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pete_dushenski: completely nuts.
ben_vulpes: call dhl breh
chetty: http://blogged.com/ search for 4096
chetty: the replacement story is already up hehe
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes i've used fedex freight before, they'll come pick up the package from wherever and deliver it wherever.
pete_dushenski: but box it up for you ? i'd be surprised.
ben_vulpes: your privilege is dripping on the floor
pete_dushenski: wtf my privilege nothing. i'm getting on a plane tmrw morning and it's not so much to ask to have a seller of goods to crate a fucking table for transport.
ben_vulpes: heh
pete_dushenski: or w/e, mebbe my privilege knows no bounds. hey, i'm not the one losing business.
ben_vulpes: win some lose some
pete_dushenski: ya, tis just a table.
pete_dushenski: i didn't want one that bad when i woke up, just saw the right one at the right price and wanted it.
pete_dushenski: ah well.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45707 @ 0.00027956 = 12.7778 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: mwell i'm off for a spell
ben_vulpes: trying out a new fried chicken joint
decimation: pete_dushenski: surprising. I thought those kinds of tourist shops specialized in shipping
pete_dushenski: decimation seriously. you'd think so, but you'd think wrong.
pete_dushenski: i guess there's enough local demand in this retirement town that they don't have to try.
pete_dushenski: very nice, seemingly helpful staff, entirely inept.
pete_dushenski: http://www.barclays-exchange.com << these guys.
pete_dushenski: "We have been in business for nearly 26 years and hold a full pawnbroking license to buy, sell and loan." << no mention of shipping eh...
decimation: fun fact: there's a part of vancouver, bc that is us territory (point roberts)
decimation: also, victoria is well south of the canada-us border
danielpbarron: !up pete_dushenski
pete_dushenski: danielpbarron ty!
pete_dushenski: decimation that it is. though victoria feels like a million miles away from us-istan.
decimation: heh. I guess I can see why a pawn shop wouldn't bother with shipping
pete_dushenski: decimation why's that ?
decimation: I suppose they figure enough derps would come and go on foot
decimation: but I imagine that they could sell on the internet for $$
decimation: their website is unwhelming
pete_dushenski: these guys obviously fail at the internet.
pete_dushenski: so shooting themselves in the foot is par for the course, i guess.
decimation: pete_dushenski: are you planing on visiting any other outlying islands or the rest of bc from there?
pete_dushenski: not this time 'round.
pete_dushenski: i've seen most of bc previously, just hadn't been to vic in a while.
pete_dushenski: i went to summer camp nearby in my youth
pete_dushenski: http://campmiriam.org << this one.
pete_dushenski: sacha baron cohen went to another camp in the same organisation ;)
decimation: heh did they teach hebrew?
pete_dushenski: more socialism.
pete_dushenski: seriously, the shit in my veins !
pete_dushenski: "solidarity forever", "ticky tacky houses", etc.
decimation: I got screwed of out learn german from my german heritage too
pete_dushenski: ya, i didn't get german or romanian somehow.
pete_dushenski: this camp though had *daily* chores for like 2.5 hours.
pete_dushenski: camp, where you do chores, imagine.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11550 @ 0.00028607 = 3.3041 BTC [+] {2}
pete_dushenski: some kids helped in teh kitchen, some cleaning garbage.
decimation: like, sweeping the forest?
decimation: sounds like a good way to save on staff costs
pete_dushenski: i wrote for the newspaper, wrote mad magazine-esque fake nooz
pete_dushenski: decimation no doubt. it wasn't *that* expensive, at least compared to the bbyo summer camps.
mats: ever cut grass with a pair of scissors?
pete_dushenski: mats haha omg no. why ? have you ?
mats: yeah. as punishment.
pete_dushenski: parents ?
mats: http://www.vfp62.com/IMAGES_9/mowing_grass.jpg
pete_dushenski: you call that grass ? i trim more manbush than that on a monthly basis.
mats: builds character (tm)
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-05-2015#1135775 <<< heh we had this even here but i'd walk off with the group which cleaned dishes the night before, never washed as much as a plate☝︎
assbot: Logged on 18-05-2015 00:39:54; pete_dushenski: some kids helped in teh kitchen, some cleaning garbage.
mats: i spent the whole day (0900-1600) with some other trainees cutting grass at battalion hq because one of the nubs in my squad saved his granola bar from the mess hall and put it in his locker where it was discovered
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-05-2015#1135780 <<< did this one countless times, not as punishment though, old man forced me to do it along the fenceline so he didn't have to whippersnip it☝︎
assbot: Logged on 18-05-2015 00:43:05; mats: ever cut grass with a pair of scissors?
mats: http://terminallance.com/2015/04/10/terminal-lance-374-no-party-like-a-working-party << basically this.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27523 @ 0.00028624 = 7.8782 BTC [+]
mats: i drank something like 6-7 litres of water that day... missouri is hot as fuck during the summer
mats: cazalla: how much fence? several km?
cazalla: 1/4 acre block
cazalla: wasn't just me though, he had my mother out there doing the same thing
danielpbarron: !up referredbyloper
mats: ah
mats: in other news, the new Mad Max picture is quite good
pete_dushenski: that's a bit of a surprise.
mats: http://www.metacritic.com/movie/mad-max-fury-road << surprised metacritic treats it so well
mats: (they tend to shit on everything)
cazalla: aussie football ceremony lol http://gfycat.com/ThirdWeeklyChital
decimation: mats http://www.returnofkings.com/63036/why-you-should-not-go-see-mad-max-feminist-road
danielpbarron: !up pete_dushenski
mats: decimation: i'm just happy to find a fun action movie that passes the Bechdel test
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16821 @ 0.00028624 = 4.8148 BTC [+]
pete_dushenski: heh.
pete_dushenski: http://filmschoolrejects.com/features/10-famous-films-that-surprisingly-fail-the-bechdel-test.php?all=1
decimation: well, then sjw is where it's at
danielpbarron: !up justJanne
justJanne: Nah, I was just reading on the RSA factorization article where someone claimed this channel would still DDoS everyone who joins. Sadly I can’t see any of that (was hoping to see if it actually is true xD)
danielpbarron: it comes and goes
justJanne: I mean, I see some traffic, but it’s minimal.
BingoBoingo: justJanne: It isn't anything done by any of the channel regulars. It's just some butthurt dickbag with an excess of unwarranted self importance who imagines they are saving the world by DoSing every ip they spot here
justJanne: Reminds me of that guy spamming a gaming channel with links to their DDoSing company
danielpbarron: i heard that it just targets the user who most recently joined, and especially if it is a new hostmask
BingoBoingo: justJanne: Well the person doing it at first called themselves the reddit police and started by DoS'ing sites affiliated with regulars here. Then the sites beefed up and weren't so easy to DoS. So now they's had to settle for messing with home internet connections.
justJanne: I got some traffic on my system from 159.118.187.45 accessing my server via HTTPS and sending a few thousand GET requests, but nothing really devastating
williamdunne: lol what a tool
justJanne: (I have a bouncer on my server with 1Gbps connection, so I rarely notice DDoS at all)
mats: he's doing us a favor.
BingoBoingo: People examining the traffic spotted that most of the zombies were ntp reflection and stuff anyone could walk away with, and they likely did leaving less to hit here with.
mats: if you read this -- please stop by for another friendly conversation
justJanne: I have null-routed NTP and everything anyway
justJanne: So, they really DDoS random people?
justJanne: or, rather DoS
BingoBoingo: justJanne: Yeah, just anyone without a freenode cloak who joins when their spybot is online here to pull the trigger
justJanne: BingoBoingo: tell me when the bot is online, I’d like to analyze the traffic xD
adlai: is it an altcoin? is it a bubble? no, it's driveby moderation: http://hnrankings.info/9560790/
BingoBoingo: justJanne: I dunno what nick it uses. Never much cared to try identifying it.
adlai: (cf http://www.righto.com/2013/11/how-hacker-news-ranking-really-works.html )
justJanne: BingoBoingo: It should be easy to find.
danielpbarron: !s fivezerotwo
assbot: 204 results for 'fivezerotwo' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=fivezerotwo
danielpbarron: justJanne, ^ for you
danielpbarron: !s from:fuddos
assbot: 7 results for 'from:fuddos' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Afuddos
justJanne: Sometimes when I get DDoSd I run nmap against the attacking servers, one time I found a small IRC server with only one channel, in which were 256 clients all with just a number as name, and one other client sending specific commands every few minutes
justJanne: kinda interesting.
danielpbarron: justJanne, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=08-12-2014#948443 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 08-12-2014 17:59:30; asciilifeform: incidentally, if anyone bothered to read the packet dump i posted a while ago, they should know that the ddos bot uses misconfigured consumer routers (upnp reflection)
danielpbarron: and this http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2015#966322 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 06-01-2015 01:32:50; asciilifeform: svetlana: i got a massive packet dump, and so has kakobrekla
trinque: http://hnrankings.info/9560839,9561606,9561693,9561599,9561920,9560426,9560904,9560790,9561920/
trinque: check out that precipitous drop
trinque: and the abrupt rise of the rebuttal
trinque: it'll be interesting to see how much longer that stays at #1
williamdunne: justJanne: Thats an IRC botnet
williamdunne: Pretty oldschool method
justJanne: assumed as much, but I have no experience with them yet, and was surprised seeing one in the wild
adlai wonders whether any of the strongset edges point to the diddle
williamdunne: Guessing for some reason they thought it would be a swell idea to use the IRC server for additional DDoS power?
williamdunne: !up justjanne
justJanne: but yeah, I was kinda surprised, would have assumed they’d put the control for the botnet on a different system
justJanne: at least so that one doesn’t discover their botnet that easily
oglafbot: http://oglaf.com/ragtrade/
justJanne: anyway, let’s wait for that DDoS-bot ;P
danielpbarron: justJanne, while you're waiting, read this: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets
justJanne: danielpbarron: looking into it, but just found out my last GPG key’s validity ends this month
decimation: justJanne: no problem, make a new subkey or extend the date
decimation: justJanne: Someone compiled a list of ips that originate dos'er
justJanne: Meh, too lazy to copy it from my other PC, I’ll just make a new one and sign it with my old key later
decimation: you can see the logs at log.bitcoin-assets.com
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mircea_popescu: lol janne 18yo female ? srsly ?
mircea_popescu: !up justJanne
justJanne: Yes, why?
mircea_popescu: these guys keep saying it's forbidden on irc.
justJanne: oh, btw, need to update that.
williamdunne: Hmm wonder whos younger out of me and Janne
justJanne: sorry, forgot to update it -.-
justJanne: am 19
mircea_popescu: that totally kills the whole thing. i bet you're not even from cali.
justJanne: nah, northern Germany
mircea_popescu: scam.
justJanne: just another compsci student
mircea_popescu: anyway, get in the wot, then you can voice.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/full-disclosure-4096-rsa-key-in-the-strongset-factored/#comment-114229 << lol check it out, ~they~ are going to ~lend me~ credence. i've been visited by backwards world wtf is with today.
justJanne: I am registered with assbot, but no one levelled me up yet ;P
cazalla: 14/f/cali oldest fbi trick in the book
williamdunne: You need a lord to do that
mircea_popescu: !rate justJanne 1 55 yo Pittsburgh steel mill worker posing as 19 yo girl on the interwebs.
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/3ce24e592e5d8bcf
justJanne: Nooo
justJanne: If you want, you can mail me on my student mail, I’m real stu120691@informatik.uni-kiel.de >_>
mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.justJanne.1:44086df839c6a505edd1681e3dff4c96ffd5990b1c9abddd93c99f55a195008c
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for justJanne with note: 55 yo Pittsburgh steel mill worker posing as 19 yo girl on the interwebs.
mircea_popescu: justJanne well on the plus side now you can voice.
williamdunne: justJanne: I'm pretty sure a 55 yo Pittsburgh steel mill worker would have the connections to get one of those there fancy emails
decimation: koennen Sie ein bisschen Deutsch schreiben?
justJanne: ja, wieso?
adlai: !t m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00026733 / 0.00027828 / 0.00028748 (2307220 shares, 642.06 BTC), 7D: 0.00023904 / 0.00026467 / 0.00029014 (38353417 shares, 10,151.15 BTC), 30D: 0.00019511 / 0.00026548 / 0.00033918 (109094749 shares, 28,962.95 BTC)
decimation: bitte schreiben Sie eine Kurzbiographie?
adlai: is the middle number vwap?
williamdunne: ich habe eine gross hose schlange is about all I remember from three years of German lessons
williamdunne: And ich bin zwolf jahre alt
williamdunne: But I couldn't update that to my current age
justJanne: Die wird aber ganz kurz ausfallen müssen ;P Ist auch nicht viel zu sagen – Geboren in then 90ern, ganz normal Grundschule, bin mit 8 ins Hochbegabtenförderungsprogramm gekommen, hab neben der Schule interessantes Zeug gelernt, dann Gymnasium, hab mit 16 neben der Schule angefangen zu studieren, und hab mit 18 Abitur mit 2,2 gemacht. Bin seit letztem Herbst Vollstudentin ;)
decimation: ^ sufficiently idomatic to pass the google translate test
justJanne: you could have just looked at my hostname ;P
decimation: justJanne: given your interest in this gpg episode, there is something that you could assist with
decimation: can you identify the supposed "german email program" that was supposedly the source of these weak keys?
mircea_popescu: decimation wait, we're progressed past the "it occured while copying" to obscure email programs naoi ?
