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mats: mircea_popescu: cool. i appreciate your patience, still working on picking up latin and romanian. and maintaining the other languages bouncing around in my head.
mats: ;;ident
gribble: Nick 'mats', with hostmask 'mats!sid23029@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qffzshlqkntuoouh', is identified as user 'mats', with GPG key id B9527964891A5566, key fingerprint B37F49DC35FD838B1F8783CC59C93F63549036BD, and bitcoin address None
mats: mircea_popescu: 17HvePmDqPnKjZ79FrB1yicZPqyxTN4BnR
asciilifeform is ever more convinced that systemd, with its default setting of vomiting syslog to every ptty console (!), constantly, is really an elaborate trolling gag project
kakobrekla: now your bitcoin address will get ddosed :\
mats: :(
mats: asciilifeform: seen the latest on 'Ubuntu Core'? piles on piles of shit.
asciilifeform: why and how would i even see this.
ben_vulpes: http://www.ubuntu.com/cloud/tools/snappy << relevant
assbot: Announcing Snappy Ubuntu | Cloud | Ubuntu ... ( http://bit.ly/167TuhY )
undata: on azure!
undata: I would laugh my ass off for days if MS ever bought Canonical
asciilifeform: only remembered 'systemd' now because happened to switch on a machine in my collection, a 'google chromebook a15', based on single-chip 'arm.' afaik, no clean (traditional init) linux distro has ever been published for said machine.
asciilifeform: the real insult is that the manufacturer's stock os is: a bastardized gentoo.
asciilifeform: but go and try to set up a normal gentoo, in such a way that all of the necessary peripherals (gpu, power controller) actually work.
asciilifeform: afaik, no one has achieved this.
undata: asciilifeform: tried doing a localyesconfig on the Chrome OS?
asciilifeform: i'm not interested in using 'chrome os.'
asciilifeform: for anything.
undata: asciilifeform: nah, that would give you a kernel config for gentoo proper
asciilifeform: except it wouldn't
asciilifeform: there are closed blobs in there.
undata: oh, terrible!
asciilifeform: bought that thing >1 yr ago, because could not resist an attempt at a laptop that is entirely solid state, can be carried in one hand, and runs 12+hrs on a charge
asciilifeform: part of eternal quest for 'write in bed' machine
undata: my most recent purchase was a lenovo x1 carbon
asciilifeform: and non-x86 modern portable having keyboard is such a rarity that could not be passed up
undata: the thinkpad brand is dead
asciilifeform: the non-thinkpad brands are even deader.
undata: I'm pretty sure this one has a hardware issue; / remounts read-only sporadically
asciilifeform: but this tale was not about a 'proper' laptop, but attempt to glue together a portable-with-keyboard that isn't x86 and therefore can actually achieve some serious runtime on battery
undata: yet there are no bad blocks to be found
asciilifeform: undata: loose mount (as in physical connector) ?
undata: asciilifeform: perhaps, though restarting it without jiggling anything always works
asciilifeform full of wrath re: google profiting off all of the work that folks put into linux, to create the abortion spoken of earlier; a deliberate hardware troll.
undata: that's their move; buy things that can be bought, snatch the free stuff
asciilifeform: i can easily understand now why theo de raadt zapped support for loadable kernel modules in openbsd
undata: shovel out shiny thing covered in ads and spyware
asciilifeform: the only way to prevent this kind of situation - a pure scorched earth approach
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asciilifeform: not that someone could not, hypothetically, link a blob into an openbsd kernel and try to persuade folks to use it. but the result would probably be: laughter.
asciilifeform: somehow the loadability seems to be psychologically necessary for blob acceptance.
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decimation: asciilifeform: or fork openbsd
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decimation: but in the case it wouldn't openbsd anymore
decimation: and one couldn't bake a meatloaf with particles of linux and call it 'linux'
asciilifeform: decimation: hell knows how many entirely-closed industrial turds contain a bsd
asciilifeform: the chromebook thing is just like the situation i spoke of last week: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-12-2014#944963 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 04-12-2014 04:32:47; asciilifeform: http://imgur.com/a/llwZ2
asciilifeform: a gizmo, ships with a linux variant
asciilifeform: but only runs because contains turds
decimation: I've been tagged with supporting a 'palo alto' vpn turd box. I'm pretty sure it's bsd
asciilifeform: if you try to construct own linux (or bsd, whichever) on the machine - nothing but torment
decimation: asciilifeform: only google knows the right bits to flip I guess
asciilifeform: it will either refuse to run at all, or worse - run intermittently because there nominally exist open drivers for the necessary peripherals, but the manufacturer did not used them
asciilifeform: *use
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decimation: they probably hired some taiwanese code monkeys to write drivers with the nda'ed full docs
asciilifeform: and then you go and buy 25 different gizmos to see if even one does not meet this pattern
asciilifeform: and end up with a crate of scrap
asciilifeform: because 100%.
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decimation: it pisses me off that one cannot buy a 100% nda free x86 system
decimation: yes, I know about the 'novena'
asciilifeform: what processor - can ?
asciilifeform: can i see the mask for 'arm' core - the actual production mask - without nda?
asciilifeform: or, for that matter, with ?
decimation: I just want the spec and docs (with talmud of errata)
asciilifeform: 'novena laptop' is a hardware troll
decimation: some intel peripheral chips are documented
decimation: well, I would give novena a hell of alot more credit if they actually shipped
asciilifeform: that is, something so laughably and irredeemably inadequate for its nominal purpose that its very existence is a troll.
decimation: it appears to me they have been 'prototyping' for about a year
decimation: and they are still 'fundraising' as far as I can tell
decimation: with a reasonable and open bus, it would be simple to plug in an fpga card if one wanted to use
decimation: PCI is neither reasonable nor open
asciilifeform: where is the open fpga?
decimation: no it uses xilinix
asciilifeform: pci is a paragon of transparency compared with any extant fpga
decimation: I guess 'no nda' just means drivers specs
decimation: yeah
asciilifeform: and how about the micro in the ssd ?
asciilifeform: whither the specs
decimation: hehe asciilifeform pokes
asciilifeform: will poke until it bursts. and it doesn't take much.
asciilifeform: hardware trolls - to scrapyard. authors - to biodiesel.
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decimation: one wonders about the touchscreen drivers too
decimation: what about the keyboard uC firmware?
decimation: and so forth
asciilifeform: the most enraging thing is the idiots who think there has been -any- progress made on this front.
asciilifeform: because this is a situation where anything short of 100% is equivalent to 0%.
decimation: basically to even *start* to do anything will require someone like that russian billionare giving a shit
asciilifeform: would have to give enough of a shit to fund, but not enough to attempt to direct. this will happen shortly after pigs fly.
decimation: yeah. if herr watson wishes to poke at modernity that would be a good start
decimation: but his few $mil is too piddly to accomplish anything
asciilifeform: incidentally, there once lived upon the good earth a group of people who carried on development of entirely open computer hardware, prying open closed turds whenever they felt necessary without even breaking a sweat
asciilifeform: and daring anyone to try to stop them
asciilifeform: it was called the ussr.
mats: well, when the rocket leaves the pad, id be happy to join you in this prying
asciilifeform favours the 'year zero' approach, but this is not news
asciilifeform: a forcibly blown open 'xilinx' soft/hard stack would be a good start though.
asciilifeform: as i may have once explained, the chicoms have not done this and should not be expected to ever do it, because fpga is profoundly useless in a mass consumer product.
asciilifeform: fundamentally.
decimation: asciilifeform: "US Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act...' << obey or gasenwagen!" << USG generally has no problem giving commands to 'technical people' in its Vader Voice
asciilifeform: decimation: that line was a 'the mask fell off' moment in that article.
asciilifeform: decimation: after it, there could be no mistake as to the nature and motivations of the author.
decimation: not only is open fpga useless for consumer market, it openly antagonizes it
asciilifeform: it is simply wasteful for any extant mass application - does a dildo need general-purpose switching matrix logic ?
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asciilifeform: don't wait for the chinese to copy fpga. they have no reason whatsoever to.
asciilifeform: for prototyping (the only thing they are presently used for) they are happy to buy the american chips and use their closed turdchains.
decimation: yeah, it really is only useful for 'actual people' who want to research interesting digital applications
asciilifeform: just as china (along with the rest of the planet) happily runs winblows.
decimation: this is not a large market
asciilifeform: it's a market of, what... 10 people.
decimation: is this dominance of xilinix, ms, etc really a case of the 'giant' sitting on the stool?
asciilifeform: i will not only die of old age but probably manage to fossilize before anyone ever thinks of serving this market.
decimation: it seems to me that if there were any midgets, they are long gone
asciilifeform: decimation: the midgets were exterminated, possibly before birth, by patents
decimation: yeah and copyright in the case of ms
asciilifeform: decimation: notice that all known fpga manufacturers (xilinx, altera, lattice, a few others) have the same business model
decimation: it's a neat trick to time-warp into the future and murder your competitors in the womb
asciilifeform: licensing of circuit modules
asciilifeform: this is because it is quite impossible, as i understand, to really make serious money selling the chips
asciilifeform: they virtually never end up in consumer products except as a result of extreme haste (rushing a prototype to market)
decimation: yeah I've heard it referred to as the "ip cores" market
asciilifeform: (where!? see, e.g, the 'rio pmp' early mp3 player.)
asciilifeform: !s xilinx
assbot: 42 results for 'xilinx' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=xilinx
asciilifeform: discussed here on several separate occasions.
decimation: apparently the the prices they charge for these "ip cores" are highly negotiable depending on your account with them
asciilifeform: and their ability to carry out this 'air merchant' trick is entirely tied to a maximally-closed chip architecture.
asciilifeform: otherwise it would be a simple matter to learn how the mystery meat module works and remplement.
asciilifeform: *reimplement
decimation: yeah whenever I hear "ip cores" I immediately think of all the legal bullshit that they are pimping to support their 'business'
decimation: maybe some snowden working for xilinix will release the dox one day
asciilifeform: doesn't do much good
decimation: they would probably just discontinue that line
asciilifeform: i did tell the tale, of how on one occasion someone succeeded in mostly reversing a particular chip
asciilifeform: it is now entirely unobtainable.
asciilifeform: almost as much as the first (and last, and only) xilinx part that had open docs from the vendor
asciilifeform: it is never enough to reverse engineer a particular item.
asciilifeform: the results must go into soviet-style production by the megatonne.
asciilifeform: at least, for a silicon chip, that cannot be made in a cellar
decimation: that's something the russian billionare could help with
asciilifeform: but why
decimation: unfortunately there is not much 'spare' capacity
asciilifeform: there will -never- be spare capacity for a counter-economic project.
decimation: the only credible buyers I can imagine are non-us defense
asciilifeform: the same folks happily running winblows and ms-office ?
asciilifeform: hahaha
decimation: yeah I know
asciilifeform: martian defense.
asciilifeform: that's who'll buy.
decimation: as long as usg sits on the stool it will remain that way
asciilifeform: i'm not convinced this is a usg-dependent phenomenon
decimation: no, the real driver is the expense of a chip fab
asciilifeform: as in, usg can and will perish, but the widgets spoken of here will not magically appear.
asciilifeform: there would have to be some rational mechanism to bring them into being.
decimation: cheap chip fabrication would do it
decimation: but that's almost science fiction
asciilifeform: if you had cheap chip fab, there would not even be much reason to build fpga !
decimation: I mean if we could 'kickstart' such a design for a few $K
asciilifeform: other than for exotic circuits that reprogram selves, etc
asciilifeform: even then
decimation: actually the design work is way more than the fabrication
asciilifeform: nope.
asciilifeform: not if you're the designer
decimation: well, costs lifetime then
asciilifeform: costs no more than we're paying now to talk.
decimation: including the warez for design toolchain?
asciilifeform: ideally, a from-scratch rational reimplementation (that ignores patents on best-known algos, yes)
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asciilifeform: technically if you were to write a logic synthesis tool today, from scratch, it would still be 'warez'
asciilifeform: i generally tag all of the parties responsible for this state of affairs as agents of usg, whether they would think of themselves as such or not.
decimation: certainly most of their sales are to usg's layer 2
decimation: there aren't many fpgas in consumer chips in general
decimation: consumer boards I should say
asciilifeform: wasn't speaking of fpga specifically
asciilifeform: but anyone involved in the patent of algorithms apparatus
asciilifeform: in whatever capacity.
