assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37600 @ 0.00093454 = 35.1387 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 125 @ 0.095 = 11.875 BTC [+]
gribble: Current Blocks: 302154 | Current Difficulty: 8.8534163091278E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 302399 | Next Difficulty In: 245 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 10 hours, 35 minutes, and 17 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 10460812729.2 | Estimated Percent Change: 18.15566
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.095 = 0.95 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 74 @ 0.00298079 = 0.2206 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 501 @ 0.00282231 = 1.414 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 100 @ 0.03923225 = 3.9232 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.0395002 = 0.395 BTC [+] {2}
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 538.01, Best ask: 539.69, Bid-ask spread: 1.68000, Last trade: 538.01, 24 hour volume: 18465.13643240, 24 hour low: 492.65, 24 hour high: 540.44, 24 hour vwap: 515.437052922
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47600 @ 0.00093916 = 44.704 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.034 = 0.136 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0226011 = 0.113 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0226011 = 0.113 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.10808189 = 0.2162 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 29 @ 0.00457849 = 0.1328 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.033132 = 0.1657 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31600 @ 0.00093392 = 29.5119 BTC [-] {2}
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 533.51, Best ask: 533.96, Bid-ask spread: 0.45000, Last trade: 533.5, 24 hour volume: 19689.41771622, 24 hour low: 492.65, 24 hour high: 541.89, 24 hour vwap: 516.938571219
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31800 @ 0.00093255 = 29.6551 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17708 @ 0.00093062 = 16.4794 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: benkay: If God wanted to matter in bitcoin he wouldn't have fucked around finishing the universe's loose ends in perl
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5092 @ 0.0009302 = 4.7366 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30450 @ 0.00093059 = 28.3365 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Bitcoin miner startup HashFast could be forced to liquidate | Ars Technica
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0229999 = 0.115 BTC [+]
benkay: having corporeal assets subjects one to these problems yes
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 528.27, Best ask: 529.19, Bid-ask spread: 0.92000, Last trade: 529.19, 24 hour volume: 20724.10236135, 24 hour low: 492.65, 24 hour high: 541.89, 24 hour vwap: 517.913377777
assbot: Banned From The U.S.A.? Mos Def Denied Entry In U.S. | Hot 107.9
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31500 @ 0.00093449 = 29.4364 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 25 @ 0.095 = 2.375 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25800 @ 0.00093694 = 24.1731 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 17 @ 0.095 = 1.615 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.095 = 0.57 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25050 @ 0.00093694 = 23.4703 BTC [+]
benkay: ;;gettrust assbot realz
benkay: so who are you, realz ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.095 = 0.76 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 200 @ 0.00118113 = 0.2362 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 18 @ 0.095 = 1.71 BTC [+]
moiety: how is life in the land of benkay?
benkay: i've booked out this weekend for some serious haxx
benkay: baby doll just made a smoked salmon salad
benkay: more impressively, baby doll has started deploying my negotiation tactics. landed us a 20% discount on the fish.
benkay: and in the life of the mewity? many calls?
moiety: things are good here, still waiting on wird about the flat, lines been quite quiet. Had more IMs than calls. was quiet yesterday
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.0404999 = 0.1215 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.095 = 0.19 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: next youre gonna tell me that bitcoinpete isnt stoned-mp-blog-mode
moiety: flying won't have helped (recycled air)
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves, have a zinc pill before oyu leave next time
assbot: Yok Byle Bir Sevimlilik :) - YouTube
benkay: <ThickAsThieves> next youre gonna tell me that bitcoinpete isnt stoned-mp-blog-mode // kik
benkay: ;;later tell bitcoinpete you hear that? everyone knows you're a pothead...
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 524.2, Best ask: 524.96, Bid-ask spread: 0.76000, Last trade: 524.96, 24 hour volume: 21336.61049935, 24 hour low: 492.65, 24 hour high: 541.89, 24 hour vwap: 519.145438139
benkay: mircea_popescu: are y'all floating yet?
mircea_popescu: i gotta hand it to the mpex spook ux department : this setup i got here is eminently usable.
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benkay: what comprises an eminently usable setup?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14550 @ 0.00093779 = 13.6448 BTC [+] {2}
moiety: i would like to hear a call between manul and dog. "yes, this is dog" "fuck you dog" "kden, bai manul" "fuck you dog"
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benkay: so hey we're doing open outcry at the next portland bitcoin get-together
benkay: i figure right at the beginning of a bull market is a good time to do these things again
mircea_popescu: benkay, maybe. tho how do oyu know it's a bull market in the first place ?
moiety: that would just be a regular manul, mine would be more polite, i would bribe it with catnip
mircea_popescu: so my response to stan and BingoBoingo on trilema is... in moderaiton :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30701 @ 0.00093842 = 28.8104 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.095 = 0.38 BTC [+]
benkay: worst case scenario, though, i get some cheap coins from the local market.
moiety: benkay, did you go suffer the dogecoin meet up thing?
benkay: more interesting things intervened.
moiety: like sleeping or dinner or painting a fence, then watching it dry?
benkay: gosh there was so much
benkay: drained the testes a few times, oversaw the wallpapering of lady v's office, wrestled with the dog...
mircea_popescu: chetty: nothing wrong with that, but I always thought bitcoin was a she << i think that's the traditional view. Bitcoinia!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12200 @ 0.00093917 = 11.4579 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.4987999 BTC [+]
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 200 Ask: 300 Last Price: 330 24h-Vol: 83k High: 330 Low: 272 VWAP: 278
benkay: <benkay> dogecoin [04:38]
benkay: <zrobo> cryptsy.com: 1 dogecoin = 80 satoshis. coindesk price $0.0004. 24 hr volume: 1368 megadoge
benkay: 103 earlier this week.
mircea_popescu: <danielpbarron> i wish the miners would get in the WoT and sell directly to individuals like me with cash to send in the mail // some do << like most.