mircea_popescu: jeez how the world changes in a coupla hours based on what's said in b-a log, you'd think we're talking to gavin-the-handpuppet & co.
decimation: heh yeah lemme find a link
justJanne: Yeah, I probably can.
mircea_popescu: not that we aren't, just, lulz factor.
decimation: it's in the comments of that article that replaced yours on hacker news https://blog.hboeck.de/archives/872-About-the-supposed-factoring-of-a-4096-bit-RSA-key.html
decimation: "I don't really know, but I talked to Nadia Heninger about it and she mentioned that they were probably created by some email software only used in Germany. "
decimation: Note that your headline was dinged for being inaccurate, while this guy's blog is more inaccurate by his own admission
justJanne: That's very helpful. NOT ;P
mircea_popescu: herpitty derp.
mircea_popescu: anyway, to quote myself, "I will write up an article addressing this particular set of bullshit tomorrow. I promise it will be good. Engage bated breath."
justJanne: Hmm.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-05-2015#1135600 << heh the blessed 90%. "nothing may ever get done!!1"☝︎
assbot: Logged on 17-05-2015 22:51:31; DreadKnight: the project gets small contributions constantly, but when it comes to bigger stuff, people tend to vanish at about 90% progress xD
decimation: https://mvideos.stanford.edu/graduate#/SeminarDetail/Spring/2015/EE/380/9469 < this Nadia Heniger chick claims that rsa keys can be poorly generated by bad rngs (around 50:00 or so)
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-05-2015#1135604 << confirmed romanian. "te-neci ca tiganu' la mal." implying normal people drown in blue water, but gypsies can't even do this right, they drown after almost getting to shore.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 17-05-2015 22:57:59; DreadKnight: we have a saying around, going something like "you drawn like the gypsy near the shore", meaning overall that you failed in the last few steps
justJanne: decimation: that's true. RSA keygens use a probabilistic prime test.
justJanne: With a very bad RNG, it would tell you 2 is prime.
justJanne: Sorry.
justJanne: Meant 20
decimation: lol she claims that (52:41) that openssl just adds the current time of day in seconds to the entropy pool
justJanne: It does.
mircea_popescu: this is (or at least was) true
adlai: mircea_popescu: fyi/raffs: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9562548
justJanne: Read the report on OpenSEL by the OpenBSD guys. It's a whole new level of WTF
mircea_popescu: "[1] He's been scraping the profiles of young women (specifically) and posting links, names, and hometowns on his blog. Yes, as technologists, we know that this kind of indexing is trivial. That's no reason, as a decent human being, to terrorize innocent people."
mircea_popescu: herp.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck asked anon what is and isn't reason nao ?
mircea_popescu: backwards world srsly.
mircea_popescu: justJanne it was in chan.
adlai considered writing some words about how security theater damages actual security, but stuck to lazy bean counting
justJanne: Actual security is sadly a thing that doesn't exist in critical places.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-05-2015#1135608 << everywhere someone hopes to get something for nothing and figures govt's the answer to that quandry there's an enemy of b-a. amusingly, this boils down to really very few people and traceably so.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 17-05-2015 23:00:52; decimation: there are clearly people on hacker news who are enemies of #b-a
adlai: (a reporter writing about 'accidentally' carrying a multiple-inch blade onto an airplane damages airplane security far, far less than the security practices that let it through)
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-05-2015#1135619 << it's unclear to me how you figure gmail makes money.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 17-05-2015 23:04:20; DreadKnight: gmail is free and makes money, same goes for games like league of legends, soon even world of warcraft
justJanne: Gmail isn't free.
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: scraping your emails to better sell your advertisements
adlai: gmail sells adspace to its parent company. the number of people who know its actual revenue is probably quite low.
williamdunne: Increasing the number of people who know the platform so that enterprise customers will purchase it
justJanne: Gmail has two options: sell your data or pay.
justJanne: Yeah.
williamdunne: I think with pay they still have your data
justJanne: Nope.
decimation: gotta pay if you want 'google apps' too
justJanne: As a large company you can get Google Apps as a box.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-05-2015#1135624 << that never happens, but sure.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 17-05-2015 23:07:10; trinque: DreadKnight: doing the ad-supported thing is a loss leader at best; you have to be able to burn money until your audience is large enough to merit being paid for the # of eyeballs
justJanne: A local server you can put in your own data center. It can operate even separate from the web.
decimation: justJanne: did you see any ntp reflection traffic?
midnightmagic: adlai: http://carnal0wnage.attackresearch.com/2015/05/normal-0-false-false-false-en-us-x-none.html
justJanne: decimation: I'm on phone right now, but as the latency didn't go up, doesn't seem so. Or at least nothing noticeable.
adlai notices that assbot doesn't insert titles anymore... midnightmagic linked "Lets Call Stunt Hacking What it is, Media Whoring", an apt topic for today
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic not bad, but it lost me at the "well credentialed" etc bs.
mircea_popescu: adlai i suspec assbot is a little tired.
adlai taps it, gently
justJanne: Tbh, security of embedded systems could be better.
justJanne: In general embedded systems could be better.
mircea_popescu: decimation honestly, i suspect the guy complaining on trilema was either trying to stir up shit or else working on meanwhile inacurate history. seems the ddos guy is gone.
adlai: was this some fix-in-anger to the http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=29-04-2015#1115842 conundrum?☝︎
assbot: Logged on 29-04-2015 14:33:49; davout: mircea_popescu kakobrekla mebbe make scoopbot_revived not mention the title and let assbot handle it?
justJanne thinks back to the Toyota issue
decimation: mircea_popescu: yeah, in fact I suspect "the lady doth protest too much"
mircea_popescu: adlai iirc that measure didn't pass.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-05-2015#1135631 << lol win.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 17-05-2015 23:11:27; williamdunne: >Forget MPEX. The best/most reliable stock exchange is, by far, BTCT.CO.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: The old Aurora attacks are an excellent example of the perversion of the idea of 'well-credentialed'. The people they had making comments about the SCM systems involved in that attack and the shoddy investigations going on were.. extreme.
mircea_popescu: yeah. if i don't happen to know someone willing to vouch, you can have credentials coming out of your ears, i just see "idiot" in thick font. which is basically wot-ness.
midnightmagic: I personally watched the responses internal to some of the companies involved and observed the evolution of the document they presented to the public. The people on whose opinions some of those documents were based were bullshit artists, borderline pathological, of the worst order.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: Everything it seems, comes down to human trust evaluation.
midnightmagic: most of the time.
justJanne: Embedded systems are still often built by programmers, not by engineers.
mircea_popescu: worst part being that it's usually "corporate [in]culture" that takes marginal yet ambitious intellects and molds them to this shit.
decimation: !up btcg
mircea_popescu: !up btcg
btcg: thanks
decimation: btcg: what brings you here?
mircea_popescu: aha. who're you ?
btcg: to talk about interesting topics :)
btcg: do i need to auth with assbot for voice perm?
mircea_popescu: and get rated, yes.
decimation: btcg http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets
decimation: was assbot's link title functionality kaput?
btcg: i didn't see anything
williamdunne: wut?
mircea_popescu: three minute half hour ?
mircea_popescu: !up btcg
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla hey, is something the matter with assbot ?
BingoBoingo: prolly just needs to fart
williamdunne: btcg did you dieded?
btcg: no i am here
williamdunne: To get perma voice you need to be in assbots L2 - so you need a rating from a lord
williamdunne: So someone on the send section here: http://w.b-a.link/user/assbot
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: Mediocrity is a natural result of psychopathic and sociopathic inroads. The moment upper management ceases to directly observe their employees, the result is the most convincing-sounding people's voices become the most relied-on. Convincing-sounding is not the same as accurate/informed.
decimation: midnightmagic: convincing-sounding is pretty much the going standard in the english speaking world
midnightmagic: -- which directly resulted in the erroneous and I would say, outright lying in the Aurora analyses. None of the conjecture that the public could see (because that's what the fuck it was) needed to ever be tested or 'pay rent' in terms of accuracy.
btcg: !register F4DE 6DF4 EB8B A2DA AD8D 14A5 B004 5BC9 02AC 1559
assbot: That does not seem to be a valid fingerprint.
williamdunne: no spaces
btcg: !register F4DE6DF4EB8BA2DAAD8D14A5B0045BC902AC1559
assbot: Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: F4DE6DF4EB8BA2DAAD8D14A5B0045BC902AC1559. This may take a few moments.
assbot: Key 02AC1559 / "boxsk <boxsk@tutanota.io>" successfully imported.
assbot: Registration successful.
btcg: now i need a vote?
decimation: is tutanota.io even valid?
btcg: oh should be .com
btcg: sorry, can i reset my key
danielpbarron: >> My aim is to fight mass surveillance. I write code to fight for our human right to privacy. I want to create a cloud service which is so easy to use and so secure that it locks out all the spies. We really deserve it. << lol
decimation: btcg: sure, just make a new one
danielpbarron: !up joshbuddy
justJanne: danielpbarron: that sounds like Kim Schmitz
justJanne: Sorry, he's known outside of DE as Kim DotCom
joshbuddy: danielpbarron: where was that quote from?
joshbuddy: also, thanks for voice
danielpbarron: it's Matthias https://archive.is/8ovft#selection-839.1-839.218
decimation: btcg: do you use this tutanota app?
btcg: !register CDA330208F2249841291524C65A7427639BAE3AB
assbot: Nick btcg is already taken.
btcg: i use their webmail mostly
danielpbarron: !h
assbot: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots/assbot
decimation: btcg: heh sucks I'm not sure if you can unregister
danielpbarron: !changekey
assbot: You need to specify your new key fingerprint.
decimation: yeah auth with assbot and use that ^
btcg: !changekey CDA330208F2249841291524C65A7427639BAE3AB
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/90180887373ba656
btcg: tuta is nice at least encrypts all email
danielpbarron: i can do that with gmail + gnupg
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39419 @ 0.00028808 = 11.3558 BTC [+] {2}
decimation: yeah how is something 'encrypted' on a website that isn't under your control?
justJanne: I can do that with Thunderbird, K9 and GnuPG.
BingoBoingo: K9? You trust private keys on mobile devices?
danielpbarron: the point being, your email client shouldn't have anything to do with your encryption
decimation: or mail storage
justJanne: BingoBoingo: Yes — remember, I use no Google services, and modified half of the apps on my phone myself.
decimation: justJanne: yeah but have you examined your phone's firmware?
BingoBoingo: And hardware
williamdunne: !up btcg
btcg: thanks william
mike_c: mircea_popescu: you should be able to drop this link in as the source of the iframe: http://www.btcalpha.com/bb_frame.html?height=90&ref=1GiSXgAhjqYvAB17JjXX8YCqNCizCjLJgp
williamdunne: v.welcome
williamdunne: !gettrust assbot btcg
assbot: Trust relationship from user assbot to user btcg: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=btcg | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/btcg/
williamdunne: !gettrust assbot williamdunne
assbot: Trust relationship from user assbot to user williamdunne: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 3 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=williamdunne | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/williamdunne/
justJanne: decimation: BingoBoingo: compiled from source myself every month.
justJanne: And monitoring all networked IO.
mike_c: ;;later tell mircea_popescu: ad ready, see log 5 lines up
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mats: how about your baseband fw?
BingoBoingo: ^
williamdunne: mats: How about you hard disk controller?
mats: i can dump it, can you?
justJanne: The ISP I'm using was started by a few people from the CCC, so from that side not too high of a risk.
justJanne: And I'd like to dump the firmware, but that would violate copyright.
mats: fwiw i use a smartphone too, the point being rammed here is that you don't really have an expectation of security.
mats: layer accordingly.
williamdunne: ;;seen samouraiwallet
gribble: samouraiwallet was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 2 days, 3 hours, 14 minutes, and 55 seconds ago: <SamouraiWallet> cool system. tying in wot with irc +v
danielpbarron: btcg, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-05-2015#1136035 << you need to decrypt this with your first key, and send the result back as !v [decrypted string]☝︎
assbot: Logged on 18-05-2015 03:27:04; assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/90180887373ba656
danielpbarron: there is no "auth with assbot" and all actions come with a OTP
btcg: ah ok, well 404
williamdunne: btcg: Easiest way is wget -O - URL | gpg -d
danielpbarron: expired. try again
williamdunne: Automate using this
williamdunne: http://bitstein.org/blog/bash-function-for-assbot-authentication/
danielpbarron: williamdunne, that means you're decrypting on the same machine that has internet?
williamdunne: Yes, I'm a peasant that does that
mircea_popescu: mike_c win
btcg: !changekey CDA330208F2249841291524C65A7427639BAE3AB
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/5844d86bdf7b9395
williamdunne: I'll eventually create another key offline which I'll use as a master or summin
williamdunne: In case of breach
williamdunne: Stick authentication of it in deedbot or summin
mircea_popescu: mike_c will be going up shortly, guy's online and all.
cazalla: lol those comments always remind me of this scene https://youtu.be/n16uBK71miQ?t=1m
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic i have my doubts about how all that *pathic stuff works. kinda weaponized terminology, like "heretic"/"disbeliever" in middle ages.
cazalla: what sorta person are you mircea_popescu terrorizing those poor sods on fetlife
btcg: !v assbot:btcg.changekey.cda330208f2249841291524c65a7427639bae3ab:6448f8043a7a44284ff9e38a2c9c7c34ffb455f01d9c8618ec07770e996d43a9
assbot: Key 39BAE3AB / "boxsk <boxsk@tutanota.com>" successfully imported.
assbot: New key fingerprint for btcg is: CDA330208F2249841291524C65A7427639BAE3AB
mircea_popescu: cazalla the masochist and the terrorist. should be a book.