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decimation: ironically the us got its start pirating machine designs from england
asciilifeform: this is well-known.
decimation: that and talented machinists would leave to 'seed' enterprises in europe & elsewhere
asciilifeform: the secret boojum of chip business is that anything whose production is inherently centralized to that degree, is almost divinely ordained to suck.
asciilifeform: if rifles could only be produced in 12 places on the planet, most fighting would still be conducted with spears and axes.
decimation: heh http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USN/ref/MG/I/MG-2.html#16 << related
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asciilifeform: !s you and the atomic bomb
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asciilifeform: ^ more related
undata: asciilifeform: how much money would you need to produce said computer and a suitable OS?
asciilifeform: suitable for whom ?
undata: a guy wanting to write some code and keep a secret or two
asciilifeform: very vague, this.
undata hands asciilifeform his busted laptop
undata: something that replaces this piece of trash
asciilifeform: back to chip thread, for a spell - we're roughly in the situation of ancient china, which had printing but not movable type
asciilifeform: the closest thing anyone has conceived off to movable type re: chip design is the fpga concept.
asciilifeform: which is actually more analogous to a teletype (slow, ponderous, you would not want to print a book's print run on it)
asciilifeform: but indispensable for certain work.
decimation: and it isn't 'movable type' in the sense that someone with a brain can arrange the internals to serve his needs
asciilifeform: the way i understand it, a 100% open fpga, produced in a thousand factories of mutually-antagonistic owners, is the one and only way to 'open computer.'
asciilifeform: unless some fundamental discovery enabling cellar chip fab were to be made
decimation: or 'chip printing'
decimation: both of which are fantastic science fiction today
asciilifeform: ^ grantsmanship, usg desinfo.
asciilifeform: nothing remotely resembling a 'chip printer' is conceivable with presently-known physics
decimation: yeah it is easier to conceive of trained bacteria who arrange parts appropriately
decimation: 'bio-assembly' or whatever
asciilifeform: bacterium is almost as much too large as you and i.
asciilifeform: for this work.
asciilifeform: even if he had hands.
asciilifeform: once you clear away the usg grantsmanship, what mr. mold called 'scientocracy', you realize that actual science mostly 100% stopped around 1960.
decimation: yeah one would need trained molecules
asciilifeform: at least in the english world.
decimation: yes, usg 'sat' on this stool too
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asciilifeform: usg annihilated science to an extent no one ever, i suspect, thought of as possible.
asciilifeform: in contrast, e.g., trofim lysenko's victims were at least intellectually-equipped to understand what was happening to them.
mircea_popescu: mats but there please.
decimation: asciilifeform: reading about lysenko immediately conjures the 'stierlitz files' where all the nazis had a high-school education
decimation: usg also stole the "having stolen science"
asciilifeform: the ones with actual education, went off to derp in aryan physics or annenerbe etc.
asciilifeform: big, fat difference.
decimation: or fled
asciilifeform: note, there was a where to flee.
decimation: heh true this
asciilifeform: where do you flee from the planet-devourer -if you want to do science- ?
asciilifeform: no destination.
decimation: king neptune?
asciilifeform: lol
decimation: mircea_popescu: I like your romanian poet/french revolution quote. It could almost be used as a motto for the west today
mircea_popescu: hehe.
mircea_popescu: the irony of modernity is that there's no shortage of answers. in fact, they're written generally a century ago. just... nobody [knows how to] reads.
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asciilifeform should like the answer to 'how do i grow single-crystal si in jungle conditions, how do i lay down dopant with ion beam sans high vacuum' etc.
asciilifeform wants to know in what roman text these answers lie.
asciilifeform can read.
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mircea_popescu: ah but! we're talking of different things.
mircea_popescu: he was discussing politics and society.
asciilifeform: aha lol
asciilifeform: the human zoo's been around for quite some time, yes.
asciilifeform: well-documented.
mircea_popescu: quiote
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decimation: asciilifeform: I wouldn't mind a 500 micrometer fab if it were possible at home
asciilifeform: i wouldn't mind a car that runs on farts, if it were possible at home.
decimation: hehe
undata: I'm still interested to hear an estimate on the R&D cost of an 'actual' computer
asciilifeform: undata: i can't even begin to say, because the expense involved is literally astronomical.
asciilifeform: as in, you would have to re-create entire industries from scratch
asciilifeform: as if after a global thermonuking.
asciilifeform: and you would not stand to make any of it back. it would have to be a purely narcissistic pyramid built for the self-aggrandizement of some king.
ben_vulpes: fluffypony: you're in with the monetas crowd, right?
decimation: asciilifeform: what language would you use to model 'dataflow' processing?
asciilifeform: a language that i don't even care to discuss because it cannot be meaningfully executed on existing hardware.
asciilifeform: everyone i've ever spoken with on the subject ended up mentally mutilating it to fit his von neumman and synchronous cpu preconceptions.
asciilifeform: ideally, i would teach it only to those who had never programmed a computer previously.
asciilifeform: or are at least 'mostly virgin'
asciilifeform: as in, the mental equivalents of the membranes are still largely intact.
decimation: I can see that. I imagine it would have ben something kinda like verilog with features that help you design asynchronous circuitry
asciilifeform: close.
asciilifeform: s-expression syntax, for reasons described in the 'brick' essay.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> i wouldn't mind a car that runs on farts, if it were possible at home. << can you imagine hpow that'd go ? how it'd smell ? how uncomfortable the gas pipe'd get ?
asciilifeform: but even what i've said so far is hopelessly inaccurate.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i can't imagine a home chip fab would smell much better.
mircea_popescu: yeah but you wouldn't try to get head in it.
asciilifeform: ever smell even a humble laser cutter ?
asciilifeform: or an indoor space where it had been in use in the past week.
mircea_popescu: never been near one that wasn't ventilated.
asciilifeform: even with powerful exhaust motor and chimney.
mircea_popescu: !up kdomanski
asciilifeform: there is always a little leak.
mircea_popescu: mostly virgin lol.
decimation: if there is anything this channel emphasizes, it seems to me that it is the downside of what appears to be 'the good'
mircea_popescu: as in, the downside of "the good stuff that can be had for cheap" ?
decimation: no one else writes about the downside of compilers as a technology (to my knowledge)
mircea_popescu: like... intellectually cheap "investing" ?
decimation: mircea_popescu: yeah roughly
mircea_popescu: yeah, it's kinda what it is and kinda where it started.
decimation: I rolled over a pretty big retirement account into a fiat dollar broker
decimation: they gave me a 'free subscription' to 'investment training' - with seminars (not free!)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: part of eternal quest for 'write in bed' machine << i hate writing in bed.
mircea_popescu: decimation upsell all the way out of the well!
decimation: yeah exactly
asciilifeform finds that he thinks better horizontally (in all possible orientations) but has never come across a computer that he could actually put to use in that position.
decimation: asciilifeform: I think you would need 'chorded handles' so you could lay your arms on the bed
mircea_popescu: undata that's pretty much google yeah. and also everyone else trying to copy them (fb etc)
asciilifeform: decimation: the display, in practice, is the hard part
decimation: what about mounting gizmo that extends from wall or whatever?
mircea_popescu: i think best walking. am not trying to get a walking computor tho
asciilifeform: decimation: lol, just no.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform every single room in this country has hardware, wrought iron tv supporter. i've not seen a tv yet standed on any surface.
undata: mircea_popescu: I prefer standing desks; pacing and thinking go well together
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i think nearly as well when walking, and spent many years trying to construct something like a 'walking computer.'
asciilifeform: 'standing desk' has come into fashion where i live.
asciilifeform: all the way to elaborate, $1k+ hydraulic lift desks with position memory.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: would have to give enough of a shit to fund, but not enough to attempt to direct. this will happen shortly after pigs fly. << incidentally, this is why the idle rich are so important irl.
decimation: also 'walking desk'
decimation: usg has more-or-less 'sat' upon the idle rich
mircea_popescu: all the bad things teh french revolution hated, like you know, lord X who owns property but "doesn't give anything back to society"
mircea_popescu: turns out... he's giving society breathing space.
undata: things like son-of-son of oculus rift or magic leap might provide walk-and-compute of some sort, but will be hopelessly tied to derptech
undata: facebook and google respectively
undata: both of which could be seen as parasitic destroyers of anything that smells remotely innovative in the US economy
mircea_popescu: i honestly do not wish to write either walking or laying down.
mircea_popescu: im happy thinking there, can write sitting later.
undata: programming tends to piss me off; pacing is the release valve
undata: at a previous job we even had a sand-filled punching bag for that
mircea_popescu: so i guess need more women in tech ?
undata: definitely, so they can file suit when the male programmers curse and throw things, which is only natural when you're up to your eyes in shit
undata: expressing anger having become socially unacceptable is one of the signs that the US is dead
mircea_popescu: more like frustration
mircea_popescu: i've not yet seen an angry american.
mircea_popescu: ;;google "And I looked at him and my blood ran cold"
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undata is used to people thinking he's too angry, is probably even-keeled by rational standards
mircea_popescu: it's a fabled beast.
undata: mircea_popescu: naw I was raised by a proper cold-warrior; they exist
undata: two actually, if you count step-parents
mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOHPuY88Ry4 << check out his pompadour lmao
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: if rifles could only be produced in 12 places on the planet, most fighting would still be conducted with spears and axes. <<< there's a lot of depth to this observation. for instance :
mircea_popescu: consider that china had helicopter designs cca 500ad, it had known of gunpowder for 3k years by the time we finally heard of it and they were writing alchemy treatises before homer was even walking the earth.
mircea_popescu: but it ~seems~ rational to centralize such things
mircea_popescu: and so they went nowhere.
mircea_popescu: just like the ottomans ended up "the sick man of europe" through a particular choice of centralisation
decimation: it is hard to convince the giant that allowing space for the midgets would be good for him
mircea_popescu: (they put a group of men in exclusive charge of battlefield rifle use)
mircea_popescu: the only great fortune of europe in the industrial age was that they copied the dutch approach (as the tulip mania was coming to a close, dutch courts simply refused to intervene in any capacity and "Fuck you!")
mircea_popescu: but otherwise, had this been centrally planned, it'd have worked as well as that whore cixi's trains.
