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mircea_popescu: in other news, the oh in ohio is a pretty decent movie.
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> only question in my mind is if we stick linus' kernel in there too. <<< eventually ;/
mircea_popescu: what, we only 0.01% of the engineers we need, why not make it 0.00001% ?
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-12-2015#1348882 << i said this because a GB of c source IS NOT ANYTHING-IFYABLE << it's a starting point. you know, just like bitcoin-shitcore.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 20-12-2015 21:51:41; mod6: but then alf said it's not ``'V'ifiable'' or something of the kind.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> incidentally the de-glibc-ized trb WILL run on netbsd now! << o hey!
mircea_popescu: you know we really need a lot better communication for these things.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell pete_dushenski yo start communicatin' before you get excommunicated!
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mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> how to bridge the gap between 'v means i read and agree' vs. 'we need the source for these deps in the v-tree'? <<< " I signed this because we need the source for this shit. I didn't read it, I don't need to read it to tell you it's shit."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> pressing of cd was perhaps the ONE good idea in openbsd <<< certainly not a bad one.
thestringpuller: what's going on with qntra? is it dns this time?
mircea_popescu: you gotta read the logs
mircea_popescu: <jurov> so maybe we end up with malloc library, too... at least till mempool is completely redone <<< ahahahaha
mircea_popescu: this shit is so ridiculous by now...
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mircea_popescu: that's brave
mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats
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mircea_popescu: "Sadly, that is not an undesirable result. Bloated code does not just keep programmers employed, but managers and whole companies, internationally. Compact code would be an economic disaster. Because of its savings in team size, development time, storage requirements and maintainance cost."
mircea_popescu: heh. he's right there. it would be an pseudo-economic disaster, in the sense "economic" has come to carry in the world of "we just wanted to" and "we have come to expect".
mircea_popescu: meanwhile a whole lot of "global warming" snake oilmanship and heaps upon heaps of idle handwringing about various restatements of the "ecology" problem.
mircea_popescu: nobody cares to look at the root causes. "hey derps ? you're being as inefficient as humanly possible" "well of course, any other course would be an economic disaster" "your idea of economy is like a rat's idea of hygiene : the more sewers the better" "so ?"
mircea_popescu: "It is in a programmer's best interest to exaggerate the complexity of his program."
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mircea_popescu: and in anatomy class news, http://49.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdselsxkRs1rqpz2lo1_r1_500.gif
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1IiDdsK )
ben_vulpes: the mess of complexity in development (not just 'web', chil'ren) is very very similar to the argentine problem of everyone believing their flats are worth all that us paper.
ben_vulpes: i don't see a macri coming by to devalue the webstack though. have been struggling to cook up the scenario wherein the world's managers declare technological bankruptcy and completely failing.
mircea_popescu: quite.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes that scenario is very similar to mp going "i'm paying 1 btc for wuille's death cert".
mircea_popescu: exactly in the same way "development" is similar to "argentina"
mircea_popescu: at some point and on some level the nude reality of "this guy wants you dead. no, he doesn't think you did a great thing. he doesn't even think you're 'not worth hiring' or even worth zero. he thinks you're so far under 0 it can't be put in other words". and "aaaah, he's crazy" only goes so far.
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ben_vulpes looks forward to mp's contract for the death of modern web tech
mircea_popescu: the way this shitshow worked is that every single fucking derp running the "changing the world" pseudo-entrepreneurial circuit is trying to encapsulate a short perl program into "a website" and then "sell it" to "a market". because fuck me, seriously, there's now "a market" for five awk calls. every single fucking "service" and "idea" and "product" and bullshit out there looking for "investment" is really a glorified p
mircea_popescu: ile of three curls and a grep.
mircea_popescu: amusingly enough, this isn't the first pass of this nonsense. bill gates built microsoft out of the exactly same idiocy.
mircea_popescu: so, on its own terms, in its own time, it just sinks further into this shitpit.
ben_vulpes afk, will follow along via ipnohe
mircea_popescu: about as sterile as it gets, except for the part where it drives the emotions of the mob into max gear.
mircea_popescu: just look at this fucking derp, he's a fine example as can be imagined : 1) http://fridriksson.tumblr.com/post/86584610871/a-startup-postmortem-with-a-happy-ending-in ; 2) https://medium.com/@tfridriksson/when-your-startup-runs-out-of-money-you-only-got-1-problem-f84cad5b0f79
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mircea_popescu: so 1st, he's going to "sell" the genius "service" of literally a half hour's worth of perling around. and goes through all the motion as if this nonsense were genuinely a business, and had anything to do with money, employment, the works.
mircea_popescu: THEN when that boring shit goes nowhere, he convinces some misfortunate borderlines to... go live in thailand! because totally, shit'll make sense there.
mircea_popescu: shit doesn't make sense there, chiefly because wtf, it's still a pointless perl script nobody cares about. so he...
mircea_popescu: well he moves on to medium, and keeps at it. one of these days, if he wishes it hard enough, someone somewhere is going to trade actual bowls of soup and actual bong hits and so forth for some shit he found on a hard drive in the garbage dump.
mircea_popescu: how's he not better, how's he different from every afrigan goat ex-herder (the flood/drought/global warming/xenu killed the goats) that's now a garbage trawler ?
mircea_popescu: same pipe dream, really.
gabrielradio: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-12-2015#1338679 << besides buenos aires, which other cities would qualify?☝︎
assbot: Logged on 07-12-2015 23:39:51; mircea_popescu: for this reason. the fundamental incentive to living anywhere is whether you can stick it to the middle class through this mechanism or not. if you can't, they can stew in their own juices and play mahjong or whatever the fuck they play, bingo.
mircea_popescu: gabrielradio any place that currently has currency controls in place is a good bet ; any place where rents are below cover value (romania - perhaps with the exception of bucharest - is a fine example here). any country with a weak central government (the ones with a strong central government don't have a middle class by definition). on it goes.
mircea_popescu: any place where your fiance (that's only had sex with like... 2 guys before you, and you're the best, and her father paid for her college) doesn't want to go but the stripper you met yesterday does.
mircea_popescu: many heuristics.
gabrielradio: the last one is particularly instructive
gabrielradio: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-12-2015#1338673 << heh you sure practice what you preach http://trilema.com/doua-fete-argumentul-economic☝︎
assbot: Logged on 07-12-2015 23:34:54; mircea_popescu: and if you want actual numbers, i just got a coupla girlies an apt. the sale value would have been i guess 160-170k or so. the monthly rent is 750. the first month, the washing machine went, and the owner replaced it. the next month, ac went (brother was that an incredible pos job wow), owner replaced it. so far owner's been making 0 from his property.
mircea_popescu: yeah.
mircea_popescu: incredibly enough.
gabrielradio: ima translate that once trilema is back up
mircea_popescu: shouldn't be long.
mircea_popescu: !up zoidy
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: wouldn't half of africa fit this bill?
mircea_popescu: possibly.
liquidassets: date=18-12-2015#1346518 << Maybe why I walk around with this shit eating grin all the time..
liquidassets: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=18-12-2015#1346518 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 18-12-2015 15:44:18; mircea_popescu: by this reasoning food is "motly shit already" anyway.