moiety: i think perhaps its had its day
mircea_popescu: they have these "going out of business, everything must go" shops
moiety: I haven't. we have those shops here too. there was one in my home town that did actually close and i think the town was in shock for about a week
mircea_popescu: had a discussion with gmaxwell a few days ago about ring signatures, and he agrees that it could be done in a kludgy way in BTC, but it's an unlikely thing to happen, so Monero will possibly carve out a nice niche among the darknet markets crowd << that's exactly right, it could perhaps be implemented but if it is it'll be a private extension.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.095 = 0.285 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller:It's funny how it's far more productive to do business here than in #bitcoin-otc << it used to be funny, now it'd be shocking if it wasn't :p
assbot: $10K shovels held together with wires, hope, desperation - Buttcoin - The P2P crypto-currency for butts. - Buttcoin - It's Bitcoins with Butts! - Buttcoin.org
mircea_popescu: pankkake: yeah, it is both a stupid intention, and an impossible goal asciilifeform Apocalyptic a dumbass core dev team is like a blessing of suck for a coin. not necessarily a good reason to discard the coin, definitely not a good reason to invest in it.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 105 @ 0.095 = 9.975 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: devteams are the most irrelevant asset of any coin. that's why atc is doing so well, and all the bs coins with 100x to 10kx more dev time spent on them are going nowhere
assbot: Bitcoin Mining Rigs 3: Mine Hard With a Vengeance - Buttcoin - The P2P crypto-currency for butts. - Buttcoin - It's Bitcoins with Butts! - Buttcoin.org
mircea_popescu: and renting instead of buying makes attacks cheaper <<< you had it earlier tho. if it's mined then more gear will mine more ; similarly, if it can be bought it can be rented. fwiw, fee simple is rent anyway. what bought.
moiety: noobs seem to rate success on howmany tshirts are produced with x alt on them
ThickAsThieves: i'd wear an altcoin tshirt, but i dunno if i could handle wearing a bitcoin one
moiety: you cant ever really see mine as they are under 40 cardigans in scotland.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: it could be near-death << such nonsense. he holds what, at most 9% of supply ? who the shit cares 9% of supply is sold off.
mircea_popescu: major stakes are regularly sold and bought in any equity, russia just sold it's satoshi stash of T bills and the same idiotic press isn't harping about how the T is dead
ThickAsThieves: that's kinda the question, it's not about the specifics
mircea_popescu: most likely scenario, you'd just have a "myserious belgian buyer" soaking up 300% of Belgium's GDP each month and that'll be that
mircea_popescu: cluelessweek and all the other derps can move on to wonder about "the real identity" of the mystery buyer
mircea_popescu: as if there is more reality to an identity than wot and keys. but anyway.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: i venture to guess that it is because the temptation to 'go retarded' (e.g. premine, insert 'egalitarian' crapola like demurrage, reward phriends, etc.) is overwhelming. << cattle lacks motivators outside of grass.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, they don't know wtf they're talking about
mircea_popescu: it's a case of "definitely reality is like our experience, because totally civilisaiton looks like it could have been built by people sitting in starbucks"
mircea_popescu: experience shows the most successvful (as measured by gross intake, of course) scams are never the intellectually respectable ones.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: i want to make sure i'm not inventing ideas someone else has already << the problem here is that you're looking at reading by the bookshelf, not by the book. there's an immense load and no directly obvious way to even systematize it. hayek tho may be a good start if you've not read him fully.
mircea_popescu: also ask princessnell for tutoring, she's actually competent in this field.
mircea_popescu: alternatively the polish guy, wywliam or what was it. dba numeristrade
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, was transparently obvious what it was doing to anyone with two neurons to rub together neh ?
assbot: DEFCON 20: The Art Of The Con - YouTube
mircea_popescu: jurov: extract more absolute observations << a fool's errand << quite true, but also all of humanities is exactly this fool's errand. human condition, what.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9650 @ 0.00093676 = 9.0397 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: penguirker is bog-slow << it's actually broken pankkake. it sometimes publishes 2nd article in list when the 1st shows in rss.
nubbins`: dat mating success amongst visual artists
nubbins`: nah, i can barely take care of myself
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: I also take issue with "perfect" << now we're getting to the knickers of it :D
moiety: oh the talk is by Paul Wilson, epic
moiety: i would love to go to one of these defcons asciilifeform, the talks are really good
mircea_popescu: princessnell: i think it's bizarre to call it non-teleological personally << this opens up a large debate as to whether life has purpose. i happen to hold that it doesnt, which informs the choice of vocabulary. it'll have to be translated (apolitic ?) to avoid linking that dependency in there.
mircea_popescu: moiety, ask him to take you next they do something in his area :D
moiety: I've only ever seen good ones but granted they have been linked by someone who has seen them before me
mircea_popescu: princessnell: economies are aggregations of human actions << and in that they become unhuman. basically a major point of that article is that this desperate clutching at straws, people trying to retain their people-relevance in economics is a little lulzy. there's no room for politics in economy.
benkay: <asciilifeform> whotehfuckcares about yet another pwnhole in turdroid // well yeah - it's not an educational thing for the attendees, it's a promotional thing for the speakers.
mircea_popescu: nor is there room for human purpose, or human goals. kinda the point of bitcoin, after all. kinda why all the "equalitarian" coins and mental devices, and all the preoccupation with accessibility or w/e are so funny.
benkay: or, as I said to a client this week "bitcoin doesn't have a purpose or an intent or a role. it simply is, and i am doing my damndest to get in front of where the world will be as a result in twenty years."
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00093675 = 9.4612 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27000 @ 0.00093607 = 25.2739 BTC [-]
moiety: nubbins`: re defon, maybe so but regardless, i've still learned a fair bit fromthe videos i've seen. also nice pics!
moiety: see you later mircea_popescu :]
moiety: but im not technical so anything is going to teach me more than i already know
nubbins`: you may be confusing me with someone else :(
moiety: benkay: re defon, maybe so but regardless, i've still learned a fair bit from the videos i've seen.*
benkay: there's a really steep and long learning curve in the combudder industry, moiety.
benkay: non-experts have piles to learn from the defcon material.
benkay: well you see it's not a computer
xmj: good morning. benkay told me to come here on the grounds that I'll supposedly enjoy the conversations.
benkay: the way things work here is that individuals in assbot's l2 trust circle can !up themselves
benkay: well, anyone with trust
benkay: anyone with trust can symmetrically !down anyone
benkay: moiety is our darling secretary
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25450 @ 0.00093932 = 23.9057 BTC [+] {2}
moiety: if you need anything, just give me a shout
xmj: Let me introduce myself. I do interesting things with FreeBSD, UNIX, Django, python and numpy.
moiety: what kind of interesting things xmj?
benkay: it's going to be a boring month, xmj - the charismatic sociopath at the center of -assets just got on a boat to move himself across the world.
