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asciilifeform: i don't recall any metadata.

nubbins`: asciilifeform the 13.37 haircut is baked into the deal, i don't think any other haircuts are?

danielpbarron: i guess you don't own your fiats either; the fed does or something

mircea_popescu: davout> https://bitbet.us/bet/1249/alphago-will-defeat-lee-sedol-overall-in-march/#c5888 <<< guy has a point << lemme tell you a story. when i was a kid, i don't recall exactly, 5, 6, something, my mother was very sad over i have no idea what - being as i was too young to comprehend the emotions and problems of adults. but to cheer her up i decided to make her a dress! to which purpose i proceeded to cut off the shiny

nubbins`: solrodar i don't think any such moral obligation exists.

phf: there's commit.gpgsign, but i don't see anything for --verify-signatures

mircea_popescu: nah, i generally don't do any of that either.

mrottenkolber: I have absolutely no interest in bitcoin to be honest, don't see the point.

mrottenkolber: I am only mentioning the sha1 option because I don't understand crypto well enough to be able to rationalize the effort of producing a file, with the same sha1sum, with an exploit while the patch still applies.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> phf: you may have been thinking of bash.org ? << i don't think he is and i have a vague recollection of this from the very early 2000s that i also can't place

phf: "i don't speak for hanbot for hanbot has a tongue."

phf: like if forced i could spend rest of life with a dos machine, can't say the same for os x 10.10, but that of course assumes that i somehow don't ever have to work, and in fact live in a "concent" for the rest of life

phf: i don't mean Emacs, but dos emacs is enough for the "i have text, i need to shape text into new text" tasks

asciilifeform: and i don't think i will live long enough to fully exhaust the excellent gamez.

assbot: Logged on 21-03-2016 20:48:01; mod6: I like the idea though. We just don't have the tools yet.

mod6: I like the idea though. We just don't have the tools yet. ☟︎

mod6: but until we all have shit that doesn't suck... we're kinda just waiting until it doens't suck. in the context of blame and "i don't have to /hope/ this thing works, I know mod6 said it does, ergo, it works."

mod6: <+asciilifeform> well, the implicit 'i swear with my life to this' - leaves me reluctant to sign anything i did not write 100% of << and who's to say, even if you wrote everything at one layer, that something doesn't fuck you in the butt from a layer below? we don't have computers. never did.

asciilifeform: i still don't see why we can't have machine-distinguishability of 'i swear this is as i found it 5 years ago' vs 'i read and understood this' vs 'i wrote this and swear with my life that it will not fail'

asciilifeform: my argument is that there is a handful of EXTREMELY common situations re: signing that DON'T resolve to 'i approve of this'

trinque: I don't think all the reasons for "why do I hate" can be represented usefully as a machine-grokkable header

jurov: i don't have acct there, not interested so much as to solve their impossible captchas

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i missed the 'don't talk to folks mircea_popescu killfiled' rule in the handbook ?

nubbins`: no, i don't think you do

mircea_popescu: looky : part of your trying to cope with hanbot's deriding your peculiar notion of responsibility was to come hide under my skirts. i said plox don't come hide under my skirts. that's all.

mircea_popescu: but "i dunno, wasn't there, don't believe" does not actually enact anything. it's just the typical position of the scholar withdrawing from the world.

nubbins`: altho i guess it's mostly a show for folks that don't go back and read the logs

mircea_popescu: let it be stated that i don't wish asciilifeform to be doing any interpreting of what i've said after i'm dead.

mircea_popescu: then i get incensed when derps start with the "~~~~~I~~~~~ don't see how..."

assbot: Logged on 20-03-2016 15:25:22; phf: i don't remember homebrew pulling guile, so it's something gentoo specific. and putting -guile into useflags don't do notin

phf: i don't remember homebrew pulling guile, so it's something gentoo specific. and putting -guile into useflags don't do notin ☟︎

asciilifeform: i don't EVER want capslock to not be ctrl.

assbot: Logged on 20-03-2016 15:04:05; phf: also anyone tried doing a kernel level key rebind before? is that just in config or you need to patch source. i want to switch some keys around, but i don't want to have to do it for every single userland environment

phf: also anyone tried doing a kernel level key rebind before? is that just in config or you need to patch source. i want to switch some keys around, but i don't want to have to do it for every single userland environment ☟︎

thestringpuller: i honestly don't know if I can run as true full node

thestringpuller: fuck. i guess I'll just add watchdog and if logs don't have `ProcessBlock: ACCEPTED` in the last 60 minutes `kill -9 <pid>; ./startrb.sh`

mircea_popescu: perhaps i don't do enough renaissance faires / biker conventions / camping / whatever

mircea_popescu: don't tell me it upregulates to 3a i might fall over.