BingoBoingo: !up dandelany
mircea_popescu: <justJanne> BingoBoingo: Yes — remember, I use no Google services, and modified half of the apps on my phone myself. << o.O what are you, like a hacker ???
justJanne: A CompSci student.
mircea_popescu: you gotta appreciate, a compsci student in the us is a guy that's too autistic to deal drugs.
mircea_popescu: otherwise about as literate.
mircea_popescu: !up btcg
justJanne: Nah, they'd fail Math101 here.
mircea_popescu: iirc math101 is no longer with numbers
justJanne: Without that you can't progress in CompSci.
mircea_popescu: they were racist.
justJanne: And math101 is helpful here, about 90% fail that class.
justJanne: Helps keep the study free from scriptkiddies.
btcg: ty mircea_popescu
justJanne: And, tbh, math101 at university isn't supposed to work with numbers. Math 101 is set theory, logic, lists, trees, functions, relations, sur/in/bijectivity, upper and lower bounds, complexity, etc.
mircea_popescu: i think alf might fall in love.
BingoBoingo: justJanne: At my school those topics were all in 300 series classes.
mircea_popescu: yeah, but you went to a good school.
BingoBoingo: lol
justJanne: Right now I'm taking second semester classes, last week homework was doing RSA on paper.
justJanne: In math
mircea_popescu: i have my doubts if you could get a decent definition of the notion of number from one in ten us graduates.
justJanne: Using only 16-bit Keys, cause everything else would be overkill.
BingoBoingo: In the calculus series classes test questions were taken from the homework, which was conducive to drinking whiskey before tests.
justJanne: For RSA you obviously need groups, spaces, bodies, rings, etc.
mircea_popescu: or rote.
justJanne: Bbl.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-05-2015#1135682 << because the last mile MUST be decentralized☝︎
assbot: Logged on 17-05-2015 23:34:39; williamdunne: Read the article, and I still don't see how that makes it bad for the last mile
mircea_popescu: that's the entire fucking point.
mircea_popescu: having a central (marketplace = central) for it is about as stupid as fire extinguishers loaded with gasoline.
BingoBoingo: On standby for errors http://qntra.net/2015/05/weak-4096-bit-rsa-key-in-strong-set-factored-more-factored-keys-follow/
mircea_popescu: it all stems from a very funamental confusion as to what things are andwhat technology can do. the idea being that technology = magic, and so it can change the nature of things. take marketplaces, which are by nature centralizing, and magic them into being decentralising. meanwhile irl, technology works to increase quantitatively, not to alter qualitatively.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-05-2015#1135686 << first=best only if(only)☝︎
assbot: Logged on 17-05-2015 23:39:53; pete_dushenski: williamdunne i really have nfi what the first trade was. if you say it's weed, we'll go with that, but that doesn't mean that first=best
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-05-2015#1135696 << maybe they could make them also fly, i'd donate.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 17-05-2015 23:41:43; williamdunne: Disagree with the cause, but pretty cool project IMIO
BingoBoingo: !up btcg
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-05-2015#1135741 << check it out, jdif > 9000!☝︎
assbot: Logged on 18-05-2015 00:14:21; ben_vulpes: trying out a new fried chicken joint
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-05-2015#1135769 << what, pray tell, is a ticky tacky.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 18-05-2015 00:38:24; pete_dushenski: "solidarity forever", "ticky tacky houses", etc.
mircea_popescu: something to do with bare adolescentine breasts, one would hope, for the sake of everyone's sanity ?
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danielpbarron: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUoXtddNPAM <- ticky tacky
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-05-2015#1135802 << is that FURRY road ?☝︎
assbot: Logged on 18-05-2015 00:58:08; mats: http://www.metacritic.com/movie/mad-max-fury-road << surprised metacritic treats it so well
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron i'm not closer to comprehension
mircea_popescu: but she's REALLY bad. i mean sweet singer of michigan level bad.
danielpbarron: I think it's like this -> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-05-2015#1129306 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 12-05-2015 22:05:41; mircea_popescu: "here i sit in a prefab vinyl siding plebhousing unit, burning a 50 dollar bill" ?
mircea_popescu: ah ic.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-05-2015#1135840 << learned to maff in kindergarten, check (c3 folks know what this is about lolk) ; reverse-hacked leet online haxxors, exposed irc chatroom, check. alfie baby...☝︎
assbot: Logged on 18-05-2015 01:35:23; justJanne: Sometimes when I get DDoSd I run nmap against the attacking servers, one time I found a small IRC server with only one channel, in which were 256 clients all with just a number as name, and one other client sending specific commands every few minutes
asciilifeform: l0lwut
asciilifeform: 256 clients all with just a number as name... << SOP. one (at least formerly common) botkit which did this was 'athena.' many others likewise.
asciilifeform: barbaric but reasonably resilient (herder would hardcode several boxes to act as irc servers, several controlled by himself normally and a few reasonably lax public irctrons)
asciilifeform: an example of this animal: http://www.trojanbotnet.com/2014/04/botnet-irc-silly-bot-16-c-irc-bot-new.html
asciilifeform: (just google 'slowloris' - for some reason ddos command was always given this name)
asciilifeform: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9562170 << mildly interesting
asciilifeform: 'During that time, attackers were able to monitor the activities of anyone using the kernel.org servers known as Hera and Odin1, as well as personal computers belonging to senior Linux developer H. Peter Anvin. The self-injecting rootkit known as Phalanx had access to a wealth of sensitive data, possibly including private keys used to sign and decrypt e-mails and remotely log in to servers. A follow-up advisory a few weeks lat
asciilifeform: er opened the possibility that still other developers may have fallen prey to the attackers.'
BingoBoingo: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9562918
asciilifeform caught up with log, links, overwhelmed by sheer retardation of the pg wank circus, maxxed out dosimeter
BingoBoingo: Probably for the best
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: the animals in the photo at bottom of your latest article look like guinea pigs
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asciilifeform: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/05/18/big_rsa_keys_are_vulnerable_says_researcher << more lulz
asciilifeform: the mis-spellings are a deliberate trollage, or what.
asciilifeform: 'phunctor' ?!
BingoBoingo: lolocoaster
asciilifeform: anyone with an account (yes, they require one even for 'anonymous' comments) is welcome to post one.
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/Bp6Wh << cached
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform notice that idiots are doing their pressing. "If I wanted to poison HPA with a fake key, why would I create a degenerate one? A fake key with strong factors would have gone unnoticed, at least by this analysis"
mircea_popescu: right, because poisoning hpa was the idea, not poisoning others.
mircea_popescu: team meade scores another hit on their imaginary, wildly irrelevant scoreboard. for which they get paid. with tax dollars. by idiots.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not deliberate trolalge, deliberate damage control. can't google misspelled terms
asciilifeform: ahahahahaha
asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1504 << updated
mircea_popescu: again. team meade scores another hit on their imaginary, wildly irrelevant scoreboard.
mats: this is badly written
mats: as though no editor was involved at all
asciilifeform: mats: haste - makes waste
asciilifeform: or how'd it go
mircea_popescu: ‘Holy shit, they broke RSA!’ or ‘This is false advertising, they didn’t really do anything!’ imbeciles, << no but it's THE CONTROVERSY
mircea_popescu: aaaaand fort meade scoressssss again!111 on their ...
mats: 'phunctor', thins instead of things, using 'Loper-OS' and 'Loper-os', shitloads of passive tense sentences...
asciilifeform: they must employ the residents of a home for the profoundly retarded
asciilifeform: is the inescapable conclusion.
mats: er, passive voice.
asciilifeform: for anyone still awake, i'm presently wondering re: how the rotten keys behave in autoverifier scripts (debian ? etc)
asciilifeform: worth considering - where are they likely to come into play (as fetched from sks)
mircea_popescu: hmm, anyone has a ready link to the discussion of the reddit deleting the blockchain thing because they had so much fucking consensus it ended up imploding under their feet ?
mircea_popescu: worth a test.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's a screenshot image, linked in a trilema article
asciilifeform: can't recall presently, where.
mircea_popescu: ah was trilema huh. brb
BingoBoingo: http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/36c3ac/weak_4096_bit_rsa_key_in_strong_set_factored_more/
mircea_popescu: and in the daily 8cha lulz, https://8ch.net/btc/res/33.html#198
asciilifeform: what even.
mircea_popescu: i dunno but it seems serious.
mircea_popescu: halp halp i've been lyfthreatenet across hte internets
mircea_popescu: this constitutes harassment in zoe quinn degree. i now must have my own oprah show.
asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2015/05/eg-gs.pdf << unrelated l0ltr0n
asciilifeform: http://dpaste.com/167XKEJ#wrap << text
mircea_popescu: !up joshbuddy
mircea_popescu: in other news, the next batch of usg dept of internet outsourcers, to replace the current batch of third worlders : http://i.imgur.com/9EG2jYA.gifv
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mircea_popescu: !up zlrth
BingoBoingo: !up referredbyloper
mircea_popescu: !up LC^
mircea_popescu: LC^ go ahead ?
LC^: mircea_popescu: Hi. Can we chat privately?
mircea_popescu: i don't know you, so no.
LC^: I'm a journalist. I shared my identity via privmsg.
mircea_popescu: that's fine, but it doesn't help.
mircea_popescu: the right move would be to get in the wot, cultivate your presence here afterr which next time you may have an angle.
mircea_popescu: at the moment, you do not.
LC^: I want to write an article about your Phuctor-related findings.
mircea_popescu: cool.
BingoBoingo: LC^: You may also want to hang around for when Stan wakes up
LC^: so wanted to get your opinion on the issues that have been raised, mainly that the first key was not signed by the owner so was likely added by someone else, with or without malicious intent.
LC^: and whether the other keys that have been factored are similar
LC^: or are there indications that they've been generated by a broken generator
LC^: I guess that is the main problem you're trying to highlight, correct? that some generators might be broken and generate weak keys
mircea_popescu: there is at least one key with a p over nine digits.
mircea_popescu: there are all sorts of classes of broken keys, which we're obviously still sorting through.
mircea_popescu: that aside, the question of how exactly weak keys came to be, and what are they doing there and so on and so forth is not nearly as uninteresting as the usg agency would like to make it.
LC^: are you suggesting that some software was intentionally sabotaged to produce weak keys?
mircea_popescu: i am plainly saying that while the weak keys incontrovertibly exist, it's unclear why they exist. someone put the effort into making them, which is not exactly trivial.
LC^: OK, but can they actually be used? some argued that the weak key supposedly belonging to hpa can't be used to decrypt emails or other data encrypting by him because it was not signed by his real key
LC^: can it be used for impersonation?
mircea_popescu: this is factually correct. it is also not the whole story.
LC^: OK, what is the whole story?
mircea_popescu: one of the more interesting constructions as to the possible intended uses is, a tandem arrangement. it would work like so :
LC^: I'm just trying to understand what the risk is here and why would someone create such keys, intentionally
mircea_popescu: suppose someone needs to talk to hpa - either to verify his signature or to send him encrypted communications.
LC^: ok..
mircea_popescu: with a correctly working pgp implementation, the user connects ot a sks server, discards the wrong key and proceeds as expected.
mircea_popescu: if however his pgp implementation is compromised in a specific way, the wrong key on the server may very well be the magic packet, causing it to behave in an unexpected - and not otherwise detectable - manner.
mircea_popescu: such as, encrypt to it, or email the NSA, or whatever else.
mircea_popescu: this sort of thing (the so called "fail to pass" testing) is the exact sort of stuff we've seen from the nsa to date, and so it would mesh with that experience.
LC^: I see, so the key would serve as an exploit of sorts or a trigger
mircea_popescu: but it is a theory - until someone produces such a diddled implementation it stays a theory.
mircea_popescu: LC^ essentially.
mircea_popescu: in any case, the idea that hpa is the target of that attack - if indeed it is an attack - are at best naive and at worst disinfo.
mircea_popescu: clearly people looking at/for him would be the target, if anything.
mircea_popescu: this, of course, is not the only mechanism that would allow such a key to exist. nevertheless, alternative explanations border on the risible.
LC^: particularly people looking to send him highly confidential info that would need to be encrypted
mircea_popescu: especially amusingm, the "key was damaged in transit" one. people p2p HD movies all day, nobody's seen this. gpg data moves around as archives - try flipping a byte in an archive see if you can stil lget the content. etc.
mircea_popescu: LC^ yes.
mircea_popescu: understand, opsec is extremely weak all over. including among supposedly experienced hackers. so, a simple scenario : guy with owned userland gpg sends secret info to hpa, it is magically encrypted to wrong key, email sniffed en route, secret is now known, but only to the people knowing what to look for. hpa responds with something like bad key, guy re-encrypts it and resends it.
mircea_popescu: he never knows he's been compromised.
mircea_popescu: nobody keeps track of "mysterious" errors etc.
LC^: there are parts in some archive formats you can modify and the archive will still work, though year I understand your point, the suggested theory of damaged in transit would suggest random damaging not controlled modification
mircea_popescu: how often have you moved a file across the tubes ? how often did it have a magically changed byte ?
mircea_popescu: because i did lots of the former and the latter never occured.
LC^: OK, what about the other keys? Are they similar to hpa's key? in the sense that they've been attached to other keys, but lack the proper signature?
mircea_popescu: there are other people matching exactly hpa's profile (high value foss target) with keys apparently added in the same manner. not too many.
mircea_popescu: there are also other types.
