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asciilifeform: ( spoiler: also demanded 'wine', and with in the end same result as mp's 3d card )
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-23#1919706 << for one reason or another, it's what ~always happens. INCLUDING in "works by itself" ubuntu, as i think i've recently documented beyond all fucking possible degree of intolerable tedium. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-04-11 15:29 asciilifeform: speaking of which, apparently AS OF TODAY gentoo portage latest ver DEMANDS gpg2.
asciilifeform: i admit, expected a little moar speedup from asmism, so pretty curious why < 2.5x as it is
trinque: the cumulative work on gentoo was wasted cycles if portage is undesired, as most of the work was around capturing portage in a given state
a111: Logged on 2019-06-23 00:03 lobbes: however on second run-through I indeed went back to read the scripts in tandem with the gentoo handbook (so as to actually understand what was going on) and produced a bootable genesis that verified >> http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/02/a-bridge-to-cuntoo-for-the-lenovo-x61-x86_64/
mp_en_viaje: well, that's what i thought as well.
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-23#1919625 - s.mg test is running proto-cuntoo (non-musltronic) so not latest, no; there was this http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-27#1875228 and http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-09#1901069 ; as long as there is the CS dependency still on server, a move to static & musltronic only is also likely to be a lot of work. ☝︎☝︎☝︎
spyked: oh I see. I could do something like that, as in http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/08b-feedbot-ii.html#selection-150.0-167.116 . but IMHO the btcbase referencing style makes more sense for code
spyked: for the moment all my notes are in a text file that's going to grow into a blogpost as soon as it has a head and a tail
a111: Logged on 2019-06-22 13:57 mircea_popescu: the sort of "before publishing, I'm making sure" idiocy is exactly, but i do mean exactly, of the same substance as the fat girl's "this donut has no calories". it uses the exact same parts of the brain in the exact same way.
mircea_popescu: responsibility is a fine and great thing indeed ; but it's not mechanizable, as part and parcel of why we have a wot as it is rather than as the lulzentreprise everyone else imagines it to be.
diana_coman: I rather saw it as "can't do this alone, need help but won't ask because it should come naturally"
diana_coman: oh, I don't know if it's re self-worth; rather interpreting the "not fully load-in-head" as "not read"
mircea_popescu: in any case the "i am of the republic, i will now base my self worth on the qty and amt of loading-in-head my works get" is, as of yet, a recipe for eternal sadness. this is a new rather than old republic.
diana_coman: re reading of stuff I guess there is also the difference between one reading and full load-in-the-head; it struck me that people would want others to do more load-in-the-head of what they produce so as to get finer-detail feedback
mircea_popescu: and this paroxistic-avoidant approach worries me universally, phf is stuck in the exact same rut, for instance. i have never in my life seen this approach to things work. not once, not FUCKING ONCE, and this is all the more indicative as it's one of the most commonly deployed broken strategies. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: rather than in the normal, and correct manner in which things are discussed, as they are noticed, to get to their bottom, which is then gotten to and marked as such and things move on, with the bottom in question an ever-reliable reference always at the ready for having been correctly found, and always visible just under the skin of things, for having been correctly found.
mircea_popescu: whereas usg.blue reads not-at-all, never ever no matter what ; and usg.red reads always-aforehand. both of these idiocies, equally idiotic as they find themselves, are therefore always found in some uneasy truce. but you can't properly notate "read on 2nd pass" as "didn't read" or "won't read".
mircea_popescu: this is exactly cosubstantial with the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919401 inquiry : "reading everything aforehand" as a strategy is just as dysfunctional as any other idealism aka premature optimization. there's a fucking reason republican doctrine is "do it by hand first, automate later, and those parts that actually need it and benefit from it, rather than randomly and abstractly like the pantsuit do". ☝︎
mircea_popescu: as i sit here now, there's things around me i've never read. serial numbers on smoke detectors, handling and caring labels on rugs, brand names on plaster and wall insulation facing inside, towards the wall. i am not about to tear the place apart to read all possible strings around me. i might, ~if need be~, of course. but not before.
lobbes: however on second run-through I indeed went back to read the scripts in tandem with the gentoo handbook (so as to actually understand what was going on) and produced a bootable genesis that verified >> http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/02/a-bridge-to-cuntoo-for-the-lenovo-x61-x86_64/ ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2019-06-22 16:43 asciilifeform: re: loose ends: fwiw asciilifeform did in fact add the final missing piece to mipstron. BUT! can't test with the dummkopf's orig linux image as he... guess wat, his system had little-endian word accesses but big-endian byte read/write ! so his image in fact will boot on NO existing mips, nor any afaik other emulator.