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mircea_popescu: freedom's just another word.... http://40.media.tumblr.com/4c8a0c0bd8d6e55da3a02ccf28b84f9f/tumblr_msgliomSm21qzaw65o1_1280.jpg
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BingoBoingo: http://www.anandtech.com/bench/CPU/1131
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punkman: no server worthy AMDs in there?
BingoBoingo: for srs
punkman: I mean they have the 50core xeons
punkman: but no opteron?
BingoBoingo: rly
punkman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnqNvtHyWEY
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punkman: http://i0.wp.com/flowingdata.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Disney-strategy-chart-from-1957.jpg
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punkman: "But I'm game. Give me a problem with 1,000,000 lines of C. But don't expect me to read the C, I couldn't. And don't think I'll have to write 10,000 lines of Forth. Just give me the specs of the problem, and documentation of the interface."
punkman: problem is how do you make a spec out of 1mil lines of C
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
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asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349015 << you know that was kinda why i did the whole libc investigation, recall ?☝︎
assbot: Logged on 21-12-2015 00:03:55; mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> incidentally the de-glibc-ized trb WILL run on netbsd now! << o hey!
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349020 << i'd like to actually press a cd. with the understanding that everything that will ever happen to the reference implementation, incl. compiler, asm, the whole toolchain shebang, all kernels worth looking at from the past, all trb dependencies, etc. WILL BE ON IT☝︎
assbot: Logged on 21-12-2015 00:06:59; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> pressing of cd was perhaps the ONE good idea in openbsd <<< certainly not a bad one.
asciilifeform: and everything that will ever come later in re: trb, will be vpatches on top of the contents of that cd.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349033 << 'programmers get off on complexity the way weight lifters get off on weight'☝︎
assbot: Logged on 21-12-2015 00:27:34; mircea_popescu: nobody cares to look at the root causes. "hey derps ? you're being as inefficient as humanly possible" "well of course, any other course would be an economic disaster" "your idea of economy is like a rat's idea of hygiene : the more sewers the better" "so ?"
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349036 << hermaphrodite ?☝︎
assbot: Logged on 21-12-2015 00:35:24; mircea_popescu: and in anatomy class news, http://49.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdselsxkRs1rqpz2lo1_r1_500.gif
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349039 << closest thing i know of to this is that ru ministry where they installed typewriters last year☝︎
assbot: Logged on 21-12-2015 00:39:32; ben_vulpes: i don't see a macri coming by to devalue the webstack though. have been struggling to cook up the scenario wherein the world's managers declare technological bankruptcy and completely failing.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349086 << see the thread from 2 wks ago re: benchmarks and intel's 20 year record of elaborate fraud☝︎
assbot: Logged on 21-12-2015 03:43:36; BingoBoingo: http://www.anandtech.com/bench/CPU/1131
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349091 << not only no opteron, but the benchmark itself is gimmicked - use of magical intel instructions☝︎
assbot: Logged on 21-12-2015 04:05:49; punkman: but no opteron?
punkman: for the post-mortem files http://www.buzzfeed.com/arianelange/alma-lawsuit
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asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349099 << there are NO programming problems which merit a million lines of c. FOR THE SAME REASON as there are no architectural problems which merit a megatonne of tongue depressors.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 21-12-2015 04:33:15; punkman: "But I'm game. Give me a problem with 1,000,000 lines of C. But don't expect me to read the C, I couldn't. And don't think I'll have to write 10,000 lines of Forth. Just give me the specs of the problem, and documentation of the interface."
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349056 << l0l, iirc this was the self-proclaimed (!) biography of ninjashogun☝︎
assbot: Logged on 21-12-2015 00:50:22; mircea_popescu: THEN when that boring shit goes nowhere, he convinces some misfortunate borderlines to... go live in thailand! because totally, shit'll make sense there.
BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349114 << Aha. Yes, just this was the first time I saw such fraud on crypto benchmark other than AES☝︎
assbot: Logged on 21-12-2015 05:23:54; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349086 << see the thread from 2 wks ago re: benchmarks and intel's 20 year record of elaborate fraud
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: benchmark fraud is precisely as old as benchmarks and is pestilentially pervasive
asciilifeform: to the point of total unsurprise
BingoBoingo: Sure, just never paid attention or just never run into this benchmark used
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: see http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=16-12-2015#1344231 and the resultant http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344736 ☝︎☝︎
assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 06:00:51; BingoBoingo: ;;later tell pete_dushenski https://archive.is/L2CGe
assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 19:09:17; assbot: Successfully added a rating of -1 for coblee with note: plagiarist. shill.
pete_dushenski: Nassim Nicholas Taleb: "Another piece of advice. Use an office only when it is strictly necessary. An office dulls the mind, invites cosmetic and circular work, and allows metastatic projects to take over."
pete_dushenski: George Yazbeck: "This assumes people have a choice or work as private independent contractors. We're not all famous authors...."
pete_dushenski: Nassim Nicholas Taleb: ""We're not all famous authors". This is a type of smart ass easy comment only a bitter loser makes. In addition, it has a logical fallacy. Did it hit you that I have only been a "famous author" part of my life? Did it also hit you that it also applies to employment in general?"
pete_dushenski: ^sounds awfully familiar
pete_dushenski: for anyone who reads the #b-a logs
punkman: http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/263836-paul-nobody-read-the-11-trillion-omnibus-bill
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trinque: were there bills they read?
