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asciilifeform: incidentally you get best attributes of both if you harness them as i described, via otpxor
asciilifeform: at any rate it is just as easily implemented on pmachine as rsa. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: iirc there is a proof it is as secure as rsa.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo by following qntra link, i fell upon http://trilema.com/2014/the-woes-of-altcoin-or-why-there-is-no-such-thing-as-cryptocurrencies/#comment-117679 which i suppose explains http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-01#1692327 ☝︎
mircea_popescu: (believe it or not, the 18 byte lulz is actually specificed as such, https://archive.is/QYKu5#selection-3121.6-3121.789 ; worth a read, has null IV and all sorta gems)
mircea_popescu: (the rsa forgery comment was re sig ^ e mod n || sig mod n always verifies as validly signed.)
mircea_popescu: so you want to take a message m, add that many random bits to it, and then add twice that many bits as a hash of the pile, thereby using 25% of the space for the plaintext ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, well, everything has problems. but there's a difference between using a crc as hash and using a crc as checksum ; and using say sawed-barrel keccak (take first or last x bytes, whatever) isn't all that good because it's really not designed for fragment behaviour like that, nor was such studied
asciilifeform: ( if anyone recalls my sageprobe crack ? that was as simple as it was because the thing used crc as hash... )
mircea_popescu: as alf says : "something to all comers". primo target of ddos monkeys.
mircea_popescu: PeterL and as asciilifeform aptly points out, this happens to be convenient, because it's right around the size of the nonfragmenting udp packet.
PeterL: alright, so my scheme pads everything to the length of the key, but as I understand it still has to be smaller than the key n?
mircea_popescu: that's what i meant earlier with the e-root. if say your key is 1024 bits, and your exponent is 3, and your "encrypted" message is, numerically, 1404928, i can readily extract the cube root and find the original as 112.
mircea_popescu: basically they had this early elliptic curve crypto, implemented as an arbitrary cone on which they wrapped a string. because the string is fixed length see, whereas the section of cone is not. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: because udp packets if nothing else ; besides "longer" is not the same as endless.
mircea_popescu: c (in that order), where R and S are produced by mpfhf(m') with R len set to c (bitness same as bitness of len(Pm). Pm will be the padded message sent to RSA. The recipient will have to undo mpfhf with known R and S to obtain m.
mircea_popescu: anyway, let it be said that there's nothing wrong with oaep as far as we know, but for the sake of argument a mpfhf based padding scheme would conceivably work like this : 1. given message m, of length l, generate r = random bits, of length l' up to l but not less than 256 bits. 2. compose m' = r + m + c (in that order), where c is l - l` (and its bitness is always same as the bitness of len(m')-256). 3. compose Pm = R + S + ☟︎
mircea_popescu: oaep works like this : given hash and hash' hash functions, calculate X as hash(m00) xor G(r) and Y = r xor hash'(X).
edivad: ok thanks, intially i thought that maybe doing 400-500 mb of http traffic could be seen as a bad thing
BingoBoingo: edivad: Just remember that hunger can be the most devious thief of all as evidenced by kakobrekla's 500 BTC car. Every situation is different, but many of them rhyme.
edivad: but my question is: as a student without a regular jub, should I need to a aim at a minimum wage job, to possibly apply for credit and then fly away to a second/third word country, get a decent house, marry and reproduce?
mircea_popescu: edivad this is somewhat odd as i recently had a new node configured, came out just fine.
BingoBoingo: lol "M. Poopscoop provides a solid foundation to comedy gold. With the current pace of events, in particular coinbase and the DPR trail he doesn't get as much laughs as he used to. I don't have the impression that is going to change anytime soon with the comedy features at an ATH." << The studious ignoring highlighted
a111: Logged on 2017-08-08 21:28 asciilifeform: in other noose, mod6 , phf , et al : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-10#1681208 nao 1.5s . ( this with karasbuba-squaring used in exp, and comba-squaring used as base case in the former. )
mircea_popescu: in other "people themselves" : charlize theron's character in atomic blue (this borderline sleeve superheroine-spy of a retro-hallucinated 90s, as in the real 90s the us agents got fucking raped in eeurope/berlin) is SO FUCKING HOT she takes baths in iced water.