LC^: how many keys have you found so far? do you plan to disclose the owners of the other keys that are similar to hpa's? it doesn't seem to be a big risk there for the owners
adlai thinks a better question could be, "just quite how little human and computer labor did this experiment take?"
mircea_popescu: there's been a total of three pairs, so six total keys to date. i have little doubt that as the program progresses through the list, more will be found. generally, the idea is to discuss this with the owners and them only.
mircea_popescu: the case of hpa was exceptional because at the time the lightning struck (and understand just how unlikely the event we had on our hands this morning was), a call had to be made.
mircea_popescu: in that particular circumstance, where an outside but present chance existed that the box was compromised itself.
mircea_popescu: !up LC^
mircea_popescu: we might consider publishing the "harmless" keys, but for one thing i am not altogether convinced they're so harmless, and for another, much more interesting would be a hunt for diddled php implementations.
mircea_popescu: now THAT would be something if found.
LC^: have you attempted to notify the owners yet and have you had any responses from them?
mircea_popescu: adlai i would guess something between 50 and 100 BTC's worth of S.NSA engineer's time, and maybe a few months-box worth of hardware.
mircea_popescu: LC^ yes and no.
mircea_popescu: not terribly costly, considering what "VC" firms spend and what they get for it.
LC^: so do you expect your findings to inspire such a hunt?
mircea_popescu: it's already underway. but, the more the merrier. this is the sort of thing where one can make a difference.
mircea_popescu: clicking on cat pics, and derping about what zoe whoever said about imaginary feminist issues is a waste of one's youth.
mircea_popescu: this however... this is something where raising awareness actually does something.
mircea_popescu: !up referredbyloper
mircea_popescu: ehh, diddled php implementations << obviously i mean pgp not php.
mircea_popescu: who the hell came up with the idea of putting these together even ;/
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: !up wiz
LC^: mircea_popescu: thx for answering my questions so far. I have to jump on a call, but if I decide to go ahead with an article on this and have additional questions I'll look for you around here.
mircea_popescu: sure.
mircea_popescu: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/73/South_Vietnam_Map.jpg << such a lulzy map.
mircea_popescu: pro tip : the north won.
mircea_popescu: !up msdkc
mircea_popescu: !up referredbyloper
mircea_popescu: mats http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Girl_volunteers_of_the_People's_Self-Defense_Force_of_Kien_Dien%2C_a_hamlet_of_Ben_Cat_district_50_kilometers_north_of_Sai_-_NARA_-_541865.tif/lossy-page1-250px-Girl_volunteers_of_the_People's_Self-Defense_Force_of_Kien_Dien%2C_a_hamlet_of_Ben_Cat_district_50_kilometers_north_of_Sai_-_NARA_-_541865.tif.jpg << check out that grip.
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mircea_popescu: !up Mugge
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kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-05-2015#1135996 < hm ?☝︎
assbot: Logged on 18-05-2015 03:05:47; mircea_popescu: kakobrekla hey, is something the matter with assbot ?
mircea_popescu: was kinda slow/suffering for a while. seems ok now.
mircea_popescu: http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/
kakobrekla: thats freenodes issue
mircea_popescu: does it not do titles anymore ?
kakobrekla: titels are depending on log1 iirc
mircea_popescu: oh that still dead ?
kakobrekla: apparently
mircea_popescu: dja need me to reset pw or something there ?
kakobrekla: dunno it was sorta almost working until you started to fiddle with varnish
kakobrekla: since then nfi
kakobrekla: brb
mircea_popescu: sorry!
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mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2015#1035777 << this is one for kakobrekla☝︎
assbot: Logged on 28-02-2015 01:55:22; cazalla: so i made a bitbet under the influence and couldn't fund it until later, i assume 0 conf address listed for it in /propositions/ is the address of which i need to fund?
cazalla: he answered it from memory but why necro that?
kakobrekla: click on the 0conf amount
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-02-2015#1035818 << meet the slavegirls sometime.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 28-02-2015 02:20:09; trinque: flushing with fear on command is to my knowledge not possible
mircea_popescu: cazalla shit i was doing a very old log lol.
mircea_popescu: sorry.
mircea_popescu: http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/09/who-rooted-kernel-org-servers-two-years-ago-how-did-it-happen-and-why/
mircea_popescu: "More than two years after unknown hackers gained unfettered access over multiple computers used to maintain and distribute the Linux operating system kernel, officials still haven't released a promised autopsy about what happened."
mircea_popescu: case exactly mirrored by freenode : about a year after they lost at least one server to what appeared like quite the nsa, and promising a full investigation, nothing's been released.
mircea_popescu: !up deface
mircea_popescu: mike_c https://8ch.net/btc/index.html << it's live.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-05-2015#1135914 << i dun recall who put it in, mebbe davout but at any rate from what i've seen they couldn't get consensus behind the "inaccurate title" theory, or w/e it's called there. so that didn't werk.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 18-05-2015 02:45:11; decimation: Note that your headline was dinged for being inaccurate, while this guy's blog is more inaccurate by his own admission
mircea_popescu: cazalla i find from 8chan that you suck. link related https://8ch.net/btc/res/33.html#212
cazalla: bwahaha
cazalla: what can i say other than he's right.. 9/10 aussies i met on 4chan love nothing more than shit posting
mircea_popescu: ?rate cazalla -2 australian which is bad
cazalla: r u trying to shit post me back or wot m8
mircea_popescu: lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7107 @ 0.00027649 = 1.965 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34300 @ 0.00027934 = 9.5814 BTC [+]
justJanne: Anyone read http://thiébaud.fr/robots.txt.html yet?
justJanne: I’m downloading all those hidden state.gov documents right now
mircea_popescu: ahaha good idea
mircea_popescu: "look in robots.txt for directories that derps inadvertently exposed"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46450 @ 0.00028017 = 13.0139 BTC [+] {4}
jurov: https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/1-bitcoin-community-controls-99-bitcoin-wealth/ but warning, causes brainhurt
asciilifeform: jurov: i regret to say that i may have been responsible for the first such article.
asciilifeform: (though it, in turn, used data from a paper, cited therein)
jurov: "made me reminisce about the old days of Occupy Wall Street".. like, it was 20 years ago?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5650 @ 0.00028691 = 1.621 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: jurov: the derpfest in question was so blatantly an organized 'astroturf' affair that it vanished as thoroughly as anything from 20 yrs ago
mircea_popescu: dude, three year's a lifetime for these ephemerides
jurov: ye olde tea partie
asciilifeform: pee partie
asciilifeform: http://www.securitylab.ru/news/472954.php << disgraceful. even here.
asciilifeform: motherfuckers.
asciilifeform: 'phunctor' aha
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13950 @ 0.00028743 = 4.0096 BTC [+] {2}
mats: mircea_popescu: terrible trigger discipline
mats: looks like she has her finger in the well
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37003 @ 0.00028278 = 10.4637 BTC [-]
mats: and as an aside the high ready position is inferior
asciilifeform: mats: good position for folks with terrible trigger discipline ?
asciilifeform: let'em drill the sky full of holes instead of the fella behind or in front
mike_c: ads look like they're working (technically at least). we'll see if 8chan'ers have any money.
mats: their fire will be less accurate in a firefight after a day's patrol due to muscle fatigue
mircea_popescu: mats she holds it like it's a broom
asciilifeform: obligatory >>> http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/pdu/17573280/45724/45724_900.jpg
mats: mircea_popescu: oh, lol
asciilifeform: http://news.softpedia.com/news/Researchers-Break-RSA-4096-Bit-Keys-481475.shtml << oddly, one fishwrap got the name spelled.
mats: http://imgur.com/bXPjbOf
mats: http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/29086710/emergency-crews-responding-to-downed-aircraft-near-bellows-air-force-base
mats: osprey falls outta the sky, again
mats: http://www.janes.com/article/51469/russia-s-armour-revolution
mats: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/18/world/middleeast/isis-ramadi-iraq.html Ramadi falls against IS
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16650 @ 0.00028347 = 4.7198 BTC [+]
mats: http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2015-05/18/content_20752740.htm Chinese economic reform for 2015
mats: http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/5/16/former-egyptian-president-morsi-sentenced-to-death.html
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18878 @ 0.00028278 = 5.3383 BTC [-]
mod6: 8 broken keys now eh?
justJanne: 8 broken subkeys, it seems.
justJanne: Most of them don't seem to be valid.
mod6: how do you know they're subkeys? did I miss this in the log?
mike_c: it was discussed on hacker news. looks like there are a handful of invalid subkeys on the sks servers
mod6: oh yeah, i saw that on outside sites.
mod6: thx
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11400 @ 0.00028347 = 3.2316 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu observation: the only thing that doesn't parallelize linearly is the multiplication (still parallelizes as previously discussed, by split into cache-sized batches across cores.) but gcd against a known product does parallelize linearly...
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu we put this in next ver. and retest whole orchestra weekly..
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47200 @ 0.00028347 = 13.3798 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17692 @ 0.00028278 = 5.0029 BTC [-]
hanbot: BingoBoingo Weak 4096 Bit... suggested edits: "the compromised key in question was" / question which was ; " not only on their total length of the key" / the total length ; "two very large prime number" / numbers ; "subverted by an adversary from the key's generation" / range from the key's ; "what failings of they keyserver" / the keyserver ; "they have yet to factored by" / yet to be factored ; "this highlight a number of" / highlights
hanbot: & nice work
gribble: Error: "nice" is not a valid command.
ben_vulpes: buenos dias
hanbot: hola
justJanne: soo many bots :o
hanbot is mostly human
trinque: asciilifeform: turns out dieharder uses internal glibc preprocessor directives which cause it to explode when built as c99
trinque: looks easy enough to fix so I'll probably take a crack at it at some point
trinque: --std=c99 kicks on __STRICT_ANSI__ which affects whether __USE_MISC is defined in features.h
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37188 @ 0.00028265 = 10.5112 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52300 @ 0.00028347 = 14.8255 BTC [+]
danielpbarron: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: ty danielpbarron
danielpbarron: !up joshbuddy
trinque: mcclim just blew my mind
ascii_field: trinque: enjoy the rare experience of encountering one's first non-retarded example of something (in this case, gui programming) for the first time.
trinque: ascii_field: I recall somebody "doing" this by bolting webkit to a terminal emulator :p
trinque: I have lived in a sea of shit
trinque: ascii_field: incorporating the command line model into GUI programming is very cool
trinque: and the idea that this GUI widget corresponds directly to some piece of data
trinque: I am merely scratching the surface of what I'm looking at, so far
trinque: seems one could do an incredible database editor in this environment
trinque: run a query, it barfs the results with appropriate widgets given the type of data
trinque: you can click foreign keys to traverse them, so on
ben_vulpes: sign me up
BingoBoingo: hanbot: Patched, thanks
ascii_field: ;;later tell decimation does phrase 'grenzenlos naiv' have any idiomatic meaning on top of the obvious ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: so, one of the recent phucked keys contains two subkeys, both of which are phucked. and the self-sig is... valid.
trinque: incredible
ascii_field: but it was cosmic rays, dontcha know.
trinque: anyone interesting?
ascii_field: did you know that cosmic rays could perform signatures ?
trinque: I just learned that yesterday from the fine folks at HN
ascii_field: we should like to harness this engine of undiscovered computronic might
ascii_field: nah, this one doesn't purport to belong to anyone famous
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27550 @ 0.00028719 = 7.9121 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: !up gares
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: BingoBoingo: got an account at 'the register' ?
BingoBoingo: Nah
ascii_field: ^ anyone else ?
ascii_field: curious if anyone tried to point out their 'mistake'
decimation: ascii_field: not to my limited knowledge. "boundlessly naive"/"unlimited innocence" or something like that.
ascii_field: ty decimation
decimation: apparently the phrased was used in a song http://lyricstranslate.com/en/meine-welt-my-world.html-0
ben_vulpes: ascii_field: the new phukkery implies bad keygeneration in the wild, correct?
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: presently the samples of interest fall into several categories
ascii_field: at least one falls under the classical 'generated and correctly signed with dud key'
ascii_field: several have invalid self-sigs and for a subset of these, a non-rotten antecedent key can be found (as pointed out by the peanut gallery)
ascii_field: the remainder lack any self-sigs and -will- import
decimation: ascii_field: someone on the hn comments also listed the diff between the two keys, and it was 32-bits long
ascii_field: decimation: this is not a consistent pattern across the entire set.
decimation: right, but if a cosmic ray were to zing through a ram stick, I wouldn't expect a 32 bit word to change completely?
ascii_field: decimation: most of my observations thus far are not even remotely consistent with 'bit rot.'
Apocalyptic: <ascii_field> at least one falls under the classical 'generated and correctly signed with dud key' // is that key at least a classic RSA key, meaning its modulus consists of only 2 prime factors as opposed to the case discussed yesterday ?
ascii_field: Apocalyptic, decimation: i will let mircea_popescu include this and other interesting zoological specimens in his next article.
Apocalyptic: ascii_field, noted, thanks
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30239 @ 0.00028066 = 8.4869 BTC [-]
Apocalyptic: I would like to point out that unless yesterday's modulus was fully factored, which I have no knowledge of, we actually didn't factor the invalid subkey discussed
ascii_field: Apocalyptic: feel free to perform, e.g., miller-rabin on the larger factor
Apocalyptic: ascii_field, I did some trivial factoring on the reminder, got 2 more primes
ascii_field: primes? so there we go.
ascii_field: factored.
