mircea_popescu: i suppose it's a pretty decent way to drive people up the wall, as an angry teenager.
mircea_popescu: fill your cunt with newborn rats, take panties off in class
mircea_popescu: instead, it's a fat turtle in a pool. well done BingoBoingo
mircea_popescu: $v 8044D9A72C31F3E7DE2108E2EB0BFC77B46570F6DF0B166D6C793BE0053CA1B2
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dude's something else, linux client is so stable people run it from wed to wed (server updates and brief downtime weds) ; jurov made a windows version that's just as stable - everyone else who runs it has no conn problems.
mircea_popescu: then this hack went in and grubstreet'd all over, to the point he crashes all the time, so he made himself a watchdog. which i suppose needs a watchdog of its own
mircea_popescu: and will resist any attempt to be helped - such as for instance by people who actually understand computing reading his abomination and laughing at him - to the degree he'll get kicked out.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> chicago << oh, they finally wised up an' sent you to the meat packing plant ?
shinohai had dream last night of asciilifeform 's head in a jar futurama style.
mircea_popescu: to quote romania's nat'l poet, "nu cerceta aceste legi, caci esti nebun de le-ntelegi"
mircea_popescu: ie, do not research these laws, for understanding them means you're insane.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Remember that the Chicago River is an open sewer so feel free to bathroom there
mircea_popescu: actually from what i hear new orleans overtook detroit even in terms of sheer shithole.
mircea_popescu: anyway, you two gonna hang out for a beer or something ?
BingoBoingo: Aha, except they actually reversed the flow of the river at some point so new shit goes to Mississippi river after crossing state.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'm still a few hundred miles away.
BingoBoingo: Far more honest city about it's state of decay which is still far less than Chicago's evn if the fauna here are a bit more...
mircea_popescu: put yourself in tinder or whatever they use, "wise cosmopolitan gentleman (visited buenos aires! and timisoara!) with lots of dough to burn looking for local belle to show me a good time."
mircea_popescu: or what, suppose you go to teh movies, what do you do, instead of sitting down and shutting up like everyone else you bust into the projectionist's room and jockey the machine ?
mircea_popescu: add "must be conversant wihile wearing paper bag on head" to your ad if you must
mircea_popescu: (no, it won't deter. nothing will deter. to quote shaw,
mircea_popescu: " Men, on the other hand, attach penalties to marriage, depriving women of property, of the franchise, of the free use of their limbs, of that ancient symbol of immortality, the right to make oneself at home in the house of God by taking off the hat, of everything that he can force Woman to dispense with without compelling himself to dispense with her. All in vain. Woman must marry because the race must perish without her tra
mircea_popescu: vail: if the risk of death and the certainty of pain, danger, and unutterable discomforts cannot deter her, slavery and swaddled ankles will not.")
mircea_popescu: attend to your immortal soul before you attend to the base needs of the flesh!
mircea_popescu: local girlfriend first. any adolescent knows. and adolescence is aristocratic by not knowing better.
mircea_popescu: don't make me put the sheeny curse on you so you end up having to go back and back again for a decade!
Framedragger: [fwiw yeah +1 for tinder, though it does use effin facebook last i checked, etc etc, one more thing to re-build in a non-shitty fashion....]
mircea_popescu: Framedragger iirc no girls actually wanted to be on tinder because dudes'd just hit on everyone and then not show up.
Framedragger: ya, true. some dudes are selective but most are just desperate and/or can't be bothered. different algos so to speak, heh
mircea_popescu: historically, the "whatever" algo is actually pretty successful.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform women like variety just like normal people do.
Framedragger: yeah seems to have worked for these low entropy pockets around stars, pretty nifty!!
mircea_popescu: anyway, garbage has a tense relationship with sexuality.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-24 11:33 mircea_popescu: in fact the historical justification for broad female slavery is that the sex is better that way.
mircea_popescu: the whole impetuus of, say, romeo and juliet is the respective famblies going "op is garbage!!1". the lady an' the tramp is pretty much the "modern democracy" attempt at subverting and perhaps reclaiming the trite truth of the previous generations, ie, that nothing gets a gent going quite like the lady's maid.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger meh, lost me at "elderly". but the korine name is vaguely familiar.