xmj: moiety: being a member of the Ports committers team, for one
benkay: anyways, xmj ping me when you register with gribble and get in the web of trust
gribble: Nick 'xmj', with hostmask 'xmj!~xmj@freebsd/developer/xmj', is not identified.
xmj: give me a howto for gribble and I will.
gribble: The bot responds when you start a line with the ! character. A good starting point for exploring the bot is the !facts command. You can also visit the bot's website for a list of help topics and documentation:
http://gribble.sourceforge.net/ gribble: 8ball, ?, about, action, add, alert, alias, allvwap, announce, announce add, announce list, announce remove, any, aol, apply, apropos, asks, at, auth, author, avgprc, balance, ban add, ban list, ban remove, baratio, base, bashorg, bc,24hprc, bc,bear, bc,bitpenny, bc,blocks, bc,btcguild, bc,bull, bc,calc, bc,convert, bc,deepbit, bc,eligius, bc,fx, bc,gen, bc,help, bc,intersango, bc,interval, (10 more messages)
assbot: first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki]
gribble: 8ball, ?, about, action, add, alert, alias, allvwap, announce, announce add, announce list, announce remove, any, aol, apply, apropos, asks, at, auth, author, avgprc, balance, ban add, ban list, ban remove, baratio, base, bashorg, bc,24hprc, bc,bear, bc,bitpenny, bc,blocks, bc,btcguild, bc,bull, bc,calc, bc,convert, bc,deepbit, bc,eligius, bc,fx, bc,gen, bc,help, bc,intersango, bc,interval, (10 more messages)
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benkay: start with ;;eregister
xmj: Do I register myself here in public?
benkay: however one spells that.
benkay: embarrassing. thanks moiety
gribble: Nick 'xmj', with hostmask 'xmj!~xmj@freebsd/developer/xmj', is identified as user 'xmj', with GPG key id FC9E29371B1B0D0B, key fingerprint 224ED70AA3AE3EF123B0CA88FC9E29371B1B0D0B, and bitcoin address None
benkay: ;;rate xmj 1 red in the face
gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.
benkay: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:11a38dea8ad9370f28a7b7be164ec6a838f6a786b676f0ddc52e5b82
gribble: You are now authenticated for user benkay with key 2AFA1A9FD2D031DA
benkay: ;;rate xmj 1 red in the face
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user xmj has been recorded.
xmj: benkay: pfff, i haven't been in the sun that much yesterday. only 4h on the beach I posted above
xmj: How do I want to tell gribble that I know and trust benkay and pankkake ?
benkay: that is probably the record registration and assbot integration.
benkay: <benkay> ;;rate xmj 1 red in the face
benkay: rating is from -10 to 10
xmj: ;;rate pankakke 3 has mutual interests
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
gribble: Nick 'pankkake', with hostmask 'pankkake!~anus@inara.p.engu.in', is identified as user 'pankkake', with GPG key id 651BB507D9889CC0, key fingerprint E7EA9D5CEC708D4D1EF6C99E651BB507D9889CC0, and bitcoin address None
xmj: ;;rate benkay 3 has mutual interests
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 3 for user benkay has been recorded.
benkay: you can even use gribble to explore the trustdb to some extent
benkay: ;;gettrust kakobrekla magicaltux
benkay: lol usagi's rating of magicaltux is still at 1
benkay: anyways i'm off for the night.
benkay: pets need petting etc.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.4988 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.095 = 0.95 BTC [+]
xmj: moiety: what kind of interesting things do you do in your life?
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
moiety: night benkay :] hugs for pooch
benkay: that animal is spoiled already.
benkay: and what about the other pet, eh? going to leave her out in the cold?
moiety: xmj: i landed up in here and learn as much as possible. Just started this reception number :]
moiety: benkay: always moar hugs!! and no... hug dem both
xmj: moiety: no, I mean, what do you do for fun and profit?
xmj: emphasis on the fun part
moiety: just as well because i don't do anything for profit lol as for fun, i gather as much info on manuls as possible and learn things that I can use in future... oh and I bake....along with the usual films, music, bla bla
xmj: you're evading the essentials!
xmj: info on manuals sounds cool, what stuff do you read?
xmj: I thought manuls were a typo. My bad.
nubbins`: there's nothing incredible about being boring :(
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 17 @ 0.095 = 1.615 BTC [+]
xmj: being boring is okay, it's a lifestyle
moiety: nubbins`: its my level of boring that's incredible
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39250 @ 0.00093531 = 36.7109 BTC [-] {3}
moiety: I'm venturing out into life though. I want to do things with LEDs
moiety: the world needs more LEDs
nubbins`: so we printed like 250 download cards for this band last year
nubbins`: all silkscreened, made up to look like old o-pee-chee style trading cards
nubbins`: i came across a test scrap today and realized that i spelled the word "redeem" wrong on every single one
moiety: well, no one reported it
nubbins`: they say -- in all caps -- "TO REDEEDM YOUR CODE..."
nubbins`: i don't think anyone else noticed :D
moiety: xmj: what do you do for fun then?
moiety: nubbins`: what kind of band? perhaps they weren't alert to take it in
xmj: moiety: I work in an IT company, which is a great source of enjoyment
xmj: the company has offices in this country's summer capital, which I'm visiting Thu/Fri(today)/Sat.
xmj: I also do consulting, which is an even bigger source of enjoyment as you get paid to learn new things real quick.
xmj: Being paid to learn... can't find things much better than that, eh?
moiety: if you enjoy it, you clearly aren't in the support side lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50800 @ 0.00093874 = 47.688 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 206 @ 0.000781 = 0.1609 BTC [-] {3}
moiety: xmj: is that a picture you took on imgur linked above? 4h on the beach in one day isn't a bad business trip at all
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.095 = 0.19 BTC [+]
nubbins`: oh hey, the price of bitcoin is a little bit higher than the last time i checked it
xmj: moiety: I agree. It's a lifestyle.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6829 @ 0.0009344 = 6.381 BTC [-]
moiety: are you there all summer xmj?
moiety: I have been on 0 business trips. I used to work in a hospital lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 18 @ 0.00703513 = 0.1266 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22000 @ 0.00092926 = 20.4437 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.095 = 0.76 BTC [+]
xmj: moiety: until tomorrow
xmj: I'm doing a short two-nights hackation.