assbot: Logged on 18-03-2016 14:46:53; BingoBoingo: I don't mind it being used where necessary, but it is still a slave name

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i don't use aliases even in promiscuity. everyone's "vampyre lord" and "celeste" and what the fuck not, i'm mircea popescu

BingoBoingo: I don't mind it being used where necessary, but it is still a slave name ☟︎

mircea_popescu: and yes, I don't intend to follow fiat practice in THIS particular respect : that it's always willing to add complexity for the sake of satisfying fee-fees.

solrodar: yes, and I don't see where you responded to that point

mircea_popescu: i don't credit the "sybils quam sybils" theory.

mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-03-2016#1435633 << i don't use heretic conventions. /n ftw. ☝︎

ben_vulpes: i don't see how it can continue without mods and hosting on the books.

mircea_popescu: phf methinks you may be alone in that interpretation. i for instance don't do the whole "accept as fairitale" thing.

asciilifeform: or is there some ~other~ wotless 'proven practice' i don't know about.

danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-03-2016#1435136 << still having a hard time with this. Wouldn't shifting the nonce just leave you with another nonce? I don't understand how it would line up with multiple nonces.. ☝︎

davout: well i did get that and read it, but i don't have any particular assets or connections other than my wot and history that put me in a particularly better position than others to do the job

assbot: Logged on 15-03-2016 00:55:05; mircea_popescu: i don't think you take my meaning. have you for instance ever auctioned a domain name successfully ? are you well known in those circles ? anything ?

mircea_popescu: i don't get all these people participating in "sealed" pseudo-legal proceedings.

mircea_popescu: but i don't think SUCH hard rape is contemplated at all.

mircea_popescu: except by features i don't mean "features". obviously.

BingoBoingo: I don't know anything of these coasts.

mircea_popescu: i still don't get this. all this derpage from the early days of systemd "it makes servers boot faster"

mircea_popescu: anyway, i wonder why asciilifeform is so convinced that one may only see the truth of things that don't affect them personally.

asciilifeform: i don't have another, functional os buried somewhere

mircea_popescu: trinque i recall me losing my top over this back in 2013ish or w/e the first time bitcoin-idiocy got in the way of bitbet, being told "oh wait, this is an actual problem - we don't resolve problems, we write code here at prb!"

mircea_popescu: "no subway, no travel - i don't own a 1/100000 of the 100`000 spare car meta-pool, nor do i have anything to do that'd justify it."

mircea_popescu: i'm not sure there exists but i'm sure i don't know anything more offensive than the precious derpage in the eastern tradition.

mircea_popescu: i don't think justification was attempted.

mircea_popescu: (and generally i dunno why this shortcircuit between facts and judgement became fashionable here, seems much too close to the habits of the "independent" demographic for comfort. trust me, if i want to say x i will say it in those exact words, as i have without exception to date. saying i don't know x means i do not know. and similarly, here, and so on. i totally can speak for myself, say what i mean etc.)

thestringpuller: i like how bitcoin mining manufacturers don't even shy away about it: "this is the most powerful miner available to ~the public~" what miners are available to the private?

adlai: but i don't think trb should initiate a fork.

mircea_popescu: there's a difference between "i know x" and "i don't know x".

mircea_popescu: i don't fuck guys. ok. so ?

mircea_popescu: adlai i don't see the problem with this objection ? "they are. that's what i'm telling you. you don't use greek bronze weights, do you ?"

mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-03-2016#1433659 << i dunno why you think this odd. as far as my experience goes, 100% of english language literature (long before the days orwell quit and his naive, square jawed colonial subjects took over the pretense of empire) is exactly this "here are our assumptions, which clearly paint us as utterly and hopelessly stupid, let's lampshade it and carry on". i don't think by n ☝︎

mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes ok but i don't get what you're saying here.