Apocalyptic: but there is still this huge reminder, which is certainly not prime, that remains to be factored
Apocalyptic: ascii_field, no, not only primes
ascii_field: Apocalyptic: try pollard-rho
Apocalyptic: on a 311 decimal base number I have my doubts, even msieve refuses to crunch it
Apocalyptic: *311- digits
ascii_field: specifically pollard-rho.
Apocalyptic: but i'll look at it later
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52200 @ 0.00027691 = 14.4547 BTC [-] {3}
Apocalyptic: (the full factoring is interesting because it's the only way to compute the private exponent d)
ascii_field: Apocalyptic: i was saving this exercise for after we demonstrate that one could 1) sign with the dud key 2) it would verify on some broken pgptron, somewhere
ascii_field: the other thing is,
ascii_field: one of the state-of-art factorizers, lenstra's elliptic curve factorization,
Apocalyptic: "for after we demonstrate that one could 1) sign with the dud key" wait you can sign without fully factoring N ? this is news to me
ascii_field: depends on size of -smallest- factors
Apocalyptic: ascii_field, i thought these it was pretty much NFS all the way
Apocalyptic: *these days
ascii_field: Apocalyptic: yes, because folks are presumed to be using sane keys
ascii_field: consisting of -large- primes
Pierre_Rochard: little intermission to discuss -assets instead of pgp for a sec: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdhNkv4ryuM (background on the meme: http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/pepe-the-frog )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00027596 = 2.7596 BTC [-]
Pierre_Rochard: more seriously (?) : https://medium.com/@21dotco/a-bitcoin-miner-in-every-device-and-in-every-hand-e315b40f2821
Apocalyptic: anyway the remainding part I have is not divisible by primes below something like 1 billion if I remember my tests correctly, may still qualify as -small- though
ascii_field: Pierre_Rochard: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1130899 << relevant thread.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 21:42:17; asciilifeform: re: '21' etc >> 'The cornerstone of the strategy as presented would have been the release of consumer products that would turn power from wall sockets into bitcoin through the widespread dissemination of bitcoin mining chips.' << -somebody- clearly reads the 2013 #b-a logs.
Pierre_Rochard: yup, read it, this is their latest post with more details
Apocalyptic: ascii_field, can you comment on <Apocalyptic> "for after we demonstrate that one could 1) sign with the dud key" wait you can sign without fully factoring N ? this is news to me
Apocalyptic: or did I misunderstand what you were saying ?
ascii_field: Apocalyptic: which part is new to you ?
Apocalyptic: ascii_field, the part where you can sign, which implies knowledge of the private exponent d without having fully factored the modulus N
Apocalyptic: afaik you need to have phi(N) to get d from e, and computing phi(N) is equivalently hard as getting the factorization of N
ascii_field: Apocalyptic: see earlier link re: lenstra. there are algos which are optimized for the kind of scenario which appears to exist here (a multitude of smaller primes rather than two extremely large ones)
Apocalyptic: so I don't get how you can save this factorization exercice for after you sign something...
ascii_field: thus i conjecture that full factorization can be had, at reasonable cost, if there is a reason to attempt it
Apocalyptic: I'm not disputing that
Apocalyptic: i'm disputing you can sign anything without having it first
ascii_field: and what i meant was that one must demonstrate that one could import the pubkey, somewhere, and verify material that was signed with it
Apocalyptic: !up ascii_field
Apocalyptic: I misunderstood what you were saying then
ascii_field: i will say more later, promise.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field sounds great.
Apocalyptic: ascii_field, i'm still thinking about your "exercice for the reader" from yesterday as to how get $othersmuckQ without at least doing a division for every modulus encountered
ascii_field: Apocalyptic: if you come up with answer to this, please wake me up
Apocalyptic: heh, so there is none known to you ?
ascii_field: Apocalyptic: not atm. but i'm currently occupied with other things
Apocalyptic: oh, I thought you knew the answer and it was a challenge
ascii_field: l0l
Apocalyptic: i'm nearly convinced there isn't by now
Apocalyptic: by the very design of the product
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27450 @ 0.00027585 = 7.5721 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-05-2015#1136361 << amusingly , that was for a while romania's warez source.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 18-05-2015 14:23:20; asciilifeform: http://news.softpedia.com/news/Researchers-Break-RSA-4096-Bit-Keys-481475.shtml << oddly, one fishwrap got the name spelled.
ascii_field: they had, what was it, crackable 'demos' ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-05-2015#1136364 wow.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 18-05-2015 14:31:30; mats: osprey falls outta the sky, again
mircea_popescu: ascii_field somfinlikethat
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: so in other news one of the keys from last night has a valid sig
ascii_field: and 2/2 moduli phucked
ascii_field: 'cosmic rays!!!111!!1'
ascii_field: didjaknow they can sign
mircea_popescu: yeah yeah. idiots.
mircea_popescu: but this is why you want "the internet" to have its time to proffer its reactions.
mircea_popescu: if you let them "agree" to "the reasonable" "explanation" you can laugh at them later. if you don't, it's gonna be "oh srsly we presented this before stanford" all over again
ascii_field: betcha they're already working on the necessary 'powerpoint.'
mircea_popescu: obviously, nobody is going to have to explain to anybody why they lied or anything, but hey. free internet!
ascii_field: retro-dated.
mircea_popescu: i don't think they can work this fast.
mircea_popescu: which is kinda the point.
ascii_field: in yet other news, one of the invalid-sig keys is a careful reduction of key size by 1 bit, and very interesting pattern of modifications to public N (not one-bit-flip and not from-this-point, but regularly spaced)
ascii_field: the reduction requires altering a header field
ascii_field: (if you've memorized rfc2440 by now you know this)
ascii_field: cosmic rays know how to do this also, we learn
ascii_field: we should stop settling for small change and take this to the astrophysicists
ascii_field: they will be happy to learn just how clever cosmic ray is
trinque: self aware cosmic rays... sounds like greg egan
trinque: ascii_field: gentoo maintainer says dieharder is too fucked to fix https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=531268
deedbot-: [Trilema] On how the factored 4096 RSA keys story was handled, and what it means to you. - http://trilema.com/2015/on-how-the-factored-4096-rsa-keys-story-was-handled-and-what-it-means-to-you/
mircea_popescu: trinque because this is optional now.
ascii_field: 'unfixable' ahahahahaha
trinque: yep, lol
mircea_popescu: "we'll just have a world without diehard. should be fine as long as ux is good"
ascii_field: how about he's locked in a room and only fed once it runs.
ascii_field: how about that.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field well, you know how that goes. "within the constraints". "you can't have this and nsa so this can't be had"
trinque: I've "fixed" it locally which is to say it builds
trinque: does sound like the project could use cleanup beyond that
trinque: but yeah, convenient right?
trinque: as scoopbot is not back I assume deedbot- is the new guy for that too?
mircea_popescu: ever since the us got on this kick about retards using things, stuff that's not for retards has been at a disadvantage.
ascii_field: actively ghettoized and eventually gassed, is more like it
mircea_popescu: trinque i dunno what you two did there. what did you do ?
ascii_field: obligatory: http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3203922895939197@naggum.net.html
trinque: mircea_popescu: I noticed scoopbot was absent for a while, and after many complaints just loaded the feeds plugin into tenyks
mircea_popescu: btw, anyone with a slashdot acct ? plox to dump the above link ?
trinque: mircea_popescu: I told william I'd turn it off if his was returning, but it hasn't
hanbot: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: ty hanbot.
trinque: "In closing, for the tl;dr / eli5 / etc crowd : this article is not for you. Go back to doing the dishes, we'll wake you up once you need to buy a new flag." << fucking glorious.
mircea_popescu: im so sick of this "retards are people too" bullshit by now i can't begin to tell you.
mircea_popescu: actually that softpedia piece is notbad.jpg
mircea_popescu: we actually see anything wrong with it even ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20700 @ 0.00027975 = 5.7908 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: "Or perhaps they did that stupid human trick that never fails: If you have excess funds, procreate until you no longer have excess funds, then share the funds equally until you all die." << afaik this was never done in practice, outside of easter island. not that women everywhere didn't endlessly & forever try. but anyway, re the ancient women broken strat discussion, THIS is a fine statement of the problem.
davout: trinque: yea, cracked me up too
davout: ben_vulpes: in everyday life you can say "en vélo" and "à vélo", you won't sound retarded either way, the correct way is "à vélo" though, "en voiture", "en avion", "à cheval". depends on whether you're inside or not
mircea_popescu: depends on whether you're riding it or not.
davout: e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoHjQs6C4UY
mircea_popescu: how did jonas travel ? a or en ?
mircea_popescu: a baleine, amirite ?
davout: en baleine
mircea_popescu: o srsly ?
davout: that how i'd say it
ascii_field: 'It doesn't work when Nadia Heninger goes to sell Phuctor before Stanford - Nadia Heninger doesn't own Phuctor, and the actual owners are very much present and very much capable to bitchslap her into oblivion.' << actually, 'crime pays.' chick gets a phd and cushy sinecure, etc.
davout: but the more i look into this issue, the murkier it looks
mircea_popescu: if it pays so well how come you're not there aha.
mircea_popescu: davout :) you have been blessed by the b-a fairy.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00028346 = 1.7008 BTC [+]
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i was drummed out of academia while reasonably young, for the crime of not-giving-a-rat's-arse
davout: there seems to be something to waht mircea_popescu's saying wrt to 'riding', but it doesn't look that's the full story, i found another source that says both "en/à vélo" are correct
mircea_popescu: !up stoon
davout: mircea_popescu: i wish the b-a fairy gave me more money, instead of more hair
davout: http://www.lefigaro.fr/livres/2011/02/10/03005-20110210ARTFIG00483--cheval-et-en-velo.php
mircea_popescu: davout i think this is one of those stories of old world privilege meanwhile abandoned because impractical and who gives a shit. just don't make it sur, that's niggerspeak
ascii_field: davout: b-a fairy only hands out honourable deaths
ascii_field: to the deserving.
mircea_popescu: and murk to everyone else.
mircea_popescu: hence, "murk moar".
davout: ascii_field: yea, hopefully i end up in decentrally corwdfunded valhalla
davout: mircea_popescu: re niggerspeak, totally
ascii_field: http://i.imgur.com/O3F9CF5.jpg << relevant
BingoBoingo: http://slashdot.org/submission/4440577/the-problem-of-teaching-the-controversy-in-infosec
mircea_popescu: i notice alf is very chan-oriented these days. picrelated all day from this fellow.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo curious how that goes.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i typically get'em from diametric
mircea_popescu: what's your score yet, three ?
mircea_popescu: ascii_field what is that even, "fuckhead throne" ?
ascii_field: aha
davout: ascii_field: oh god, the chair
ascii_field: original being, approximately, http://hellogiggles.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/03/hbo-game-of-thrones-iron-throne-lifesize-replica-03.jpg
mircea_popescu: hahaha
trinque: the one with dicks would be more relevant to the show... most plot-oriented softcore porn ever created
davout: ;;later tell pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-05-2015#1136554 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 18-05-2015 19:45:42; davout: ben_vulpes: in everyday life you can say "en vélo" and "à vélo", you won't sound retarded either way, the correct way is "à vélo" though, "en voiture", "en avion", "à cheval". depends on whether you're inside or not
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: is game of thrones the one with a dumb bitch that's the hero in spite of not doing anything ? (outside of feelings)
mircea_popescu: gladiatorial combat something something
davout: mircea_popescu: it has complex psychology11!
trinque: mircea_popescu: yep, she's going around freeing teh peoples, torching the previous rulers with dragons
mircea_popescu: occupy dragonclutch ?
mircea_popescu: "we are the 1 herp, because percents are a jdif conspiracy"
trinque: lol
trinque: total circlejerk character
mircea_popescu: by now, im not so sure of the mental health of tv watchers anyway. i guess it's prolly best not disturb them.
trinque: I have a half-baked notion that people in the US like this show because they are aware of 200 years of history, if that, and only of their own dirt
mircea_popescu: who knows what zombiecalypse lies in wait
mircea_popescu: mike_c how's teh traffix mah bruther ? too much ?
mike_c: 71k hits
mircea_popescu: if it needs to be scaled down you say, i scale.
mike_c: box is still standing. yet another reason I need to move to BISP though. it seems ok for now.
mircea_popescu: kk
BingoBoingo: http://www.ajc.com/news/news/atlanta-cops-probe-lewd-appearance-of-obnoxious-bu/nmFNq/
mircea_popescu: Shook was on the scene, telling 11Alive’s Duffie Dixon that the image was “highly disturbing, aggravating, obnoxious and illegal.”
mircea_popescu: cocks ? srsly ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Appears to have been oatse
BingoBoingo: *goatse
mircea_popescu: oh oh
mircea_popescu: aghagaga way to go goatse!
davout: mircea_popescu: btw
davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-05-2015#1134563 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 17-05-2015 13:41:39; davout: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://i.imgur.com/g5ci4oK.png <<< the paymium banner
davout: also pls to X.EUR
mircea_popescu: ah yes the eur. aite on it.
mircea_popescu: davout what is it, paymium.com ?
davout: yes
mircea_popescu: davout banner's live.
davout: nice! ty!
mircea_popescu: btw copypaste ^ now there's a banner to a respectable exchange in the rotation, people can buy btc there.
davout: no amerifags though
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mircea_popescu: ah, is it like us-banned.jpg ?