moiety: o i c, what does a hackation entail?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15900 @ 0.00092917 = 14.7738 BTC [-] {2}
xmj: hacking and beach, mostly
assbot: Pigeon-feeders in Vienna to be fined 36 as part of city's crackdown on bird population - Europe - World - The Independent
moiety: feeding pigeons is less expensive than swearing though
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18571 @ 0.00093141 = 17.2972 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 60 @ 0.00282002 = 0.1692 BTC [-]
pankkake: ;;later tell mircea_popescu your feed doesn't seem to update in real time, blogs.b-a often lags behind. otherwise the irker script has a really simple algorithm, it publishes any unseen URL, so I'd be surprised there's a bug there
fluffypony: pankkake: maybe the URL for that post changed
pankkake: in that case it would be published again
xmj: moiety: Think of "Hackation" as the same thing as "Hackathon" with one letter changed.
moiety: np dvsdude, who might you be?
moiety: isn't bitcoin always exciting?
xmj: moiety: it's a PR gag. Hackathon is a collusion of Hack and Marathon. Hackation, with one letter changed, of Hack and Vacation.
xmj: moiety: much better associations "feel good" with the latter!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 494 @ 0.095 = 46.93 BTC [+]
moiety: Vacathon sounds like it would be longer
xmj: no "Hack" in it. But if you like to run Marathons while on vacation, that's fine by me.
fluffypony: but they're basically just drinking a lot of Red Bull and writing some shitty PoC code
xmj: You suck at branding
xmj: fluffypony: Hackathon involves what you say, exactly, which is just terrible. I don't even like nor am productive with Red Bull.
xmj: Vacation has all the fun of being on a holiday enjoying life.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.4851 BTC [-]
moiety: remember: red bull kills!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 48 @ 0.03950002 = 1.896 BTC [-] {2}
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 529.32, Best ask: 531.59, Bid-ask spread: 2.27000, Last trade: 529.32, 24 hour volume: 18276.68329301, 24 hour low: 502.0, 24 hour high: 541.89, 24 hour vwap: 520.148735702
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51890 @ 0.00093739 = 48.6412 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26669 @ 0.00093248 = 24.8683 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24831 @ 0.00092943 = 23.0787 BTC [-]
assbot: Roots/CreationCeremony - CAcert Wiki
fluffypony: moiety:noobs seem to rate success on howmany tshirts are produced with x alt on them <- so when are ManulCoin shirts coming?
moiety: I would wear a manulcoin tshirt!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.095 = 0.19 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 31 @ 0.095 = 2.945 BTC [+]
moiety: they should be embroidered though, scratch resistant
moiety: punkman: well... that's... comprehensive
punkman: moiety: not much mention of using machines unsullied by the internet, just "turn off the wifi"
assbot: Animals in the wild found to use running wheel if given the choice (w/ Video)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.095 = 0.855 BTC [+]
punkman: well I've never seen a frog in a running wheel
moiety: punkman: maybe they are assuming everyone follows all the points in 2 and don't reiterate?
fluffypony: asciilifeform:re: monero et al:
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/CryptoNight <- the wiki says that, the whitepaper says otherwise. even the site says "Our algorithm requires about 2 Mb per instance" - whoever edited the wiki is clearly a turd.
punkman: fluffypony: I think "Egalitarian proof of work" is kinda lulzy
moiety: re the slug in the wheel.. i don't believe this is a viable test.
punkman: fluffypony: so why do you like this Monero thing? wouldn't you rather have cash tokens based on bitcoin?
fluffypony: although I do get what they were trying to achieve - lower the gap between CPU mining and the GPU/ASIC crowd so that the jump from one to the other isn't as hardcore
fluffypony: punkman: I like the ring signatures + stealth address combo
fluffypony: it's just the first cryptocurrency besides BTC that I've seen in a while that has had anything vaguely interesting
xmj: pankkake: weren't you a napper?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.47009444 = 2.3505 BTC [-] {4}
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 530.0, Best ask: 530.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.99000, Last trade: 530.99, 24 hour volume: 17970.72917765, 24 hour low: 502.0, 24 hour high: 541.89, 24 hour vwap: 520.327990498
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62200 @ 0.00094012 = 58.4755 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: Selfie, hashtag and troll are all officially French, according to new dictionary - Telegraph
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14135 @ 0.00094081 = 13.2983 BTC [+]
dub: always blame the french
fluffypony: except when you're blaming the Germans
fluffypony: how come there aren't more Germans in -assets ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34537 @ 0.00093594 = 32.3246 BTC [-] {2}
xmj: and Always Blame The French is a heuristic I much agree with
moiety: that article is really blaming english users
moiety: someone named their child hastag because they loved tweeter somuch, but ironically announced it on fb [before fb used hashtags]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00453249 = 0.4532 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.02265926 = 0.1133 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0330003 = 0.165 BTC [-]
assbot: Financial Cryptography: No Accounting Skills? No Moral Reckoning
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28100 @ 0.0009316 = 26.178 BTC [-] {3}
moiety: o lol how did i miss that, sorry pankkake
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18356 @ 0.00092968 = 17.0652 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53694 @ 0.00092832 = 49.8452 BTC [-] {2}
pankkake: punkman: this whole blog is very interesting
punkman: pankkake: add it to the feed
pankkake: I was wondering about blogs of non-asseters actually
pankkake: perhaps each member should be able to suggest one other blog
pankkake: Security Top Tips 1. Buy a Mac
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0330003 = 0.165 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.48329535 = 4.3497 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.49879997 = 5.9856 BTC [+] {3}
kakobrekla: how not to die from radiation? stab yourself in the heart.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 20 @ 0.0395 = 0.79 BTC [-]
fluffypony: how to become rich? first, have several million Dollars.
