anything, my acquaintance with the jail/prison/dungeon/etc system is tangential, academic, etc
☟︎ adlai leaves the inside scoop to brave men such as chuckles shroom
adlai: !up ascii_butugychag
adlai: !s from:ascii* coke
adlai: (rings a bell but i'll have to verify)
ascii_butugychag: i predicted that in the near future, some people (possibly including some of the folks here) may find themselves inside a kind of pit prison
ascii_butugychag: for so long as a certain address has a positive btc balance, prisoner gets to eat.
adlai: whence the power bill once all the prisoners starve out of poverty and/or spite?
adlai: do you insert the btc buyers who paid power bill until today as the new victims?
BingoBoingo: <PeterL> I got my tax form from my previous emplyer yesterday, realized they had me down for 11 exemptions and withheld no fed taxes. << Shoulda made more children
ascii_butugychag: how the coin gets to the address, is not specified. perhaps it is posted on the walls of the prison. perhaps there is a place to key in private key. etc
adlai: human brains are terrible at this kind of task (mining/recalling private keys)
adlai: not that i'm much of an expert on torture, but my guess is that you want to "break" the victim as quickly as possible, get as many high-value keys in one messy week, then release spent shell as positive example for next victim
ascii_butugychag: no coin, no problem, the floor detects once you've quit breathing and opens to the ferment reactor.
adlai is reminded also of this one beckett play, ends with the mime waiting for fingernails to grow toa useful length
ascii_butugychag: how to price the meals, as i said, is a case-by-case matter, it will depend on the suspected net worth of the inmate, whether he has someone on the outside to supply ransom, etc.
adlai: all i'm saying is that this is not a sustainable business model
adlai: 0/10 would not reinvest
ascii_butugychag: catch just one ulbricht and you pay back 10,000 years of running empty.
adlai: aha, it's not a business model... it's a business ~venture~. a lottery.
adlai refrains from continuing the "1984 was not a how-to manual" department
ascii_butugychag: if adlai knows how to rigorously prove the 'coke machine' to be -EV, i would like to hear.
adlai: hmm,i'm not sure i like that connotation. can't lotteries be 0EV, zero-sum games?
ascii_butugychag: because, for instance, it will soften the chances of us ending up in one
ascii_butugychag: adlai: in practice, it has to be worth somebody's while to run the game
danielpbarron: what use is anyone in such a pit? why would anyone pay into it?
adlai defers to an oft-repeated meniism: "if you care about friendly AI, donate to stephen wolfram" (or was it that other fanfic author?)
adlai: ascii_butugychag: would you call bitcoin mining a lottery?
adlai: danielpbarron: iiuc you don't befriend them out of pity, you cough up coin to get your friend back outside of the matchbox
ascii_butugychag: at any rate, this is a bog-standard minor variation on the ancient theme of kidnapping, with the added twist that the victim can pay his own ransom
danielpbarron: well this is the first mention of the possibility of escape
ascii_butugychag: but as with the old pit dungeons ('zindan') of bukhara, etc. the 'escape' part is optional
adlai: allowing inmates communication with the outside world (cf "dear dad, send money") widens the scope beyond even my analytic capabilities
ascii_butugychag: adlai: that is part of the scheme, yes. schmuck can go and beg for ransom to keep him alive (or alternatively to pay for a faster death)
polarbeard: cubechain, like cube but with the blockchain
polarbeard: it follows the current trend, we will soon watch it in cinemas
ascii_butugychag: there is certainly precedent; englishmen subjected to the peine forte et dure were sometimes permitted to invite relatives, friends, to add weights or jump on the plank
adlai: hypercubechain, entered by unsuspecting cashers-out when they tour their newly-built homes :D
adlai: paying for a faster death seems a sounder business model, cf 'death with dignity'
adlai: "all btc" is finite, forever; "btc movable by inmate" is finite per inmate; latter decreases an inmates remain. at some point inmate must know they'll run out of starvation preventatives, and it's just cost optimization for everybody involved to opt out
adlai: s/an inmates remain/as long as inmates remain alive, paying out their btc/
polarbeard: I like how cube's cover spoils all the movie in four words: 'fear paranoia suspicion desesperation'
adlai: so the only way i see this being a +EV sustainable enterprise, rather than a "let's hope the next one is hal finney's long-lost grandson", is if you entrap dearly beloved members of families/clans prepared to enter indentured servitude to keep the inmate alive
ascii_butugychag: for completeness, the operating cost of the coke machine cannot be assumed to be zero
adlai: right, you need slave income > power bill
ascii_butugychag: works best as an institution at the heart of an evil empire with massive standing army, etc.
ascii_butugychag: (gotta have some way of keeping folks from simply busting people out. as usg famously failed to do in iraq.)
adlai: slavery is unsustainable when overleveraged
ascii_butugychag: 'market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent' (tm) (r)
polarbeard: a cheap way would be to actually destroy your physical body and upload your mind to a virtual torture chamber
adlai: fwiw original quote is s/you/$0 or i/
assbot: Logged on 26-01-2016 20:03:12; ascii_butugychag: in that he not only invented neural net, but single-handedly proved that his original conception (which meanwhile spawned a mega-research-bubble) was a dead end
adlai: polarbeard: this is not self-inflicted. a being capable of simulating your mind/soul/etc should be able to drain your btc and subsequently reclaim wasted resources
adlai: in other words, if the coke machine is +EV, then bitcoin's Existence will at least prove that "but he loves you" (carlin)
polarbeard: that's why it would be cheap, the torturing is only for keeping the mind busy while the program inspects it
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: minsky's proof bulldozed funding for 'ai' for many years; often called the first 'ai winter'
mircea_popescu: if we wish to credit phenomena with intension, it did.
adlai notes that "full program obfuscation", like "fully homomorphic encryption", Exists less than even Bitcoin
adlai: ascii_butugychag: fwiw, Bitcoin is its own (decentralized, to boot!) coke machine
ascii_butugychag: and yes, minsky had nfi that he would thermonuke the whole racket
ascii_butugychag: but he ~could~ have derped on, as many do, despite knowing that the perceptron is provably useless
adlai: and here by "Bitcoin" i mean b,tmsr~, along with all the human rabble trailing along its fringes,and their fringes, and theirs, all the way out to the eight billionth... one giant wetware cokemachine.
adlai: "want your next meal to include complimentary vintage symbolics memorabilia? donate extra 3 btc"
ascii_butugychag: adlai: is this a reference to how i'd like my lisp machine to be brought as weight to me peine forte et dure ?
adlai: !up ascii_butugychag
assbot: Logged on 26-01-2016 23:18:22; thestringpuller: ascii_butugychag: Spinning around in my chair screaming at excel.
adlai: it's a reference to 'et omnia ex machina', if i may (deus ex machina meets vanitas vanitatis)
adlai: xml is too context-unaware, these days all the cool scams use RDF
assbot: Logged on 26-01-2016 23:24:47; adlai: although "in" is a suggestive word, here. I wasn't "in" anything, my acquaintance with the jail/prison/dungeon/etc system is tangential, academic, etc
adlai: ascii_butugychag: so, even if no single Sovereign invests in building and powering a coke machine (or worst - CMaaS! cloud coking! etc), my point is that the collected actions of all eight billion / fifteen thousand / etc sovereigns does turn the rock into a bit of a coke machine