mircea_popescu: but they don't do lim f(x) for x->k thing anymore as 15yos do they.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-08 21:28 asciilifeform: this is as good as it's gonna get without committing atrocities ( asm , parallelism, etc )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-08#1695453 << you have to. we'd be the first people to move to a cheaper test algo if this was feasible, in tmsr-pgp etc. but as he correctly points out, most of the keys you make are weak. an important point to consider here is weakness propagation : one weak key can potentially expose other key exchanges, resulting in a chain of (unknowingly) lost secrecy. the design will have it ablate over t ☝︎
BingoBoingo: Today's Trilema re-read http://trilema.com/2015/these-fools-have-been-handed-a-technology-so-clever-so-disruptive-and-revolutionary-that-the-rulers-of-the-world-would-have-to-fully-unmask-themselves-as-ruthless-tyrants-in-order-to-suppress-it/
asciilifeform: given as the special square thing costs 143 lines
asciilifeform: this is as good as it's gonna get without committing atrocities ( asm , parallelism, etc ) ☟︎
asciilifeform: in other noose, mod6 , phf , et al : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-10#1681208 nao 1.5s . ( this with karasbuba-squaring used in exp, and comba-squaring used as base case in the former. ) ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: still same thing as of the last one
asciilifeform: i understand what is meant by 'prototype', but an rsatron (ignoring for a moment the constant-time thing) that uses fermat's primality test as the sole probe, is analogous to a grenade with a half second fuse
PeterL: it also serves as a practice for me for understanding rsa algorithm
PeterL: not really vital to anything involved, that could just as well use any other hashing function
ben_vulpes: leading to such hilarious horrors as "fuck it in the pizza"
a111: Logged on 2017-08-07 04:30 mircea_popescu: but see, that's not at all the point. for one thing : all scholarship is nonsense. for the other, soviet school si entirely propaganda, which is to say "prepare organ donors for a certain way of life". the fucking point of the fixed form 3rd/4th grade composition is to allow the submarginal intellects making up the bulk of the population to tattoo their brains into a form that'll then allow them to survive, as traffic agents
BingoBoingo: !~later tell cazalla From what I hear still good. As always check the label/model number in case they start experimenting with Chinesium.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform like in any field, you piece together the bit reports of people in the know, pondered by their context. doesn't take an expert analyst to figure out briots were convenient cover for underground resettlement. << Lafond says this as well plus moving product into town
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, they could hire the girl also, and for the 450k you can get a 2 bedroom and rent one. this'll work well as you'll never see each other again
mircea_popescu: "about same as sv and oh btw all catered meals and accomodations are free"
asciilifeform: about same as sv
mircea_popescu: to them, feinstein is nothing more than any other old bitty. she dun fuck, she dun twerk, she's as interesting as a printed picture of a bone is to a dog.
asciilifeform: creating, naturally, dead zones as it walks
mircea_popescu: let's just say that shooting feinstein would have done ~0 as far as the drug market is concerned, so she escaped.
asciilifeform: nor do we know by whom killed. could just as easily be by contract , vs street tough
mircea_popescu: you keep saying this as fact, then i link you to dead feinsteins, then you forget about it for a week or two, then back to it.
asciilifeform: pretty lulzy, btw, trilema, with the 'car key as sword'
asciilifeform: lockheed et al have 0 reason to build ship that perma-floats, any more than monkey, to whom some idiot gave banana as 'salary', has any notion of 'showing up for work' the next morning
mircea_popescu: incentive is irrelevant. stupid unfucked chickie imagines "she has no incentive to put out", as fucking if.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the problem with those is that we get them as soon as they touch them.
mircea_popescu: if you don't fuck as well as you used to, it's because you forgot how to fuck, there's no more to it than that.
mircea_popescu: you're welcome to not believe, on ops grounds, "i will not believe enemy is dumb". but that aside, as a theoretical concern, how the fuck else will you explain "recent models actually worse performing than earlier models" ?
asciilifeform: i regard , for instance, a pill that's take phuctor from ppm of keys phucked, to ~most -- as interesting
mircea_popescu: ~only correct way to understand post-cold-war government is as a public funded term paper mill. there's a bunch of people writing the papers and a bunch of nominally designated "students" "turning their work in".
asciilifeform: they treat the corpse as if it were alcoholic father , or the like - 'mustn't piss off, will beat us' 'mustn't piss off, maybe will give us treats'
mircea_popescu: it wasn't so much solved as the producer documented it, isn't it.
asciilifeform: not same thing as 'definitely intact'
mircea_popescu: playing yesterday's game. as if it's fucking 1930 and "the masses" matter or some dumb shit.
asciilifeform: 'The Castro infiltration began over a decade ago when Fidel sent thousands of Cuban agents, designated as teachers and medical personnel, to spread propaganda and establish communist cells in the barrios.' didjaknow!!
asciilifeform: ( as in, realtime )
asciilifeform: not nearly as 'sporty', i think, as mircea_popescu's language method -- i've no meat people who speak anything useful in range
asciilifeform: the point re 'inserting equalitis' was spot on, i immediately pictured d00d's picture of mircea_popescu as wanderer with a sack tied to a stick , 'wandering because lost'
asciilifeform: ( for nonplayers -- 'joseki' are sequences of moves, but not necessarily in opening of game ( as in, e.g., chess ) , which appear to be arbitrary to the uninitiated but you deviate from at your peril
mircea_popescu: in other news : cutting up a fresh vanilla bean and leaving the cuttings to sit under costa rican rum qs in a brown glass bottle results after a week or so in such an incredible vanilla tincture as the senses can scarcely believe.