BingoBoingo: Perfect writing in bed implement exists already, pen + paper
mircea_popescu: why the fuck would i write on a platform that doesn't run grep o.O
mircea_popescu: !up user
decimation: https://rwcg.wordpress.com/2014/12/08/in-which-david-cote-has-decided-you-dont-care-about-how-youre-living-and-his-opinion-on-that-matters-for-some-reason/ << new kind of obamacare fascism
assbot: In which David Cote has decided you don’t care about how you’re living, and his opinion on that matters for some reason | RWCG ... ( http://bit.ly/1x493T8 )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: usg annihilated science to an extent no one ever, i suspect, thought of as possible. << lol not so. again the chinese lead. they burned the books 2x.
mircea_popescu: and the pope did a lot better cca 7-900 ad too.
mircea_popescu: decimation i like that title.
decimation: apparently obamacare 'allows' employers to give you a 'discount' off your 'insurance' premiums if you enroll in their hitlerjunge programes
mircea_popescu: lol. they copied that off japan.
decimation: yeah I like this guy's blog, he edits the mainstream media
mircea_popescu: i knew the moment the japanese started with that weird, and the us libtard class started paying attention, i knew this was coming.
mircea_popescu: famously, ceausescu once visited kim in korea, came back with a cockfull of life and brand new ideas of how to perfect socialism.
mircea_popescu: i guess this is the us' great eastern visit.
decimation: yeah that's an interesting way to put it. asians would generally place the 'good of the company ' in front of their dignity
mircea_popescu: https://rwcg.wordpress.com/2014/12/08/in-which-david-cote-has-decided-you-dont-care-about-how-youre-living-and-his-opinion-on-that-matters-for-some-reason/#comment-29999 << wonder what comes of that.
assbot: In which David Cote has decided you don’t care about how you’re living, and his opinion on that matters for some reason | RWCG ... ( http://bit.ly/1x49pcs )
decimation: I think he is some kind of trader that works for a major firm
decimation: he had a whole thread about the london whale and associated retardation
mircea_popescu: myeah.
mircea_popescu: sooo buenos aires has decided to set itself on fire because some local team won the local football cup.
mircea_popescu: this is about 3x the mess they made over world cup stuff.
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> part of eternal quest for 'write in bed' machine << macbook air?
ben_vulpes: sounds like portland, mircea_popescu. irrelevant on the global scale but 'omg have you tried these donuts my brother makes?!'
decimation: so I find these AI doomsayers highly amusing. most of them would laugh at a Christian's claim of revelation (knowledge which comes neither through induction nor deduction) but are more than happy to jump on board the eliezer yudkowsky tard train because "I know it is true"
undata: decimation: the "singularity" is precisely technobabble heaven
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undata: seems like the AI doom scenario is just the inverted singularity
mircea_popescu: !up aabtc
decimation: !up badon
mircea_popescu: decimation the magical mental needs of the feeble minded don't go away simply because they are surrounded by / live in a society based on more advanced thoughts.
decimation: right, but in this case the 'feeble minded' are also the supposed captains of technology/science
mircea_popescu: you can dress 'em whichever way you want, but in the end a monkey merely trained to recognise the letters is not a scholar, and just so these "modern" men and women are in fact quite primitive.
undata: heaven/hell myths are found everywhere
undata: probably crudely useful to imagine "best" and "worst" possible circumstances when you don't have many concepts to rub together
mircea_popescu: i dunno, the traditional heaven (dude, it's like a really large field, we can camp and hike! and graze!)
mircea_popescu: seems to me pretty dang awful.
undata: mircea_popescu: yeah, we'll need a better heaven! heaven 3.0
undata: with sex-robots and teleportation
decimation: the Bible is certainly unclear on the specifics. I imagine it is a place where one can ask God wtf he was thinking
mircea_popescu: !s secret of turbulent flow
assbot: 0 results for 'secret of turbulent flow' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=secret+of+turbulent+flow
mircea_popescu: psssh
mircea_popescu: !s secret of turbulence
assbot: 0 results for 'secret of turbulence' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=secret+of+turbulence
undata wonders whether there aren't things resembling heaven, hell and the other very basic concepts rolling around in his subconscious
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2014#567906 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 19-03-2014 19:04:08; asciilifeform: and, finally, his moment arrived! von Kármán surrendered his orange ticket, took a deep breath, and said, "God, explain turbulence." Theodore von Kármán spent the rest of eternity burning in Hell.'
decimation: lol
danielpbarron: 10:55 <+decimation> the Bible is certainly unclear on the specifics. << seems pretty specific to me https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+21%3A9-21&version=NKJV
assbot: Revelation 21:9-21 NKJV - The New Jerusalem - Then one of the - Bible Gateway ... ( http://bit.ly/1vRQBfd )
undata: I don't know how scientific the Jungian stuff is
undata: which is to say, not
undata: but maybe certain behaviors (like imagining a 'heaven' state) are instinctive
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undata requests the changelog for the human mind
undata: danielpbarron: strictly speaking, that's not heaven
undata: that's the new earth or whatever
danielpbarron: it's described as "the bride, the Lamb’s wife" and "the great city, the holy Jerusalem"
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undata: danielpbarron: right, god's supposed to drop that new city on jerusalem
undata: so not heaven, earth
undata: hm, actually the description is more munged together than that
danielpbarron: Jerusalem is God and God is the kingdom of heaven http://www.atruechurch.info/throne.html
assbot: A True Church - The Throne, Heaven, and the Kingdom Are God. ... ( http://bit.ly/1vRUPDB )
undata: And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
undata: what does god have against the sea?
undata: anyhow that makes it sound like some kind of heaven on earth scenario
undata: gold walls and everything
danielpbarron: physical things exist in heaven; that is not an attribute limited to earthly things
undata: " Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent.
undata: "
undata: curse you, paste gods
decimation: undata: but this is exactly the 'revelation' point I was making above
undata: decimation: which?
undata: I agree that they're both the same flavor of magical thinking.
decimation: My point is that everyone has magical thinking
undata: ah yeah, then agreed doubly
undata: takes vigilance to do otherwise
decimation: I'm not sure it is humanly possibly, but I only have myself to speak for
undata: however, it might be adaptive to have a touch of it; would I keep working towards escaping the gravity well if I wasn't certain I can accomplish it?
undata: though that might not be too magical; I'm not asserting that it *will* happen, merely deciding to press on towards it
undata: it's hard to draw that line
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undata: decimation: I've wondered whether our capacity for creativity is exactly what tends to rot the brain
cazalla: anyone with an xbox account able to find out for me if microsoft is using bitpay or coinbase for this accept bitcoin news?
undata: decimation: from a certain perspective, imagining things that do not exist and creating them is delusion-fueled activity
decimation: undata: I think there is a 'yearning for meaning' inside of each human, and that generally drives them to choose a god of some kind
decimation: often themselves - self-appointment to what is god and what isn't
undata: decimation: yeah, some kind of "truth" accumulator
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: macbook air << funny that you mention that machine, because i have the original model. it mostly gathers dust.
undata: asciilifeform: that's probably my next one after this wreck
undata: I had a retina macbook, total rubbish
asciilifeform: usg has more-or-less 'sat' upon the idle rich << the 'idle' (what does this mean? presumably, not occupied with directing a megacorp?) rich still exist. they spend on coke and orbital flights with hookers, not rebuilding of computing.
decimation: asciilifeform: and fearing the ai holocaust
thestringpuller: cazalla: it's not with a 3rd party
cazalla: thestringpuller, so they're taking it direct?
undata: decimation: veering into woo-woo territory, but in meditation I've often gotten the sense that the sense of "myself" in my head is a very small chunk of what I am
undata: that there are drives, goals, whole projects somewhere lower-level that I'm barely conscious of
thestringpuller: cazalla: lemme see. i'll try to order something after I finish this thing for work.
cazalla: thestringpuller, thanks, no xbox or microsoft account here
asciilifeform: pen + paper << i end up doing a great bit of work with pen and paper, even though ink is not executable and my hands are in agony after ten minutes - simply because it works in places and positions where no computer
thestringpuller: hopefully I don't by xbox live or something in the process :P
decimation: undata: certainly if one accepts that God is external, one would have to consider what which comes from Him and that which does not.
cazalla: actually, misses has a hotmail, i'll go harass her
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asciilifeform: undata, ben_vulpes: aside from the titanic effort involved in using mac for serious work, that machine is far too large and heavy for the kind of bed computing contemplated earlier.
undata: decimation: I consider "god" a barely scrutable term
undata: if things bigger than skulls are conscious, I wouldn't be qualified to comment on them
asciilifeform: undata: the sense of "myself" in my head is a very small chunk << see the crackpot work 'society of mind' by marvin minsky.
asciilifeform: it was largely about this.
undata: asciilifeform: I'm more referring to things like, say you notice in the workplace that you have been for the last year in direct competition with another worker
undata: it seems the mind has plenty of processes running on autopilot which can be mindfully observed, but often aren't
asciilifeform: book was about this.
undata: asciilifeform: this sounds like the thing dennett has said about "pandemonium"
thestringpuller: cazalla: can I write up the scoop?
thestringpuller: mr. editor sir!
undata: asciilifeform: you've never found yourself doing things you never consciously chose to do?
undata: surely there are canonical examples of that happening with the opposite sex
cazalla: thestringpuller, sure, i was planning to do so but i checked out my missus account and there is no bitcoin option, maybe not for aus yet
cazalla: i'm not that familiar with it, does this let you buy credits or something thestringpuller ?
cazalla: seems that is for xbox credit whatever the fuck that is
undata: asciilifeform: pretty sure this is the experiment I'm thinking of 40hz.net/david_2011.pdf
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undata: asciilifeform: the idea is that people can be shown to have made a decision before they are capable of reporting that decision to anyone
undata: this mental conversation I have about "yes, pick up the cup and have a sip" happens substantially later than the action to do so is already in motion
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 22804 @ 0.0012 = 27.3648 BTC
mats: ;;ticker
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BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> usg has more-or-less 'sat' upon the idle rich << the 'idle' (what does this mean? presumably, not occupied with directing a megacorp?) rich still exist. they spend on coke and orbital flights with hookers, not rebuilding of computing. << The conversion of cocaine from productivity aide to party favor has probably been one of the msot damaging transitions of this last hundred years
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 25 @ 0.14 = 3.5 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: !up MacroHard
MacroHard: ᕦ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)ᕤ
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asciilifeform: undata: famous experiment.
asciilifeform: brings to mind whitehead's:
asciilifeform: 'It is a profoundly erroneous truism, repeated by all copy-books and by eminent people when they are making speeches, that we should cultivate the habit of thinking of what we are doing. The precise opposite is the case. Civilization advances by extending the number of important operations which we can perform without thinking about them. Operations of thought are like cavalry charges in a battle — they are strictly limited
asciilifeform: in number, they require fresh horses, and must only be made at decisive moments.'
