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mats: is this second bit a political or economic argument
mats: slaves at sea are a physical security nightmare
mats: perhaps a definition of terms is in order - i consider slavery the keeping of humans as property, distinct from slavery in teh manner of the old testament, indentured servitude with timed expiry, 'jubilee'
mircea_popescu: slavery is "do what you're fucking told to do". the only available alternative is "figure out something for you to do".
mircea_popescu: humans generally work terribly poorly on the 2nd perspective.
mircea_popescu: in any case, the best possible thing you can be is property. the alternative is being a liability.
mircea_popescu: contrary to what overexicted emotards like to pretend, there ~isn't~ a third.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-26#1875076 discussion very much apropos. there's either domestic slave, or domestic liability. "wife" "girlfriend" "significant other" bla bla bla sad if transparent attempts at confounding the issue through labels. "oh, it's not directly evident if i mean she's the head of the household or the drain in the balance sheet". "no, actually, i think i can tell". ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-11-26 23:32 mircea_popescu: to restate in these terms, "two young males, fractional '''girlfriend''' they'd have to pay to get rid of, living with parents, hoping to be one day paid by inca for the useless '''work''' they want to do" etc.
mircea_popescu: when's the last time you ever heard anyone ask a sailor/doctor/starlet/best grip/screenwriter/whatever what ~they~ would want to do ?
mats: its normal for lieutenants to be asked whether they're looking to go command track, staff; what their top 3 stations are; ncos can volunteer for special billets like recruiting, babysitting privates as instructors, embassy duty, going through various schools under jsoc, ...
mats: doctors are asked to decide what their specialization will be, what grants they are looking to pursue in order to undertake some research
mats: i understand the pedagogical purpose of what you're saying
mats: if you're actually good at what you do, you can have some limited control over decisions that affect you
mircea_popescu: sure, and slaves can decide whether they're gonna wear rag A or rag B.
mircea_popescu: there's exactly no difference between scarlet o'hara's mammy and that elaineou chick';s story about how she didn't get subtype x of brand y of packaged "food" at office because she got it at home and she wanted ~some way~ to distinguish between the two.
mircea_popescu: (cursory examination failed to turn up the actual item, was maybe 2016 vintage ; meanwhile snowed in by >9000 inconsequential tidbits a la https://elaineou.com/2018/12/01/dont-hate-her-because-she-commissioned-opposition-research-on-george-soros/ https://elaineou.com/2018/11/27/a-bitcoin-is-forever/ etc. spoiler : 2 out of past 3 offerings, rewritten "in own words" tlp articles, pete dushenski style.)
mircea_popescu: to sum up : "antebellum slaves" weren't "some people with absolutely no options". they were "some people whose continued existence depends on ~others~ maintaining an ecosystem for them". their "freed" descendants replicated the original situation exactly, they're came up with "the rap industry" to "tryna make it in", an' when clinton gave them free houses they failed to keep up with the payments. this doesn't sum to an indict
mircea_popescu: ment of slavery as an institution, but to an indictment of blackness as an ethnicity.
mircea_popescu: much like the fact that old people will either be found loitering in old people homes or else loitering in parks and train stations isn't possibly an indictment of old people homes ; but of old age.
mircea_popescu: being old sucks, and this isn't going to change by how you package the old folks. it's not "serenity cedars" or whatever stupid name's fault that there's no great 90yo strippers, or wrestlers, or whatever the fuck. no reforming of retirement homes is gonna make senior citizens a pleasure to drive behind. and so on.
mircea_popescu: nor can this be dispelled by anecdotal example. ~of fucking course~ there's 90yos you'd love to have dinner with. few and fart between.
mircea_popescu: o wait, i mean far*.
mircea_popescu: the question is not "whether slave has some leeway". all living things always have some leway. the question is, in romanian, "desteptu' face bani din ce doreste, prostu' din ce poate" ; and in latin, "si quis, inquis, dives est, tum cenare potest cum cupit. si pauper, tum cenare debet cum potest."