mircea_popescu: and so yes, a functional commercial environment will have you do some things, such as painting masterpieces and discovering the new world, in preference of others.
mircea_popescu: knowledge has you stick finger in some holes as opposed to others ; depending on the kind of knowledge so vary the kinds of holes.
phf: but i'm not even sure if kinship and cooperation are similar nature of happen. does kinship promote cooperation as it's only source, but then you can do mental tricks to extend kinship beyond actual kin to likewise extend cooperation?
mircea_popescu: for instance, traditional family ie kinship say discourages very acutely some specific cooperations, such as romeo and juliet's coop.
mircea_popescu: so is there any argument against the "cooperation is what happens anyway, there's a number of known ways to discourage kinds, such as market, faith, kinship, etc" ?
phf: i wasn't actually thinking to the west, i was treating soviet union as a self-contained system. the point i was trying to make is that (and this is all very RANDian) in the absence of a market graph you needed an alternative mechanism to encourage cooperation, which in this case was the propaganda system "real soviet man does X" etc.
mircea_popescu: but see, that's not at all the point. for one thing : all scholarship is nonsense. for the other, soviet school si entirely propaganda, which is to say "prepare organ donors for a certain way of life". the fucking point of the fixed form 3rd/4th grade composition is to allow the submarginal intellects making up the bulk of the population to tattoo their brains into a form that'll then allow them to survive, as traffic agents ☟︎
mircea_popescu: this is what it is : you get your stars, you are now an adult, protected by the storied item as all adults.
BingoBoingo: Nah, need living gecko skin skinwrap. Maintain just enough life in each skin for it to function as a pixel
mircea_popescu: phf anglotard youths are not allowed to fuck their elders, and consequently anglo culture is impossible ; and there can never be such a thing as an anglo nation.
mircea_popescu: and the reason they don't work is very strictly related to "freedom" and you know, consumer market segmentation. as long as there's no universally meaningfull root there can't possibly be meaningful tribal behaviour ; and if there is such a root there can't be democracy.
phf: nuke softwarizing? as in power plant software, or like electronics for bombs?
phf: i think tron has a hoarding problem, i told him as much, but he really wants to keep those 36xx running in perpetuity
mircea_popescu: is {{{}}} just as good ?
mod6: Anyway, I'm guessing that you did. As long as you have all of the 0.5.4-RELEASE patches/seals/keys you should be fine. you could be correct about some of the alterations for locks not taking on the bsd-side.
mats: not actually boston because nobody apparently wants to come here (see dearth of airlines using BOS as hub) but http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/07/20/538328487/elon-musk-says-he-has-verbal-ok-to-build-n-y-d-c-hyperloop
mircea_popescu: (this point, in either "intern can progress" or "sit in forum and access meaning" presentation, is the fundamental mechanism of both "rounders" and that "poolhall junkies" cheapo rehack of it : that the dude playing can decide the girl's future, a degree of magnitude above her own capacity. take that away -- it's not worth doing. and you sure as fuck ain't meeting the head of ny law firm socially, and play $X with him so he g ☟︎
mircea_popescu: strikes me as too close to "social worker" for comfort.
mircea_popescu: if you rob them worth a coupla hundred an hour, which is probably an overstatement, you'd make about the same as a silicon valley "engineer".
mircea_popescu: anyway, i quoted the blocks by hash so you can check if those are the ones you're struggling with, as opposed to magicalorphans.
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is just poorly written allocates a potentially infinite number of locks as part of handling the last block.
asciilifeform: but in so far as i can see, no satisfactory explanation
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-06#1694380 << there's no "we fixed X" outside of a rewritten p2p model. what exactly are you going to fix ? orphan chain reorgs take a lot of db resources as it is now. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-05 19:15 asciilifeform: midnight/'fish' dun work with the heathen shell either, i end up having to tar up whatevers and sftp'em in/out , takes 100x as long
mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-07-23#1210236 << I remember that we disagree even as to which block is the problem. ☝︎
mod6: Look. First off, no I don't believe we ever found the cause of this. I remember pulling my hair out trying to figure it out -- there are logs indicating as much.
asciilifeform: i am using literally the same deps dir as for past 2y.
mod6: take it easy. just asking as it was indicated to be source of previous 168k wedge issue.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> zoolag live as of now at ye olde 108.31.170.49 . << thanks for the update. ☟︎
asciilifeform: zoolag live as of now at ye olde 108.31.170.49 . ☟︎
asciilifeform: i do not know of anything that would qualify as a final solution for this.
asciilifeform attempts a build of traditional stator trb inside netbsd ( as rotor is unnecessary there, there is no drepper glibc )
asciilifeform: midnight/'fish' dun work with the heathen shell either, i end up having to tar up whatevers and sftp'em in/out , takes 100x as long ☟︎
asciilifeform: no shell with tabcompletion, even. pure agony to so much as work on the thing.