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a111: Logged on 2016-12-17 13:25 mircea_popescu: this didn't seem worth the evaluation so i passed it) a "pyramid of science" pecking order may well be involved, in the sense that "oh, we learned null sets in kindergarten" and phf's english, while formally fine, does not actually serve him well enough to convey this difference i don't suspect. g) what's "das man" ? h) how did ph
mod6: yeah, that could probably be a decent feature there. i do recall phf talking about it.
asciilifeform: phf: my sense of joke will come back when i'm done hand-testing the rng boards tonight and finally vacuum seal the last of'em
mircea_popescu: mod6 seems more like you want phf's bot to have an irc submission interface ?
asciilifeform: phf: eh what annotation
asciilifeform: danke phf !!
mod6: It could place those in, just as it does regular deeds.. I'd say, if anyone is a good lisp dev (phf, whomever) to work with trinque to get this feature put into place.
mod6: phf: oh i get it. i lead by example with trb on this. there is no good solution here. we do not want blobs in V, and somewhere between a-z you end up with a blob that must get signed along with the vpatches.
mircea_popescu: this didn't seem worth the evaluation so i passed it) a "pyramid of science" pecking order may well be involved, in the sense that "oh, we learned null sets in kindergarten" and phf's english, while formally fine, does not actually serve him well enough to convey this difference i don't suspect. g) what's "das man" ? h) how did ph ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-16 17:49 phf: oh, shit, we've got a reddit consensus over here
trinque: phf, where I got offboard with you was http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-16#1584235 ☝︎
asciilifeform: btw phf do you think we could get a src viewer in your vtron that makes this kind of thing apparent to naked eye?
ben_vulpes: phf is your man for that
pete_dushenski: phf: asciilifeform my research says that the nissan micra less than cad$10k, which is about $usd7.5, but sadly for you both, our good friend carlos ghosn saw fit not to sell it to you lot. sfyl ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Nah, I just forgot to ever rate phf for his work.
trinque: it wasn't reactionary at all. now all my ratings of phf are 10.
deedbot: BingoBoingo rated phf 2 << Kiln dried, solid work wrapping Republican proceedings with webs
Framedragger: hey i thought trinque unrating phf was a stupid reactionary thing. don't use this as a red herring.
mircea_popescu: HAD HIGHER EXPECTATION FROM YOU phf !!!
deedbot: trinque unrated phf.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-16 16:58 phf: trinque: you're very confused
mircea_popescu: lol phf up in arms.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-16 15:30 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-16#1583902 << http://clhs.lisp.se/Body/f_everyc.htm where (every (lambda () nil) ()) => t (some (lambda () t) ()) => nil. this is a functional equivalent of and/or macros, where (and) => t and (or) => nil
shinohai: phf is the nifty dragon you put between log schism still there?
mircea_popescu: phf dude you gotta try the caster. it's the night of reason, so i got summon skeletons; summon skeleton archers and summo nzombies on the main + summon zombies and summon floating sword ON THE PET. that's like 40 different things ; and a sort of chain lightning that goes through walls. (summons also work through walls).
mircea_popescu: phf what did you play, caster ?
a111: Logged on 2016-12-15 23:38 phf: magic artifact from our own tmsr wizard, cures boils and sours milk
asciilifeform: phf: 'Экстракт против мышей, бородавок и пота ног. Капля этого же экстракта, налитая в стакан воды, превращает его в водку, а две капли -- в коньяк "Три звездочки". Этот же экстракт излечивает от облысения и тайных пороков. Он же лучшее средство
pete_dushenski: phf: but does alf float ?
asciilifeform: phf building nostalgiatron ?
asciilifeform: phf: what was this? 'xplane' ?
pete_dushenski: phf: we have year-round ice rink... in shopping mall.
asciilifeform: phf: of course
asciilifeform: phf: news to me...
asciilifeform: maybe phf or trinque or whoever, has half of this, and now can more easily come up with other half.
asciilifeform: has phf properly absorbed all of it ?
mircea_popescu: phf how you mean ?
asciilifeform: phf: thread was about hypothetical 'vtronic gentoo'
asciilifeform: phf: possibly
asciilifeform: phf: how is a binary turdolade installer comparable with portage?!
asciilifeform: phf: i still have multi-GB stash of koi8
mircea_popescu: phf as per naggumg quote ; quite exactly my mind too : there not existing cleverness is more valuable to the empire-of-idiots than any gains from clevernesses they realise.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-13 17:16 phf: davout: it's easier to find an instructor, than it is to "find any private pilot". plus you know asciilifeform objection "i don't know any private pilots"
a111: Logged on 2016-12-13 16:59 phf: dc is kind of shitty that they (very few flight schools closebuy, with a lot of wealthy people learning to fly), but there was airport near philly where you could flag any of their instructors and they'd love to fly you around however long you want whether or not you commit to you "recreational" license
asciilifeform: phf: you have the joystick, pedals, etc. also ?
asciilifeform: phf: i can watch dashcams on youtube for 0 $
Framedragger: phf: thanks for pointing me in the right direction. scriba now reads log as byte sequence, tries decoding each line as utf-8, if that fails, then does latin-1. seems to be fine.
asciilifeform: anybody ask you, phf ?
mircea_popescu: phf the "now has!" "it's not clear what the thing it "has" is GOING TO do" is already 100% graham-retardation
asciilifeform: phf: tracks also have variable geometry of turn
asciilifeform: phf: pcb has track thicknesses, and also meanders (tracks whose shape is hard-specified)
asciilifeform: phf, mircea_popescu : that's aaaalmost all of it. you also need, in especially large schematics, to collapse buses into single, thick lines (in 'eagle', normally blue, but it does not matter, so long as distinct) and the leadouts from said buses are normal nets, which are marked.