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 479 @ 0.00258054 = 1.2361 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 150 @ 0.088 = 13.2 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0975 = 0.975 BTC [+]
moiety: i have an appointment, i have to step out for half hour or so, bbs
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 6 @ 0.03900035 = 0.234 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.088 = 0.176 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.038 = 0.114 BTC [-]
punkman: "Church leaders claim bearded drag queen Eurovision winner Conchita Wurst caused the Balkan floods because God 'doesn't want people to join the wild side'"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.08799999 = 0.528 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.088 = 0.176 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18991 @ 0.00092912 = 17.6449 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19903 @ 0.0009349 = 18.6073 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.088 = 1.232 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24347 @ 0.0009349 = 22.762 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.038 = 0.38 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 405 @ 0.00080988 = 0.328 BTC [+] {4}
moiety: I'm back. well, it has been busy :P
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 82 @ 0.09088873 = 7.4529 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 266 @ 0.09655335 = 25.6832 BTC [+] {14}
kakobrekla: >Quote from: <the_most_trusted_person_in_bitcoin> on May 22, 2014, 05:51:29 AM : If anyone is able to lend the 4 BTC needed to pay for this, please let me know.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.095 = 0.95 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 34 @ 0.0975 = 3.315 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 64 @ 0.09441467 = 6.0425 BTC [-] {5}
moiety: lol is that really their username kakobrekla
assbot: Nasty Minutes - Pastebin.com
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.0958 = 1.1496 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14500 @ 0.00093895 = 13.6148 BTC [+]
punkman: kakobrekla: 4btc to pay for what
assbot: [NastyFans.org] NASTY MINING | POOL | COINS
assbot: Paymium - Lundi 23 juin 2014, Bitcoin-Central devient Paymium
pankkake: Bitcoin-Central renamed to Paymium
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0334999 = 0.1675 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 30 @ 0.0975 = 2.925 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44150 @ 0.00093726 = 41.38 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 23 @ 0.00570009 = 0.1311 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: In 30 days, Bitcoin-Central will change its name to Paymium | Paymium
atcbot: %t | %ticker | %book | %diff | %tx <tx_id> | %bal <address> | %mined | %block <block_height> | %lb | %tslb | %cm | %ptp | %help | %h
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 455357.13 Est. Next Diff: 157710.11 in 499 blocks (#32256) Est. % Change: -65.37
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.47101123 = 2.8261 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11890 @ 0.00093559 = 11.1242 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4660 @ 0.00093168 = 4.3416 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0975 = 0.2925 BTC [+]
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 538.51, vol: 14951.39363973 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 530.0, vol: 10741.78127 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 538.2, vol: 13932.8880748 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 527.63, vol: 41.80578989 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 536.506467, vol: 5053.64940000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 536.30952, vol: 9.16316527 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 537.68987, vol: 125.7582886 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.46850008 = 2.3425 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.46578583 BTC [-]
assbot: Obama Pulled a Bit of a Nixon Yesterday
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19750 @ 0.00093157 = 18.3985 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Nixon In the Jungle « Investigative Notes
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.093 = 0.837 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 560 @ 0.04037124 = 22.6079 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47050 @ 0.00093465 = 43.9753 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31739 @ 0.00093485 = 29.6712 BTC [+]
assbot: 37.6 BTC reward for information that leads to the arrest of the hacker that is trying to hack all my stuff at the moment. details to come!
BingoBoingo: ^ A distinct downside to Jesus'ing - it makes you a target for idiots
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20450 @ 0.00093895 = 19.2015 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00093525 = 13.187 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 215 @ 0.00253974 = 0.546 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 36 @ 0.04081058 = 1.4692 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: Quantum positioning system steps in when GPS fails - tech - 14 May 2014 - New Scientist
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.1081076 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00093525 = 6.2662 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: At this rate we are going to have quantum toasters before quantum computers
assbot: Silent Circle Raises $30 Million In Funding From New Strategic Investors -- WASHINGTON and LONDON, May 21, 2014 /PRNewswire/ --
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17571 @ 0.00093525 = 16.4333 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.47 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0975 = 0.975 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.48273741 = 0.9655 BTC [+] {2}
artifexd: jurov: Was the box your trezor came in glued shut on both sides? Did it have a holographic sticker?
artifexd: asciilifeform is better qualified to answer that than I.
kakobrekla: dunno maybe if you can get one not intercepted by nsa or smth
kakobrekla: tbh i havent even looked into it as waht it does
danielpbarron: can you generate the wallet on a different machine and upload it into the device?
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: So far I think it only works with their wallet thing
jurov: danielpbarron only bip-whatever compatible wallet
danielpbarron: ok, so it isn't doing the random number stuff on that stick?
jurov: the passphrase must be generated somewhere
jurov: i'm not sure if it's done on the device or externally
assbot: Tennessee brings back electric chair
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.48 BTC [-]
jurov: in any case there's rng on STM chip used for ecdsa
moiety: i would like a quantum toaster
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 8 @ 0.04094 = 0.3275 BTC [+]
assbot: Olivo's days with Dodgers are done - The Orange County Register
BingoBoingo: “It is not a question of fault,” Kasten said. “As I said, the action of removing a part of someone’s ear is unforgivable. Fault is not an issue here.
BingoBoingo: Guerrero, meanwhile, remains hospitalized in Salt Lake City after having plastic surgery to re-attach the portion of his ear Olivo bit off.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23474 @ 0.00093677 = 21.9897 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 626 @ 0.00093485 = 0.5852 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.10810892 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 1348 @ 0.00254301 = 3.428 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11732 @ 0.00093766 = 11.0006 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20502 @ 0.00093809 = 19.2327 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13750 @ 0.00093895 = 12.9106 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.0975 = 1.95 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12635 @ 0.00093713 = 11.8406 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.13299999 = 0.266 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Naphex: Looks like you are getting some volume
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 6 @ 0.13299999 = 0.798 BTC [+]
mod6: ye ole behind-the-curtain rng
Naphex: BingoBoingo: pretty small though still today, but picking up:p
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1289 @ 0.000118 = 0.1521 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1565 @ 0.00093305 = 1.4602 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1347 @ 0.00011689 = 0.1575 BTC [-]
rithm: it's the lonliest number
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13900 @ 0.00093461 = 12.9911 BTC [+]
jurov: asciilifeform: and when will the nonsatanic implementation ship?
jurov: inb4 "when it is ready"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.04 = 0.16 BTC [-]
TomServo: jurov's angling for that .02 on 'no' :P
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin-Central out of business in 2014 :: 0.24 B (2%) on Yes, 10.09 B (98%) on No | closing in 7 months 1 week| weight: 90`530 (100`000 to 1)
jurov: TomServo: i made the same bet last year, but nobody else bet
jurov: but i managed to scoop whole bitbet's home bet for myself xD
assbot: BitBet - Perpetual Obsolescence: iOS 8 Announced in 2014 :: 0.19 B (95%) on Yes, 0.01 B (5%) on No | closing in 7 months 1 week| weight: 98`771 (100`000 to 1)
jurov: i.e. "unspecified behavior"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0334999 = 0.134 BTC [+]
jurov: mp decides this afaik, not kako
pankkake: but there will be an HTTP redirect
pankkake: so go on bitcoin-central.net, login, it werks!
pankkake: but I hope davout loses because Paymium sucks ass for a name
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72133 @ 0.00093203 = 67.2301 BTC [-] {4}
kakobrekla: davout i dont know, why you keep making trouble and asking us to solve it?!