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: idle rich << point was, there are still plenty of arbitrarily rich and arbitrarily idle folks. they simply happen to be retarded. afaik - 100% of them, rather than 99 or whatever the historic norm was.
asciilifeform: or not 100, but the epsilon remnant are 'idle' in the economic sense but fighting guerilla war of one kind or another and can't really afford cultural largesse
thestringpuller: Ryan X. Charles: "I discovered bitcoin on May 13, 2011 and never recovered. After developing a reputation as the bitcoin guy at the physics department, I eventually quit my physics PhD program and went full-time bitcoin. I worked for the best bitcoin company in the world, BitPay"
thestringpuller: he goes on to say: " If I had written bitcoin, it would have been in javascript."
thestringpuller: Like what the actual fuck?
asciilifeform: trololol
thestringpuller: You can't make this shit up.
thestringpuller: reddit's cyrptocurrency "engineer"
thestringpuller: if you can even call that engineering
thestringpuller: from: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2ox7vi/bitcoin_technology_will_ultimately_become/
undata: underabundance of shame these days
undata: where is the embarassment
thestringpuller: d00d and people are eating it up!!!!
thestringpuller: "I wish Bitcoin was written in JS, I'd be able to understand it a bit better."
asciilifeform: it is a profound tragedy that these 'people' ever saw a computer.
asciilifeform: should not have had access to any technology more complex than pitchfork.
undata: "Javascript is actually in demand now for good reason. Node.js is a powerful tool for specific applications and you no longer need to know 2 languages if you go the full JS stack." << I call this single-step reasoning. It's everywhere.
asciilifeform: !s deskilling
assbot: 2 results for 'deskilling' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=deskilling
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: should not have had access to any technology more complex than pitchfork. << but isn't this how ignorant mobs form? as much as I like a pitchfork mob....
asciilifeform: point is, they should be breaking their backs for their daily bread.
asciilifeform: literally.
undata: I'd accept that given some decent mechanism for outliers to escape that circumstance.
asciilifeform: escapees - escape.
asciilifeform: even from russian prison. even from modern usa.
thestringpuller: well at least you can bribe the guards in a russian prison
thestringpuller: they seem more "reasonable"
asciilifeform: newton did not have to bribe any guards to escape from agriculture.
asciilifeform: but today he would probably be inextricably imprisoned in reddit or, worse, anglo academe.
thestringpuller: imprisoned in reddit how?
thestringpuller: you make it sound like Yishan Wong would kidnap him.
asciilifeform: psychological prison.
asciilifeform: the nearly escape-proof kind.
undata: don't know... my mother was single raising me for part of my early childhood
undata: sounds like a person headed for serfdom under this scenario
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thestringpuller: well someone who is going to exclaim nonsense about JS being useful to "understand code" should be stuffed in the bowels of some buildings as a serf
undata: being poor is enough
asciilifeform: other thing is, these people only exist as merely one symptom of a long series of catastrophes
asciilifeform: what is to be done with them is a question not for you and i, but, in all likelihood, for the chinese ministry of biodiesel
thestringpuller: this is why chinese people send their children to america
thestringpuller: "you won't make it in china, you too dumb, we send you to american high school come back as adult, bye bye"
asciilifeform: why did british nobles send their children to india?
thestringpuller: for meritwashing I presume?
asciilifeform: cheap fellatio, practice at management, breathing room
asciilifeform: well-documented.
thestringpuller: interesting.
thestringpuller: American Schools are easier to pass through for children of stricter education systems.
asciilifeform: (see also orwell's essay re: how the telegraph was the ultimate doom of british empire)
thestringpuller: The ones that brand you a fuck-up if you don't pass "the entrance exam" of which you only have on opportunity to pass.
undata: this serfdom thing doesn't sound any better than what the man behind the curtain has produced in the garden-variety american derp
asciilifeform: difference is that the agricultural serf is not a burden upon his betters.
undata: ah, that's the aim
asciilifeform: i will add that agricultural slavery is an optimistic scenario for the folks in question.
thestringpuller: Also American Derp is not hardworking, or truly values hardwork. The serf likely does (imo at least).
thestringpuller: They glorify antics from sitcoms such as "Workaholics" finding ways to be lazy but still get by.
asciilifeform: the more realistic fate is butugychag.
thestringpuller: What is that term, "Manboy/Manchild"?
asciilifeform: !s butugychag
assbot: 8 results for 'butugychag' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=butugychag
undata: thestringpuller: it's the experience of starting with nothing and struggling ahead that makes an adult
asciilifeform: soviet prison camp where uranium was mined.
undata: so, poverty, but not serfdom
asciilifeform: typical life expectancy: 3 mo.
thestringpuller: undata: but this isn't the only factor. unimpoverished children can still amount to hardworking individuals, just with different contexts.
thestringpuller: sure you don't sling crack to get lunch money, but you hustle in other scenarios
undata: thestringpuller: I'd think it wise to at least demo the poor life for them
thestringpuller: i.e. prince and the pauper?
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thestringpuller: or rather undercover billionaire?
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: wow bleak: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butugichag#In_literature
thestringpuller: brutal: "Witnesses of the camp state that the camp took the life of some 380,000 people in the 10 years of its existence. Most notable about the camp is the fact that uranium mining was conducted here manually without any protective gear whatsoever. The average miner's life span lasted only months here"
asciilifeform: this is the correct use for the 'i dun wanna learn a second programming language' folks.
undata: thestringpuller: the pattern in my family (at least for the first male kid) has been to impress upon them the value and necessity of hard work, and then to drop them into the world to fend for themselves at the appropriate time
asciilifeform: not for the crime of being dull, but for militant stupidity and the active poisoning of all that was ever good and bright.
thestringpuller: ^- exactly!
thestringpuller: some derps actively take away from the well being of others
thestringpuller: almost like dropping the IQ of their peers by merely existing
asciilifeform: extermination is far too kind a fate for them.
asciilifeform: !s zoolag
assbot: 8 results for 'zoolag' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=zoolag
undata: I can't think of an instance in history where blunt instruments such as these were wielded effectively.
asciilifeform: nothing 'in history' ever really happens 'effectively'
asciilifeform: or with sharp instruments.
ben_vulpes: what is there to explain about turbulence?!
thestringpuller: XD
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mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> usg has more-or-less 'sat' upon the idle rich << the 'idle' (what does this mean? << the early modern period had ample supply of this particular type. literally, idle.
ben_vulpes: at some scales and without some simplifying assumptions you just need a universe to model a universe!
ben_vulpes: what is so damn hard to grasp about this
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-09-2014#846621 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 27-09-2014 02:36:41; asciilifeform: 'If you're a defendant, you don't get to claim your fingerprints miraculously appeared at a crime scene... If you're a bookkeeper, you don't get to say money miraculously disappeared from your company...'
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: in that spirit, e.g., a physicist -never- gets to utter the phrase 'you need a universe to model this'
asciilifeform: when he utters it, we are to understand that he is ready for the biodiesel retirement pot
mircea_popescu: <thestringpuller> You can't make this shit up. << word.
mircea_popescu: but at least the derp dept moved from "blockchain technology" to "bitcoin technology".
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: but you do, dammit
ben_vulpes: and what about that portland lawyer whose fingerprints appeared miraculously at the scene?!
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: it doesn't even matter if you do. if you're bothering to think about the subject, your job is to assume that the job is doable and try - forever
mircea_popescu waves at all the idiots reading here, imagining that http://trilema.com/2011/romanul-si-marea/ was never written, and one can just steal the octopus' suckers to put onhis own fingers.
assbot: Romanul si marea pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1seSNh9 )
mircea_popescu: undata> "Javascript is actually in demand now for good reason. << "we are stupid but don't like to admit it" being the reason.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: that's one hell of an assumption, that the task is doable.
undata protests at where that quote was clipped!
undata: a quote of a quote I swear
ben_vulpes: "build me a space elevator from materials available today."
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: im pretty sure its quoteness carries.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: understand correctly. actual 'impossibility proofs' - are valuable. (consider laws of thermodynamics; or, more fundamentally, mathematical concepts - e.g., irrationality of sqrt(2))
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: but anything which merely appears impossibly difficult, rather than provable waste of time, is a matter for folks who think it worth trying
ben_vulpes: those of us who think it not, kindly invited to pleb elsewhere i gather.
asciilifeform: or, alternatively, attempt above proof
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: "we are stupid but don't like to admit it" << this is good critera for sending derps off to asciilifeform derper's retirement camp.
ben_vulpes: i am but a mere engineer.
ben_vulpes: and a poor one at that.
mircea_popescu: i dunno why all this geographic arrangement. a bitcoin island, a derp camp...
mircea_popescu: can't they just stick to reddit, wikipedia et all ?
asciilifeform: retirement pot.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> this is the correct use for the 'i dun wanna learn a second programming language' folks. << liek the ppl that want everything to be lisp ? :D
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: the cancer must be excised and disposed. Although it may be in remission...
asciilifeform: !s lisp brick
assbot: 1 results for 'lisp brick' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=lisp+brick
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller eh let it excise itself. why should i do the work for people i don't even like.
mircea_popescu: beating the women i love is more work than i feel like as it is.
ben_vulpes: he loves!
ben_vulpes: my world is shaken
mircea_popescu: ...
mircea_popescu: srsly ?! this is somehow a surprise !?
ben_vulpes: you're supposed to be a moster.
ben_vulpes: an unfeeling, joy-crushing monster.
mircea_popescu: oh really ?
thestringpuller: MP doesn't like it when people have fun.
thestringpuller: He is a grumpy old man!
ben_vulpes: write everything in php!
asciilifeform: the concept of joyous, exuberant monster being too terrifying for the retirement pot candidates, naturally
mircea_popescu: sucks to be me i guess.
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ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i am struck by thoughts of jabba
asciilifeform: mr mold's fnargl.
undata: ho ho ho
asciilifeform: and his thousand-year fnarg.
asciilifeform: ;;google thousand year fnarg
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mircea_popescu: this just took a turn for the weird - erryone discussing me in terms im unfamiliar with
mircea_popescu: STAHP
ben_vulpes: herr mircea cannot handle
ben_vulpes: bring in the social justice police, this society is out of hand
thestringpuller: troll level: professional
mircea_popescu: + i accidentally sent asciilifeform's line about 2nd code and pots to some chick i'm talking with on the side. she's new and was just probing as to what's in principle required of new chicks.
mircea_popescu: silence fell upon that land.
asciilifeform falls down with l0l
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BingoBoingo: !b 4
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fluffypony: ben_vulpes: monetas?
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Your monero thing
fluffypony: oh, yes
mats: ;;ticker
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Expln in deets pls.
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 357.59, Best ask: 357.6, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 357.6, 24 hour volume: 13375.89528924, 24 hour low: 339.8, 24 hour high: 363.99, 24 hour vwap: 0
fluffypony: sure, it's a cryptocurrency, not based on the Bitcoin source, no GUI at present
fluffypony: transactions are cryptographically untraceable and unlinkable
fluffypony: "mixing" is done on inputs for a tx only, based on denominations of ^10, and inputs are mixed with previously unspent inputs
fluffypony: via ring signatures (group signatures)
fluffypony: at the moment no minimum mixin level is enforced, so ostensibly an output in the utxoset can actually be spent at some point with a mixin of 0, and thus is *actually* spent
BingoBoingo: Eh, what's the differences. The interesting stuff? I'm fighting a generic winter illness and slowly realizing a bottle of cold medicine is supposed to contain multiple doses.
fluffypony: it depends on what your interest is
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 4460 @ 0.0012 = 5.352 BTC {2}
fluffypony: if you're interested in the cryptography of it
fluffypony: or the software architecture we're building out
fluffypony: or whatever
BingoBoingo: What's tortilla's interest?
fluffypony: he's one of my fellow core team members
fluffypony: so his interest is intrinsic and complete :)
BingoBoingo: Oh that's right, you saw the castle
fluffypony: that was before Risto had any interest in Monero
BingoBoingo: I know
BingoBoingo: I just like the idea of castles, like mudkips
fluffypony: lol
BingoBoingo: I mean castles are basically the motorola 68k of fortifications
fluffypony: well anyway, the cryptography interests me most of all, and there's some cool stuff we're doing
fluffypony: and some nice research on that side of things: https://lab.monero.cc
assbot: Monero Research Lab - Protecting Your Privacy's Future ... ( http://bit.ly/1GfK5Si )
mircea_popescu: fluffypony so can one buy it ?
fluffypony: on that note, breakfast time, bbiab
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: yes
fluffypony: poloniex has the highest volume
mircea_popescu: what % of total monetarymass does 1 btc buy one ?
fluffypony: of the current number of coins?
fluffypony: oh you said total
fluffypony: we have infinite tail emission, the block reward value of which hasn't been set as yet
fluffypony: so there isn't a total
mircea_popescu: ah
mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/9p0U3vVe << that poloniex thing looks trustworthy as all fuck o.O
assbot: AnnouncementsSTR deposits and withdrawals are down and will resume when maintena - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1GfKww2 )
mircea_popescu: did they just lose their wallets 3x or something ?