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell mircea_popescu: but what if i took being excommunicated as a badge of merit and distinction ? please, tell me what i have to do to 'go spinoza' or 'go galileo' ;)
gribble: The operation succeeded.
punkman: chukha writer, not reader
pete_dushenski: besides, is not trb news the dominion of mod6 'state of bitcoin addresses' or qntra ? i can certainly qntra, but i guess i'm not equipped to appreciate the significance of glibc-less-netbsd
pete_dushenski: sorry, trb sans glibc on netbsd, to be more precise
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Works in progress tend to stay in the logs and occasionally get buried there
pete_dushenski: this being the trb progress ?
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pete_dushenski: http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/food-inflation-november-1.3371284 << see comments : canadians are none too pleased when their panem gets pricier. "we wunt moar cheep meet nao !"
assbot: Inflation rate jumps to 1.4% in November on higher food costs - Business - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1QEkw5r )
pete_dushenski: though the number of people who rightly call out the cpi scam is worthy of some mention.
pete_dushenski: i'd be curious to know (and so will endeavour to find out) if there were as many people calling "bullshit" in the late 70s and early 80s when reported inflation was ~10% and loan rates for cars and houses were 20-25%
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pete_dushenski: even without the internet, you'd figure that there would still be huge swathes of the population (those with brains, pen, and paper) that can figure out that "10% inflation" shouldn't yield a doubling in food prices every 3 years, as we've essentially seen in the last 3 years with only a reported inflation of "under 2%"
pete_dushenski: anyways, looks like the canadians, like americans, are en route to becoming the africans they've so long wished to join.
pete_dushenski: or at least the poor slavic farmers their great-grandparents were back in the old country.
pete_dushenski: (western canada aka the prairies aka the breadbasket of the country has very large ukr, ru, and pl populations)
pete_dushenski: most of whom came here either 100 years ago or 25 years ago.
BingoBoingo: sure trb progress
pete_dushenski: well ya
pete_dushenski: b-a is ground zero for trb-dev
pete_dushenski: and thank god it's only part of b-a because the trb-dev stuff is waywaywayway over my head
pete_dushenski: like so far over my head that i barely have a thread to pull at in sometimes hundreds of consecutive lines
ben_vulpes: funny, it's like 90% of why i'm even here
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: As penance you should fire up a trb node to test the new version string patch
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punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CWs95AOWIAA411g.jpg:large
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1YvgCet )
pete_dushenski: https://www.flexport.com/blog/why-dole-owns-container-ships/ << one for ben_vulpes
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pete_dushenski: http://i.imgur.com/8JdtDmC.jpg << heh.
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1S3Qjfr )
punkman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmqAjr0xs04 this guy
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pete_dushenski: i call intentional marketing ploy
punkman: yeah I guess a lot more of this, very viral, such wow
pete_dushenski: specifically in the vein of http://www.contravex.com/2015/02/03/meta-metastasis-or-how-a-dancing-shark-jumped-the-shark/
assbot: Meta-metastasis, or how a dancing shark jumped the shark. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1S3RdZn )
pete_dushenski: "omg did you see that silly fuck-up? haha it was totes cray!"
BingoBoingo: https://archive.is/64TVH
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pete_dushenski to bed.
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punkman: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3xksss/coinbase_bans_me_after_i_help_them_fix_major/cy5t83p
assbot: coblee comments on Coinbase Bans me After i Help them fix major Exploit ... ( http://bit.ly/1Yvj1Wr )
BingoBoingo: "I believe that soft-fork segwit can help us out of this deadlock and get us going again." - A Negative https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-December/012090.html
assbot: [bitcoin-dev] Capacity increases for the Bitcoin system. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Yvj3xE )
BingoBoingo: Other derp: In other words, would a deployment of SW involve the creation of new
BingoBoingo: network message for relaying fraud proofs, a specification that SPV wallet developers can use to validate these messages and so know when to ignore the highest (but invalid) PoW chain...
punkman: any idea wtf are fraud proofs?
BingoBoingo: I'm more worried about the last six words
BingoBoingo: in other coprophlology https://archive.is/amKgQ
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ben_vulpes: highest but invalid pow chain?
ben_vulpes: i guess we don't need baby jebus to save the britneychain if the linux foundation's going to fork the phr33 w0rld off it
ben_vulpes: in other news the incal's a not bad romp
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BingoBoingo: And then there were 4 https://bitnodes.21.co/nodes/?q=/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99
assbot: Network Snapshot - Bitnodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1PeJp6j )
BingoBoingo: Also does is anyone else peristently maintaining many more bitcoin connections then they were when the XT spamnodes flooded? Went from 12-19 range to 24-38 range
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo 100ish is normal for a nonshit node
punkman: http://40.media.tumblr.com/17f6ddd25f483911f38a960448154790/tumblr_mzajhneDNl1rndm2ho1_1280.jpg 4
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1QEB1yg )
mircea_popescu: (ie the sort of thing we run, with its own actual dedicated server, ip, etc. aws instances and similar cloudcrud are more in the dozen range)
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Limited pipe gets allocated here. This is cow country.
mircea_popescu: bandwidth is strangely not a problem per se.
BingoBoingo: Lots of things "aren't really problems" until they are
BingoBoingo: This is basically Africa but with anti-famine
mircea_popescu: heh
mircea_popescu: "their independent 39-seat restaurant in downtown Los Angeles that was a hit in the national food press "
mircea_popescu: motherfucker.... what the fuck is wrong with people ?
mircea_popescu: 39 seats IS NOT A RESTAURANT.
BingoBoingo: It's maybe a large diner
BingoBoingo: Or small diner if freestanding and not a trailer
mircea_popescu: not even large. for the same reason a bike's not a bus, nor a fiddler an orchestra. a restaurant means, without exception, a chef, a sauce and a pasta sous, and at the very least 4 apprentice hands. that's 7 people in the kitchen doing the artwork. this is not counting the 3+ busboys, the 6 waiters and the maitre d'hotel in the salon, nor is it counting the people washing dishes, wiping the floors etc.
mircea_popescu: YOU CAN NOT HAVE A RESTAURANT WITH FEWER SEATS THAN STAFF!
mircea_popescu: not because it's inconceivable the shah of iran would pay enough to keep it in business. but because its minuscule size stupidifies it through "reflection off the boundries" effects.
BingoBoingo: No a diner isn't a restaurant. It's one of those trailer things with one stove that barely works
mircea_popescu: right.
BingoBoingo: But 39 seats seems the right size for that
BingoBoingo: Maybe 3-4 people working total
mircea_popescu: which is a restaurant in the same sense two bums with no prior business experience and no technology knowledge are "a tech company".