BingoBoingo wonders when davout starts going snackman on Bitcointalk
jurov: ascii i know. maybe it can be hacked into doing ecdsa, tho
jurov: 1. put file with unsigned tx
jurov: 3. plug back and broadcast
jurov: maybe even most of trezor code can be ported to have best of both worlds
jurov: and to annoy stickfag >:D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21150 @ 0.00093566 = 19.7892 BTC [+]
assbot: How Scalia Helped Legalize Gay Marriage in Pennsylvania - Hit & Run : Reason.com
jurov: kakobrekla: did bfl publish the hw specs at all? (aside from number of fans)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.48 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 41 @ 0.0975 = 3.9975 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 181 @ 0.00253467 = 0.4588 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.04 = 0.16 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0335 = 0.1675 BTC [+]
jurov: i guess ascii would get pretty annoyed, too. if cardano ended up used as btc wallet :D
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 21 @ 0.04 = 0.84 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38700 @ 0.00092862 = 35.9376 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.42885352 BTC to 8`552 shares, 28401 satoshi per share
bitcoinpete: jurov: i gotta say, quite impressed with coinbr thus far. wd
jurov: pentesting or just trying the knobs?
TomServo: bitcoinpete: I gotta say, I curse your name often for revealing to me how these tards pronounce 'doge'. :P
TomServo: Ignorance is bliss in this case.
bitcoinpete: TomServo: lol i'm nothing if not cursable.
TomServo: bitcoinpete: Nah, I appreciate your insight. Keep
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28000 @ 0.00092808 = 25.9862 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5366 @ 0.00093134 = 4.9976 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 20 @ 0.0230081 = 0.4602 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43193 @ 0.00093134 = 40.2274 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 24 @ 0.0231 = 0.5544 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00011047 = 0.1105 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0975 = 0.4875 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: bitcoinpete: lets make a historical archive of all scams like we discussed before
bitcoinpete: thestringpuller: the point of the "wallet inspector" term is that everything is a scam until proven otherwise
bitcoinpete: it's essentially impossible to document all the nitty gritty little nonsense ipos/alts/blahblahs out there
bitcoinpete: it's far more sane to explore what makes the non-scams different
bitcoinpete: only occasionally beating a scam to a pulp when the mood and/or opportunity arises.
bitcoinpete: there honestly aren't enough hours in a day to document "all the scams"
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 521.07, Best ask: 523.4, Bid-ask spread: 2.33000, Last trade: 523.5, 24 hour volume: 18398.37867255, 24 hour low: 517.01, 24 hour high: 547.1, 24 hour vwap: 531.31044325
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8750 @ 0.00093569 = 8.1873 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: "I Am Hoping For A Mini Puke": Details Of Barclays' Gold Manipulation | Zero Hedge
assbot: [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00560000 / 0.00568301 / 0.00570010 (82 shares, 0.46600654 BTC), 7D: 0.00560000 / 0.00593967 / 0.00650000 (1458 shares, 8.66004255 BTC), 30D: 0.00532500 / 0.00641192 / 0.00750000 (8993 shares, 57.66238637 BTC)
benkay: i wonder how hard rent will get hammered in the next bull market.
benkay: can't short the fucker, they'll arbitrarily pin the price at .008.
benkay: HeySteve: i don't see the problem. sucker bought shit paper from a firm with a big fucking stick. firm used the stick to make the market do what they wanted.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 18 @ 0.0395 = 0.711 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: benkay: Shame Mr. Ohio is a wonder place isn't here to !up and ask that question to.
pankkake: benkay: I was thinking of starting a general shorting fund - sell shares that mimic shares in every way (pay same divs, buyback at vwap after X months). sell the shares at a discount to make them more appealing than real shares
HeySteve: benkay, market manipulation on that scale is supposedly illegal
pankkake: however 1) I don't have the time 2) talkvestors wouldn't understand it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 15 @ 0.02310001 = 0.3465 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31007 @ 0.00093514 = 28.9959 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0975 = 0.39 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40656 @ 0.00093586 = 38.0483 BTC [+]
benkay: BingoBoingo: i have no questions for the man.
benkay: HeySteve: outlawing market manipulation is a fools errand. those with the cash to throw around are going to do so regardless of the regulatory environment and do so all the time.
BingoBoingo: benkay: Well, you want to know how much it will crash? Why not seek a guestimate from the source?
Apocalyptic: <benkay> HeySteve: outlawing market manipulation is a fools errand. those with the cash to throw around are going to do so regardless of the regulatory environment and do so all the time. << pretty much benkay
Apocalyptic: it's not like it's enforceable or anything
benkay: pankkake: sounds like a neat synthetics project.
HeySteve: it depends on the structure of the market. if you can naked short commodities, commodity prices will become distorted
benkay: bit of a collateralization problem, though.
HeySteve: explain gold market then, benkay
benkay: prices are always distorted.
benkay: the myth of a stable market is sold to consumer investors to legitimize state intervention in the markets.
benkay: there is absolutely fuck-all wrong with my borrowing 100B from mircea_popescu and selling them on the open market to pay him back later.
benkay: it's mp's responsibility to audit my ability to pay, not the governments to prohibit the borrowing.
HeySteve: but that's not naked short selling
benkay: okay fine no its not, because i haven't made the paper up.
benkay: this however is an artifact of a totally hilariously antiquated system, non?
HeySteve: yeah absolutely, and pretty sure governments like to see gold price suppressed. major rises in gold give away their inflationary printing
benkay: if the US stock market wasn't running on 60s technology with no idea if a given broker actually had the things they were selling, this wouldn't be a problem.
benkay: the solution apparently is to ban naked short selling and protect the institutionalized idiocy that is the US paper transfer 'network'.
☟︎ HeySteve: Patrick Byrne from Overstock has been pushing for that ban
HeySteve: this sort of thing isn't possible with Bitcoin though
benkay: no this has to do with paper of companies, not bitcoins themselves
benkay: if havelock wanted to enable naked short selling they could do that in half a second
benkay: afaik there's no way to evaluate the float on mpex. you just gotta trust mircea_popescu.
benkay: and for the record people have sold bitcoins naked as well in the past
benkay: didn't go so well, but it's happened.
benkay: anyways - don't enter into contracts with people who can swing the market around to make the contract pay out however they want.
benkay: p. sure this happened with the mpex btc/usd options as well. no proof, but...