mircea_popescu: <phf> asciilifeform: in the worst case is there more required than a w/h for each defcomponent, x/y for each make-instance component and (list (x y) ...) for eah make-instance route? <
asciilifeform: phf: which?
asciilifeform: phf: i had very spiffy planetarium for msdos, but sadly forgot what it was called
asciilifeform: and yes, phf has it
asciilifeform: phf: this is correct, but i will point out that schematic is easier problem than pcb -- schematic traces take up 0 space, and the crossing penalty is merely aesthetic rather than physical
asciilifeform: phf: unsurprisingly. and the eventual model is chinese google
asciilifeform: phf: aha, it is not as simple as simply throwing away 'after 3rd decimal place' or the like.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-12 03:46 phf: fwiw that solution works reasonably with btcbase (right now it's not used, but it picks up a README from each patches folder and cats it inline before the graph, so i can add a "here's all the additional stuff that you might need for this v tree")
a111: Logged on 2016-12-12 03:49 phf: you verify vpatch using its sig, you verify additional assets using their sig. you can't verify that the set is exhaustive though
a111: Logged on 2016-12-12 02:58 phf: this is more like watching a millenarian speak on a subject of his avocation than anything else
a111: Logged on 2016-12-12 02:51 phf: i will flatten this shit, or help me god. so far the solution i figured that doesn't require writing code or using dodgy third party software is to use the video as a material texture inside a sphere in blender. with some 3d space camera shuffling i can produce two separate video streams, one of knuth and one of slides, but the result looks like dog so far.
asciilifeform: phf: if you get a usable output, plz consider posting.
asciilifeform: phf: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/ApmIh/?raw=true << same example but before i stripped out the comments
asciilifeform: phf: with which the = ends up comparing the output of X
asciilifeform: phf: it is the known result
asciilifeform: and i find myself agreeing with phf
mircea_popescu: ^ phf did it correctly.
mircea_popescu: phf i have nfi what he's on about. seems to me totally broken gimp install.
mircea_popescu: phf do you have gimp anywhere ?
asciilifeform: where the fuck did the butterfly missile valves come from phf !
a111: Logged on 2016-12-11 19:14 phf: binary blobs remain an unsolved problem. the whole idea of binary (or base64) is contrary to some of the more philosophical aspects of vpatch you and mp like to discuss, so i don't know if base64 even solves it.
mircea_popescu: see, there's many problems here, and phf correctly identifies the general case in http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-11#1581294 ; for eg : what if i want to scale ? ☝︎
mircea_popescu: phf yes but can we come up0 with a general no blob solution ?
jurov: i think phf means that everything should be converted into text representation
mircea_popescu: phf suppose you make an ai expert system to beat us at go. this gives you two practical options : either include 10gb worth of binary flags preset ; or else have us beat it at go for 10 centuries before it gets to where it plays like a freshly fucked 19yo. ☟︎
asciilifeform: phf: there is only 1 problem , it leaves me with a useless genesis.
asciilifeform: phf: i can see this angle very well
mircea_popescu: phf trinque mod6 does this notion sound as idiotic to you as it does to him ?
mircea_popescu: no, we'll have phf indulge us, nuke specific magic string from log, replace it with something. LETS BUILD UNICODE!
mircea_popescu: phf not so. the rsa part is NOT magic char driven.
mircea_popescu: phf these are palleative solutions, you understand i'm sure. the fundamental problem here is that clearisgn is a "magic char" driven thing like nonsense "nullterm" string constructions
asciilifeform: phf: no promisetronics plox
asciilifeform: phf: do say!
asciilifeform: and so did phf !!
asciilifeform: phf: mutilating and complicating vdiff or v is the very last thing i'm interested in.
asciilifeform: phf: however, omitting the schems from the genesis is also sinful.
asciilifeform: phf: it is a sinful thing to do
asciilifeform: phf: i could easily write proggy that eats a binturd and produces a vdiff-harmless shell script that, when executed, disgorges same. but the IDEA, yes, bothers me
asciilifeform: phf: understand that the schematic as represented in the png is what ended up as the board. whereas if i were to redraw it by hand, that is an additional PROMISE
asciilifeform: phf: if you want to suggest a solution that doesn't reduce to my a) or b) or any c) that delays shipment for month+, i'm all ears.
asciilifeform: phf: fact is, they are not born in that form, and can only be converted to it by hand, with the attendant errors and weeks of necessary double, triple, dodecuple check
asciilifeform: phf: fact is, the schematics are a) human readable b) essential to the device c) not ascii
asciilifeform: phf: i have: 1) fg-genesis.vdiff 2) fg-genesis.vdiff.asciilifeform.sig
asciilifeform: phf, trinque, et al : is it yet possible to throw a vpatch into deedbot ?
mircea_popescu: btw phf / anyone doing logwork : diana_coman did some stuff back in 2014 http://www.ossasepia.com/2014/07/17/get-one-just-like-bitcoin-people/
a111: Logged on 2016-12-09 19:36 asciilifeform: phf: to quote one such 'speshul trainflake' i encountered once, 'you should be making me an offer, and not asking me to do tricks'
asciilifeform: phf: it is not a trivial change, because if you are not careful you can end up in solipsist world where you can be driven into chain split by a d00d mining on old rusty ford pinto
ben_vulpes: thanks phf