Framedragger: yeah korine is an interesting guy. the film itself is random as fuck. literally folks humping trash, and just doing other bizarre things throughout film. i'd say it's an intereseting experience, to watch it i mean, but i believe when i watched it i was on a bit of acid. dunno how it would have got with me being completely sane..
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ahh, isn't it refreshing, to be in a place where they hafta say that ?
mircea_popescu: if he's going to bbl... technically he is on time machine.
mircea_popescu: lmao this is pretty rich news. so asciilifeform : it'd seem the raid on phuctor's machine is failing and the thing will have to be serviced. plox turn it off in your own time and let me know when it's ok to send teh service team in.
☟︎ Framedragger: mircea_popescu: have you considered serving all phuctor public stuff on a static frontend proxy of sorts?
mircea_popescu: three days. you know what raids are, right ? if it smokes we're fucked.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger my involvement is more remote, alf handles the tech there.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: ^ sorry im making you repeat yourself
Framedragger: asciilifeform: ah i recall you mentioning need for real-time data spitting-out. again this can be worked out but i don't want to be presumptuous, as in, "omg this is easily sortable just use pr0xi". just sayin, worth considertaion, perhpas
Framedragger: (..in other news hosters seem to cave in to the "we gun ban your ip cause we saw three TCP SYN packets to :22 on our block" threats and do not allow any scanning whatsoever. online.net may be the exception and are cooperative, will see how they tolerate some scanz)
Framedragger: (again, general ipv4 mapping is no prob, it's the more particular ssh key extraction that is slow and very hax0ry apparently)
Framedragger: (but i didn't spend much time dealing with this lately, busy with afk stuff. however will return to quest soon)
Framedragger: Scanning ports is forbidden on our network. We cannot even do some exeption in our anti-hack detecting system just for your server." <- this is e.g. kimsufi/OVH who are otherwise not complete govt bitches (they appeal court orders, ran wikileaks servers, lots tor exit nodes etc - not to say that this amount to too much)
Framedragger: more or less same from hetzner, digital ocean, and a local lithuanian provider which i've been using for a few years
mircea_popescu: so they banned you or what exactly happened ? you read their verbiage ?
Framedragger: ah - sorry for not being specific - no i ceased activities,and they were fine. OVH i didn't even try, i sent a query first like a good house guest
mircea_popescu: i still can't piece this together. let's try a sane example format :
Framedragger: digital ocean e.g. - scanned more than querter of ipv4 space using TCP SYN (masscan) - so just to see which :22 hosts are up - received numerous abuse complaints from all over the net, all forwarded to me
Framedragger: pleaded with them and they said okok we won't ban but don't do this again
mircea_popescu: i rented a [vps/dedicated/colocated] machine from X, i sent a total of Y packets of so and so in Z interval ; they <changed my logs and stole my remaining time|sent me support ticket complaining|etc>"
Framedragger: now i'll try scaleway / online.net and i don't use them for anything else so i'm fine with being banned. they said OK to my "responsible academic scanning" query. doesn't mean they'll follow through. but i'll just keep scanning / doing ssh extraction there, and rsyncing often, so that if/when i get eventually banned this wouldn't be a problem.
Framedragger: right, i'll do that, but later. sorry for not being specific, just wanted to rant, which is not too constructive
a111: Logged on 2016-05-25 13:53 mircea_popescu: lmao this is pretty rich news. so asciilifeform : it'd seem the raid on phuctor's machine is failing and the thing will have to be serviced. plox turn it off in your own time and let me know when it's ok to send teh service team in.
mircea_popescu: in other news, france saw over 500k arrests in 2007, which is to say 1% of the population was arrested THAT YEAR, or, if things continue at the same rate, ~everyone then alive'd have a better chance to be arrested rather than not be, during his lifetime.
mircea_popescu: except things didn't continue at the same rate, and 2014 was an all time record.