mircea_popescu: the difference is that some do what they will and the rest do what they can. that's it, and there's no talking out of it available, the surgeon will operate a case of apendicitis every single time a case of apendicits walks in the er door. not a single time less nor a single time more. "nobody asks him" in this exact sense, he'll do what there's to be done according to the book of his slavery, much EXACRTLY like the "antebell
mircea_popescu: um south" slave who'll pick cotton, exactly as much and not an iota more or less as there's cotton to be picked, and will brush silverware exactly as much and not an iota more or less as there's silverware to brush.
mircea_popescu: yes, he can apply to boss man to be moved from silverware detail to apendicitis tickling, or vice-versa, to cotton pickin'. but as long as there's the three ring binder, servile profession stays servile profession, and not calling it slavery's exactly like calling the guatemalan sinkhole in your livingroom "my girlfriend". the calling dun change nothing.
lobbes: !Qlater tell spyked http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/rOvJB/?raw=true
lobbesbot: lobbes: The operation succeeded.
lobbes: ^^ lemme know if you end up needing the post-by-post history and I can shoot that over too
diana_coman: trinque, running the cuntoo script as root on Gentoo laptop with ./bootstrap.sh -k config/4.9.95-apu2 -d /dev/sdb where the laptop's own system is on /dev/sda and that /dev/sdb is an external drive connected via USB; all the partitioning+compilations seem to work fine but at the end the make_portage_tree script fails for lack of stuff and looking a bit higher up in the output I get this: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Mbkqu/?raw=true
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/12/linux-org-domain-hijacked-to-show-hairy-butthole/ << Qntra -- Linux.org Domain Hijacked To Show Hairy Butthole
mircea_popescu: #LinuxLost
BingoBoingo: Indeed
BingoBoingo getting clean air before making one last dive into the corral of mediocrity
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo keks, may now wants to stick with eu ?
mircea_popescu: they're so lulzy, these schmucks. srsly now, if i wanted to play with six year old girls i'd have stayed six years old. who the fuck ever does ?!
BingoBoingo: Really, its a whole pile of WTFs all the way down
mircea_popescu: meh, i keep losing my articles.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo do you perchance recall which trilema piece explained why and wherefore politeness is a social bad (inflates away the value system) ?
BingoBoingo: Ths one? http://trilema.com/2016/honor-societies-vs-respect-societies-or-how-the-disaster-of-commons-sunk-the-western-world/
mircea_popescu: yay!
mircea_popescu: tyvm
mircea_popescu: ahahah teh fucking comments. who was mr beam anyways ?!
BingoBoingo: I can't recall the beam fellow
mircea_popescu: Mr. Beam Friday, 25 November 2016 '"Used on blogging sites, mostly Tumblr, is an expression that denotes so many emotional responses that the user can’t even comprehend what has been said or seen. " << Wrong. Intel first introduced a line of Pentriums that couldn't even.' Mircea Popescu 'I thought the Intels couldn't odd.'
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/the-stupidity-ratchet/ << Trilema -- The stupidity ratchet
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-09#1879137 << the warnings from cp are expected. I'm copying just files, not dirs (perhaps there's a way to suppress this warning?). If the script stopped at this point for you, I'd be curious what adding -x to the shebang at top tells us. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-09 09:36 diana_coman: trinque, running the cuntoo script as root on Gentoo laptop with ./bootstrap.sh -k config/4.9.95-apu2 -d /dev/sdb where the laptop's own system is on /dev/sda and that /dev/sdb is an external drive connected via USB; all the partitioning+compilations seem to work fine but at the end the make_portage_tree script fails for lack of stuff and looking a bit higher up in the output I get this: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Mbkqu/?raw=true
diana_coman: trinque, it didn't stop but it ended with an empty "a" and "b" hence .vpatch
diana_coman: so I think it wasn't just a warning really
diana_coman: also, why does it try to write to read-only stuff on /dev/sda or what am I failing to understand there?