BingoBoingo: Right
BingoBoingo: A crude form of XTraunt
mircea_popescu: aymor was just an inexperienced but hardworking 26-year-old when he started Alma as a “pop-up concept” restaurant in early 2012, not long after eating a fateful piece of lamb that, the press has repeated, set him on the path to cooking.
mircea_popescu: god damned...
BingoBoingo: Now that one is clearly a carnival vendor, not a restaurant
mircea_popescu: what the fuck is with these schmucks, "asking for community help" to keep a luxury restaurant afloat ?
mircea_popescu: it's just...
punkman: "Fortunately for us, we’ve had everyone say everything that you can possibly think of about our food, so we are past the point where we need the validation from anybody. I could give a fuck at this point, and we are just happy to try Alma again in the form of a three-month-residency at The Standard hotel in West Hollywood, whether it is critically acclaimed or not."
mircea_popescu: so kickstarter's everyone's mom now amirite.
mircea_popescu: heh, o look at that. they tried and so therefore nobody can criticize them!
mircea_popescu braces himself for a flood of young adults with self-reported "experiences" and "validation", and the ensuing tidal wave of women ready to shoot them
mircea_popescu: anyway. maybe time for kickstarter jokes. "yo kickstarter's so fat it wears the css on its javascript!"
BingoBoingo: In other news the Obeast messiah Tess Monster has announced her surrender to FPH using her real name social media accounts https://i.sli.mg/738TTX.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1TZbr52 )
BingoBoingo: Celebration at https://voat.co/v/fatpeoplehate/comments/737437
assbot: In which Tess demands white knights. | fatpeoplehate ... ( http://bit.ly/1TZbu0T )
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349126 << "1. why have a benchmark if you're not trying to tell a story ? 2. why tell a story if you're not making a buck from the telling ?"☝︎
assbot: Logged on 21-12-2015 05:31:48; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: benchmark fraud is precisely as old as benchmarks and is pestilentially pervasive
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo so scammer gets called out on history of scamming, proceeds to delete all that he can. fattardstalk.org ftw, but what's the relation to pres. bahamas ?
BingoBoingo: Relationship to Bahamas is jsut this past week People and the other supermarket Mass Ragazines were running pieces in defense of her. Actually though she's being hung out to dry now by the cows she scammed
BingoBoingo: Wait, what is the Mayo pronoun?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349132 << the latter two should be the first. an office for work is like a strip club for sex.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 21-12-2015 06:14:11; pete_dushenski: Nassim Nicholas Taleb: "Another piece of advice. Use an office only when it is strictly necessary. An office dulls the mind, invites cosmetic and circular work, and allows metastatic projects to take over."
mircea_popescu: specifically : if the strip club actually provides advantages to you, that is a sign of your sexual dysfunction(s). same thing with an office :
mircea_popescu: if you can't keep a schedule if you don't have an office, your problems are the adolescentine irresponsibility, not the lack of an office. fix the problem, as it's an absolute bar to being a businessman ANYWAY, office or no office.
mircea_popescu: all other perceived advantages flow exactly the same way.
mircea_popescu: the only time an office is unavoidable is when/IF (and that's a big if) you're actually dedicating your time to squeezing useful work out of lazy stupid drones.
mircea_popescu: i don't advise any man to take this course, but recognize that well... cattle ranching is in point of fact a legitimate line of work, and you don't always get the choices you want.
mircea_popescu: (this happens to be why the government is the largest office consumer.)
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349141 << heh, things are only ever that clearly cut a) in retrospect and b) when discussing a cult. such as the catholic church. neither a or b applies here, and so... who's to know ?☝︎
assbot: Logged on 21-12-2015 06:23:04; pete_dushenski: ;;later tell mircea_popescu: but what if i took being excommunicated as a badge of merit and distinction ? please, tell me what i have to do to 'go spinoza' or 'go galileo' ;)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36876 @ 0.00048645 = 17.9383 BTC [-] {3}
BingoBoingo pretty sure going "Spinoza" requires beginning from a place of tedium
mircea_popescu: heh im writing a novel here brb.
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
mircea_popescu: here we go
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349144 << this is an interestingly mixed bag.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 21-12-2015 06:25:36; pete_dushenski: besides, is not trb news the dominion of mod6 'state of bitcoin addresses' or qntra ? i can certainly qntra, but i guess i'm not equipped to appreciate the significance of glibc-less-netbsd
mircea_popescu: on one hand, the "dominion" approach to thinking isn't particularly useful here, because all it does is provide the limiting (the disadvantageous) part of setting boundries, without delivering any kind of protective (ie, advantageous) offset. Specifically how boundries work is, suppose you have two kids, Amy aged 7 and Adam aged 6. If you set a boundry such as "Adam, never hit Amy!" you are in fact limiting Adam's natu
mircea_popescu: ral agressivity, which will make him less of an Adam, but in exchange you're protecting Amy's identity, which will make her more of an Amy. The argument as to whether this is a good idea or a bad idea hinges on how you value the part of Adam that's lost and the part of Amy that's saved - because yes, wherever spheres touch something's gonna get flattened, that's unavoidable - but in any case an argument can always be b
mircea_popescu: rought and disposed of (either accepting it or rejecting it) because both sides are present. Conversely, if you set a boundry for Amy in the terms of "don't try and think honey, that's for men, just sit there and be pretty" she might listen, especially at 7, but you've set a boundry for her that has no upside. "Men" doesn't even exist per se. So this isn't an argument that can be considered, it only has one side to it.
mircea_popescu: To apply this to b-a affairs : it's not particularly useful to go "I'm not going to X because that's Y's dominion". For one thing, it's not terribly clear if this is even true (people are notoriously poor at communicating things this subtle, and consequently your love for Amy's not Amy's idea of your love for her, not ever, until the day you die). It is perfectly valid to go "i won't be telling X how to Y because Ying
mircea_popescu: is X's thing", or in the more general "I'm not about to go into should mode - that's how you get hanged", but that's not so related.
mircea_popescu: It's also perfectly valid to go "I'm not about to Y, seems X's going to do it and they're probably better than me / I don't want to duplicate the effort". Note however that this is an extremely tenuous argument : if it's true he's better than you then you probably should duplicate the effort - that's exactly the only avenue to learning, duplicating the effort of your betters. If it's the case you're better than him, od
mircea_popescu: ds are you'll end up having to do it later anyway, and once you know this it's always better to do it at a time of choice than at a time of need. Obviously this leaves wide open the "well I just don't care so much about Ying", which is fine, with the caveat that as the reunion of Ys starts approaching the universe, you're getting closer and closer to the nagant ending.