mircea_popescu: most of which, amusingly enough, are "delit d'association de malfaiteurs en relation avec une entreprise terroriste". hurr durr.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'm just surprised it wasn't an acquihire. no fducking idea why anyone else'd "buy" the sort of turd.
shinohai: Well I never liked multibit either, so
shinohai: Hard and soft turds combine to produce new, more repulsive pos
trinque: Ethereum has a growth mindset while Bitcoin has a false sense of accomplishment << wahahahaha
trinque: and oh the ways the socialists and advertisers have destroyed English
shinohai: well I suppose weed growth is still, technically, growth.
trinque: apparently an inanimate thing can have a mindset because somebody put some words together
mircea_popescu: to bolster the leverage point asciilifeform : consider reading merely the list of traded items in "london labour and the london poor" (an otherwise unfrequentable pile of steaming socialistoid shit).
mircea_popescu: cca mid 19th century - definitely post industrial age - people actually traded used underwear. not just young women's used underwear either.
mircea_popescu: labour was so ill esteemed it was actually worth someone's time to take out a shirt front off a shirt and hem in a replacement.
mircea_popescu: fucking phones aren't worth the fix today. but then - shirts.
mircea_popescu: shinohai well, the usg party is ever less confident they'll get much over a summer of forks ; "ethereum is good" was the backup.
mircea_popescu: trinque "it's the community" "which, the supine troop of nobodies crowding the mit soup kitchen ?" "YES! PREMIERE TECHNICAL AND SCIENTIFIC INSTITUTION IN THE WORLD!" "whatever. make sure you teach them how lightbulbs work."
trinque: that shit can die with the body of christ and all other congruent imaginary social aggregates
ben_vulpes: worth a chuckle and an invitation to the wot methinks
mircea_popescu: prolly so. besides, i'm thinking the correct way to handle the whole $bash thing is to have a sort of wot-aws equivalent.
mircea_popescu: o lordy. so 1st xenforo "security" improvement : where the old vbulletin system passed back and forth md5 hashes of passwords (in plain and utf duplicate versions), the improvement just sends it plain.
mircea_popescu: how to get all user credentials for any xenforo forum ? put a box in promiscuous mode en route and listen to the fucking posts.
mircea_popescu: such a pile of shit. the ancient bbsessionhash as unique session identifier has been renamed to xf_session and that's the extent of the changes.
mircea_popescu: and then they had a dispute and the court actually bought the notion one's not copied off the other.
phf: i seem to have a highly useful skill of missing out on b-a drama
a111: Logged on 2016-05-24 12:05 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell pete_dushenski wait, you had a PANDA baby ?!
pete_dushenski: ave already been at the top of the socioeconomic ladder six centuries ago. This persistence is identified despite the huge political, demographic, and economic upheavals that occurred between the two dates.'
☟︎ pete_dushenski: hehe. so what you thought was evidence really wasn't and what you thought was upheaval really wasn't. beautiful, really. the whole charade can't even stand up to a simple registry check despite centuries of dedicated revisionism
mircea_popescu: either that or women tend to marry into wealth and change their name
a111: Logged on 2016-05-25 13:05 BingoBoingo: Well yes. Chicago is a shithole.
mircea_popescu: except "eggs florentine" were named specifically in recognition of those women'z talent at not fathering sons with their husbands.
mircea_popescu: really, the whole exercise is more of a "here\s just how fucking useless your civil registry is" than anything
mircea_popescu: the eggs are drenched in hollandaise ; if two guys fuck a gal it's hard to avoid getting cum on your ballsac.
pete_dushenski: ah k. well i'd rather share a chick than eat anything with hollandaise on it. but maybe i'm not from the right part of the mediterranean.
vc: hi i am here for the party
mircea_popescu: heh. so do $register <fingerprint> so you're part of teh wot.
vc: it's been broken since the raids and I only just recently restored from archive.org so the theme isn't working yet
vc: $register 5CB4 9CDC EAC7 97FB F8BD C074 FD71 AD27 71A5 CC1B
vc: $register 5CB49CDCEAC797FBF8BDC074FD71AD2771A5CC1B
deedbot: 5CB49CDCEAC797FBF8BDC074FD71AD2771A5CC1B registered as vc.