HeySteve: sure, that's common sense. but banks trading against their customers, well I'm pretty sure that's illegal. Goldman has done it too
benkay: what i'm trying to convey to you is that it's standard operating procedure regardless of the law.
HeySteve: it's like how brokers can fleece clients by trading through their stops
HeySteve: sure, I have no doubt it's SOP
HeySteve: gold's been suppressed for ages with all kinds of crazy slamdown trades
HeySteve: no one looking to get good prices will sell everything huge volumes all at once
HeySteve: this is very common in gold markets though, it's blatant manipulation
pankkake: benkay: yes, also one of the reason the contract would have to be long. limits on upside to not go bankrupt in rare cases (say, 3×). limits on volume - many assets have no trading happening…
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23750 @ 0.00093468 = 22.1987 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74136 @ 0.00093471 = 69.2957 BTC [+] {4}
bitcoinpete: fluffypony: how to become rich? first, have several million Dollars. << lulz
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 6 @ 0.0399 = 0.2394 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] [PAID] 16.96747444 BTC to 29`438 shares, 57638 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 243 @ 0.03816809 = 9.2748 BTC [-] {13}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 94 @ 0.0975 = 9.165 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0975 = 0.195 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: change you password to "hows your day?"
jurov: ;;ident thestringpuller
gribble: Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is identified as user 'thestringpuller', with GPG key id 0FF2943DA179E169, key fingerprint 6ACE36E786F39A4ADC4506DE0FF2943DA179E169, and bitcoin address None
benkay: cat ~/.ssh/major_client | pbcopy
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31850 @ 0.0009349 = 29.7766 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 3 @ 0.13299999 = 0.399 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: well at least I don't use that password in too many places ~_~ 2nd time i've done that. ugh
assbot: Pass: The Standard Unix Password Manager
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3000 @ 0.00011025 = 0.3308 BTC [-] {10}
thestringpuller: yea that's my project for the weekend pankkake just been a bit lazy
jurov: thestringpuller: at least you shouldn't mention where the pw is from. you're very lucky you caught me
jurov: cuz i'm at a party atm, just wanted to shut down my lappy
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thestringpuller: password is used in two places unfortunately two very important places
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 110 @ 0.00457988 = 0.5038 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00011001 = 0.11 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.48 BTC [-]
moiety: i have to run out for half hour again but i'll be back asaic
artifexd: Any recommendations for a linux desktop? Requirements: It would mostly be used for dev work and standard internet user stuff and I have to be able to run Windows in a VM (work requires Visual Studio).
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.0381002 = 0.1143 BTC [-] {2}
artifexd: I was thinking about Ubuntu but apparently they suck for reasons that are unclear to me.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00011001 = 0.11 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4010 @ 0.00011699 = 0.4691 BTC [+] {2}
artifexd: Additional requirement: It has to be multi-monitor friendly. I'm driving over 10megapixels of desktop.
rithm: <epeen> Linux 3.5.0-47-generic | Dual Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-3220 CPU @ 3.30GHz 1600.000 MHz | Mem: 2684/4019M [||||||||||] | Diskspace: 1863G Free: 1455G | Bogomips: 26341.7 | Screen Res: 3360x1050 | Procs: 202 | eth0: In: 5.89G Out: 4.17G | 13:24:25 up 3 days, 23:03, 4 users, load average: 0.23, 0.23, 0.45
artifexd: ;;calc (2160 * 1600 * 3) + (1200 * 1600 * 2)
Apocalyptic: <thestringpuller> archlinux is pretty good // it is
artifexd: Will proficiency on archlinux help with centos?
artifexd: I'm not married to Centos. It is just what I've used for servers at home.
pankkake: Fedora is pretty good. Ubuntu with less insanity. Perhaps with a smaller community
artifexd: Does which distribution I use even really matter?
pankkake: bsd ain't ready for the desktop
benkay: <zrobo> cryptsy.com: 1 dogecoin = 78 satoshis. coindesk price $0.0004. 24 hr volume: 1147 megadoge
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.0975 = 1.95 BTC [+]
Apocalyptic: damn ATC is roughly 5 times for valuable that doge
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.00092945 = 6.5991 BTC [-]
mod6: pankkake: did you try out pcbsd?
atcbot: 14k@327 0k@300 20k@290 | 6k@200 32k@195 50k@158
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 455357.13 Est. Next Diff: 157863.61 in 481 blocks (#32256) Est. % Change: -65.33
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 55 @ 0.0334999 = 1.8425 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.034 = 0.17 BTC [+]
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 195 Ask: 290 Last Price: 200 24h-Vol: 6k High: 200 Low: 200 VWAP: 200
artifexd: What about comfortable for WIndows exiles? :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.0975 = 1.0725 BTC [+]
Apocalyptic: <asciilifeform> you can use kde, gnome, etc. // also known as the clickodrome
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24300 @ 0.0009294 = 22.5844 BTC [-] {2}
artifexd: As far as desktops go, kde and gnome are pretty much all there is, right?
assbot: ratpoison: Say good-bye to the rodent
pankkake: artifexd: for full desktop + app suite, you mean. and there is at least xfce
pankkake: for window management… there's many
artifexd: So many choices. So overwhelming.
artifexd: I remember a story from the early 90's about people coming to the US from Russia and getting stuck in the supermarket because they couldn't choose a toothpaste due to the number of choices.
mod6: <+thestringpuller> 12 mod6 = 0 << haha
assbot: i3 - improved tiling wm
BingoBoingo: artifexd: Just run Solaris 8 with Common Desktop Environment
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.00589991 = 0.295 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.0975 = 1.0725 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: I never understood why HDMI and DVI took off, what was wrong with DB13W3
thestringpuller: People just put that shit in a bluray drive and rip an mkv anyways...
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40900 @ 0.00093038 = 38.0525 BTC [+] {2}
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TomServo: You'd think they'd have learned after the CSS key was leaked.
benkay: the people with the money to implement dumb crypto things are never going to select professional services people for execution who say things like "what you are trying to build is not possible to build".
benkay: they're going to select people who say things like "well that's going to cost you 2.3 million dollars at the low end, and maybe as much as 10, but you'll have rock-solid DRM at the end of it".
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: HP's problem is they never went all the way. Playing with AMD64 is what pushed sun into Oracle's maw.