mircea_popescu: you don't mean "pls try again" as in, issue command again ? as opposed to "put !!v strings in again" ? do you ?
mircea_popescu: in this context then, if we decide we like the "packages" abstraction, for whatever reason, the obvious solution would be to maintain ebuilds of various vtrees as packages, and emerge them into a desired pile together.
asciilifeform: corollary to this q : how would a 'trb ebuild' differ from the trb vtree as it stands ?
mircea_popescu: the fundamental problem here is the implicit dwim-ism involved in "i don't have a vax/dec/cuisinart, i have a COMPUTER, as in the abstract"
a111: Logged on 2019-06-02 03:43 mircea_popescu: all joking aside : the best answer i could produce for the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-01#1916471 question stands as "choose between steamos and ubuntu", which in plain terms is "do you wish to make your computer a supernintendo and buy virtual cartridges for it ? or would you rather make your computer a mobile phone ?"
asciilifeform: there cannot be any such thing as nondeterministic process in vpress
trinque: ebuilds are on their 6th or 7th format revision; they're as much imperative code as they're declarative metadata
mircea_popescu: i personally doubt such a thing as a lisp portage can be made. but then again i have no coding experience.
diana_coman: fwiw re gprbuild and legacy c/cpp-ism: cal3d lib builds with gprbuild absolutely fine; CS however not at all and it's not a trivial thing to port it either as far as I could tell at a quick look.
mircea_popescu: if gotta-have-python anyway, why am i wasting spyked's time with hutch&hoot, might as well use python for scripting.
mircea_popescu: trinque, do me a favour an' state the problem in yoru own words so as to see how synced we're here
asciilifeform: it'd be a very trivial ebuild, lol. given as uses gprbuild, which actually worx correctly.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re 'ebuilds', as i understand trinque's angle was/is to organically replace gentoo's ebuild duct tape with vtron
mircea_popescu: i am not even disputing that. i think large projects (ie, again, eulora) used it as a ... well, default evil. "gotta use something, wtf can do".
mircea_popescu: and the reasons we wanted v were very much specifically and centrally "so such a thing as portage is can NOT be had, and such problems as it solves can not be solved"
mircea_popescu: if we wanted fucking portage we could have just imported portage. but i think we just as deliberately did NOT want it ; we wanted v.
mircea_popescu: is the idea here "ebuild as an automake" ?
Mocky: in practice it's 2 players only and considered a feature of the physics engine, even so often laggy as hell
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/06/oregon-government-in-chaos-as-minority-party-boycotts-pantsuit-legislation/ << Qntra -- Oregon Government In Chaos As Minority Party Boycotts Pantsuit Legislation
asciilifeform: ( qemu, imho, as it stands, is garbage )
trinque: as for me, I will still have to batch my efforts since I am not independently wealthy
asciilifeform: imho a Trooly Sane arch ought not to even permit sub-word addressing. as e.g. lispm did not.
asciilifeform: re: loose ends: fwiw asciilifeform did in fact add the final missing piece to mipstron. BUT! can't test with the dummkopf's orig linux image as he... guess wat, his system had little-endian word accesses but big-endian byte read/write ! so his image in fact will boot on NO existing mips, nor any afaik other emulator. ☝︎☟︎☟︎
bvt: after ffa I will have a look at other things (like ripping out kernel rng, having another look at gnat-arm64 internals, as it seems there is no ongoing work on this front atm). i expect to get something useful as a result, and maintain it in long term.
asciilifeform: i suppose taking day job as astrologer went ok for kepler. but he was after all kepler. did not go well for asciilifeform .
mircea_popescu: nfi, he's as private as a virgin teen.
mircea_popescu: the procedure, transparently from empirical data as well as doubtless following their bayesian deductive logic would be, that since they no longer have the capacity to nuke anyone, it then follows they'll necessarily win a nuke war -- in the imagination.
mircea_popescu: which makes me believe republican format otp should actually come as xxxx xxxx xxxx xxxx xxxx xxxx xxxx xxxx [yyyy] blocks
a111: Logged on 2019-06-22 06:47 mp_en_viaje: we have no workable bitcoin nor any sort or kind of measurable progress towards one ; we have no working os, and not only is there no progress towards one but as best as i can discern the situation's rather turning in the direction of "buried in concrete" ; we eminently do not have any sort of meat acquisition system going, while pizarro can't get customers and all dpb can be bothered to do is ~USE IT~ to try and get meat for th
mircea_popescu: the sort of "before publishing, I'm making sure" idiocy is exactly, but i do mean exactly, of the same substance as the fat girl's "this donut has no calories". it uses the exact same parts of the brain in the exact same way. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, yes, just as long as we're not looking at june specifically. not to mention managing BingoBoingo / pizarro, such that the man has nfi what the cost structure's like and so following.
