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asciilifeform: the only thing asciilifeform would ever consider spending coinz on, is a perma-ticket out of the shitreich.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-29 05:27 mats: well, if you're looking to sell, the one guy can wire, ach, bank deposit, according to listing in order book
a111: Logged on 2017-04-03 22:14 asciilifeform: incidentally the folx who designed ada, read thompson's paper. and immediately acted. which is why in ada you get 'driving stick'-style control over the compiler, the order in which it puts down routines, and data structures during 'elaboration', and can leave bread crumbs for manual binary auditor (yes) to look for when he compares (yes) binaries built on different systems for same rocket.
asciilifeform: ( there is not , for perfectly fundamental reasons, a compiler that can be blindly trusted -- to work correctly, not even speaking of thompsonism here )
a111: Logged on 2017-09-14 17:24 asciilifeform: ^ which does mean that i'ma have to a) audit the binary when ffa built for use in the field b) patch gcc/gnat not to emit DIV
a111: Logged on 2017-11-29 07:15 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-29#1744011 << in fairness, it was only even said we might want to do this http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-18#1740281 ie two weeks ago.
shinohai: it falls to 10k
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/why-is-fighting-corruption-the-pantsuit-callsign/ << Trilema - Why is "fighting corruption" the pantsuit callsign ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-29#1744035 << it was 1k this year. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-18 16:02 mircea_popescu: i would much prefer to have a v-root for whatever bios, with the binary clearly laid out, so people with the competence can take it apart.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-29#1744011 << in fairness, it was only even said we might want to do this http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-18#1740281 ie two weeks ago. ☝︎☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: "For documentation, see the GNAT sources." bwahaha
a111: Logged on 2017-11-29 01:48 asciilifeform: ( hey lamer, you wanted No_Secondary_Stack restriction ? fuck you, we used variable-length strings for the exception message passing. and 9,001 of similar item. )
a111: Logged on 2017-11-29 01:38 asciilifeform yet again, for 3rd time in 2 yrs, attempted and failed to build a 'zero foot print runtime' for gnat -- to abolish the 3MB of liquishit it shits into every executable.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-29#1743984 << what failed ? teh very detailed discussion of each of these 3, MEGA blog fodder. ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-28 23:30 BingoBoingo: What was that again? Shame, disappear for 3 years and slave away in the tit mines?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-28#1743982 you know, "all is forgotten in 3 years", like the jews' ancient "7 year festival" ☝︎
ben_vulpes: remember the good old days of bank deposits?
mats: you could hawala if you don't want to give up your PII to the guy
mats: well, if you're looking to sell, the one guy can wire, ach, bank deposit, according to listing in order book ☟︎
asciilifeform: known to whom ?
mats: one guy's even known to fly cross country to meet clients
asciilifeform: for some they move rembrandts, for others , like yours truly, they confiscate $5 package of screws.
mats: anyone know how many megatonnes move through usg domestic mail?
asciilifeform: nor, for that matter, to buy.
asciilifeform: as it is, asciilifeform couldn't even sell 1 btc in here in usgistan, even if wanted to. ☟︎☟︎
mod6: i like that better
BingoBoingo: What, there's no route for earnestly living there and waiting for that next zero in .ro ?
BingoBoingo: Or till March, or whatever man. Great Again cannot Make Great in a single day.
asciilifeform: nao if it were to grow just oooone moar 0..!
BingoBoingo: Quite the thrashing crashing
mod6: b__main.adb:(.text.adainit+0xfd): undefined reference to `ada__strings_E' << this is sad, really.
asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/dpo8I/?raw=true << sample rts eggogology , to round out the thread.
asciilifeform: it aint just exceptions, either. gnat happily ignores the fact that strings package isn't used, and inserts a dependency on it for the linker to barf on. ditto tasks, and a dozen other.
asciilifeform: whether or not the gox has transitioned to the next dwarf stage is immaterial
ben_vulpes: unrelatedly asciilifeform i saw you mention 'goxlag' a few times recently, is bitfinex not releasing btc?
asciilifeform: granted it's a standard lib, and contains various items like the ( spiffy, but i dun use it in p !!! ) threading system
ben_vulpes: pffflol that's epic
asciilifeform: i'ma have to do it after ffa/p tho. but really this is ridiculous, the built binaries are not auditable until we extirpate the ball of nonsense.
asciilifeform: the tentative conclusion : asciilifeform is condemned to take ownership of gnat, and burn out the nonsense with hot irons.
asciilifeform: they are part of they-don't-want-you-to-do-this.
ben_vulpes: are these stylistics part of the spec or what
asciilifeform: which means that none of my code even builds, because gnat then insists on adacore's idiotic massive-extra-spaces-everywhere stylistics.
asciilifeform: 2) style fascism is turned on AND CANNOT BE TURNED OFF
asciilifeform: 'Internal GNAT implementation mode. This should not be used for applications programs, it is intended only for use by the compiler and its run-time library. For documentation, see the GNAT sources. Note that -gnatg implies -gnatw.ge and -gnatyg so that all standard warnings and all standard style options are turned on. All warnings and style messages are treated as errors.'
asciilifeform: now for the ultimate barf :
asciilifeform: and ditto package Ada ( exceptions ) and pretty much the rest of your rts
asciilifeform: bonus hell : if you want to build a rts, you gotta use "-gnatg" flag. or you get:
asciilifeform: oh that ain't all
asciilifeform: ( hey lamer, you wanted No_Secondary_Stack restriction ? fuck you, we used variable-length strings for the exception message passing. and 9,001 of similar item. ) ☟︎
asciilifeform: but then welcome to an inner circle of hell, because it's a mass of ??? interdependently glued to itself with broken glass
asciilifeform: so the next logical thing is, you go and find where yer gnat's a-except.adb/ads live, and try and backport'em, right ?