davout: yeah, we do europe, technically EEA + CH
davout: americans are a big no-no
davout: because fatca
mircea_popescu: must suck to be one by now.
davout: so the bitbet banners are generated dynamically from the bets?
mircea_popescu: ayup. mike_c got some serious magic going there, im impresst.
davout: it *is* impressive
mircea_popescu: it all started with kakobrekla 's sane design, which json etc.
mircea_popescu: but it's a tower of cool to shake the very foundations of "web 2.0" idiocy.
mircea_popescu: organically grown, too.
mike_c: thanks! nice things can happen when there is a good foundation to work from.
mod6: yeah, good work!
mircea_popescu: how's huntin' mod6 ?
mod6: ah! good :]
BingoBoingo: Florida and DC Aids capitals of the US http://www.cdc.gov/pcd/issues/2015/14_0395.htm
mod6: aside from keeping up with the unfolding nosuchlabs work, within 7000 blocks of my next regression benchmark being finished. should have some new charts to look at in 24 hours.
mod6: s/regression/performance/
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: 'accidental discharges of firearms' l0l
ascii_field: 'legal intervention'
mod6: And as far as the gentoo stuff goes, I kinda had to put that on hold for a minute. I'm going to finish the rest of that up on real hardware. But to do so, I gotta drive across town and buy a new box. I might wait until after the 1st to continue this front.
mircea_popescu: why do anons on trilema prefer to name themselves obama-something ?
mircea_popescu: mod6 i feel you. here's me kinda having to put gentoo on hold for a... minute : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-05-2015#1123691 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 07-05-2015 05:21:17; mircea_popescu: this is unlikely to EVER change. i tried to move it to gentoo but the attempt burned, toppled and sunk into the swamp.
mircea_popescu: https://8ch.net/btc/res/222.html#226 << holy shit that thing has a face.
mod6: mircea_popescu: ahh, yeah. having gone through the gauntlet already on the thing at least a dozen times in aws, and also now having re-read the Gentoo-Handbook, i feel like I'm very close on this. To complete the guide, i wanna test out all of the steps on real hardware so the steps are accurate. I believe it'll entail something like creating a USB boot image, then booting off of that, then creating a stage3 in a chroot, then deploying that to
trinque: ^ sounds sane
mod6: and trinque, thanks for all your help :]
trinque: if you're booting from USB you can make the chroot a mount of the thing's own partitions
trinque: rather than a copy step; might've been what you meant
trinque: mod6: no problem!
mod6: ah, yeah. that makes sense.
mod6: anyway, i have high hopes that some of these steps could even be automated to aliviate the pain of building this by hand.
mircea_popescu follows eagerly.
mircea_popescu: !up Ginux
ben_vulpes: trinque: what the actual fuck "not worth maintaining"
ben_vulpes: forgive the ignorance, but what's wrong with the ebuild from 2 months ago?
trinque: ben_vulpes: the actual dieharder code uses glibc internals in a way that used to work, now does not due to as yet undiscovered source of rust, with vague indications that compiling with std=c99 has implications for glibc
mircea_popescu: he raged at this in logs past few days.
mircea_popescu: eventually idea was to ulibc
trinque: mircea_popescu: does seem that we keep encountering the rot of glibc
trinque: ben_vulpes: that said a working dieharder can be built with my naive patch listed in that bug report
trinque: ben_vulpes: oh and... several weak results from the consumer hardware I have laying around
trinque: so "not worth maintaining" my ass
trinque: I'll chew on the thing for a while and see what comes of it
mircea_popescu follows eagerly-er.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: trinque: if you are a n00b to dieharder, i must remind you that just about anything looks like 'weak result'
trinque: total n00b
ascii_field: it is a comparative, rather than absolute measure
mircea_popescu: ah good point. mind that merely a failed test is of itself meaningless
mircea_popescu: you must have a theory as to what exactly would it do before you can actually say a rng was shown weak by dieharder.
ascii_field: i will also add that, e.g., digits of 'pi', are beautifully entropic per dieharder and most anything else
mircea_popescu: (if you think about it : an entropy source that always pass tests is by definition not entropic. see last year's amusement with the "guess number" toy alf made)
mircea_popescu: passes*
ascii_field: !s fips
assbot: 8 results for 'fips' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=fips
ascii_field: ^ related lulz
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-04-2014#609173 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 08-04-2014 03:16:07; asciilifeform: don't be the schmuck who builds rng which throws away batches of bits that fail some test
trinque: interesting; I'll consider the dieharder source code a starting point for further research.
trinque afk for a bit
mircea_popescu: !up Jautenim
Jautenim: thank you mr p
mircea_popescu: sure. who're you ?
Jautenim: lurker at contravex, trilema & the logs for some time now
mircea_popescu: aha
ben_vulpes: trinque: i still have no idea how to do a local overlay for a package pulled from portage
ben_vulpes: naive attempts totally failed
justJanne: @ascii_field, about pi: No, pi is not a good source of entropy
ascii_field: justJanne: as if this needed saying
ascii_field: justJanne: but you will notice that it -passes tests-
justJanne: LOL
ascii_field: ergo, utility for battlefield crypto does not reduce to mathematical tests
mircea_popescu: justJanne the application here is that, if i give you a string of random numbers which unknown to you are the nth digit of pi onwards, you may think you have entropy by "tests".
justJanne: the issue with pi is that it is a very slow RNG
justJanne: and not really good.
mircea_popescu: absolutely 0 good.
ascii_field: justJanne: nothing to do with 'slow' (baily-borwein-plouffe algo is fast, gives nth digit)
mxtm: why would pi be an entropy source
mxtm: it's the same always
mxtm: just never ending
ascii_field: but with the fact that once enemy catches on, he will laugh himself to death (this being your only hope)
justJanne: also true
Jautenim: I came to ask what are the rough requirements
Apocalyptic: <mxtm> it's the same always // what
Jautenim: for running a 0.5.3.1 node
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/19/health/a-way-to-brew-morphine-raises-concerns-over-regulation.html?_r=1 << mega-l0l
mxtm: Apocalyptic: the nth digit of pi doesn't change
mircea_popescu: Jautenim atm it's practically running on a pogo, so very low.
Apocalyptic: it is actually conjectured that pi contains all the possible finite sequences you can think of
mxtm: yes, but when
Apocalyptic: mxtm, no shit, why would it change ?
ascii_field: Apocalyptic: not merely 'pi', but all transcendentals
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic this is the case for all
Apocalyptic: ascii_field, of course
mircea_popescu: god damned.
mxtm: Apocalyptic: then how would it be an entropy source
mxtm: if it doesn't change
Apocalyptic: mxtm, you read the digits onward...
mircea_popescu: !up gares
mircea_popescu: mxtm it's not a REAL entropy source. it's a defined sequence that may be confused for an entropy source, if one's definition of entropy is test based.
mircea_popescu: read carefully wha was said
ben_vulpes: Jautenim: not a great deal, i think mod6 ran one in less than 200MB of RAM recently, but that was with asciilifeform's 'orphanage thermonuke'
mxtm: yeah, that's what i was trying to convey, it's a defined sequence
ascii_field: 'The yeasts could be locked in secure laboratories, worked on by screened employees. Sharing them with other scientists without government permission could be outlawed.' << what even.
ascii_field falls down
Apocalyptic: mxtm, Mersenne twister seeded with a strong seed is also a defined sequence
Apocalyptic: still used as prng
mircea_popescu: prngs not what we're discussing here tho.
Apocalyptic: yeah, he seems to argue that since it's deterministic it's no good
Apocalyptic: but that isn't relevant to the "tests" discussed
Jautenim: I'm planning to rent a cheap vps and run it more or less full time
Jautenim: in order to help testing
mircea_popescu: Jautenim or you could order a pogo and help that effort along ?
Jautenim: lemme know if I can help
mircea_popescu: it's like 10bux
mircea_popescu: !s pogo
assbot: 461 results for 'pogo' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=pogo
ascii_field: Apocalyptic: the precaution taught in school is that 'prng is bad because enemy might learn the seed.' which is a 'lie of omission' - given the existence of a relation between bit N and bit N+1, enemy may have the means to infer N+1 (and N-1) from N
mircea_popescu: ^ see that.
Jautenim: mircea_popescu can they be ordered from teh EU?
mircea_popescu: hm, i recall there were supply problems in the eu. but maybe worth a try.
mircea_popescu: at any rate cheaper than a vps.
mircea_popescu: i mean if you have your own iron you don't need it's one thing, but otherwise... best own the box.
mircea_popescu: in other news, "In the newt species Notophthalmus viridescens, males carry out a courtship behavior called amplexus. It consists of males capturing females that do not want to mate with them and using their hind limbs to grasp the females by their pectoral regions." << check out the newt pua!
Jautenim: I'll look into it
mircea_popescu: "Male guppies (Poecilia reticulata) have been observed to forcefully copulate with females by trying to insert their gonopodium (male sex organ) into female’s genital pores, whether or not they are accepting. Sometimes, male guppies also try to forcefully mate with Skiffia bilineata (goodeid) females, which resemble guppy females and tend to share the same habitat, even when guppy females are available. A possible ex
mircea_popescu: planation for this is the deeper genital cavity of S. bilineata, which stimulates the males more than when mating with guppy females."
mircea_popescu: ^ dedicated slut species, omg.
Jautenim: apropos
Jautenim: !register 32FE1E61B1C711186CA378DEFD8981F1BC41ABB9
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danielpbarron: !up referredbyloper
justJanne: okay, I’m kinda in a hurry – anyone know a fast way to do two-out-of-three in boolean logic with less than 5 operators?
mircea_popescu: !up ETIST
mircea_popescu: lol cheating on homework already!
justJanne: nah,
justJanne: okay, kinda.
justJanne: yes >_>
trinque: ahaha
mxtm: haha
justJanne: the question was to implement the < operator on int with boolean logic
justJanne: we got it down to 8 operations, but others got it in 7
justJanne: the only optimizable place would be the point where we do a two-out-of-three logic
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: justJanne: 'we' ?!!!
justJanne: currently (a & (b | c)) | (b & c)
mircea_popescu: talmud eh.
justJanne: ascii_field: homework is done in groups of two here at uni, so people learn how to do teamwork
mircea_popescu foretold.
trinque: learn how to pass the whole class
justJanne: Yeah, that’s not the issue.
trinque: teaches the best to hold back too; that's always good
mircea_popescu: justJanne your currently is 4 not 8 ? am i confused ?
justJanne: mircea_popescu: the overall question is to implement the < operator
justJanne: https://paste.kde.org/pbyoq0axp
justJanne: as you see, 8 ops
mircea_popescu: lmao
mircea_popescu: switch order around, get rid of not, 7.
justJanne: not possible.
justJanne: remember, we are working with ints
justJanne: so the ! is necessary there to turn -1 into 1
mircea_popescu: doesn't ! turn false into true ?!
justJanne: kinda.
justJanne: this is C.
mircea_popescu: return (( (x & (l1 | ny)) | (l1 & ny) ) >> 31);
justJanne: so everything that is not 0 is automatically true
mircea_popescu: what's that do.
justJanne: it would return 0 or -1
mircea_popescu: so then...
justJanne: as >> moves the sign
justJanne: so you need to do +1 or !
mircea_popescu: <justJanne> so everything that is not 0 is automatically true < ?
justJanne: yes
mircea_popescu: i think you're being german :D
justJanne: 5 is true.
justJanne: 2 is true.
mircea_popescu: -1 ?
justJanne: 1 is true.
justJanne: -10000 is true
justJanne: 0 is false
mircea_popescu: so then the fucntion returns true, false.
justJanne: (kinda)
justJanne: c has no true, nor real false. But it can return 1 or 0
mircea_popescu: you want 7 or don't you ?
justJanne: yes
justJanne: but it’s too late anyway
mircea_popescu: this is where a bring young mind learns what C really is all about :D
justJanne: we did lots of optimizations in the past weeks, homework this week is "you have this blob of binary, find out what it does, circumvent its checks"
ascii_field: justJanne: that last one was called 'the bomb' where i went to school
ascii_field: traditional exercise
ascii_field: it's really just a ritualized version of the familiar cracking of w4r3z
justJanne: yeah.
justJanne: I spent the past days doing the same – actually cracking DRM of Tidal
justJanne: but then I discovered they have an unobfuscated android app, so I got lazy and started instead decompiling that one
ascii_field: justJanne: traditionally copy protection is implemented, where the rubber hits the road, by poor schmucks who aren't dumb enough to believe that it 'works' but still gotta collect that salary, and so 'are only following orderz'
ascii_field: hence tends to be... lackluster
mircea_popescu: kinda funny that drm never got as clever as viruses. even back when both these were clever, the ms-dos era.
justJanne: the in-browser DRM is a native binary that is pretty much stripped of any information, actually kinda hard to use, but the Android version of almost everything is stupid
ascii_field: (there are notable exceptions, e.g., ilfak guilfanov)
justJanne: (yes, Tidal uses a native plugin for in-browser DRM)
mircea_popescu: justJanne what is tidal even ?
justJanne: A music streaming service that streams lossless unedited FLAC files
justJanne: about 1344kbps quality
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ascii_field: if lossless, why not pull'em out of /dev/pcm
justJanne: I wanted a way to scrape them.