mircea_popescu: on the OTHER hand however, you have to understand biology works on drivers, and b-a is very much a natural system, so biology applies. the whole shebang is driven by need, if you go "I NEED X and Y and Z to be able to do K!" you may or may not get X, Y or Z, or maybe a response as to the usefullness of K, but in any case the b-a itself gains. If you recall a primary driver for historical activity was alf going "I want
mircea_popescu: X so I can Y", for x=printable bitcoin and y=read in bed. He's not gotten it, at least not yet, but you can't say anyone's been the worse for the experience.
mircea_popescu: Thinking in those terms, "Hey, TRB actually running on BSD as opposded to PRB sounds to me like it'd be huge, it must be made a point of public communication, I need datas to support me in discussing this with people, plox to help me here!" is a helluva lot more productive than "this is X's dominion". At the worst this will clarify that "nah, not really", at the best it'll help a lot of idiots understand why it nobody
mircea_popescu: gives a shit about the PRB.
mircea_popescu: 750 words, what's that eh.
BingoBoingo: If only you had a trilema to put that in
mircea_popescu: lol ironically, i wouldn't have.
mircea_popescu: it's to date the largest reply i ever had to make in an irc conversation, but it is in fact a reply in an irc conversation.
mircea_popescu: some problems more verbose than others.
mircea_popescu: !up nickeeem
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23500 @ 0.00048843 = 11.4781 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: !up kcud_dab
BingoBoingo: !up STRML
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349167 << lulzy obit. odd that no BSDO mentioned.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 21-12-2015 07:27:38; punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CWs95AOWIAA411g.jpg:large
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349175 <<and you're probably right - trump & partners've been pretty desperate to promote that show where young women inexplicably expect to attract attention while keeping clothes on. seriously ? get with the kimes!☝︎
assbot: Logged on 21-12-2015 07:42:06; pete_dushenski: i call intentional marketing ploy
mircea_popescu: full frontal nudity miss america or get off the cables.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349167 << lulzy obit. odd that no BSDO mentioned. << Holy shit, how did I miss this in paper newspaper☝︎
assbot: Logged on 21-12-2015 07:27:38; punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CWs95AOWIAA411g.jpg:large
mircea_popescu: "I won't comment on the account ban for privacy or regulatory reasons. But I can say that the ban has nothing to do with this person's hackerone reporting. And unfortunately, we cannot be more lenient on him just because he has previously helped us. The 2 issues are independent. And plus, the team that works with banning has no access or knowledge of the hackerone cases. This separation protects our customers' privacy."
mircea_popescu: what the fuck is all this fucktardation supposed to accomplish ?
mircea_popescu: the FACT still is as the guy described. who the fuck cares what your internal functioning is like ? "regulatory reasons" are no reasons.
mircea_popescu: if you promise me a banana and fail to deliver the banana as promised, whether this is related or unrelated, intentional or unintentional, for regulatory reasons or to protect the privacy, I'M SHORT A FUCKING BANANA.
mircea_popescu: so i guess it's not merely "don't help coinbase, they'll fuck you up" as yesterday, but moreover, "don't help coinbase - they'll fuck you up and then display the unmitigated gall of pretending that it didn't happen, or if it did it shouldn't matter or if it does it has nothing to do wit hthem". herp.
mircea_popescu: next time you have the opportunity to hurt coinbase - hurt coinbase. secure in the knowledge that you're not only hurting some 3rd removed assholes, but a whole system of evil.
mircea_popescu: (that said, this particular fellow couldn't actually hurt coinbase, which is exactly why he didn't. but anyway._
mircea_popescu: in other news, "Shouldn’t we be surprised to learn that an importer owns and operates its own ships? It’s probably not the comparative advantage for even the largest importers. And here’s the thing: Dole isn’t one of the country’s top three importers of containerized cargo. Instead it’s the fifth, after Walmart, Target, Home Depot, and Lowe’s. But you won’t see boxes or ships owned by these companies. I
mircea_popescu: nstead, they depend on carriers like Maersk, CMA CGM, and Evergreen to ship their freight."
mircea_popescu: derps.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12927 @ 0.00049334 = 6.3774 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349192 << inching towards war. by now, it's inevitable.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 21-12-2015 08:04:49; BingoBoingo: I'm more worried about the last six words
mircea_popescu: consumers chose to revolt, will be raped, perhaps they learn (fat chance).
BingoBoingo: Stop being polite. The appropriate word selection is "Morbidly Obese Chance"
mircea_popescu: lol @ that bitnodes.21.co thing not listing all my 0.6 nodes etc
mircea_popescu: herpitty derp, gotta get prb appear over irrelevancy no matter what.
BingoBoingo: It'll list them if you change the version string
mircea_popescu: why should i ?
mircea_popescu: fuck em, whose job it is to list, theirs or mine ?
BingoBoingo: No reason at all
BingoBoingo: that list is just still fighting the move to 0.8 war it always has since it was born
mircea_popescu: just pointing out that you know, "here's prb showing 35% (of 40% of the actual network)". which happens to be exactly the mtgox approach to lyf.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo exactly.
mircea_popescu: ohv, hetzner and amazon. heh.
BingoBoingo: But the alf experiment of see how many nodes trb needs before being censored is worth at least two chuckles
mircea_popescu: i guess yeah
BingoBoingo: Because what non answer will the give for nodes using maxint versions being censored
mircea_popescu: "it didn't happen, or if it did it shouldn't matter or if it does it has nothing to do wit them"
mircea_popescu: pretty much batting 100% as far as memory sees.
mircea_popescu: did buffett have the audacity to claim no shorts could be found with millions riding against him in publicly visible ledger ? sure. ever fixed that ? no.
mircea_popescu: did phuctor happen ? did msm derps steal off qntra ? etc.
mircea_popescu: did the "well we wanted to do xt but mp nixed it so i guess no xt" comunique appear as the last entry on bitcoinxt ?