mircea_popescu: $v 1FB0734F97F51A4C2C707882432C58D89E5958B0554E840F65A8E7BBE05AB4C6
deedbot: mircea_popescu rated vc 1 << cock.li hoster
Framedragger: vc: re.
https://box.cock.li/ - do you tolerate responsible and low-bandwidth netscans (TCP SYN and/or ssh-keyscan (which doesn't attempt any ssh auth)) perchance?
mircea_popescu: hey, mind doing an interview with me to be published on qntra ?
vc: sure idk what qntra is though
Framedragger: vc: natural follow-up question: do you think your ip space is included in things like fail2ban lists, then? :)
vc: Framedragger: I don't think so, though I haven't actually received one yet
pete_dushenski: "The Romania-based e-mail admin concluded his video with this proclamation: "It’s raining dicks right now. And the forecast isn’t that good either. There’s a 90 percent chance of dicks tonight and a 90 percent chance of dicks tomorrow."" << gggggold
vc: Framedragger: uh, rather I haven't actually received my ip space yet
vc: mircea_popescu: I dropped out because I was at a shit university and also I had a job where I was making as much as with a degree so I didn't really see the point
vc: since then my decision has been confirmed with professional experience and also I'm travelling the world instead which has been leagues better to me than university ever was
vc: CS, specializing in computer security
mircea_popescu: ever thought of trying something more alligned with the actual purpose of universities, ie, scoring ? dunno, humanities, bidniss, whatever ?
vc: maybe, though I have heard bad things about the university here, I am currently living in romania ;)
mircea_popescu: possibly shittiest city in the whole country. try brasov or cluj or something eh.
Framedragger: vc: k, gotcha. thanks and that's useful to know
vc: it's great, the internet here is very fast and the food is very good :@)
vc: it's also very cheap to live here, considering I still work for a US company
diana_coman: <mircea_popescu> possibly shittiest city in the whole country. try brasov or cluj or something eh <- ahahaa, in that Bucharest is the only *city* as such...
mircea_popescu: i lived there for a few years. 2nd bitcoin conference also held there (timisoara). meanwhile though, moved to argentina.
diana_coman: towns plenty, way better than Bucharest too, sure
vc: someone registered on my public E-mail server and sent threats through my service, I was the only public face other than the police or the school district so I was subject to a lot of media attention
vc: I was all over the news in the US and Romania for 3 or 4 days
mircea_popescu: $rate vc 2 cock.li hoster ; published "secret" supoena back in 2015.
vc: works on my machine (tm)
mircea_popescu: i see. alright, so what are your plans for the future ?
mircea_popescu: $v D4EF258C4C32362B7B34529EA60A5C6351CA4FB37E4BE11D7FA745314F6A0A3D
deedbot: mircea_popescu updated rating of vc from 1 to 2 << cock.li hoster ; published "secret" supoena back in 2015.
shinohai: $rate vc 1 Thanks for mail@nigge.rs as well
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: `nslookup` should say 185.100.85.212; maybe your overzealous hosts policy heh
vc: idk I first got into it in 2010 I think?
shinohai: $v 11CE7949F6FA74F604A385035A422F9C91218E367F81A8ADD854B3E71B6579A7
deedbot: shinohai rated vc 1 << Thanks for mail@nigge.rs as well
vc: mostly just between friends, and buying stuff with bitcoin when it was available
vc: I gave away several bitcoin when they were worth nothing :)
mircea_popescu: how about sec sending supoenas to this romanian-based dude back in 2012, when they were posturing about satoshi dice ?
vc: I do remember satoshi dice, though I don't remember buch past that
mircea_popescu: interesting how fragmented this supposed "bitcoin community" actually is. alright, so what's your plan with the hoster ? what was it, cock.li ?
vc: the former is not-for-profit, the second is for-profit
mircea_popescu: do you plan to pivot from corporate life to independence with it ? or is it just a hobby on the side ? for the lulz ? for the whats ?