a111: Logged on 2019-06-22 06:58 mp_en_viaje: and yes ima negrate dpb just as soon as i get to my main keys, he's too fucking busy to http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-12#1918049 while http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-20#1919091 all day long ? because what, what the fuck's this republic, everyone's suburban helicopter mom, to roll eyes at while eating her sandwiches and thinking about how to steal shit from the house to curry favour with a bunch of morons in school ?
a111: Logged on 2019-06-22 06:58 mp_en_viaje: and yes ima negrate dpb just as soon as i get to my main keys, he's too fucking busy to http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-12#1918049 while http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-20#1919091 all day long ? because what, what the fuck's this republic, everyone's suburban helicopter mom, to roll eyes at while eating her sandwiches and thinking about how to steal shit from the house to curry favour with a bunch of morons in school ?
danielpbarron: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-22#1919170 << i was waiting for them to get it working, as i irc from the pizarro shared host, and it was down for a day ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-06-22 06:36 mp_en_viaje: besideswhich big round nothing, Mocky 's latest accomplishment as far as anyone knows would be http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-27#1915592 ; phf 's latest accomplishment as far as anyone knows is http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-10#1917869
mp_en_viaje: one gotta train, yes, out of the question such a prince naseem idiocy as the figther who doesn't train. but training alone does not make the pie.
mp_en_viaje: bvt, so what's your idea going forward anyway ? are you basically going to be doing some ffa as you fiat overlod permit now and again, so by the end of 2019 you can look at having completed chapter 22 or somesuch, and that'll have been it ?
mp_en_viaje: and yes ima negrate dpb just as soon as i get to my main keys, he's too fucking busy to http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-12#1918049 while http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-20#1919091 all day long ? because what, what the fuck's this republic, everyone's suburban helicopter mom, to roll eyes at while eating her sandwiches and thinking about how to steal shit from the house to curry favour with a bunch of morons in school ? ☝︎☝︎☟︎☟︎
mp_en_viaje: we have no workable bitcoin nor any sort or kind of measurable progress towards one ; we have no working os, and not only is there no progress towards one but as best as i can discern the situation's rather turning in the direction of "buried in concrete" ; we eminently do not have any sort of meat acquisition system going, while pizarro can't get customers and all dpb can be bothered to do is ~USE IT~ to try and get meat for th ☟︎
mp_en_viaje: leaving aside how a rate of progress of 0 items / week for week after week after livelong week puts extremely low demands on my time and attention -- far, far from requiring it be a central locus of my focus, republican 2019 as seen so far would have worked just as well if i gave it an hour biweekly, and i don't mean twice a week, i mean every other week -- there's just no need to keep the engine running on big brutus for the "j ☟︎
mp_en_viaje: besideswhich big round nothing, Mocky 's latest accomplishment as far as anyone knows would be http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-27#1915592 ; phf 's latest accomplishment as far as anyone knows is http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-10#1917869 ☝︎☝︎☟︎
BingoBoingo: Aite, the shared machine UY1 as been given some new IPs, going to start bringing sites online
mircea_popescu: as a factual matter, you know going into the game that sooner or later, this sorta thing will happen.
asciilifeform: near as i can tell , he's been doing only this, and for more than yr
asciilifeform: (given as lives on uy1)
asciilifeform: atm even piz's own www is unplugged as result of this.
asciilifeform: a heathen isp at this pt would've either dropped his subscription or charged tenfold. but we aint a heathen isp, and for so long as subscriber is willing to pay the actual cost of what he is eating, we gotta service him.
asciilifeform: ( as was, e.g., diana_coman's rk & qntra )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: as i said, dulap was entirely reachable last time.
asciilifeform: exactly from same school of thought as, e.g., 'aslr'
asciilifeform: ftr the item in q is more commonly known as 'stack canary'
mircea_popescu: wine necessarily fucks around with the stack, as part of what it DOES.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform oh, there's no such thing as sorta-clean toilet.
mircea_popescu: it didn't work ALWAYS, and yes, precisely dr. dos problem as you describe it.