BingoBoingo: Poloniex I always assumed was polonium
mircea_popescu: fluffypony so from a purely business pov, why would i give this thing a 2nd thought ? what exactly can my 1 btc buy me and how ?
fluffypony: well the current price is 0.00109 to the BTC, and there are just over 5 mil coins at the moment
fluffypony: from a business PoV it's unlikely to be a good investment unless you're happy to hold it for several years
mircea_popescu: yeah but it can get diluted infinitely.
mircea_popescu: well no, so far i gather the contrary : i'm guaranteed to not see any mid or longm term return
mircea_popescu: it may make sense if i won't hold it overnight sorta thing
fluffypony: yup it's designed to be slightly inflationary not deflationary
BingoBoingo: No point in it unless there's a cap
fluffypony: so any growth comes from utility and not from a deflationary nature
mircea_popescu: but basically any growth won't come to me. so i won't build on it.
mircea_popescu: and why would anyone else then ?
fluffypony: same reason people build on top of i2p or Tor
mircea_popescu: which we don't...
fluffypony: anyway breakfast for real noa, bbiab :)
BingoBoingo: If you are going to darknet what's wrong with old style turtle routing?
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Maybe It's the robitussin, but without a hard cap on supply how do we break the "new" world
mircea_popescu: fluffypony understand what i'm saying here. you seem cogent and together, you're working on this whatever thing i can't readily evaluate. i'd consider putting a few coins into it ; i can even ignore the involvement of whatever known derp on the theory that on the long term sterile works itself out of metal anyway so who cares.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, it gotta somehow make business sense. and the problem is, if it doesn't make it for me it doesn't make it in general, because what exact particular assumptions got baked in ? nothing much. if there isn't a good answer to "so what's my btc buy me" other than handwave, there's probably no better answer to "what's your time buy you" other than, whatever, "playing a mmorpg".
mircea_popescu: nothing wrong with that, i just spent a coupla hours derping in eulora myself. jus as long as it's not coming as a surprise later.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile back at crazy shit ranch : "I am a twenty-year old sub living with my dom in Sask in a 24/7 D/s relationship. For the past two years I have been training as a sub and saving money for school. In the summer I will be relocating to Toronto for college in the fall. My Sir will find a Dom for me there with the hopes of finding me someone to stay with while I study. In exchange I will serve him as his slave for
mircea_popescu: the years I spend in Toronto."
mircea_popescu: canadian govt srsly has to do some liquidity injections o.O
BingoBoingo: I think pete_dushenski is out lobbyist up there
adlai: mircea_popescu: do you seriously think that selling "a few coins" into an altcoin will buy you more than a handwave?
mircea_popescu: i dun think i understand what you're asking here.
adlai: treating it as a whalerpg where you take turns playing bull and bear is another story
adlai: i'm just being scoffy at the prospect that an altcoin offers tangible benefits beyond, say, speculating on the coin's value without actually holding any
mircea_popescu: well, if your view is correct then all altcoins are essentialy the logo.
mircea_popescu: i don't think he'd agree.
adlai: for a coin to offer more than just a speculation game, it needs to have some chance of outperforming btc
mircea_popescu: right.
adlai: for example, this monero thing... let's say the tech is remarkably successful, and as this becomes evident, the value grows TENFOLD
adlai: so we now have a 10mil market cap
adlai: and the amazing tech gets copied by btc
adlai: and then the guys who bagheld xmr through the great bear market of 2014 all take a group dump on the people who bought non-scarce goods
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34729 @ 0.00068972 = 23.9533 BTC [+] {2}
adlai: anybody trading on mpex want to try scalpl?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7292 @ 0.00070292 = 5.1257 BTC [+]
adlai is curious how it'd fare on s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35320 @ 0.00070426 = 24.8745 BTC [+] {2}
adlai: ok that's enough. next time i bring up scalpl not in response to somebody else, please !down me
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4238 @ 0.00070793 = 3.0002 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: adlai that wasn't the most organised argument i ever read :p
adlai: which one, the one against long-term investments in altcoins?
adlai: it's hard to organize an argument against nobody. kinda like planning an invasion without a map.
mircea_popescu: i dun think "invesing in altcoin" generally was being contemplated.
adlai must've misunderstood http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-12-2014#951036 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 11-12-2014 07:19:05; mircea_popescu: fluffypony understand what i'm saying here. you seem cogent and together, you're working on this whatever thing i can't readily evaluate. i'd consider putting a few coins into it ; i can even ignore the involvement of whatever known derp on the theory that on the long term sterile works itself out of metal anyway so who cares.
adlai: if i were to specifically attack that, i'd start from the assumption that a cogent and together person necessarily occupies their time in an activity which lends itself to monetary investment
adlai: plenty of cogent and together people dedicate their time to charity, but it's not a terribly rewarding investment
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot fluffypony
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user fluffypony: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 8 via 8 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=fluffypony | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=fluffypony | Rated since: Sat Apr 6 08:20:32 2013
mircea_popescu: guy's been around for a while wut.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: could the airgap concept of the cardano be applied to storage?
thestringpuller: i know that's somewhat random...
mircea_popescu: why not ?
thestringpuller: i was thinking of the scenario of having to absolutely read an encrypted memo but only have a potentially compromised/malicious system available
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9964 @ 0.00072082 = 7.1823 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: If a system is compromised it's compromised
mircea_popescu: seems airgap means you're not touching some other system neh.
thestringpuller: or in the sense it is non-trivial to remove data from the device
thestringpuller: more in the sense*
mircea_popescu: how did the memo end up in there then.
thestringpuller: so lets say the system in use is not a secure viewer, but a device is available (some mobile thingy of some sort), that is a secure viewer, but is unable to do heavy lifting. just reads from drive and displays it. so the use case I imagine is someone is sent important "please read now" encrypted memo to some dude who is boarding a flight. he uses one of the surely compromised internet cafe computers and his hand caradno to decr
mircea_popescu: it'd decript somethinmg you got off a pastebin for you, but obviously it can't guarantee the computer you're on won't read your memo too
mircea_popescu: just that it won't be able to steal your keys
thestringpuller: exactly, so I was envisioning a device that can i/o securely from output of cardano
thestringpuller: in the way key on cardano is nontrivial to remove
thestringpuller: same with data on this device that stores output from decryption
mircea_popescu: i dun see it.
BingoBoingo: I think you two are talking about different devices
thestringpuller: well i guess I'm thinking of combining cardano with 2nd device
thestringpuller: place to store output
thestringpuller: for situations arising "in the field"
mircea_popescu: the storing isnot the problem. how'd you read it ?
punkman: thestringpuller wants a screen on the cardano
thestringpuller: That could be a solution!
thestringpuller: punkman has the right idea!
punkman: or a tiny laptop thingy
undata: there are many simple text-output LCDs
undata: however anything like that becomes another point to siphon data off the thing if you derp using it
mircea_popescu: real programmers just sense the bits.
mircea_popescu: screens are for weaklings!
thestringpuller: that's another option have little magnets implanted in finger tips
thestringpuller: cardano has little interface
thestringpuller: why not just have plug directly into skull
punkman: you could make a tactile morse generator
mircea_popescu: or a dildo.
mircea_popescu: feel the morse.
punkman: mircea_popescu: punkman no notary still ? << good night's sleep and not busy today, shall make progress
mircea_popescu: aite.
punkman: mircea_popescu: punkman: yeah and maybe indian/chinese guy watered field with sewage << actually good for it. << sewage is good for tea?
mircea_popescu: for the field.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18362 @ 0.00071765 = 13.1775 BTC [-]
punkman: saw this recently, about making fertilizer from NY sewage https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QV9x79_WYbk
assbot: You Don't Know Shit: VICE Reports (Full Length) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1sfbfWT )
punkman: not sure I'd want my tomatos fed on human shit
mircea_popescu: what do you think the earth is if not hardpacked, ancient sewage.
BingoBoingo: punkman: Fine baby the tomatoes, but what about the sweet corn
punkman: I mean humanure is fine, if you are in the wot
mircea_popescu: hahaha
punkman: but I don't want NY sewage
mircea_popescu: humanure, where humint goes to die.
BingoBoingo: humanure isn't a thing
BingoBoingo: It's night soil and it grows rice.
BingoBoingo: Ship it to the deep south.
BingoBoingo: Isn't that what the civil war was over?
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by thestringpuller: http://qntra.net/2014/12/microsoft-xbox-and-mobile-marketplace-now-accepts-bitcoin/
BingoBoingo: !up Curious_George
BingoBoingo: Hello Curious_George
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6337 @ 0.00068143 = 4.3182 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 361.04, Best ask: 362.14, Bid-ask spread: 1.10000, Last trade: 361.04, 24 hour volume: 14786.74135077, 24 hour low: 339.8, 24 hour high: 364.43, 24 hour vwap: 0
BingoBoingo: Is the robitussin bottle really not supposed to be a single serving?
mircea_popescu: lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1025 @ 0.00120505 = 1.2352 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: Fucking CYP2D6 again
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18221 @ 0.00065957 = 12.018 BTC [-]
fluffypony: adlai: the problem is that the "amazing tech" can't easily be copied by BTC - although I'd agree fully on that being applicable to altcoins based off of the Bitcoin codebase. the problem isn't so much the code, it's that the stealth addresses + ring signatures are such a radical departure that Bitcoin would (obviously) have to hardfork to an address format that is completely different to their current one (since it requires 2x 256-bit
fluffypony: pubkeys) thus breaking compatibility with every existing application, and then enforce the standard for some time before the utxoset is sufficiently large to allow for a measurable level of privacy (see MRL-0001 on lab.monero.cc as to why this is true)
fluffypony: to get back to the previous convo, though - it isn't an "investment", nor has it been pitched as such
mircea_popescu: fluffypony i dun think his idea is directly applicable (stolen by btc), but nevertheless, someone with a better business value proposition can just fork your code.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: that's like saying someone with a better business value proposition can just fork BTC
fluffypony: the network effect of BTC works against that
mircea_popescu: but only for btc.
fluffypony: maybe it's best to think of Monero as something like Freicoin - an experiment in creating something usable and useful
fluffypony: and if it fails it doesn't matter, we're not trying to build a business, we're advancing technology
mircea_popescu: so you are in the endsaying this is more of a hobby than serious.
mircea_popescu: right.