vc: the server hardware I purchased can host a maximum of 280 clients with some more memory and disk space, so after I get it up and running and stable then I'm probably going to go for that
vc: I don't think those are necessarily mutually exclusive ;)
mircea_popescu: hehe. so what do you mean "get it up and running and stable" ?
vc: I have literally 0 experience running a VPS provider
phf: "Despite what some may tell you, cock.li does not tolerate abuse of its servers. [...] Due to my privacy policy which protects my user's data, you will probably not receive a response." nice
vc: I have lots of experience as a linux sysadmin, which helps ;)
vc: I dream of a world where I incorporate cock.li and operate and expand a semi-trolling corporation
vc: the way I had it described to me is "almost like ironic professionalism"
vc: also yes, fair point :)
mircea_popescu: do you happen to know the republic has been looking for an actual republican isp ?
vc: I take inspiration from GNAA in that regard, though I think I could make it into an actual profit-producing company
vc: I have no idea of the republic or tmsr I just heard shit was hot and poppin' here so I joined
vc: I almost got married though a couple years ago
vc: (after a 6 year relationship, so it's not like I was jumping in feet-first)
vc: oh, you know, reasons ;)
vc: turned out to be one of the best decisions I've made
vc: not getting married has allowed me to pursue travelling the world and pursuing other ventures
vc: only after it was all over did I realize I'm too damn young to get married
vc: nowhere that's public information :@) though I plan on backpacking most of europe next year
vc: and asia the year after that
mircea_popescu: sounds like a plan eh. so what's your favourite romanian dish ?
vc: I had lunch at Excelsior in Bucharest, if you know that place
vc: I went with an older friend who was a government official before he retired
vc: Excelsior? Nah it was great
vc: I don't really know anything I don't like, though I did see a gypsy shitting in the street about a month ago, that was pretty unsettling
phf: wait till you make it to asia..
vc: how do I do this fancy OTP thing
mircea_popescu: alrighty, anything you want to tell teh readership in closing ?
vc: yes, always follow you are dreams
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo whadda ya think ? acceptabru ? i'll clean it up an' send over.
mircea_popescu: vc it sends you a link, it contains a pgp encrypted thing, you decrypt it and feed it back as $v blabla
phf: vc: what's the time frame on the server being up? "wednesday or thursday"
vc: phf: the hardware is set to get here friday, so it will launch saturday
☟︎ mircea_popescu: so how about you stop dicking around and just colocate some boxes and weld the cages shut ?
vc: I am colocating, and yes physical security is a serious consideration ;)
vc: yeah, I did interviews for digi 24, antena 3, antena 1, and uh whatever the public broadcast one is
vc: most of them falsely claimed I was wanted by the FBI
vc: lmao I haven't seen any
mircea_popescu: listen, romanian tv exists ~ for a single reason : so a group of like minded twentysomething chicks can advertise they're available. goes ~500 bucks unless you're very weird.
☟︎☟︎ vc: I can't tell if you're serious or not
☟︎ mircea_popescu: the system's been around for decades ; i fucked a bunch in my day. recently they tried to close the thing down, arrested gals by the pail, but... from what i hear it didn't take.
☟︎ Framedragger: (man, i just remembered one of the reasons i started hanging around here. these characters and their stories..)
a111: Logged on 2016-05-25 20:41 vc: phf: the hardware is set to get here friday, so it will launch saturday
vc: so how do these chicks advertise themselves? from TV shows, or adverts?
mircea_popescu: you see that she is on tv, and know what that means, pretty much.
vc: what like any female on TV?
mircea_popescu: well no, but any female in the age range with no obvious reason of being there.
mircea_popescu: as they say in poker, the reason IS obvious, just maybe not to you.
mircea_popescu: though credit where credit's due, the italian tv invented the method.
vc: I'd pay $500 to fuck the journalist at antena 1 that interviewed me tbh
vc: haven't found the video of that interview but she was pretty qt
mircea_popescu: so you're an adult, get some contacts in the trade an' ask around. odds being in your favour.