mircea_popescu: soonish we'll need a dedicated index just to keep track of the various smackdowns we delivered.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50989 @ 0.00048609 = 24.7852 BTC [-] {5}
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 438.45, vol: 23641.45647734 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 434.27, vol: 11346.57082 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 438.25, vol: 62541.61995173 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 428.0, vol: 0.2 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 452.487836, vol: 138361.54340000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 437.99, vol: 193.80572256 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 444.219971989, vol: 170.15857314 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: 446.421248884
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00049333 = 3.6013 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: https://archive.is/LElDU << Why reddit can't ever bitcoin
assbot: TIFU by giving up my wife's parents to the Feds : tifu ... ( http://bit.ly/1PfROEL )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70300 @ 0.00049334 = 34.6818 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11600 @ 0.00049334 = 5.7227 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18250 @ 0.00048508 = 8.8527 BTC [-] {2}
punkman: "SPV clients can connect to multiple full nodes in the hope that at least one of the nodes is honest and will provide them with the best valid chain, however situations may arise where the non-compliant chain contains more proof of work than the compliant chain. In this situation, there is no way for the honest full node to signal to an SPV client that it should disregard the chain with more
punkman: proof of work. Fraud proofs are a technique which provide honest full nodes the capability to conclusively demonstrate that chain is invalid regardless of the amount of proof of work backing the invalid chain."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54700 @ 0.0004848 = 26.5186 BTC [-] {3}
shinohai: https://ryanxcharlestimes.com/10-gb-blocks-e7ed69e54a66#.wez1ap2lb <<<fucking hilarious, now after all that hard work changing 1 variable rewrite in your precious javascript.
assbot: 10 GB Blocks — Ryan X. Charles Times — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1OhGFQv )
mircea_popescu: punkman aka "we want to redefine honest to mean 'honest' please play along".
mircea_popescu: signatures don't matter ain't good enough, pow don't matter either now. idjits.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27800 @ 0.00049334 = 13.7149 BTC [+]
liquidassets: MORNING ASSETERS!
liquidassets: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZyLyKYnLoE
assbot: NOFX - Thank God Its Monday - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1RAkOdP )
shinohai likes NOFX
liquidassets: And Mondays?
punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CWmjEXeXIAQaVn9.jpg:large
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1RAmGTU )
mircea_popescu: punkman so ?
punkman: good theme
mircea_popescu: oh
mircea_popescu: lolk
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.0004871 = 6.2349 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: gentlement, please welcome (back) bucephalus: 216.15.33.203:8333 - a trb node, now running asciilifeform's bleeding-edge (on musl-rotor)
asciilifeform: *gentlemen
asciilifeform: this build is ~4MB incidentally
asciilifeform: ;;later tell VariaVarietatis please ask all trb questions in #bitcoin-assets
gribble: The operation succeeded.
shinohai: GG asciilifeform
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349190 << l0l!!☝︎
assbot: Logged on 21-12-2015 08:01:58; BingoBoingo: network message for relaying fraud proofs, a specification that SPV wallet developers can use to validate these messages and so know when to ignore the highest (but invalid) PoW chain...
mircea_popescu: you know ?
mircea_popescu: usg gotta split the muppets off bitcoin chain. one way or another, but IT GOTTA BE DONE!!1
mircea_popescu: "hands off our cattle!"
asciilifeform: just when i thought this couldn't get any lulzier
asciilifeform: 'ignore highest PoW'
mircea_popescu: anyway, i happen to agree. there's absolutely no reason usg.jwz has any business touching bitcoin at any point.
mircea_popescu: it's just not for him.
asciilifeform: anyway i predicted usgcoin shortly after i first logged in here
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349203 <<>> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-12-2015#1347639 ☝︎☝︎
assbot: Logged on 21-12-2015 09:07:36; BingoBoingo: Also does is anyone else peristently maintaining many more bitcoin connections then they were when the XT spamnodes flooded? Went from 12-19 range to 24-38 range
assbot: Logged on 19-12-2015 20:08:33; asciilifeform: so at this point i'm pretty certain where 'black hole' comes from.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349209 << not strangely. cpu and disk i/o is the bottleneck, i determined this to arbitrary precision.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 21-12-2015 09:09:56; mircea_popescu: bandwidth is strangely not a problem per se.
asciilifeform: and this is reflected in connection count as per earlier link
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you would expect, from a very high on view, that bw is the bottleneck in p2p anything, and especially anything dealing with 200gb worth of stored data.
asciilifeform: it ~would~ be the bottleneck if the thing were not written by tards
asciilifeform: and didn't block on blockverify
asciilifeform: and used multiple cpu, etc
mircea_popescu: o btw, didja happen to notice teh speed raid arrangement on phuctor's new server ? :D
asciilifeform: aha it is very spiffy
asciilifeform spent a good chunk of the last 2 days getting the multiprocessor phuctor werker into shape
shinohai: nosuchlabs will b back soon?
asciilifeform: shinohai: reasonably soon
asciilifeform: shinohai: trb node is already there, see thread
shinohai: I saw that ppart, thrilled to have node back
shinohai: *part
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349291 << ahahahaha! RULE OF LAWWWWWW !?!?!!!!!11111☝︎
assbot: Logged on 21-12-2015 10:09:53; mircea_popescu: "I won't comment on the account ban for privacy or regulatory reasons. But I can say that the ban has nothing to do with this person's hackerone reporting. And unfortunately, we cannot be more lenient on him just because he has previously helped us. The 2 issues are independent. And plus, the team that works with banning has no access or knowledge of the hackerone cases. This separation protects our
asciilifeform: that is the face of the beast.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=20-11-2015#1328022 << see also☝︎
assbot: Logged on 20-11-2015 02:04:44; asciilifeform: the scam is not in hitler's ability to 'cut off your lips if he doesn't like your face' but in the ~pretense~ at this strange 'rule of law' fiction
mircea_popescu: amusingly, it's exactly what we'll say as they get impaled.
mircea_popescu: heck, it's EXACTLY what isis is saying right now.
asciilifeform: wai wut, 'we won't comment on this impalement for regulatory reasons' ??
mircea_popescu: well no, who the fuck needs the formalism.
mircea_popescu: prolly something more in line with "you don't get to comment on his impalement because who the fuck are you"
mircea_popescu: same principle anywya.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349296 >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-12-2015#1348495 ☝︎☝︎
assbot: Logged on 21-12-2015 10:12:40; mircea_popescu: next time you have the opportunity to hurt coinbase - hurt coinbase. secure in the knowledge that you're not only hurting some 3rd removed assholes, but a whole system of evil.
assbot: Logged on 20-12-2015 18:03:24; asciilifeform: now if camel fucker army had brains and used pgp and gave half a shit, one could send 0day to them and have at least the pleasure of knowing that it will be used to deal max damage.
