tmsr - Log 2017-04-24

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pete_dushenski: "WARNING: asciilifeform_blackhole_reads.vpatch.asciilifeform.sig is an INVALID seal for asciilifeform_blackhole_reads.vpatch!" << anyone else seen this error ? my vtron is barfing this up even though my gpgtron says it's a good sig. ☟︎☟︎

BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Have you tried to refer to them with different pronouns in an effort to appease them? Maybe instead of "tron" they prefer "tractor" or "dragonbane"

deedbot: http://wot.deedbot.org/17215D118B7239507FAFED98B98228A001ABFFC7.asc ☟︎

mod6: anyway, if you have alf's most updated key, the vpatch verfifies the seal for me.

mod6: If you're using V (99994) the reason that you won't see it in the flow is because it needs to be reground: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Hu0ab/?raw=true

mod6: In the new version, if a vpatch doesn't have *ALL* antecedents present in the flow, it is dropped on the floor.

mod6: now why you saw the INVALID seal message im not too sure. could be you have a stale key of his, or perhaps the seal wasn't quite named correctly.

deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/62716703258F0344011B0EFF9E9FA81ECF673AF9D47208601BC72B454CC3DD77 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1165...6197 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '77.37.12.59 (ssh-rsa key from 77.37.12.59 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (harklink.de. DE HE)

deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/62716703258F0344011B0EFF9E9FA81ECF673AF9D47208601BC72B454CC3DD77 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1332...6409 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '77.37.12.59 (ssh-rsa key from 77.37.12.59 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (harklink.de. DE HE)

deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CA8D1813137B5AC2A09FF97A116C045441C4502EC10A037B96DF2FC5E735100F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1490...4753 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '82.210.9.42 (ssh-rsa key from 82.210.9.42 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (82.210.9.42.rev.worldbone.de. DE)

deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CA8D1813137B5AC2A09FF97A116C045441C4502EC10A037B96DF2FC5E735100F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1552...1063 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '82.210.9.42 (ssh-rsa key from 82.210.9.42 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (82.210.9.42.rev.worldbone.de. DE)

deedbot: deeds online

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-24#1647632 << << lemme guess, you use keychains, dontcha , pete_dushenski . ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-04-24 06:12 pete_dushenski: "WARNING: asciilifeform_blackhole_reads.vpatch.asciilifeform.sig is an INVALID seal for asciilifeform_blackhole_reads.vpatch!" << anyone else seen this error ? my vtron is barfing this up even though my gpgtron says it's a good sig.

asciilifeform: ('even though my gpgtron says it's a good sig' means that you have up-to-date key ( asciilifeform removed the expir date of his mod this year ) but not an updated v-wot. )

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-24#1647632 << you probably have the old (ie, expired) version of the key. ☝︎

pete_dushenski: just updated asciilifeform key with http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-24#1647637 and got same error message :( ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-04-24 06:57 deedbot: http://wot.deedbot.org/17215D118B7239507FAFED98B98228A001ABFFC7.asc

pete_dushenski: also run moar #artdao http://archive.is/Sq9db << basically a way for js engineers to put even more starving artists out of work. man, it's stiff competition at the bottom

Framedragger: re. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-15#1644022 -- i don't really see where the plagiarism is. honest. the title ("collider")? the content (research had been done by monero project itself some time ago; *plenty* of discussion of RingCT outside #t (unless you define "discussion outside #t is not discussion", in which case you are right..tautologically))? ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-04-15 14:09 mircea_popescu: incidentally Framedragger , do you have a working theory as why he didn't say "decentralized systems lab plagiarized #trilema" ?

Framedragger: content's unoriginal and uninteresting, as far as i can see. why plagiarism of #t in particular?

Framedragger: (it's possibly they did not acknowledge prior research on monero, done by monero itself. that's true. also, ipfs project plagiarised the above just ~now. that's also true.)

Framedragger: you will laugh but there is e.g. /r/Monero , and it discussed unoriginality of above e.g. here https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/65dj7u/an_empirical_analysis_of_linkability_in_the/ (while giving references/links to outside stuff)

Framedragger: i don't know, are you saying that ideas from #t in regards to what, ringCT vulnerabilities? - have been taken?

Framedragger: that particular link is new. because it discusses this very monerolink webshit.

Framedragger: i'm not the best devil's advocate (nor do i want to be). maybe i can find something better and more concrete, true. it's just.. attribution of this much political clout to #t.. that'd sure be *grand*, and (hopefully) the case in the future. but i just dunno, man.

mircea_popescu: what's political to do with anything ? first guy to describe calculus is first guy to describe calculus.