Framedragger: vc: paid for a vps, lemme know if box 'hivc' becomes a nuisance in terms abuse complaints, willya :)
mircea_popescu: ah, right, prolly should get a node. hey vc what do you recommend for bitcoin node ? vps carry it ?
vc: I'm not sure what you're referring to. Are you asking me how I'm doing btc payments?
mircea_popescu: i am asking you, if i intend to run a btc node, ie, a blockchain's worth of gb etc, what's the solution cock.li offers
vc: oh, how large is the blockchain nowadays?
vc: only the 4GB server with 120GB storage would be able to store that, though if running a bitcoind node is your intention then using pure SSD storage may be wasted potential
vc: meaning you may be able to get a better deal elsewhere
vc: oh, well then the 4GB server should do it, at least until the blockchain outgrows that :@)
vc: though I think I should be able to offer expansions to disk space, not sure about that yet
vc: also as of this moment 4 units of space are not currently available on cock box, sadly :(
mircea_popescu: tell you what : i'll buy that, and pay it in advance for a year, provided you install and manage a trb node there.
vc: I do not know what a trb node is
mircea_popescu: basically some usg assholes tried to hijack the bitcoin. trb aka the real bitcoin is the... well, the real bitcoin.
vc: oh I see, I found thebitcoin.foundation
vc: how much bandwidth would something like this use monthly?
mircea_popescu: not terribly much ; i've never measured to average > 1mbps.
mircea_popescu: but at any rate this conversation definitely lays bare just how badly we've missed the boat by not increasing blocksize when usgavin wanted to.
vc: ok yeah cool, so are you asking me to run something independently while you do X on your server? or are you asking me to configure your server myself, setting up the daemon? or are you instead asking me to do nothing except give you your server
vc: ok sure, I can do that
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vc: let me do a bit more research first before I accept your money, want to be sure everything will be fine
vc: is this just a modified bitcoind instance? or something else?
mircea_popescu: vc it's the original bitcoin yes. it's been modified hence.
vc: ok is this like a fork of the main bitcoin network?
vc: I understand that this is a branch of some type from the typical doings of what I know as the bitcoin foundation
mircea_popescu: mno, this is the main bitcoin network. but there are various other forks.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: i ran out of popcorn so ordered some more but bitcoins are not confirming.... chinese hackers??? :/
mircea_popescu: and a bunch of scammers running a faux foundation, also. vessenes & merck et al
mircea_popescu: hey, they ran away screaming when they saw the diminutive khan, also
mircea_popescu: didn't keep him from being the most prolific father in the history of humanity.
vc: hm, I feel I may be missing some details. If you pay me 1.07 BTC will that BTC be usable with services connected to the BTC network such as Coinbase or Newegg?
vc: (I'm trying to figure out whether your bitcoin network is the most popular bitcoin network or a hard fork of another network)
mircea_popescu: there's no actual fork yet, no. bitcoin is still bitcoin.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: actual zoo ? couldn't say if there even is one. aquarium on the lake, indeed!
vc: ok sure, mircea_popescu is this a time-sensitive request? I would prefer to wait until I get all the other services running and analyze the storage situation before I commit to another 120GB of storage
vc: right now the site just filled up a few minutes ago, there is still space left for memory and everything, but the storage is already sold
mircea_popescu: vc take your time. im mostrly trying to support initiative here.
vc: ok sure, I will stay in this channel and I will let you know
Framedragger: vc: it's cool that you don't preemptively block tor. (on that note, fuck cloudflare with a thousand rakes).
mircea_popescu: dayum. one of the best parts of not sending girls out to gym is that you can generally take a break and watch one torture herself.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: re.
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-19#1468545 i spoke with smart folk and i'll consider writing a short design document of some kind, for general and specific criticism. fair warning, will also use that opportunity to to enquire how it can be funded by tmsr / whateva. because can't hurt.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2016-05-19 15:14 mircea_popescu: Framedragger doesn't mean much more than, "the correct path is to take a decent crypto lib, a distributed-hashtable-storage thing from one of the p2p torrent tools, and make a real social media app"
Framedragger: """It has always been much more ambitious, proposing an entire form of literature where links do not break as versions change; where documents may be closely compared side by side and closely annotated; where it is possible to see the origins of every quotation; and in which there is a valid copyright system-- a literary, legal and business arrangement-- for frictionless, non-negotiated quotation at any time and in any amount.