adlai: fluffypony: blockstream is a for-profit company in order to steal your lunch
mircea_popescu: adlai i doubt it'd be his lunch.
adlai: it's a metaphor :)
mircea_popescu: guy pretty much said hedun expect to eat off it.
fluffypony: yeah
fluffypony: lol
adlai: i don't mean it in that sense, i mean that their goal is to make innovations in other chains accessible to the bitcoin asset
fluffypony: yes
adlai: and the "your" referred to all these projects, not just fluffypony
mircea_popescu: innovation is nonblocking.
fluffypony: but that also means that the altcoin is indelibly linked to Bitcoin's value
fluffypony: the economic hinge makes sidechaining unpalatable for us
fluffypony: but I do applaud the effort if it'll make shit like Jackpotcoin irrelevant
mircea_popescu: fluffypony all future coin, of any type, and more generally all future human industry of all types is indelibly linked to bitcoin
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18250 @ 0.00067111 = 12.2478 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: this is a fact and it's not going away except in fiction.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I agree, but what I mean is that a sidechain can't have a direct USD market, for instance, it will always have to go via Bitcoin
mircea_popescu: perhaps. then again this may be a rather short term concern you see.
fluffypony: most altcoins are scams anyway
fluffypony: either outrightly or through blind ignorance
mircea_popescu: right.
fluffypony: oh cute, Bryce Weenie blocked me on Twitter
fluffypony: I guess he didn't like being called idiotic: https://twitter.com/fluffyponyza/status/542109944901009408
assbot: Those derps… RT /BryceWeiner: /blockchain.info published private keys. http://t.co/B6tmulgmyY
mircea_popescu: trying to recall who that is.
fluffypony: he's the guy that keeps getting "interviewed" by Seaman
mircea_popescu: oh i recall the derp. i think i told him off back when i was on twitter.
fluffypony: yeah, he keeps promoting shitcoins like Nautiluscoin
fluffypony: the one with the "stabilization fund"
fluffypony: which clearly didn't stabilise anything
mircea_popescu: well, neither did the various stabilisation funds irl lol.
fluffypony: lol
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: It is alright. The coinfire account on twitter blocked both myself and cazalla that one time we made a blog even though... Eventually we may want to hire their meat.
fluffypony: heh
mircea_popescu: anyway, /me waits patiently for fluffypony to be done with playing and start srs bzns.
fluffypony: lol
fluffypony: I've got stuff I'm building on the business side
BingoBoingo waits for the scorpions to shrink again, fuck you robitussin cold and flu
fluffypony: when I have something cool to show I will :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29500 @ 0.00064969 = 19.1659 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: now /me waits patiently for the home videos of fluffyfamily.
fluffypony: ooh la la
punkman: fluffypony: what happened to that prospectus
fluffypony: punkman: which one?
punkman: vaguely remember one when you first joined
fluffypony: oh yes - I decided to fund it myself
fluffypony: had a bit of a false start on one of the projects, shitty resources, so that's just picked up again as of a few weeks ago
punkman: what was it about?
fluffypony: that particular one is a payment processor
fluffypony: omg it's rithm everyone hide
BingoBoingo: !up rithm
BingoBoingo: rithm: Why does the fluffy mare fear you?
fluffypony: rithm: when are you changing back to jcpham?
mircea_popescu: lol fluffymare
fluffypony: lol
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: How can we know you aren't the blond wife? Other than if that was the OH SHIT HUGE SPIDER, case certain people would be much more attentive to your equine needs
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: because I'm in a bunch of videos under this nom de plume?
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Like I am going to totally fire up the AIDS computer to follow every lead
fluffypony: heh
mircea_popescu: lol HE'S REALLY MPOE-PR!11
fluffypony: lol
BingoBoingo watches the latest episode of Ramsey's Hell's Kitchen because better than Robitussin
fluffypony: hanbot is going to be pissed!
BingoBoingo: Or relieved
BingoBoingo: Carrying those tits can't come with zero cost
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.00063865 = 7.3445 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1500 @ 0.00123243 = 1.8486 BTC [+] {7}
mircea_popescu: !up Flyer33
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38072 @ 0.00063865 = 24.3147 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14150 @ 0.00067317 = 9.5254 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22674 @ 0.00067687 = 15.3474 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1187 @ 0.00124299 = 1.4754 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1220 @ 0.0012 = 1.464 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21850 @ 0.0006703 = 14.6461 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24500 @ 0.00067687 = 16.5833 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11150 @ 0.00067831 = 7.5632 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3950 @ 0.00065548 = 2.5891 BTC [-]
nubbins`: hi
nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> but the principle remains. "small integers" are not in fact either small or integers but for our perspective. <<<< o.O
nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> they're just numbers, like any other numbers, exactly so. <<< o.0
nubbins`: <+BingoBoingo> The fuckers, part of his pre-trial release conditions was a prohibition on alcohol, 21st amendment yo! <<< i have a friend prohibited from imbibing for 4 years as part of the punishment for a drug offense
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Do you have the same romantic attachment to 7.65 that I do. It is bond caliber
nubbins`: i remain wholly emotionally unaffected by rationals
nubbins`: 153/20 is no exception!
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: cold water is not in fact cold nor water but from our perspective, &c
nubbins`: way to argue the null case ;p
BingoBoingo: I am in no fair way other than tripping balls right now. How do robitussin bottles not exist as single serving containgers
BingoBoingo: I mean I punched a spider the size of my head ad the mess was smaller than my knuckle
nubbins`: better put this on
nubbins`: http://patrickcanning.bandcamp.com/album/lets-celebrate-with-blood
assbot: Let's Celebrate With Blood | Patrick Canning ... ( http://bit.ly/1GgJOyG )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.00065067 = 6.832 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo kind of regrets promising to tutor his cousin's kids in comp sci
nubbins`: brutal deal
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: They already stole a fucking car
nubbins`: hied your weed
BingoBoingo: I don't have any. Have you not read the sad saga of Normal man???
BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2014/12/a-normal-man-sentenced-to-48-months-prison/
assbot: A Normal Man Sentenced To 48 Months Prison | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1IExQ3Q )
BingoBoingo: A followup is happening... once I start punching spider sized spiders in the garage during gicarettes and not cornish game hen sized spiders
BingoBoingo: Spiders always shrink on the knuckles
BingoBoingo: No matter what you dose your flu with
BingoBoingo: They always shrink there
mats: lol...
BingoBoingo: mats: How much do you know about CYP 450???
danielpbarron: heh, i've robotripped a few times
mats: 0
BingoBoingo: I don't get much choice in the matter thanks to my good friend CYP2d6*39*???
BingoBoingo: And yes, *??? is one or several allelles
BingoBoingo: I may need to sand my desk again after this Ill spell thanks to Mr. Fairbairn and Mr. Sykes
BingoBoingo is the boss in the worst video game level
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16050 @ 0.00063801 = 10.2401 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1000 @ 0.0012 = 1.2 BTC
mats: http://www.reddit.com/r/blog/comments/2owj55/welcome_drew_ryan_mike_daniel_joe_dave_david/cmrdn40
assbot: ryancarnated comments on Welcome Drew, Ryan, Mike, Daniel, Joe, Dave, & David!!! ... ( http://bit.ly/1IEEs29 )
mats: 'Javascript is the languge of heaven. It is the right choice for every programming task.'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00064571 = 1.2914 BTC [+] {2}
fluffypony: lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00065309 = 7.6085 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 13315 @ 0.0012 = 15.978 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00063709 = 8.4096 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21699 @ 0.00064564 = 14.0097 BTC [+]
RagnarDanneskjol: http://scholar.googleusercontent.com/scholar?q=cache:HGFNh8L1sZ4J:scholar.google.com/+bitcoin&hl=en&scisbd=1&as_sdt=0,5
assbot: Fair Information Sharing for Treasure Hunting ... ( http://bit.ly/1wCtUNQ )
Naphex: mats: reading that quote just gave me eye cancer
fluffypony: I'm sure he's being sarcastic
Naphex: still
Naphex: very damaging
Naphex: my brain still hurts :))
Naphex: fluffypony: i mean, for real Node & co is like Compatiblity HELL
Naphex: run now & never again
fluffypony: lol
Naphex: - please god don't make me recompile node
fluffypony: my favourite is Ubuntu changing the binary name
fluffypony: so now you have to symlink it because half the shit expects "node" and the other half expects "nodejs"
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: dat renaming
Naphex: not to talk about all the hellish packages in npm
Naphex: that are mixed with outdated c++ module
Naphex: and insane spachetty javascript
nubbins`: sharepoint renamed a bunch of shit between major revisions, but literally just swapped the names around and kept the api calls, function definitions, class names, etc the same
nubbins`: so a Site is now a Site Web and a Web is now a Site, but a Site Web is still Site mySiteWeb = new Site() and a Site is still Web mySite = new Web();
nubbins`: etc
nubbins`: imagine "using" a platform like that
Naphex: https://github.com/bitpay/insight-api/blob/master/lib/TransactionDb.js is this the real life?
assbot: insight-api/TransactionDb.js at master · bitpay/insight-api · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1wCxFD5 )
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.14 = 1.4 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00063709 = 1.2742 BTC [-]
mats: i don't think he's kidding based on his comment history
mats: http://www.reddit.com/r/blog/comments/2owj55/welcome_drew_ryan_mike_daniel_joe_dave_david/cmrdyb6
assbot: ryancarnated comments on Welcome Drew, Ryan, Mike, Daniel, Joe, Dave, & David!!! ... ( http://bit.ly/1AksCEv )
mats: 'A better way to do physics research is to build a lot of wealth outside of academia, and then fund myself as a scientist. That way I have complete freedom and I'm not facing the crazy competition for government funding. If I can pull it off, that's exactly what I'll do.'
mats: afaik the cost of serious physics research runs well into nine digits
Naphex: mats: "crowdfunding"
Naphex: thats where the plan is at
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00064564 = 3.4219 BTC [+]
Naphex: you need to read between the lines ^^
nubbins`: hey, he did say "a lot of wealth"
Naphex: plus its reddit
danielpbarron: !up ryanxcharles
ryanxcharles: thx!
danielpbarron: have you read the logs? you're name has come up quite a few times
ryanxcharles: i saw people talked about my love of javascript
ryanxcharles: i don't have time to respond at the moment but i'll come back later
danielpbarron: okie doke
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17800 @ 0.00064564 = 11.4924 BTC [+]
fluffypony: ryanxcharles: congrats on having your PR merged :)
ryanxcharles: ha thanks!
fluffypony: also this is a fun conversation, this dude is incorrigible: http://www.reddit.com/r/blog/comments/2owj55/welcome_drew_ryan_mike_daniel_joe_dave_david/cmrmjiq
assbot: ryancarnated comments on Welcome Drew, Ryan, Mike, Daniel, Joe, Dave, & David!!! ... ( http://bit.ly/1GhmHUH )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23400 @ 0.00063726 = 14.9119 BTC [-] {3}
danielpbarron: !up qntranet
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9900 @ 0.00064564 = 6.3918 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17111 @ 0.00065048 = 11.1304 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: the cost of serious physics research runs well into nine digits << it costs $maxint. and not for the reasons you may think:
asciilifeform: !s eotvos
assbot: 11 results for 'eotvos' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=eotvos
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16400 @ 0.00063635 = 10.4361 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: if you want actual physics done again, you probably have to wage ww3 first
asciilifeform: and exterminate the buggers
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22000 @ 0.00063574 = 13.9863 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: (if anyone is unclear on why 'i'll bring in a few $b and then do physics with it' is a nonstarter, they must read the eotvos threads.)
mats: int32 or int64?
mats: :(
nubbins`: mats ask mp, no difference
nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> they're just numbers, like any other numbers, exactly so.
nubbins`: ;D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41000 @ 0.00063699 = 26.1166 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15656 @ 0.0006332 = 9.9134 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 1082 @ 0.0012 = 1.2984 BTC {2}
xanthyos: hi
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 15 @ 0.14 = 2.1 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15730 @ 0.00063894 = 10.0505 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34920 @ 0.00064732 = 22.6044 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: !up ryanxcharles
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24806 @ 0.00065658 = 16.2871 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18431 @ 0.00063234 = 11.6547 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41150 @ 0.00063074 = 25.955 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78688 @ 0.00062352 = 49.0635 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 2030 @ 0.0012 = 2.436 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 3956 @ 0.0012 = 4.7472 BTC
mircea_popescu: nubbins` yeah, what part contradicts your tender youthful mind ? :D
nubbins`: what is mathematics if not perspective?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55565 @ 0.00064007 = 35.5655 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: ikr ?