Framedragger: so to construct a counterargument, i'd have to dig into what particular 'novel' stuff monerolink is claiming, and what particular vulns were discussed by monero project prior to this stuff. i can't be bothered, though - just don't care about monero that much - does that mean that i now have to default to "all shit is stolen from #t!"

a111: Logged on 2016-08-30 17:29 asciilifeform: davout: 'ring signatures' are not the promised 'invisibility cloak', but more of a smoke grenade.

mircea_popescu: the original question was, that since you seemed to either imply or embrace the thesis that ~he~ so defaults, you are then at liberty to explain the observed datapoint where he does not.

asciilifeform: we discusses the ~fundamental~ problem with monero's signature scheme.

asciilifeform: that remains, quite irrespective of which particular sig algo were to be used.

mircea_popescu: this you opted to discuss in "objective" terms, which whatever, you then later decided you don't want to discuss. fine. but the question was why doesn't ~he~ so claim.

Framedragger: asciilifeform: thanks, i recall, and will try to reread later to see how particular that one was.

Framedragger: mircea_popescu: yeah, i suppose i follow. hrr, ok i'll need to see what in particular was revealed/claimed in #t. besides "it's snake oil!"; i do hope that if/when aes is broken, #t doesn't go out saying "#t said all symmetric crypto is snakeoil! plagiarism!!"

Framedragger: (i'll go right ahead and reserve mine: (1) "euclid was snakeoil!"; and (2) "euler was snakeoil!" << there, now when totient function is broken or rsa is broken or any public key crypto scheme is broken, i'll have free pitchfork credit.) (i joke, i joke)

asciilifeform: Framedragger: deliberately playing idiot ? or is the difference between a proof (e.g. euclid's) and a conjecture (rsa) not apparent to Framedragger ?

Framedragger: asciilifeform: i am deliberately being snarky. please don't spend cpu cycles decoding this remark

Framedragger: (but yeah i see what you mean, of course there's a massive difference)

Framedragger: re. http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-30#1532069 there was nothing beyond ~= "is snakeoil" but i do recall more particular points being addressed some time before or after, so will dig up ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2016-08-30 17:29 asciilifeform: davout: 'ring signatures' are not the promised 'invisibility cloak', but more of a smoke grenade.

asciilifeform: Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-05#1422836 << orig. thread with asciilifeform vs author of subj ☝︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2016-03-05 19:28 fluffypony: stealth addresses provide unlinkability, ring signatures provide untraceability

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-24#1647706 << since we're on it, re the dating, i'll attest that while this may have been first publication, it was certainly discussed privately for 6-12 months prior. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-04-24 18:55 asciilifeform: Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-05#1422836 << orig. thread with asciilifeform vs author of subj

Framedragger: mircea_popescu: fair enough, but how are 'private discussions' in this context (plagiarism allegation) any different from http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-05#1637638 ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-04-05 13:53 mircea_popescu: this was discussed in developer meetings cca michelangelo. what of it ?

mircea_popescu: specifically http://btcbase.org/log/2014-09-09#823434 came after intel completed internal review of the thing. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2014-09-09 14:10 mircea_popescu: hey fluffypony do you plan to eventually sell the monero idea here once it reaches some sort of maturity or do you just plan to wait indefinitely for b-a to figure it out ?

mircea_popescu: Framedragger i'm not proposing it does anything. but jus' saying for it being said.

mircea_popescu: anyway. the thing here is that the concept, if not the particular implementation, is actually very interesting.

mircea_popescu: though as alf well points out last we had this, it may well be actually self-contradictory, this concept.

asciilifeform: however i'm just about as certain that it is self-contradictory, as that, e.g., p!=np.

mircea_popescu: usg tried agent orange, thing went poorly, reached some heights of lulz ("the government is completely functional except it is meeting in a secret location" while usg.protestors were overrunning abandoned airport terminals etc cca 2012) and then military org took over in 2014 and that's that for nato-istan in thailand.

mircea_popescu: somehow very gingerly unmentioned in the list of rice-clinton successes.

mircea_popescu: (they are passive-agressively yakking of "Corruption", of course, which is a major heading in the wikitardia entry on thailand but not, say, the us, or uk, or any other actually corrupt shitholes.)

deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/04/echos-of-the-great-again-france-pits-moderate-populist-against-hard-left-socialist-in-general-election/ << Qntra - Echos Of The Great Again: France Pits Moderate Populist Against Hard Left Socialist In General Election

Framedragger: i will also use this occasion to comment on the fact that i managed to almost spill tea when opening trilema.com and seeing the intense gaze of mp in photo breaking 4th wall

mod6: !~later tell pete_dushenski Hey, let's take a look at that when you have a minute tonight. Salud!

jhvh1: mod6: The operation succeeded.

mod6: In other news, my eatblock re-test is at 433K+ & into blk0042; not much more to go there...

phf: new talk from idlewords, this one's a miss. if you start reading it, and wonder if it gets better: it gets worse. http://idlewords.com/talks/build_a_better_monster.htm

mod6: shinohai: sure will do. it's just the eatblock test. once it's complete, i'll re-run all of the charts & metrics