Framedragger: The Web trivialized this original Xanadu model, vastly but incorrectly simplifying these problems to a world of fragile ever-breaking one-way links, with no recognition of change or copyright, and no support for multiple versions or principled re-use. Fonts and glitz, rather than content connective structure, prevail.""" <- sorry i get sentimental easily :/
☟︎ Framedragger: (also, nelson's rules: 1. most people are fools. 2. most authority is malignant. 3. God does not exist. 4. everything is wrong.)
ben_vulpes: usians are generally too broke to maintain a woman much less a family, news at eleven?
ben_vulpes: (much less wife family and other women)
pete_dushenski: all men everywhere ever have been 'generally' too broke to maintain woman, thus polygyny, neh ?
ben_vulpes: but yes celebrate the no children lifestyle, the 'mgtow' lifestyle, the hairshirt environmentalism
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: whole thing reads like 'slave, but only one'
ben_vulpes: "children are a misery, women are a misery, work is a misery, taxes are a misery, the only things to live for are theorems and killing hitler"
☟︎ pete_dushenski: eh children aren't so bad. hell, i don't even mind work these days. taxes and women ? let's just call them a challenge to be risen to.
pete_dushenski: speaking of sarcasm, how goes the little fam, ben_vulpes ? sleeping through the night ?
ben_vulpes: sat up under his own steam the other day, entirely on accident i'm sure.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i wasn't aware the notion of children = unwanted pests is at all controversial. pretty much the only mammals that engage in it do so when they have absolutely no other option, much like poor working classes hitting the gin.
pete_dushenski: my little bruiser is... still a bruiser. no convergence to the mean just yet.
mircea_popescu: even someone as clueless as a medieval noble needed the entire arbitrary structure of male inheritance to be marginally bothered with it,
mircea_popescu: and even then they barely bothered ; and generally the children lived as slaves / war captives. (see the duke of perigord's adventures for a fine example of this)
mircea_popescu: heck, it's amply documented how britain throughout its rise and preeminence treaded middle class children as exactly war captives, even going so far as to switch them around so natural affection won't entice the female to get in the way of mistreatment.
mircea_popescu: "What is almost nonexistent is the childfree housewife - a woman who does not do market labor, is supported by her husband, but does not have children." << bullshit ; slavegirl counts here.
mircea_popescu: funny that the author carefully tries to invent domestic-slavery-without-the-slavery though. oh, really, SHE CUTS HIS HAIR ?!?!?!
a111: Logged on 2016-05-25 22:30 ben_vulpes: "children are a misery, women are a misery, work is a misery, taxes are a misery, the only things to live for are theorems and killing hitler"
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski> asciilifeform: whole thing reads like 'slave, but only one' << ah to you too huh ?
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: you're seeing the beauty of that city now. it's really rather well preserved as a whole. a gleaming testament to the glory days 1870-1930
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes you understand, statistics says exactly nothing about the individual case.
☟︎ pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: the fact that chicago hasn't been able to muster so much as a sneezing fit since then is what's allowed it to be embalmed so well. not all cities are so fortunate as to have only ONE boom.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: speaking of that golden era, you'd probably enjoy 'titan' the jdr bio.
ben_vulpes: i don't know what line of mine you're responding to.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: not that bios are my thing, so i really have little to compare it to. so take the recommendation with a grain of salt.
mircea_popescu: "ciggs are bad for you" "no, they're bad FOR PEOPLE. mine are great for me" "kids suck" "maybe yours" etc.
mircea_popescu: "lottery is a fool's proposition" "i've won five million" etc etc
mircea_popescu: tis not a problem of means and averages asciilifeform ; tis a problem of the definition of terms. there's always exceptions, what's "children" mean, what's "smoking" to be etcetera. and there's no properly systematic way to solve these in any field that is interesting.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: that's what you attempt to do by moving it into the field of plainer mechanics - but it also becomes very banal for the move.