trinque: streaming service that got whoever's still considered "famous" in music together, stamped their faces on the thing
mircea_popescu: aha
trinque: "so totally not spotify you see"
justJanne: I found a way, but now I have a few thousand files encrypted, the corresponding PBKDF2WithHmacSHA1 encryption keys, but was too lazy to find the client-side salt for that
justJanne: and the sound quality, tbh, is great. Just not worth 20$ a month
trinque: ah I guess jay-z owns it
mircea_popescu: is this the guy that owns burning man ?
trinque: heh looks like there's some noise about dr dre being behind burning man
trinque: damned hilarious if so, dunno about that
mircea_popescu: oh different one k nm
mircea_popescu can't distinguish rappers
justJanne: The difference between Dr Dre and Jay Z? Jay Z’s product actually is something more than marketing speech
ben_vulpes: wowee justJanne with the opinions
justJanne: I mean, Beats are just cheap Philips headphones with a bass boost.
justJanne: literally
trinque: jay-z is probably the best of the rapper-turned-entrepreneurs, yes
ben_vulpes: anyways, Tidal was a flip onto Jay Z who has yet to learn how horrifically expensive software is to build and maintain in fiatland.
mircea_popescu: lawl.
trinque: yup, the people who listen to him and beyonce aren't even paying for spotify
mircea_popescu: wow beyonce is still a thing ?
mircea_popescu: this is the hot model woman from 10 years ago right ?
ben_vulpes: he'll blow a billi, and never touch software again.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: mami's still lookin good!
trinque: haha hear hear!
mircea_popescu: digital or irl ?
ben_vulpes: last i saw was the hbo special
mircea_popescu: dawg im impressed, this is like black madonna material.
ben_vulpes: 3+ hours of high-octane beyonce wiggle
justJanne: ben_vulpes: still, compared to all those 9000$ expensive audio cables, or Beats headphones, lossless FLAC has an advantage over 128kbps mp3
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mircea_popescu: who ever knew of a black hottie outlast a decade.
trinque: justJanne: yeah just average consumer derp is not going to tell the difference between that and spotify's ogg-whatever
ben_vulpes has yet to outlast a decade
mircea_popescu: ahahaha wut. SKIN LIGHTENING ?
trinque: and will just see 10 bucks more than the 10 bucks I'm already not paying
mircea_popescu: you gotta be kidding me.
justJanne: trinque: lol
mircea_popescu: is she inviting preteens over to her estate next ?
justJanne: yeah, still – Tidal is the first service providing CD quality.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: sauce
mircea_popescu: http://gossipmagazines.net/beyonce-plastic-surgery/
ben_vulpes: justJanne: sure if you discount gnutella.
justJanne: ben_vulpes: we’re talking about services that have a chance of mainstream adoption.
justJanne: gnutella has as much chances of mainstream adoption as Gentoo has
ben_vulpes: bitch please back in the day gnutella /was/ mainstream
ben_vulpes: just because nobody uses it anymore, well.
trinque: who remembers direct connect?
trinque: and winmx?
ben_vulpes: we're getting old, trinque
trinque: man that was a glorious age of the internet
mircea_popescu: <justJanne> gnutella has as much chances of mainstream adoption as Gentoo has << ouch-zing-ouch
ben_vulpes: soon we'll be grumpy like mircea_popescu
trinque: ben_vulpes: goddamn kids don't understand the unlimited buffet that was the intertubes
justJanne: still is!
mircea_popescu: justJanne he doesn't mean pr0n hon.
justJanne: oh.
trinque: lol
mircea_popescu: !b 2
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mircea_popescu: shit stop messing up my bash ppls!
ben_vulpes: c-c-c-c-c
ben_vulpes: -combo breaker!
trinque: kazaa was when the idiots all joined the party and ruined it
mircea_popescu: stop being raceys trinque
justJanne: hey, at least nowadays the web is getting better again.
ben_vulpes: bwahahahaha
ben_vulpes: ah
ben_vulpes: ho
trinque: I apologize for my senseless outburst of hate
ben_vulpes: hee hee hee
trinque: justJanne: is not youngin
justJanne: Almost every video service hosts plain video files instead of flash-based players for .flv videos anymore
mircea_popescu: ^
mircea_popescu: solid point she has there bitches.
ben_vulpes: justJanne: have you been following the glibc travails?
justJanne: nah.
trinque: yeah I'll grant browsers are going further towards "open techmology" whatever that means
mircea_popescu: what now ? owned by a 19yo girl ? not even speaking her mother tongue ? HOW!!1 do you expect to end up bitter like me this wya ?
trinque: hilarious also that the shit getting put into the browser is effectively whatw as in flash
justJanne: trinque: not necessarily.
mircea_popescu: im really impressed with stuff like gyfcat or w/e that was called.
justJanne: Now I can just grep through the JS, find the link to the .mp4, and wget it, and watch it offline
justJanne: I remember the sad days of having to decompile swf objects just to rip a video.
justJanne: or using *cringe* realplayer
mircea_popescu: and 8chan was, to my surprise, chock full of html5 videos that work just fine.
mircea_popescu: youtube does not work for me, but 8chan does.
trinque: flash was just another ecmascript runtime thing
trinque: with a canvas like the canvas tag
mircea_popescu: justJanne wait, the sad days from when you were... 9 ?
trinque: and of course DRM and other shit
justJanne: mircea_popescu: yes?
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trinque: I'm not saying the browser isn't adding features; I'm saying it's aping the tired ways of a previous generation
mircea_popescu: you were ripping flash vids before your voice changed. wtf is this!
trinque: there's nothing "new" about html5
mircea_popescu: trinque other than the fact it works.
justJanne: of course not.
justJanne: although, there is something new
mircea_popescu: !rated copypaste
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justJanne: people writing in-browser apps that don’t support linking
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trinque: justJanne: points out the conflict between the web-as-document-store and web-as-app-things
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trinque: anyhow what are we addressing here. I was reminiscing about opennap servers
justJanne: trinque: one funny example: http://i.imgur.com/k9BZPhT.png
justJanne: (screenshot from DDG)
trinque: that looks like someone's stupid js data bindey thing fucked up
trinque: what am I looking for
justJanne: exactly
justJanne: JS webapps that do everything in-browser
justJanne: makes the job a lot harder for crawlers
trinque: I approve of you having independently discovered that this is a shit way to do things.
justJanne: when my crawler stopped working due to this,
trinque: subcategory of... JS is an appalling language and bolted to the DOM it's even worse
mircea_popescu: trinque i dunno dood, i love the select thing on trilema.
mircea_popescu: first time i ever used js.
justJanne: JS has some nice parts.
justJanne: like that it encourages them to use more functional code
adlai: justJanne: dunno, it seems obvious that if you want to crawl the luser-visible web, you simulate the luser, not curl
justJanne: adlai: yes, but in 2008 you could just curl the web and get it all
mircea_popescu: and in 2010 you could cpu mine
justJanne: in 2010 you could throw wget -r on the new york times and get, after a few weeks, half of the web.
mircea_popescu: more like a fifth, and if using slashdot.
justJanne: if your parents didn’t kill you for the dialup bill, though
trinque: mircea_popescu: I can't argue with HTML being a decent way of publishing articles; seems to have worked out pretty well
trinque: I do think many "web apps" of today would do better to be written as native code which just opens a socket for data
mircea_popescu: trinque the selector thing is specific js tho, and it does something not afaik doable in html per se
mircea_popescu: something that i want so badly, i would never give up
trinque: s/HTML/HTML+CSS+JS/
trinque: the conflict there is the same one as in SQL
trinque: "end user programming"
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trinque: so you've got one group of derps demanding the thing be "intuitive" to "those people"
trinque: and you've got other people trying to use the things as proper programming tools
justJanne: it’s not just limited to that.
trinque: the browser's a fine document thing and it should stop there before it hurts someone
justJanne: you might end up with governmental websites using JS for access control.
justJanne: and governments then passing laws that "circumventing client-side access control" becomes a crime
trinque: meh
trinque: prove I did it
trinque: I don't think anyone in government could form those sentences
mircea_popescu: you don't understand how the law works, trinque
trinque: it is *real*!!!
mircea_popescu: here's a simple explanation catering to you specifically : it's not a truth finding mechanism, it's a consensus building mechanism.
mircea_popescu: it's point is not to produce sicence, but to prevent people from clobbering each other.
mircea_popescu: geddit ?
justJanne: we’re talking here about a government where the chancellor has a PhD in Quantum Chemistry – obviously not stupid, but evil.
trinque: mircea_popescu: yes that makes sense re: law
mircea_popescu: so "prove i did it" has a very simple counter : if you weigh the same as a duck
mircea_popescu: you're made of wood
trinque: ahahaha
mircea_popescu: and therefore, my bitch!
trinque: of course; it's something I may run into or not, but I will not try to make sense of wooden ducks
mircea_popescu: best burn down any large scales of that kind.
trinque: justJanne: someone requires I use thing X as part of my browser, and that's the day I stop using browsers
justJanne: the law literally says "if you access an electronical data computation system unauthorized"
mircea_popescu: what, like you stopped using glibc ?
mircea_popescu: :D
justJanne: where authorized isn’t defined
mircea_popescu: justJanne blessfully, relatively few people live in that sort of shithole. speaking of which, do you have plans to escape ?
justJanne: nah. It’s good enough. And at least streaming illegal movies is legal here
mircea_popescu: heh.
trinque emits a parse error
trinque: mircea_popescu: and someday yes!
mircea_popescu: trinque see ? someday, sure.
justJanne read that as trinique.see() ? someday : sure
trinque: heh maybe if the last two terms are swapped
mircea_popescu: justJanne https://kuschku.de/frozen/royal-insignia-of-arendelle/ << you made this ?
justJanne: a friend did, but I collected them
justJanne: I didn’t draw them
mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/VSjAh04.png << ahaha epic
mircea_popescu: she draws just like a 19yo too.
justJanne: >_>
justJanne: I’m not good at it, k?
mircea_popescu: you're fine.
justJanne: I did sketch this, though: http://i.imgur.com/xCr9iTz.png
mircea_popescu: they do a trick, for frozen cgi, which is very hard to do by hand, where they fold her face in a particular moe pattern. amusingly enough - this is very similar to how pharma works, because it involves searching the space of possible facefolds for something that's not in the uncanny valley and works.
justJanne: I know, I spent 1 year in a dozen frozen fan chats
justJanne: I’ve seen the movie 13 times in cinema >_>
mircea_popescu: is it actually that good ?
mircea_popescu: what is it even, like rapunzel v2.0 ?
mod6: there's ~20 hours you'll never get back
mircea_popescu: dude let the woman have her childhood. i listened to fucking iron maiden!
justJanne: nah, spending one year in those chats, 24/7 is something I’ll never get back.
mod6: haha
trinque: what do you mean "listened"
mircea_popescu: lol. oh, i see, IM is ok, frozen isn't. k. brb.
mircea_popescu: http://www.metalinsider.net/site/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Iron-Maiden-Seventh-Son-Of-A-Seventh-Son-300x300.jpg << melted.
mircea_popescu: aaaand im now stuck with clairvoyant. well done internets o.O
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-05-2015#1136872 << I used to collect flac albums like a decade ago -- surprised to hear it's even still a thing; let alone has official commercial backing☝︎
assbot: Logged on 18-05-2015 22:16:09; justJanne: ben_vulpes: still, compared to all those 9000$ expensive audio cables, or Beats headphones, lossless FLAC has an advantage over 128kbps mp3
trinque: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MB6JSmYcN2I << goddamn the shredding
justJanne: danielpbarron: it makes sense to have 1400kbps FLAC, as that’s CD quality
trinque: I like how youtube has every damn everything on it, and continues to exist
trinque: meanwhile grooveshark rots on a spike somewhere
trinque: danielpbarron: I once lost like 400gb of flacs
danielpbarron: oh I get the advantages to lossless; I even went out of my way to buy special hardware (fancy headphones and an iPhone-style device with custom firmware)
trinque: the tears
danielpbarron: yeah i lost all my flac files when i forgot i had them on a harddrive i used to make the RAID in my full node
danielpbarron: so it goes..
justJanne: danielpbarron: I have cheap Sennheiser HD 449 headphones and a normal phone, works well enough
trinque: lol yeah I formatted the drive too
trinque: to help some chick upgrade her OS
trinque: that was a lesson
kakobrekla still hangs on ~1500 flac albums
danielpbarron: i'm not into music enough to care about these things anymore
justJanne: for some years I had a script that wipes a random harddrive at a random time
justJanne: helps making sure backups work
trinque: man I need a good amount of raging out to metal per day
justJanne: though one day the script wiped the drive itself was on, never found it again
trinque: LOL
justJanne: <insert short rant about ALSA only allowing 44.1kHz and 16-bit audio here>
kakobrekla: speaking of flac and tidal; http://test.tidalhifi.com
mod6: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 357052 | Current Difficulty: 4.880748724468138E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 358847 | Next Difficulty In: 1795 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 13 hours, 15 minutes, and 31 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 49340718499.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 1.09252
jurov: ls -l
mod6: cannot access #bitcoin-assets: No such file or directory
mircea_popescu: sudo ls -l
deedbot-: [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Victoria’s nature. - http://www.contravex.com/2015/05/18/victorias-nature/
justJanne: mkdir -p #bitcoin-assets && cat /dev/urandom | tr -dc a-zA-Z0-9 > #bitcoin-assets/random
mod6: haha
mircea_popescu: i take that as a personal insult!