assbot: Logged on 15-03-2016 13:22:03; mircea_popescu: in the "i bet you don't understand what the bayesian approach to spam filtering turned into pretend-ai after its failure to filter spam" means for your country : the next step is for most all the jobs that are still left to be replaced by this kind of ai - it's cheaper. so you go to the hair salon and you get a hairdo - 80% of the time. hey, accidents happen, here's a free coupon for another one. and

mircea_popescu: in the "i bet you don't understand what the bayesian approach to spam filtering turned into pretend-ai after its failure to filter spam" means for your country : the next step is for most all the jobs that are still left to be replaced by this kind of ai - it's cheaper. so you go to the hair salon and you get a hairdo - 80% of the time. hey, accidents happen, here's a free coupon for another one. and yes, you want a we ☟︎

nubbins`: i think he got mad because a bunch of poor renters who don't own computers weren't able to find the time to get on irc, find #b-a, take a photograph of themselves holding a sign, set up a btc wallet, &c &c &c &c &c

nubbins`: phf: "solicited a judge from the wot" is meaningless, unless you know something i don't.

ben_vulpes: "great idea! i guess we don't need any custom software after all."

phf: ben_vulpes: i suspect they don't know what they are doing

mircea_popescu: no, bitbet was, at least the first incarnation, shivad together by kakobrekla in... whatr was it, two weeks or something, i don't recall exactly.

adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=01-03-2016#1418943 << "i don't know i was very drunk at the time" (not trademarked, iirc i didn't even get liner note credits) ☝︎

assbot: Logged on 14-03-2016 22:22:18; phf: but as an advertisement platform for mpex and steady stream of income for investors i don't see ~anything~ wrong with bitbet. my current interpretation is that a lot of various people overreacted and a sure thing was killed.

mircea_popescu: anyway - i appreciate your offer to help, and i don't think it can be summarily dismissed. it has its obvious weaknesses which you may consider improving.

mircea_popescu: well good, but i don't think he's buying. at any rate, so what do you plan to do to actually get cash out of the goods ? list them for sale somewhere ? simply run an auction here ? details help.

mircea_popescu: i don't think you take my meaning. have you for instance ever auctioned a domain name successfully ? are you well known in those circles ? anything ? ☟︎

phf: but as an advertisement platform for mpex and steady stream of income for investors i don't see ~anything~ wrong with bitbet. my current interpretation is that a lot of various people overreacted and a sure thing was killed. ☟︎☟︎

asciilifeform: i don't generally ask such questions because i am not dumb enough to expect answer.

BingoBoingo: Who knows, maybe after reciever cuts it up Betmoose would be willing to buy parts and carry it as the sort of reddit betting thing they've been somehow floating for a while. I don't know if I would bet there, but seems like possible buyer for domain/software.

jurov: yes, i understand it too. i only don't understand the "can't be valued" part.

jurov: asciilifeform: i don't see anything like that in this case

asciilifeform: and, like most folks direly missing a tool, come to believe that 'i don't need screwdriver, hammer's claw in expert hands is always just as good or better'

PeterL: I still don't see the need for any malisciousness, just somebody holding it in some sort of "side mempool"

mats: http://log.b-a.link/?date=14-03-2016#1432527 << as i've been reading it, the 17btc is still in dispute? i don't want to be in the position of resolving this, but i'd be happy to audit whatever coins still reside in s.bbet public (or not) addresses and publish results

phf: PeterL: oh from ~sale~ you mean. i don't think that shareholders have any claim to sale. since it's a zero asset corporation, the only movable part is "bets come in, percentage collected, payment sent out". "assets" is the percentage that's collected at the end of month, and immediately distributed to shareholders. what is being sold is domain/codebase and a negotiation rights with mp for hosting. that was never funded by shareholders

mircea_popescu: it's a disease of the mind that i don't really think can be cured, just quarantined.

mircea_popescu: 50 bux or something, i don't recall exactly.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: but thus far i don't see how the bet is difficult to resolve. the presumption is that the game was legit, no? barring actual proof of shenanigans ?

mircea_popescu: and to disabuse THAT notion, i don't personally think stalin was either very apt, very smart, or any sort of example to be followed. is, indeed, a notable example for all sorts of things,

asciilifeform: i don't know which direction detonator in claymore unscrews, either.

asciilifeform: snorera: i'm pretty sure i don't meet at least 4 or 5 of the qualifications.

ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2016#1431714 << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-03-2016#1432045 << upon consideration the (absurd! ridiculous! i don't understand how the world works!) schelling point is for kakobrekla and mircea_popescu to split the haul ☝︎☝︎

thestringpuller: I'll text-ify it later. But I guess point it, don't you think computational power plays a role in what AI does in practice?