trinque: diana_coman: it's saying that lilo was instructed *not* to write to sda
trinque: I roll through all other block devices but the target one and explicitly tell lilo not to fuck with them.
diana_coman: ah, ah, I get it now; makes sense
trinque: the empty dirs are weird indeed. I think -x at the top of that script will tell us more, if you would be so kind.
trinque: I'll re-run on my end as well and confirm that I get the same results I did last time.
trinque: looks like you did receive a bootable drive though, just no vpatch?
diana_coman: trinque, yes, I seem to have a bootable drive at the end of it but empty .vpatch file; where exactly should I add the -x?
diana_coman: I'll re-run it with that, no problem
trinque: scripts/make_portage_tree.sh << #!/bin/bash -ex
diana_coman: will do and report back when it finishes - probably I get to see it in ~12 hours from now though
trinque: sounds about right
trinque: can speed things up by copying /cuntoo/packages/* to the packages folder in the bootstrapper dir
diana_coman: it's more that I'll be away in a few hours anyway and then it's night here so it may as well just run fully until tomorrow morning
diana_coman: but speedup option is actually good to know anyway
trinque: ah right, no worries. thanks for your testing.
feedbot: http://pizarroisp.net/2018/12/09/weekly-update-december-9th-2018/ << PizarroISP -- Weekly Update December 9th 2018
feedbot: http://bimbo.club/?p=100 << Bimbo.Club -- Somebody save me
asciilifeform back in biz after short break in meatspace
asciilifeform: diana_coman et al : achtung : http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2735&cpage=1#comment-19763
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-08#1879088 << i have not read. but attempted to when eating log, and found that i dun have enuff of recent ro wank loaded into head, to make sense of it ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-08 16:43 mircea_popescu: o btw, in continuation of "romanians are idiots" discussion, asciilifeform ever read http://trilema.com/2010/dusmania-politica-romaneasca/ ?
asciilifeform: ( e.g. what is 'psd' ? )
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-08#1879048 << i turn these up erry coupla months, some rando derp claims to tmsr etc ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-08 02:54 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in other wtfs, https://blackhattactics.net/i-bring-tidings-of-the-most-serene-republic.html
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-08#1879085 << i must be an earthworm. cuz i find'em ~all~ ~equally infuriating. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-08 16:22 mircea_popescu: possibly it's the actual substance of gender identity, "when girls do x i find it tolerable, when bois do it i find it unbearable" "so you're male ?"
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-08#1879068 >> KillThemAll ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-08 15:52 mircea_popescu: #KillTheMales
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-09#1879123 << astonishing levels of snoar. tho will point out, the 'btc is 4evah' part is lulzy -- not even speaking of hypothetical crypto breaks -- there's, e.g., a built-in sad-fixint-overflow boojum due in < 20yr . ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-09 05:47 mircea_popescu: (cursory examination failed to turn up the actual item, was maybe 2016 vintage ; meanwhile snowed in by >9000 inconsequential tidbits a la https://elaineou.com/2018/12/01/dont-hate-her-because-she-commissioned-opposition-research-on-george-soros/ https://elaineou.com/2018/11/27/a-bitcoin-is-forever/ etc. spoiler : 2 out of past 3 offerings, rewritten "in own words" tlp articles, pete dushenski style.)
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-09#1879139 << oblig >> http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2578 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-09 15:35 mircea_popescu: #LinuxLost
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-09#1879133 << i can't resist to ask, wtf is a 'nonservile profession' ? 'fuhrer' aint a profession imho ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-09 06:01 mircea_popescu: yes, he can apply to boss man to be moved from silverware detail to apendicitis tickling, or vice-versa, to cotton pickin'. but as long as there's the three ring binder, servile profession stays servile profession, and not calling it slavery's exactly like calling the guatemalan sinkhole in your livingroom "my girlfriend". the calling dun change nothing.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-09#1879175 << tell'em, nicoleci, that it is too late nao : that you have already grown the horn. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-09 23:05 feedbot: http://bimbo.club/?p=100 << Bimbo.Club -- Somebody save me