mircea_popescu: girls do a lot of home cooking. you've never had better bread ; or sweets ; or sauces of all kinds ; or soups, or what have you. but is it cheap or is it expensive ? they can not beat the 2.50 mcd meal ; or the 7 dollars for a pound of hershey's sugar goop. which is what people usually complaining of the cost of "natural living" usually eat.
ben_vulpes: and if one gets enough of it, even the $20/plate shit starts to lose its appeal. "what did you bring me? and at what speed? i get better at home in my underwear, and it's salted properly to boot."
mircea_popescu: i was not even thinking of anything under 100 a plate tbh.
mircea_popescu: there's no way for mass market restaurant to compete with dedicated cook of your own training ; not if you're of any taste at least.
☟︎ ben_vulpes: enough of it was ~4 years ago, but w/e
mircea_popescu: so you know ... is it expensive ? well no, if i had to chez victor every day i'd be looking at 1/4 mn p a bills.
mircea_popescu: but yes, my cheap home meals still are outrageous to the guy to whom fiddy bucks'd better be dinner movie + blowjob. and sure, it can be that. ar arby's!
a111: Logged on 2015-02-21 01:19 mircea_popescu: "she's been going through 6-7k each month since autumn, but i get to go visit p diddy whenever i feel like it. it's a wash"
a111: Logged on 2016-05-25 23:24 mircea_popescu: there's no way for mass market restaurant to compete with dedicated cook of your own training ; not if you're of any taste at least.
pete_dushenski: pretty sure arby's has a 2 gyros for $8 deal on atm ;)
mircea_popescu: and just the fact that i can say what i want, and then it magically appears while i irc... what restaurant can do this.
mircea_popescu: i have no idea, but i am persuaded such planet'd suck big time.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-25 23:20 mircea_popescu: tis not a problem of means and averages asciilifeform ; tis a problem of the definition of terms. there's always exceptions, what's "children" mean, what's "smoking" to be etcetera. and there's no properly systematic way to solve these in any field that is interesting.
mircea_popescu: i doubt this. it's more of a cost on women than on men, to begin with.
mircea_popescu: and to delve into mircea_popescu> there's no way for mass market restaurant to compete with dedicated cook of your own training << tis not a matter of it being you know, the evil capitalist being mean and bad for the evulz. it's that they fucking can't. period. girl can, and will, and does make mayo out of eggs and olive oil. how the fuck is 3 man restaurant to do this ? they can't do this. they have to buy it.
mircea_popescu: how am i to not know the difference, immediately, between one or the other ? it simply can not be.
mircea_popescu: it's the denied middle, like chips in runs of 50`000. you can have 1000. you can have 1mn. you can't have a fucking 50k.
mircea_popescu: which goes right back to the whole marriage thing. all the derps excited about how "woman loves to be raped" fail to comprehend that NOT BY YOU OMFG. yes, by that guy, to whom anything is allowed, he can piss on her shirt buttons and she'll save them in her secret girly jool box. what's that do for average joe.
mircea_popescu: this is the trouble with "modern democracy"-es throughout history, they overinnervate the average joe. it's like amphetamine on a historical scale.
mircea_popescu: i just meant settle down in the general sense ; they're kids that ate too much sugary goop.
mircea_popescu: these dudes/dudettes figuring "they should change the world" or w/e the fuck they're figuring, i have no idea. average joe on a mission of ruining his own life because too much tv.
mircea_popescu: a supercharged tachyon can traverse the whole galaxy and not find any matter to interact with.
mircea_popescu: heck, if supercharged enough IT CAN EVEN GO TO 1880 and still nada.
mircea_popescu: i don't think it is normal ; i think it was common, in america, in the 20th century. but not really otherwise.
mircea_popescu: seems the old guy's pushing the young guy to be agitated there. for profit.
mircea_popescu: see, i can appreciate this "1880 street urchin or ru peasant sedated by malnutrition is 'calm'", except the first part is strictly incorrect ; and yet... there's a counter recorded also.
mircea_popescu: but by now i suspect they're mostly artificially agitated.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-25 22:58 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes you understand, statistics says exactly nothing about the individual case.