asciilifeform: problem as it is, is even older than linuxism -- recall in '90s, 'dr-dos', and how worked with only ~some~ msdos proggies but not others, given as people wrote 'for msdos', i.e. intimately wedded to the bugs and undocumented misfeatures etc
asciilifeform pretty certain he'd remember if had seen such a thing as described above
mircea_popescu: in other lulz : you may build and even install a proper wine (ie, configured without the derp-ass gcc "stack protection", that evidently doesn't work) ; and it'll even work, system-wide. however that doesn't mean playonlinux won't stick to its sadder, older version. and of course you can't just force-copy symlinks over in its holy directory, because they're all brokenly relative, and gns resolution works as shown in that p
a111: Logged on 2019-06-02 15:50 mircea_popescu: remarkable just how useless computers are these days. so first, i chugged in 2gb of ubuntu. the moment it came up it wanted to get a further 450mb of "updates". then it turns out ~every game out there has pretty much outsourced its distribution (and, i suspect, debugging, such as it is) to steam (with a minor gog presence as well). so you gotta install steam. that's only 50mb or so, but a third layer by now.
mircea_popescu: in other, ongoing lulz of the endless saga : "*** stack smashing detected ***: <unknown> terminated" << wine (as bundled with the shitty ubuntu in question, v 3.0-1) abuses "stack protection" to crash perfectly fine programs (in this case, king's bounty - warriors of the north).
mircea_popescu: ~same look and feel as that klonk, "we hacked up some old slot machines" "why ?" "dunno"
BingoBoingo: Consider https://www.maritimesales.com/PI12.htm allegedly sold for a bit more 550k USD, but as submarine comes with substantially higher maintenance and crew costs
asciilifeform: hang up the patek philippes as sail riggings.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: china is always separate conversation. they dun get hit by pirates either, as it is known that they piss on 'no armed merchants' treaty and have full selection of e.g rpg7 on board
asciilifeform: as i understand, the world of rich folx 'not in a hurry to anywhere' is gone, yes
mircea_popescu: the yacht-as-it-was-used was a better-alternative-to-airplane+airport-plebcombo. slower (in the good sense -- anyonre recall the "downshifiting" 90s thing ?), not much more expensive (if you travel business class and 5 star hotel, you end up paying for summering in the carribean ~same as the cost to own yacht, give or take), infinitely more pleasant.
mircea_popescu: the yacht-as-a-place-to-live thing was, whatever, poor village farmhands imagining among themselves a consensus as to how riveters work goes in the big city up on those tall buildings.
asciilifeform: incidentally, while on subj -- and i did even try to warn pete -- folx who abuse fg as 'collectible stamp' set themselves up for hurt, unlike patek etc thing is quite deliberately designed to be simple to replicate, lacks any form of serial numeration etc, and the only tests are for mechanical correctness, where all units built to spec pass, whether orig by asciilifeform, or by zimbabwe, or martians.
a111: Logged on 2017-02-03 05:29 phf: my mom had one of those "papa escaped the purges by burning all paperwork but life got tough when they took our governess" piano teachers, who would lament about being forced to teach peasants and brown folk, not on racial grounds as much as "you have to have a bidet in your house for 3 generations, before you can touch a piano"
asciilifeform: '...with the pretty and delightfully well-mannered girls who spoke to their mother in English and their father in what sounded like Flemish – was the crystallised product of – who knows ? – perhaps as many as ten generations of fine breeding...'
asciilifeform misread, for moment, as 'puta del este'
asciilifeform: it aint nearly as repulsive as the bob becks who get their 'feels of elite' from sipping clitler's cuntjuice, but still imho equally snore
asciilifeform: afaik (b) largely consisted of folx whose 'work' was to play in orchestra, or as 'capo', and similar.
a111: Logged on 2019-06-19 16:02 mircea_popescu: exactly as per http://trilema.com/2013/what-is-art/ ; "why is this science ? cuz hilary says so. and who the fuck is hilary ? she's the one scientists claim god has anoin^H^H^H^H like very much and agree with"
BingoBoingo: Kinda the point. They try to min-max for unimpressiveness so as to NOT be read
mircea_popescu: go hunting the africans, basically, as principal tropical activty.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's exactly 0 connection between the 99% and any productive activty. in fact, you need about 500k or so people to run the entire world as it now stands
mircea_popescu: exactly as per http://trilema.com/2013/what-is-art/ ; "why is this science ? cuz hilary says so. and who the fuck is hilary ? she's the one scientists claim god has anoin^H^H^H^H like very much and agree with" ☟︎