asciilifeform: afaik the fella in question did not really have a chance. he had a bullet, but not the gun.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349306 << explicit cutoff on that site is 0.8 iirc☝︎
assbot: Logged on 21-12-2015 10:22:53; mircea_popescu: lol @ that bitnodes.21.co thing not listing all my 0.6 nodes etc
asciilifeform: an echo of the old derpwarz
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349319 << l0l, modernized ver. of http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=21-05-2015#1142233 ?☝︎☝︎
assbot: Logged on 21-12-2015 10:27:34; mircea_popescu: "it didn't happen, or if it did it shouldn't matter or if it does it has nothing to do wit them"
assbot: Logged on 21-05-2015 21:54:14; ascii_field: shitgnomes and their 'it didn't happen. if it happened, it doesn't matter. if it matters - one of -our- people did it first, of course!'
mircea_popescu: that's if it's good.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349331 << i wonder if these folks know the story of pavlik morozov☝︎
assbot: Logged on 21-12-2015 10:59:18; BingoBoingo: https://archive.is/LElDU << Why reddit can't ever bitcoin
asciilifeform: in other lulz, http://imgur.com/utXv9EY
assbot: Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet ... ( http://bit.ly/1S4ZXia )
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/ << older backuped version back online. feel free to log in as per normal, update it, etc. everything should still work as b4, if not lemme know.
mircea_popescu: trilema also scheduled to be back online later today.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349134 << i like taleb's www and find it hard to disagree with his conclusions, but i simply cannot stomach his books. tried many times. reading his b00kz feels quite like having a titanic atomic cock shoved in your mouth; of such gargantuan proportions that it blots out the sun, moon, stars.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 21-12-2015 06:14:47; pete_dushenski: Nassim Nicholas Taleb: ""We're not all famous authors". This is a type of smart ass easy comment only a bitter loser makes. In addition, it has a logical fallacy. Did it hit you that I have only been a "famous author" part of my life? Did it also hit you that it also applies to employment in general?"
mircea_popescu: how's that metaphor work asciilifeform ?
asciilifeform: the man has problems reeling his monster ego even partly onto a spool
mircea_popescu: hahahaha
asciilifeform: even if he stuck to describing own victories, he'd be readable. but i don't need 40 pages about how well-pedigreed his lebanese family tree
mircea_popescu: and this doesn't bother you on his www ? or, for that matter, my www ?!
asciilifeform: nope.
mircea_popescu: i got more ego than taleb damnit.
asciilifeform: aha but mircea_popescu has a cable spool for the cock
asciilifeform: reels it out as necessary
mircea_popescu always thought that nonsense was between patently insane and alienly endearing.
mircea_popescu: seriously, you're a proud scion of a mightly lebanese line of kings and aviators ?
asciilifeform: 'whatcha doing in the bowels of the reich then'
mircea_popescu: not just that, but... lebanese ? seriously ?
mircea_popescu: i suppose what saves it for my benefit is that romanian-ness has a humongous tradition in playing this for laughs
mircea_popescu: so it registers in my head as a merely not very good attempt at that.
asciilifeform: taleb makes wolfram look sane
asciilifeform: at least herr w. merely brags about ~own~ imaginary triumphs
mircea_popescu: that's what i;m saying. somewhere between patently insane and alienly endearing. "he can'rt be fucking serious".
asciilifeform: also i am grossly underequipped to even venture to guess to what extent t. is a meatspace success
mircea_popescu: he's done okay.
mircea_popescu: or what, you mean with the ladies ?
asciilifeform: nah commercial
asciilifeform: specifically, how far did his theories take him
mircea_popescu: his theories took him no far, seeing how he created theories after going places./
asciilifeform: (and if not, why not. as a deservedly obscure crackpot i give a fuck, perhaps nobody else does)
asciilifeform: generally i find 'this is why i won' literature insufferably boring.
asciilifeform: ever try reading, e.g., edison ?
asciilifeform: or worse yet, bill gates.
mircea_popescu: edison was a total nitwit tho.
asciilifeform: aha.
mircea_popescu: bill gates idem.
asciilifeform: hence boring
mircea_popescu: this guy is cultivated.
asciilifeform: but i'm not convinced that the cultivated had anything to do with the win
mircea_popescu: these points are always extremely hard to establish. even in the golden age of cultivated, the argument never was causation, but mere correlation. "lucy, sit like a lady" "why!" "because sitting like a lady correlates with not marrying a bum"
mircea_popescu: that's why the entire progressive bs even caught on in the first place. no causation.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i imagine trying to read taleb to judge paths to success/create a path to success would be ungodly unnerving. i mostly like him because he provides an unalligned datapoint, by some definitions of unallignation.
asciilifeform: it feels like reading brezhnev's 'Малая Земля'.
asciilifeform: like somebody's jacking off into your skull.
mircea_popescu: i like the wesleyan fellow for the same reason, weirdass right wing fundamentalism notwithstanding
asciilifeform: y'know, the mega-ghostwritten backbreaker about how b. won ww2 with own two hands
mircea_popescu: i never read that
asciilifeform: virtually nobody read it
asciilifeform: incl. brezhnev
asciilifeform: (by all accounts he never showed the slightest symptom of having read 'his' b00k)
mircea_popescu: also not particularly cultivated.
mircea_popescu: this is what makes the differece from, say, proust.
mircea_popescu: huge books, utterly meaningless drivel, but nevertheless...
asciilifeform: there is such a thing as the drivel of a cultivated man.
shinohai: https://bitco.in/forum/threads/gold-collapsing-bitcoin-up.16/page-184#post-6654 "In my opinion, someone like Gavin Andresen is a genuine Bitcoin expert." <<< LOLOL
mircea_popescu: to try and formalize this, imagine the question in terms of wallpaper. now you, being a sane individual, would never have wallpaper in the house. but, admitting for the sake of argument that you own a slavegirl together enough to be allowed to run her own household, and admitting she inexplicably wants some wallpaper, the difference between "whatever" and "you can't have that" mostly rests on whether the 900 dpi thing
mircea_popescu: is composed of one inch squares repeating ad infinitum (edison, gates, the us generally) or is actually a pattern as large as the wall itself (ie, cultivated)
mircea_popescu: ofcoursethereis!
mircea_popescu: you ever read du cote de chez swann ?
asciilifeform: nein
mircea_popescu: fine. how about newton's approach to alchemy ?
asciilifeform: aha
mircea_popescu: drivel. cultivated man.
asciilifeform: aha and even serious newtoniana aficionados rarely dwell on his alchemical labours.