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: way to argue the null case ;p << no but it was relevant in context.
nubbins`: well ya know. context is not relevant but from your perspective.
mircea_popescu: the dispute (in typical redditesque retardom) was whether 7 is "less likely" or "more likely" to stad for a nsa-diddled ecdsa curve than 5976928769872976597967965769845 or w/e
mircea_popescu: as if.
nubbins`: oh, well in that case, sure
nubbins`: if we do a fast phone number transform on that second one
mircea_popescu: dude check out the poor entropy in kbd mashing. who knew!
nubbins`: it's going to be a much more number
nubbins`: the other one won't even get you a dialtone
mircea_popescu: mats: 'Javascript is the languge of heaven. It is the right choice for every programming task.' << :D
mircea_popescu: this is so on point i swear.
mircea_popescu: "my cock is the right tool for everything! it can fuck things up, mess them up, screw up and everything else i normally do!"
mats: hey man, he's a cryptocurrency engineer
mircea_popescu: right, because so much crypto work is being done in the least apt language for the purpose.
mircea_popescu: i know whenever i have a large numbers problem i tend to fire up basic too!
mats: poor guy is gonna start here with a buncha criticism
mircea_popescu: yeah well, fortifies the soul of the chosen
mircea_popescu: burns the sould of the unworthy with the fire of a thousand hells + 1 matchstick.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: so now you have to symlink it because half the shit expects "node" and the other half expects "nodejs" <<< bwahahaha you guise, stahp.
mircea_popescu: you can't be fucken serious.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-12-2014#951292 that shit made my ears spin. there's actually people walking the earth that put up with this shit ? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 11-12-2014 14:39:08; nubbins`: so a Site is now a Site Web and a Web is now a Site, but a Site Web is still Site mySiteWeb = new Site() and a Site is still Web mySite = new Web();
mats: http://vim-adventures.com neat-o
assbot: VIM Adventures ... ( http://bit.ly/1x6wziC )
thestringpuller: i like how mircea_popescu is more cheerful during the holidays
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: for christmas I want my own harem!
mircea_popescu: oh it's a holiday ?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller trust me, it's like wanting your own tiger.
thestringpuller: That sounds like a pro rather than a con.
nubbins`: spoken like a man who never read life of pi ;p
thestringpuller: oh nubbins` btw I have moar werk fer ya
thestringpuller: you terk mah old printers jerb
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller exactly my point. it sounds like a pro until the 250kg beast licks you.
nubbins` scampers
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-12-2014#951303 << nah not actually. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 11-12-2014 15:04:03; mats: afaik the cost of serious physics research runs well into nine digits
mircea_popescu: you can coax time on expensive machinery for very little money. what costs is the bezzle support, you know ? most of grant money goes back to university to "pay for" grad students etc.
mircea_popescu: it's just a fictitious money shuffle.
asciilifeform: except when you can't get the time even for maxint.
asciilifeform: (see thread earlier)
mircea_popescu: in most times and places you actually do, in my experience.
thestringpuller: "pay for" grad students? given student loans...
mircea_popescu: i dunno how it goes in the us, but eu folks are more thna happy to oblige, and also because humans are generally lazy most machinery mostly sits idle
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller nono, pay the uni for their use.
mircea_popescu: it's dementedly complicated.
thestringpuller: oic
thestringpuller: a lot of grad students don't use scholarships, but enrollment programs in exchange for being slaves to businesses
thestringpuller: give business 5 good years, and they pay tuition
mircea_popescu: right.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile business sells them out like common hos.
mircea_popescu: for grant money the govt pays.
thestringpuller: much more clear.
mircea_popescu: best racket ever, if princeton sold shares in itself it'd obliterate the apple.
thestringpuller: hah princeton has so much money
thestringpuller: they pamper their students tho
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15800 @ 0.00064851 = 10.2465 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: i guess. define pamper ?
mircea_popescu: 6 pairs of perky tits chained to bedroom wall ?
thestringpuller: that and students who like to have mental breakdowns, they have shrinks to talk you out of your alcoholism
thestringpuller: or what not
thestringpuller: instead of pamper as the word
thestringpuller: maybe "babysit"? essentially treating the children as children, much babysitting
mircea_popescu: yeah well...
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: nope, not kidding, it's a thing in Debian as well as Ubuntu - https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/4772 https://www.digitalocean.com/community/questions/ubuntu-repo-nodejs-require-symlink-to-node-to-use-forever etc.
assbot: Support for "nodejs" executable name · Issue #4772 · joyent/node · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1x6CcNL )
assbot: Ubuntu repo "nodejs" require symlink to "node" to use Forever? | DigitalOcean ... ( http://bit.ly/1x6Cd4i )
mircea_popescu: bejesus.
mircea_popescu: why do people hate on php again ?
fluffypony: I don't disagree with their decision to call it "nodejs", I think the nodejs developers are the issue - htf do they call the binary "node" when clearly that's a word that may occur on the command-line, being common in computin' circles
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 356.44, Best ask: 357.43, Bid-ask spread: 0.99000, Last trade: 357.43, 24 hour volume: 15867.32305096, 24 hour low: 339.8, 24 hour high: 364.43, 24 hour vwap: 353.010435555
thestringpuller: php is ugly
thestringpuller: but it works
mircea_popescu: anyway, my heart goes out to the poor souls stuck working knee deep in this crud because of their idiotic employer.
mircea_popescu: no wonder they're so dissociated they claim to love it.
thestringpuller: i also don't like having to sanitize strings
thestringpuller: how kind of you mircea_popescu
thestringpuller: php is the only server side web tech i've found that integrates with gpg
thestringpuller: except maybe python running inside a tornado container (like coinbr)
fluffypony: django
fluffypony: :-P
mircea_popescu: perl
mircea_popescu: they all do don't they
thestringpuller: node.js gpg implementation is broken tho
thestringpuller: opengpg.js or whatever
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: was there a S.NSA statement for November 2014?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller nah, asciilifeform was late and then got sick so i gave him the benefit of the "once per year, report delayed for a month"
thestringpuller: so double report for December?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform don't throw out your draft letters! will have to append to them!
mircea_popescu: yea.
thestringpuller: will any news be announced between now and then?
mircea_popescu: i dunno.
thestringpuller: it's cool, just on edge of seat wanting to buy cardano :P
thestringpuller: shut_up_and_take_my_coin.jpg
mircea_popescu: hey, you're not the only one.
mircea_popescu: lettuce poke stan!
Namworld: Campaign is over by the way
Namworld: 619 website clicks
Namworld: Claimed by FB
mircea_popescu: Namworld can you send me a ss or something ? i wanna make an article of it.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: at least you are managing demand, reminds me of Tesla having a 15000 car wait list, while producing ~5000 cars a year. Won't have to worry about new customers off the blocks.
mats: http://america.aljazeera.com/watch.html
assbot: Video | Al Jazeera America ... ( http://bit.ly/1x6GEvS )
mats: i find myself agreeing with john brennan.
thestringpuller: !t m d.cbse
assbot: [MPEX:D.CBSE] 1D: 0.1195 / 0.1195 / 0.1195 (2 shares, 0.24 BTC), 7D: 0.1195 / 0.1195 / 0.1195 (12 shares, 1.43 BTC), 30D: 0.1195 / 0.1195 / 0.1195 (36 shares, 4.30 BTC)
mats: o wait, talking head is just a former station chief
adlai: none of the derps have been consummated yet, right?
kakobrekla: http://shrani.si/f/b/pl/2Rbf8Sth/link-removal.png
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1AlPD9U )
mircea_popescu: what's consummatred mean
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller how do you figure ?
adlai: contract finished, delisted, paid out if appropriate, etc
mircea_popescu: a no.
thestringpuller: mpex investors are valuing d.cbse market cap at 116k btc which is like 40mn bezzles
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla lol who is this ?
kakobrekla: replied with a link to http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-12-2014#951464 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 11-12-2014 19:42:38; kakobrekla: http://shrani.si/f/b/pl/2Rbf8Sth/link-removal.png
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31250 @ 0.00064886 = 20.2769 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller you accounting for their recent dillution ?
kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2014#569594 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 20-03-2014 04:33:07; mircea_popescu: http://www.corporatetravelsafety.com/catalog/high-security-portable-briefcase-safe-p-959.html
kakobrekla: your shit.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: what dilution? the additional vc?
mircea_popescu: well yes ?
kakobrekla: wha?
fluffypony: why would you remove the link
kakobrekla: who said i will?
fluffypony: no no I know
fluffypony: but I mean
fluffypony: I don't understand the point of their email
fluffypony: backlinks are good
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i was answering thestringpuller
kakobrekla: ah
mircea_popescu: fluffypony they wish to be important.
kakobrekla: as far as i know merica has invaded somalia and now we have freedam of spick here so he can fuck off
mircea_popescu: i guess the issue is, their page is now 404 and they don't want you linkign to a 404 page
kakobrekla: oh it is?
kakobrekla: i havent bothered to click
mircea_popescu: fuck them for having 404 pages in the first place, they should fix both their website and the broken process which resulted in this being a problem in the first place.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller "Should Coinbase make dilutive issuances after July 8, 2014, D.CBSE will be diluted proportionally."
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: yes from the contract, but what would invoke this clause?
mike_c: kakobrekla: someone told me recently I should hire slovenians to build a mobile app for me. do you know anyone in that industry in your neck of the woods?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller didnt they recently get moar investment ?
thestringpuller: that acts as dilution?
mike_c: they haven't raised since a year ago. rumor mill says they are out raising again now.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller well it means more shares which means more mkt cap right ?