mod6: asciilifeform: heh, now these 21 guys are saying they wanna make embeddable mining chips for smart phones. glwt. seeing as how they run out of power in like 9 minutes as it is.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-05-2015#1136366 << no mercenaries even this time ?☝︎
assbot: Logged on 18-05-2015 14:52:59; mats: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/18/world/middleeast/isis-ramadi-iraq.html Ramadi falls against IS
justJanne: mod6: power is not the issue.
justJanne: heat is.
mircea_popescu: mod6 the entire toaster miner thing was lulzy to begin with, but smartphone coronat opus.
justJanne: your phone will burn through your clothes. And then ignite everything around it, before becoming a blob of molten lava
mircea_popescu: justJanne sounds pretty cool. how much for one ?
justJanne: mircea_popescu: they aren’t for sale yet, but if you want to get a taste, you can buy an AMD GPU
mircea_popescu: heh. bitcoin ran on those for yers you know.
mircea_popescu: some guy even got brain damage from heat stroke
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-05-2015#1136369 << or as we like to call this, "he got von flondored"☝︎
assbot: Logged on 18-05-2015 14:59:18; mats: http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/5/16/former-egyptian-president-morsi-sentenced-to-death.html
mircea_popescu: !up btc
mircea_popescu: !up btcg
btcg: thanks
mircea_popescu: aha.
jurov: ben_vulpes: what was the problem with the overlay?
btcg: random question: what do you folks think of the proposed embedded mining from 21?
btcg: i wonder how they'll run a full node, i guess there's the ~1.2 gig pruned node
ben_vulpes: jurov: i don't think i actually understand how they're supposed to work.
btcg: i saw mod6's comment how would a phone support a full node
mats: mircea_popescu: wait six months i guess
ben_vulpes: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Overlay/Local_overlay << i followed this and a few other guides, but failed to get anything that looked like it would let me hack on the diehard source
danielpbarron: btcg, chip doesn't need full node to mine; all chips probably phone home to central node for the next header to work on
trinque: ben_vulpes: if you want to hack best just stick the source in your home directory
mircea_popescu: mats curious if egypt actually goes the way of turkey or mopre like syria
trinque: making an ebuild is more along the lines of packaging up your thing and shipping it
jurov: ben_vulpes: what failed?
mircea_popescu: btcg that it's ridiculous.
btcg: ahh, like electrum heh
trinque: there are a few magical files that need to be inside /usr/local/portage or wherever the overlay may be
mircea_popescu: no. like a fuckable fridge.
mircea_popescu: even admitting you could make this, who in his right mind wants to fuck the food storebox.
jurov: ben_vulpes: but yes, hacking on the source is best in your homedir. only after it compiles there, feed to portage
trinque: mircea_popescu: there's an (american?) phenomenon there where innovating means crapping together however many things that already existed, and calling it something new
mircea_popescu: anyone made homeless linux yet ? where you DON'T get a home dir ?
mircea_popescu: trinque you don't say.
mircea_popescu: "it's like x but for y" ?
jurov: export ROOT=/dev/null
btcg: i was hoping a water heater that pays for itself, by using miner heat, but embeddable chip, if their centralized servers have issue, eeek
trinque: mircea_popescu: seems like what happens to the imitators when there's nothing good to imitate
trinque: re-feeds on itself for a few cycles and there's nothing left
jurov: btcg: if you can synthsize it from ECL chips, no prob
trinque: uber for facebooks
mircea_popescu: btcg you seen the log discussion on this topic ?
ben_vulpes: jurov: more or less getting `emerge` to work with my sources. but...
btcg: ahh, i'll read it thanks
ben_vulpes: <jurov> ben_vulpes: but yes, hacking on the source is best in your homedir. only after it compiles there, feed to portage << this first
btcg: i usually just read it at leisure decided to jump in here
mircea_popescu: btcg do two things. read http://trilema.com/2013/youre-gonna-have-to-learn-that-variety-speak/ and then read http://log.bitcoin-assets.com
mircea_popescu: aha.
trinque: ben_vulpes: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Overlay#Manually_setting_overlay_locations << gotta put some files places and configure make.conf
ben_vulpes: blee i did
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=10-05-2015#1127543 < fpr instance.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 10-05-2015 23:16:02; mircea_popescu: toaster is kinda dumb, but ceramic tiles for warm floor is worth doing.
ben_vulpes: also i read ELSEWHERE on the gentoo wiki that PORTDIR_OVERLAY is deprecated
jurov: btcg: and if it is not only gentoo problem, you can skip portage and go annoy upstream
ben_vulpes: so i don't know mang
trinque: deprecated for what
justJanne: trinque: that is very much true @ the apple-strategy argument
mats: mircea_popescu: i'm inclined to believe egypt will follow syria
mircea_popescu: seems safe bet.
trinque: ben_vulpes: god damn it; I smell shitgnoes
trinque: *gnomes
trinque: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Portage/Sync << they're adding "plugins"
ben_vulpes: nigga iono
trinque: fuck it all; everyone has to bolt a dick massager to everything
ben_vulpes: some "overlay for morons" gentoo wiki page
btcg: jurov apologies i am not on gentoo sir
ben_vulpes: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Overlay/Local_overlay << "Note: The old method of setting the 'PORTDIR_OVERLAY' variable in make.conf is deprecated and should not be used."
jurov: btcg sry it was to ben
mircea_popescu: trinque:--std=c99 kicks on __STRICT_ANSI__ which affects whether __USE_MISC is defined in features.h << such a great explanation of wtf is wrong with all this shit.
trinque: justJanne: it's the whole socialist world's strategy
trinque: with scare quotes
trinque: best stated by mircea_popescu re: reproduce until there isn't anything extra, then divide it all until dead
mircea_popescu: naggum.
justJanne: trinque: it makes me especially angry when this is combined with programmers who call themselves "engineers", but whose products stop working after just a decade
trinque: ah that was his?
mircea_popescu: yup.
mircea_popescu: fwiw, i happen to believe it is actually the correct strategy,
mircea_popescu: just, correct from a game theoretic perspective of genetics, not of individual humans.
trinque: it's what animal populations do right? boom and bust
trinque: justJanne: the problem there is economic; why give a shit what happens next year? we'll all be dead
justJanne: trinque: that’s one issue, sadly.
justJanne: in the past years, technology got worse
justJanne: microwave from 1980 still works, TV from '96 as well, PC from '98 is still in use.
justJanne: but phone from 2007 is EOL
mircea_popescu: actually, glengarry moss had that one right : http://trilema.com/2014/weak-sauce/#selection-765.0-767.186
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-05-2015#1136459 << i agree, this is one of the better derivative works to be had on the basis of the phuctor results.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 18-05-2015 18:57:06; Apocalyptic: (the full factoring is interesting because it's the only way to compute the private exponent d)
ben_vulpes: <justJanne> your phone will burn through your clothes. And then ignite everything around it, before becoming a blob of molten lava << israelis came up with this one iirc
mircea_popescu: fully investigate the keys in question, cornerstone of which is, get d.
mircea_popescu: Pierre_Rochard holy shiot wtf is that.
mircea_popescu: !up ko__
trinque: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/05/18/us-mideast-crisis-iraq-idUSKBN0O20M020150518 "U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry said it was a "target of opportunity," that could be retaken in a matter of days, and U.S. officials insisted there would be no change in strategy despite a failure to make major advances against Islamic State."
trinque: does seem like if anything coherent is intended at all, it's to provoke a larger regional war
trinque: oh the irony that would be if someday the middle east is united in its hatred for the united states
mircea_popescu: such vietnam
mircea_popescu: to streamline administration ~~~and deregulate power to lower levels~~~
mircea_popescu: china will be un-fucking-stoppable.
trinque: http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2015-05/18/c_134248403.htm << that'n eh?
trinque: sounds like they're going to put the fork in the dollar
mircea_popescu: if they implement even halfway...
justJanne: meh.
justJanne: the US is financing the saudi’s, who sell ISIS weapons, so technically the US is financing ISIS anyway
trinque: I think the Saudi's deserve some credit for the swindle there
mircea_popescu: "your dad brought you clothes, which you traded for drugs, so technically your dad bought you drugs"
justJanne: if the dad still gives you clothes, even though he knows what you’re doing...
justJanne: and the US is also selling weapons to the saudis directly, which they sold directly to ISIS
trinque: probably some faction of bastards in the US is actually aware of this, and others are not
trinque: there's not one coherent "they" to consider in regards to the country
justJanne: yeah, it’s not something the population can do anything against. it’s just inevitable with 2 parties that are both quite corrupt
justJanne: not that Germany would be better, with people like Gerhard Schröder >_>
mircea_popescu: is he bad ?
justJanne: He was a German chancellor in the social democrats party who reduced welfare spending, removed any kind of minimum wage ideas, added laws for some businesses, and changed several laws so that Gazprom could build a pipeline.
justJanne: the day after his time as chancellor ended, he got a job at Gazprom
justJanne: this guy betrayed everyone who voted for thim, and the rest of Germany, too
mircea_popescu: seems like they're all splendid ideas ?
justJanne: nope. Reducing unemployment money, removing minimum wage, etc is definitely not "good"
mircea_popescu: why not ?
justJanne: because everyone should have equal chances
mircea_popescu: why ?
jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-05-2015#1137062 lmao i have only now noticed☝︎
assbot: Logged on 18-05-2015 22:57:22; jurov: ls -l
justJanne: because no one should have a disadvantage from choices they didn’t make.
mircea_popescu: so ?
justJanne: just because your parents are poor doesn’t mean you should have worse chances in life
mircea_popescu: why not ?
justJanne: because you aren’t responsible
mircea_popescu: of course you are. you work hard and save to give your kids a better chance.
justJanne: do you want to punish people for stuff they didn’t do, choices they didn’t make?
mircea_popescu: you don't expect every kids have equal chances, because that removes any incentive for you to do anything.
mircea_popescu: just float around.
justJanne: no, it doesn’t.
justJanne: nowadays we have basic income here even.
justJanne: people still work.
mircea_popescu: i punish people for what they are rather than what they want to be all the time.
mircea_popescu: heck, my whole life's built around this principle.
justJanne: then you might want to rethink your life.
mircea_popescu: one of us, at any rate.
justJanne: let’s say it like this, not even the literal nazis had such a right-wing idea about society. And they are nazis.
mircea_popescu: i know.
mircea_popescu: admittedly, i'm more like a 1700s mind.
justJanne: anyway, it works here.
mircea_popescu: to me, the difference between soviets and nazis is nil : both were socialists.
mircea_popescu: no, it doesn't. that's the fallacy of "we can't compare to any alternatives, as thery don't exist - so it works fine!!1"
mircea_popescu: ever read candide ?
justJanne: like 90% of all firemen here, for example, work for free. volunteers. No pay, nothing. They risk their lives for nothing, while still having a normal job at the same time.
trinque: why should they not be paid for dangerous work?
justJanne: because they are volunteers.
mircea_popescu: moreover, why is some people's preference a basis for law ?
mircea_popescu: let those firemen do whatever the fuck they please and pay me.
justJanne: the idea is: if society is well enough,
justJanne: then people will work literally for free,
mircea_popescu: society is about as meaningful a concept as baby jesus.
justJanne: just to provide a benefit for everyone
mircea_popescu: and yes, people behave stupidly all the time
mircea_popescu: this is no valid argument.
justJanne: it’s not stupid.
mircea_popescu: says who ?
justJanne: everyone?
mircea_popescu: apparently not.
justJanne: obviously it works well in the countries with the highest standard of living –
mircea_popescu: (and here we go again, The Narrative is fragile)
justJanne: all across scandinavia and central europe
mircea_popescu: no, it works absolutely nowhere.
mircea_popescu: just, some people are momentarily insulated from the effects of their stupidity.
justJanne: No.
mircea_popescu: just like - unprotected sex works fine "in those places where syplhilis hasn't appeared yet".
mircea_popescu: sure. won't last. by the very nature of what unprotected sex is, it won't last.
justJanne: that’s not the thing.
justJanne: this system of society has lasted for centuries
mircea_popescu: nope. it's barely five decades old, and already cracking.
justJanne: the volunteering fire brigade system has existed since the 1400s
mircea_popescu: ah, that. again : let those firemen do whatever the fuck they please and pay me.
justJanne: the consumer cooperatives operating non-profit chains of grocery stores have also existed since the 1800s
mircea_popescu: and necrophillic pedophillia has existed since 50`000 years ago.
mircea_popescu: so what of it ?
justJanne: It’s obviously more stable than the economical system plagued of bubble bursts that is existing at Wall Street nowadays
mircea_popescu: the system you discuss IS the other system you discuss.
mircea_popescu: there's no difference there, just a meaningless distinction.
justJanne: no.
mircea_popescu: well, if you manage to survive emotionally, your stay in #b-a is bound to be instructive.
justJanne: the first system I discuss in scandinavia or central europe is a place where 60% of the companies have existed for centuries, have long term neither profit nor losses, and no growth
justJanne: which isn’t really necessary
justJanne: tbh, it’s the only really sustainable way
trinque: sounds like an environment where it'd be difficult to get anything new started
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justJanne: not really. There are many startups here, actually.
justJanne: the thing is that most of these don’t aim for a huge profit,
justJanne: but aim for slow growth and a sustainable profit.
trinque: oh youngin
justJanne: yes, that actually works.
justJanne: you don’t need to aim for 1 billion users with your 5 people startup to be sustainable
trinque: you'll get no argument from me on that
trinque: but that is not tantamount to saying "therefore social democracy"
trinque: not even close
justJanne: ofc nto.
justJanne: not
justJanne: we are at a completely different point now
justJanne: sadly.