asciilifeform: the approach to making a rts ( gnatruntime ) from 0, depicted in e.g. https://github.com/alkhimey/Ada_Kernel_Module_Toolkit works -- but does not result in a ffa-usable rts , because the boundschecking exceptionhandlers are not present.
asciilifeform: see , http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-21#1741741 , but a RUNNABLE linked elf is multi-MB and full of turd and quite unauditable. ☝︎
asciilifeform: funnily enough adacore itself publishes a great many cut-down runtimes for various embedded boxes, e.g. https://bitbucket.org/tkoskine/embedded-arm-gnat-rts/src . BUT they are not usable: 1) there is -- quite deliberately -- not one targeting conventional userland linux 2) none of them support exception handling, which wouldn't be a problem except that ALL BOUNDS CHECKS ARE EXCEPTIONTRONIC ☟︎
asciilifeform: supposedly this is one of the items included in the 'pro' payware gnat. and they have made re-creating it as painful as they could.
asciilifeform yet again, for 3rd time in 2 yrs, attempted and failed to build a 'zero foot print runtime' for gnat -- to abolish the 3MB of liquishit it shits into every executable. ☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎
BingoBoingo: What was that again? Shame, disappear for 3 years and slave away in the tit mines? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: apparently the expectation is that 3 year rule.
BingoBoingo: Recovery from Havelol will prolly take substantial tit wrangling
BingoBoingo: Poor The20YearIRCloud , insufficient ratings to bid for colo space
mircea_popescu: !!reputation The20Year
mircea_popescu: !!ratings The20Year
The20YearIRCloud: possibly, it was just the20year earlier
mircea_popescu: !!key The20YearIRCloud
mircea_popescu: !!ratings The20YearIRCloud
The20YearIRCloud: 0.5 was fantastically generous at the time (It was like $50 if memory serves me right), but like i said, and I could find the chat log, i was (And continue to deal with) idiots on a daily basis
The20YearIRCloud: I'll let em know. For some reason I have t his awful feeling they'll be more apt for that then to take the freebie offered years ago
a111: Logged on 2017-11-28 03:39 mircea_popescu: somehow if the usg website comes up with "it's illegal to smoke", they stop smoking, AS FUCKING IF. whereas when the republic orders, they "have options".
mircea_popescu: but hey, 0.5 was also VERY generous ; and in general everything i do is. meanwhile the fucktards http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-28#1743513 ☝︎
The20YearIRCloud: Dang, that's a bit generous, don't you think?
The20YearIRCloud: ha ha ha, i actually thought about that
mircea_popescu: send them to http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/
The20YearIRCloud: for property tenants of my company, 2-3 years ago, gave out a bunch of posters to ungreatful tenants whom you offered 0.5btc to
mircea_popescu: i have paid for so many posters... what is this, the pili thing ?
The20YearIRCloud: (Thus me finding the chat again)
The20YearIRCloud: mircea_popescu: I had someone ask about those posters if they were valid today, oddly enough
mircea_popescu: at least cursory familiarity with the poisonous plants pre-required
BingoBoingo plans to wait at least one year before trying to terraform any corners or Uruguay
BingoBoingo: And not all gardening is food. There's also the decorative gardens for getting randy with the ladies
BingoBoingo: Hey, if the Gods raid your playing god patch with a bunch of voracious bunny rabbit mobs, then you've gardened delicious rabbit
a111: Logged on 2016-04-07 17:50 mircea_popescu: basically, all the architecture systems architects have managed yet to produce is the equivalent of "we need 10.1k builders - 100 to build and 10k to hold up the walls once we're done".
mircea_popescu: the trick with Gods is that they're not fucking Atlas, supporting the world on own shoulder each and every day or else. http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-07#1448124 very much apropos. ☝︎
BingoBoingo: And smite the ones you spot, learn from the experience and bring a better game next season. Very much a resistance of the medium sorta thing.
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-28#1743697 << I suspected it was the appeal of contest in attempting to carve out a local space where one tries to out-God the Gods ☝︎
ben_vulpes: The20YearIRCloud: there are logs, nobody is going to read them for you.
The20YearIRCloud: Not so much, just wondered what happened to the exchange, or if i'm missing something
asciilifeform: !!up The20YearIRCloud
mod6: <+ben_vulpes> the responsible disclosure whining is pretty lolarious << very.
mircea_popescu: this is what's gonna be the new response to police "arrest" : you DID first send a PM right ?
mircea_popescu: somehow "criminal" isn't supposed to FIRST be notified PRIVATELY about how usg aims to assault.
mircea_popescu: the expectation on the part of the usg drones that usg gets a private first pass for being usg is something else.
asciilifeform: ... epic goxlag tho.
mircea_popescu: more like, when stalin died. cuba was international socialism thing. like mexico.
asciilifeform: ( cuba, that is )
asciilifeform: iirc stopped with the frigates when su so ordered.
mircea_popescu: at some point, cuba was exactly 1980s libya, attacked usg frigates in port and paid people to bomb
asciilifeform: i'm not sold that this fatty was fat. ru signals base happily churned along in cuba until '93 or so
mircea_popescu: "not overrun" but i don't see it sending agents to blow up dept of state trashbins.
mircea_popescu: if hruschev went "well, it's up to castro", then defended.