Namworld: Ah, yeah, let me check
mircea_popescu: mike_c i thought they just had ? or was that bitpay.
mike_c: http://www.crunchbase.com/organization/coinbase << last was dec 2013
assbot: Coinbase | CrunchBase ... ( http://bit.ly/1AlUg3L )
mircea_popescu: aha.
kakobrekla: lol mike_c all you got is they should be slovenians and thats that?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller i dun see where the 1/10 comes from then ?
kakobrekla: you know we are actually in europe, not india
mircea_popescu: lies
mike_c: you're next to madagascar or something, right? (kidding..)
mircea_popescu: !up ansc
ansc: !up
mircea_popescu: ello ansc. who're you ?
ansc: hi. i am just a simple redditard. regular reader and fan of trilema though.
mike_c: what I heard was that there were a bunch of reliable firms in eastern europe, with ukraine and slovenia being mentioned explicitly. and ukraine seems risky choice these days.
ansc: i am here to ask a small favour
mircea_popescu: lol welcome then.
mircea_popescu: ask away.
mike_c: I thought you might know some people in your irl wot from the area.
ansc: mp you once wrote 'thee is only one thing that matters today: bitcoin' or something similar
ansc: which is, as everything you write, a very true if somewhat hyperbolic assessment of the present state of the union.
kakobrekla: mike_c ill ask see what comes up.
mircea_popescu: aha ?
mike_c: thx
Namworld: Report by age group, not sure if you wanted something else: http://i.imgur.com/fuh9f9v.png
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1vVTQ5f )
mircea_popescu: Namworld i have no idea how their stats look, so this is as good as anything.
mircea_popescu: tyvm for indulging me.
Namworld: There's an infinite number of stats and types of reports and what not.
ansc: could you pls elaborate a little on that thought?
mircea_popescu: okay.
mircea_popescu: take this discussion : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-12-2014#951164 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 11-12-2014 09:10:20; mircea_popescu: fluffypony all future coin, of any type, and more generally all future human industry of all types is indelibly linked to bitcoin
mircea_popescu: the subiacent point there, perhaps unapparent, is that every human construct fundamentally relies on truth to be recognisable as such.
mircea_popescu: things that are completely independent are by that very fact also completely hermetic. like the ravings of the insane.
mircea_popescu: now, bitcoin happens to have a priviledged relationship with truth
mircea_popescu: and for this reason, it will necessarily enjoy a priviledged relationship with all things of import.
mircea_popescu: except, of course, fiction in those parts where it's hermetic, and otherwise insanity.
ansc: that is all fine and such. anything that human beings not destined for freedom could relate to? (referring to one of your latest blog posts)
mircea_popescu: reference's lost on me lol, but hm. what do you mean relate ?
ansc: frankly, my fellow subhumans would not remotely be able to indulge in your previously published comments.
mircea_popescu: like, say, the price of oil bends your future irrespective of who you are. do you call this relating to oil ?
mircea_popescu: whether you know or not how exactly, gravity still works.
mircea_popescu: we don't really happen to know atm how the fuck.
ansc: mp you recently wrote about the two kinds of ppl: freedom attaining and not. on trilema.
mircea_popescu: link ?
ansc: struck me as a fundamental truthy
ansc: looked but didn't find. it was your thought anyway LOL
ansc: explains a lot about our 'democracy' and such
ansc: struck me as a genius insight
mircea_popescu: aha.
rithm: mircea_popescu such genius, super genius actually
mircea_popescu: super super.
rithm: that's gotta be mensa >9000
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13036 @ 0.00064584 = 8.4192 BTC [-] {2}
ansc: well flattering here and there.. that's not the point.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23264 @ 0.00062572 = 14.5568 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 11665 @ 0.0012 = 13.998 BTC
TomServo: !up ansc
TomServo: ansc: What is the point?
fluffypony: rithm: I herd it waz eyensteyen level
rithm: fluffypony talk dirty black holes to me
ansc: in our current system, one man one vote, how can we ever escape communism, other than by a collapse of the currency?
fluffypony: rithm: a black labrador wipes it's bum on a dirty patch of grass
rithm: ahhh wormholes
ansc: fluffypony: its
mircea_popescu: ansc communism is in teh head :D
fluffypony: ansc: it was a dirty sentence
rithm: i'd agree communism is a social construct and a matter or perception, sure
ansc: right
rithm: *of
ansc: i am so scared bc i don't see a peaceful exit from the current communist idiotic system
kakobrekla: >The Pirate Bay goes offline after police raid server room
kakobrekla: here we go again
mircea_popescu: the peaceful exists are the monopoly of they willing to travel.
mircea_popescu: i kinda enjoyed their taunting letters up until 2010 or w/e.
mircea_popescu: great mine canary that. you knew that once that ended, there shall be war.
ansc: ok but travel where to? how is argentina in that respect e.g.?
mircea_popescu: argentina is amusing. it has a very socialist-populist government that is very inept, and a large population hell bent on ignoring it
mircea_popescu: and everything that to you might pass for business sense.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29000 @ 0.00063823 = 18.5087 BTC [+]
ansc: but it shows that the common man is willing to ebdure idiocy on a vast timescale that exceeds our patience by orders of magnitude
rithm: i like boobies tho
mircea_popescu: what's "the common man" care about these things.
mircea_popescu: anyway, to get an idea of this crazy : every time you go into a shop of any kind, you have a 50-50 chance for the sales person to try to provide what you're asking for OR to try and convince you not to buy anything.
ansc: well if idiocy prevails, there is no hope for mankind. does the common man not shape history?
mircea_popescu: because they can't be arsed to stand up, get off the phone, think about it...
mircea_popescu: the common man shapes his boogers.
ansc: haha ok righto
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.00062252 = 4.4199 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: ;;isup thepiratebay.cr
gribble: thepiratebay.cr is up
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: wat
kakobrekla: nfi
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 907 @ 0.0012 = 1.0884 BTC
kakobrekla: i guess im ignorant like that.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8536 @ 0.00062252 = 5.3138 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: to try and convince you not to buy anything << why?!
mircea_popescu: !scoop
mircea_popescu: .scoop
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92900 @ 0.00061581 = 57.2087 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: .scoop trilema.com
mircea_popescu: hm how did that go.
TomServo: scoopbot -fetch
TomServo: i think?
mircea_popescu: scoopbot -fetch trilema.com
TomServo: sans trilema.com, or pm -fetch
mircea_popescu: scoopbot -fetch
TomServo shrugs.
TomServo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-12-2014#949159 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 09-12-2014 04:47:20; PeterL: now you should be able to say: scoopbot -fetch and he will get the scoop
mircea_popescu: scam!
mircea_popescu: http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-30431988
assbot: BBC News - Man charged in London 'slavery' inquiry ... ( http://bit.ly/1whn66n )
scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/hello-everyone-im-facebook-martin-and-this-is-the-racquetball-trick/
adlai: holy fuck. bitfinex are not just derpier than imagined, they're derpier than it is possible to imagine
kakobrekla: what now?
adlai: their API fails to verify messages 240 characters and longer
kakobrekla: maybe you are talking to twitter?
adlai: maybe i need to throw their endpoint servers through a plate glass window
kakobrekla: are you trying to hook up scalpl to that ?
adlai: scalpl already talks to bitfinex, but i hadn't tried placing hidden orders before
adlai: but "\"is_hidden\":true," pushes the length of SOME messages over 240 characters
adlai: so some orders got placed. some didn't. teeth were gnashed.
adlai thinks back to when he first connected scalpl to bitfinex, and found that "signature = HMAC-SHA384(payload, api-secret) as hexadecimal" apparently also means to zero pad it to 96 bytes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15750 @ 0.00063885 = 10.0619 BTC [+] {2}
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: Amazon item Q&A that you'll enjoy - http://i.imgur.com/wTBNy5F.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1x79EDL )
mircea_popescu: lol
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: (article) 'But this is no sort of economic activity, it's just an elaborate waste, of everything. The participants could all be dead for all it'd matter to anyone...' << obligatory >> http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2011/07/dead-souls.html
mircea_popescu: something like that yea
danielpbarron: !up ryanxcharles
mircea_popescu: !isup namecheap.com/
mircea_popescu: ;;isup namecheap.com
gribble: namecheap.com is up
mircea_popescu: like hell it is.
kakobrekla: up here
mircea_popescu: hm.
mircea_popescu: ?
kakobrekla: yup
mircea_popescu: nm finally.
ryanxcharles: hey friends, just a comment re: javascript... personally, i think all variables should be global, and all numbers should be floating points
mircea_popescu: "personally" ?
ryanxcharles: this is why javascript is the best programming language for any task
kakobrekla: asciilifeform someone is writing graffiti on ba walls
mircea_popescu: ;;isup https://manage.www.namecheap.com/myaccount/index.asp
assbot: Login Signup ... ( http://bit.ly/1yERHHY )
gribble: https://manage.www.namecheap.com/myaccount/index.asp is up
mircea_popescu: not here. and who the fuck came up with that url scheme i wish to know.
BingoBoingo: <ryanxcharles> hey friends, just a comment re: javascript... personally, i think all variables should be global, and all numbers should be floating points << Am I still tripping?
mircea_popescu: "and all coders should be tripping"
mats: we are all tripping
Naphex: is it just tasks?
Naphex: or software?
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: wai wat ?
mats: guy doesn't read assbot PMs apparently
kakobrekla: ah nvm
adlai: is it software or are we dancer
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22242 @ 0.00061519 = 13.6831 BTC [-]
mats: http://www.nationaljournal.com/tech/congress-quietly-bolsters-nsa-spying-in-intelligence-bill-20141211
assbot: Congress Quietly Bolsters NSA Spying in Intelligence Bill - NationalJournal.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1GqPLHv )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33400 @ 0.00060267 = 20.1292 BTC [-] {3}
mats: nice. doesn't take a fed to own me anymore.
asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2014/12/cia-torture-nyms.htm
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1wEWZbw )
asciilifeform: ^ mega-lol
asciilifeform: implicit message: 'there were only a few torturers! and they've retired! go back to sleep'
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33250 @ 0.00061498 = 20.4481 BTC [+] {2}
mats: http://docs.house.gov/billsthisweek/20141208/FY%202015%20IAA.PDF >> "The Secretary of State shall ensure that ... every supervisory position at a United States diplomatic facility in the Russian Federation shall be occupied by a citizen of the United States'
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1wEYXsw )
mats: 'Each United States diplomatic facility that [is in] ... the Russian Federation, or any country that is a former member of the Soviet Union shall be constructed to include a Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility.'
mats scratches head
asciilifeform: afaik this is ancient statute
mats: i'm wondering why this is even in the bill.
mats: these are things that should be done already.
asciilifeform: mega-lulz in section 312.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-08-2014#816569 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 30-08-2014 21:57:45; mircea_popescu: "mr devektorovskyi, what are we to do then ?"
mats: 'the President should establish and maintain an intelligence and law enforcement cooperation scorecard with metrics designed to measure the number of instances that intelligence and law enforcement agencies in the United States require assistance from intelligence and law enforcement agencies in Ukraine'
mats: write summaries for us, we can't be bothered to read all these danged reports you know!
asciilifeform: 'describe the actions the United States is taking to support implementation of the recommendations of the United Nations Commission of Inquiry on Human Rights in the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, including the eventual establishment of a tribunal to hold individuals accountable for abuses' << sovereignty, what's that
asciilifeform: only usa - sovereign
asciilifeform: derpschland uber alles!
asciilifeform: 'a report on the threat posed by man-made electromagnetic pulse weapons to United States interests through 2025, including threats from foreign countries...' >> easy:
asciilifeform: let them hire a translator:
asciilifeform: http://pirochem.net/index.php?id1=3&category=pirophysics&author=prishepenko-ab&book=2008
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1wF3knl )
asciilifeform: ^ text descibes not only what is physically-possible on the subject, but the author's struggles to convince management that it is entirely infeasible to set up a nuke-style 'emp' using anything other than a nuke