BingoBoingo: PA could have lived on like SPARC, but HP never tried to push it hard enough.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51600 @ 0.00092859 = 47.9152 BTC [-] {4}
BingoBoingo: In college I bought a couple shares of Sun stock for around $4 per. Registered as a shareholder. Got a bunch of swag in the form of t-shirts and Solaris DVDs
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: If I ever get bored enough to take up metalworking as a hobby cases like that would make interesting projects.
BingoBoingo: Only thing in my time at the dorms that exploded was the water fountain.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 55 @ 0.03435 = 1.8893 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: Resident adviser tried imposing order on athlete down the hall, was dropped onto the water fountain with force the last day of the semester.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.00092773 = 9.9267 BTC [-]
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BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Maybe not as a whole system, but as a case... Unfortunately it isn't priced for parts.
benkay: pitter-patter of monsoon season outside.
princessnell: mircea_popescu: this opens up a large debate as to whether life has purpose. i happen to hold that it doesnt, which informs the choice of vocabulary. it'll have to be translated (apolitic ?) to avoid linking that dependency in there. << on the most basic level the purpose of life is to keep living. everything else is window dressing but the actions they adorn reveal a necessary performative acknowlegement.
princessnell: not exactly keep living, but maximize probability of the highest possible degree of genetic transmission. but you get my drift.
bitcoinpete: princessnell i think that's too reductionist
bitcoinpete: our purpose is to achieve, to grow, to strive for better.
bitcoinpete: that often includes children, but this isn't a necessity
princessnell: some of those are better or worse to achieve those ends depending on environemnt/institutions
princessnell: bitcoinpete that often includes children, but this isn't a necessity << right, Hamilton's law
bitcoinpete: achievement isn't window dressing if it impacts the world.
princessnell: mircea_popescu and in that they become unhuman. basically a major point of that article is that this desperate clutching at straws, people trying to retain their people-relevance in economics is a little lulzy. there's no room for politics in economy. << i am excited to learn more about this non-political economy you have discovered!
princessnell: bitcoinpete you're right. i was framing in terms of MP's nihilism.
bitcoinpete: i would've thought he was the exact opposite
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 9 @ 0.0397999 = 0.3582 BTC [+]
princessnell: ok, but i'm not sure how that addresses "this opens up a large debate as to whether life has purpose. i happen to hold that it doesnt."
nubbins`: what in the world is purposeful about a bunch of molecules smacking into each other?
nubbins`: more molecules smacking into each other
bitcoinpete: exactly this question and the ability to ask it
bitcoinpete: princessnell: i can't speak more on mp's behalf. i know not his mind
nubbins`: speaking of mp, he's actually moving overseas or smth?
bitcoinpete: well, he was overseas to begin with. now he'll just be south afaik
princessnell: bitcoinpete sure. i was just responding to his idea as presented. but we'll see.
chetty: no one knows what lurks in the mind of MP, even MP
☟︎ Duffer1: i imagine .bait models dancing around a shrine of spreadsheets
bitcoinpete: i imagine a west african tribal village with mp dressed as a shaman
nubbins`: so, basically Ginger Baker in Africa
nubbins`: but with a different color hair
nubbins`: he's in his 70s or 80s now, or maybe even dead
nubbins`: lives in sud afrika, maybe fluffypony can track him down
fluffypony: cool, we're a regular celebratory hideaway :)
nubbins`: there's documentary "beware of mr baker" about him, pretty good watch
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30050 @ 0.00092758 = 27.8738 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0225001 = 0.225 BTC [-]
chetty: The FT economics editor Chris Giles says French economist Thomas Piketty's bestseller "Capitalism in the 21st Century," about rising inequality in the West, contains serious errors that undermine his conclusion that wealth distributions are widening.
assbot: The FT Accusation Against Piketty - Business Insider
chetty: artifexd, I use ubuntu for development, its not that bad - but on newer releases you gotta dump the unity desktop
bitcoinpete: chetty: shocking, piketty is a statist shill
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.47016526 BTC [-]
princessnell: chetty unfortunately i don't think that will matter
chetty: nope the piketty damage is done already
chetty: like any other 'science' the lefty likes, run with it, truth matters not
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16700 @ 0.00092968 = 15.5257 BTC [+]
chetty: I guess sel in May and go away doesn't count in btc
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0975 = 0.4875 BTC [+]
Apocalyptic: chetty, it's the opposite in btc, buy in May :)
BingoBoingo: Year to year the best time to buy BTC both changes, and never really changes.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0975 = 0.2925 BTC [+]
benkay: it's not really that hard, bitcoinpete
benkay: dollar cost average ftw
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.03439607 = 0.3784 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: Amazon Escalates Its Battle Against Publishers - Slashdot
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.03439969 = 0.2408 BTC [+]
assbot: Odd Couples: Lion, Tiger And Bear Are Real Life BFFs | Geekologie
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.0975 = 1.4625 BTC [+]
artifexd: chetty: What do you use in its place?
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 152 @ 0.00255197 = 0.3879 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 55 @ 0.00589991 = 0.3245 BTC [+]
assbot: Cats in Sinks - for all your cat and bathroom needs
BingoBoingo: Yeah, sucks to be the authors caught up in it.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42561 @ 0.00093002 = 39.5826 BTC [+] {2}
fluffypony: I believe we've found the guide /r/bitcoin has been using for post titles
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10893 @ 0.00093023 = 10.133 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.0975 = 0.6825 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0975 = 0.4875 BTC [+]
chetty: artifexd, I just force it back to the gnome from older versions
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 43 @ 0.00459 = 0.1974 BTC [-]
dignork: A bit late, but this xrp selloff is fun. Nobody tried to verify his gpg sig, and it doesn't match actually.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0225001 = 0.1125 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0337304 = 0.1687 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0225001 = 0.1125 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21757 @ 0.00093019 = 20.2381 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5327 @ 0.00092741 = 4.9403 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0225001 = 0.1125 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16368 @ 0.00093044 = 15.2294 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00092741 = 11.7781 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7700 @ 0.00093045 = 7.1645 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16350 @ 0.00093356 = 15.2637 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 263 @ 0.00282131 = 0.742 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 25 @ 0.03463148 = 0.8658 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 80 @ 0.00273691 = 0.219 BTC [-] {10}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.0359 = 0.2513 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 22 @ 0.0975 = 2.145 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0225001 = 0.225 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0225001 = 0.225 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24600 @ 0.00093366 = 22.968 BTC [+] {2}