mircea_popescu: and the list could continue. there's piles of patristics, all the way to the divine doctor himself, doing nothing else. what's plotinus exactly ?
mircea_popescu: well i suspect the reason for that disinterest is simple fear.
mircea_popescu: "oh my god what if i read it and it makes sense to me".
asciilifeform: i'd guess it'd be boredom
asciilifeform: recently i went on an alchemical archaeology kick, motivated partly by desire to distinguish the 'good drivel' (the kind that actually made meaningful context-reference) from the straight drivel
asciilifeform: that is to say, the labours of thinking and honest men, albeit working on pre-scientific priors, from the 'climatologists' of their day
mircea_popescu: yet another theme one can lose an entire team of engineers in
asciilifeform: i never get especially far with this, because the good sfuff is generally not on the net
asciilifeform: and i can't be arsed to get on a plane just for this
asciilifeform: the alchemical matter is of interest to me because i do not (and afaik nobody does) adequately have a handle on the phase transition, if you will, between voodoo and science, of a young field
gabrielradio: !up Newar
asciilifeform: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3xdv9z/what_is_user_agent_btcwire_and_why_is_it_grabbing << lulzy
assbot: What is user agent btcwire and why is it grabbing so much data from my full node? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1PgtXoq )
asciilifeform: this fella is soaking up the lion's share of the bandwidth of my nodez fleet
asciilifeform: and can anybody give me a good reason not to DROP all the aws/cloud crapola ?
Newar: IIRC btcwire is from the btcd in GO https://github.com/btcsuite/btcd
assbot: btcsuite/btcd · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1Oj6ki9 )
asciilifeform: incidentally, imho accepting multiple simultaneous pipes from a single ip is a bug
asciilifeform: (or at least, doing so by default and to an unlimited degree, is)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8150 @ 0.00048718 = 3.9705 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: the latter, yes.
mircea_popescu: and there's really no rule on what a node owner does to maintain his own network. you want to cut off aws, cut off aws.
mircea_popescu: i can see the argument in favour of isolating all "cloud" crapolade anyway, from everything.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349033 << see also >> https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%BA%D1%80%D1%8B%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%8E%D1%89%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%85%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%B8%D1%8F (no, afaik there is no engl. discussion of this)☝︎
assbot: Logged on 21-12-2015 00:27:34; mircea_popescu: nobody cares to look at the root causes. "hey derps ? you're being as inefficient as humanly possible" "well of course, any other course would be an economic disaster" "your idea of economy is like a rat's idea of hygiene : the more sewers the better" "so ?"
assbot: Закрывающая технология — Википедия ... ( http://bit.ly/1OGBQ3S )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ah there he is
mircea_popescu: hola
asciilifeform: i'ma translate, brb
mircea_popescu: what do you mean not mentioned ?
mircea_popescu: all marxism is built on this.
asciilifeform: not exactly
asciilifeform: 'A 'closing technology' - is a category of innovation, where as a result of its advent the need for a resource (including human resource) shrinks. A closing technology leads to the disappearance of an entire profession or branch of industry without creating a similarly resource-intensive profession or industry in its place. If one is speaking only of a replacement of a technology with a new one (or of a field, or market niche)
asciilifeform: to replace an obsolete one, then the subject in question is merely 'disruptive innovation.'
asciilifeform: The first mention in the scientific literature of such a phenomenon is in K. Marx's discussion regarding the invention of the weaving mill, after which a great many weavers in Great Britain and India perished, having outlived their usefulness. In M. Delyagin's opinion, closing technologies are unprofitable to market economies and are thereby relegated to postindustrial and preindustrial nations.
asciilifeform: Closing technology leads to technical progress, which in this particular case disrupts the workings of an economic system, upsetting the balance of production and creating structural unemployment. From this point of view, closing technology is both a boon and an evil.'
asciilifeform: ^ rough transl.
asciilifeform does not endorse the crackpottery as written, but the concept is not useless
thestringpuller: hmm i can't reach qntra
thestringpuller: Wait wait for it
thestringpuller: YAAAAAAAAAY
jurov: asciilifeform: isn't it same thing as "disruptive innovation" before derps ran off with the term?
mircea_popescu: not really. disruptive simply means that the industrial pathways have to be reconstructed. not different from war in this sense.
mircea_popescu: tbh the best example of closing technology to date would be organised atheism.
jurov: how so? it removed some of clergy, but replaced it with humanities "scientists"
mircea_popescu: well no, removed the entire religion thing, from the "must build cathedral" to "tithe" - speaking of which, you ever seen l'avare with de funes ? epic tithing scene in there - and on and on. review the literature of the 1800s, about half the drivel printed was various clerics opiniong self importantly on matters they thoroughly ignored.
mircea_popescu: now, it's true that the self important ignoramus has not been discontinued by this ;' and it's true that he's found new crevices to hide and be gavin andersen in. nevertheless, this is not part of the definition.
thestringpuller: gavin doesnt even deserve to have his last name spelled correctly, cause who cares?
jurov: what is "organised atheism" then?
jurov: if not various branches of philosophy and humanities?
mircea_popescu: there's nothing atheistic about either of those.
jurov: what is "organised atheism" then?
mircea_popescu: a middle aged woman in queens going "when you die you die. that's it. you don't go anywhere." as overheard in "the conversion" seinfeld episode.
jurov: as i hardly know any such person, i suspect hard atheism is actually very rare thing.
mircea_popescu: what is "organised terrorism" ? a large enough group of people who think there's absolutely nothing wrong with setting things on fire if they were government things.
mircea_popescu: well... the thing about rat poison is that the rats don't need to know about it for it to work.
mircea_popescu: it may be rare or common in your environment, but the church sure as hell doesn't dare try and impose a tax, but instead fell back on the b-a taxation model.
jurov: heh, you wish. they learned bo bezzle instead.
jurov: *to bezzle
mircea_popescu: (organised here is used as a psych term of art - same way "organised delusion" works)
jurov: so, if we break organized delusion and now there's 1000s of individual ones, we have released human resources and unleashed immense potential, etc.?
mircea_popescu: huh ?
jurov: i just don't make sense to apply the concept on church. did anyone perish due to church being displaced? no? then wtf we are having such virtual concepts?
punkman: many perished
mircea_popescu: why is "someone perished" the criteria ?
mircea_popescu: it's just that at some point some % of gdp went into researching pewter alloys and making dumbass candlesticks and now it doesn't.
mircea_popescu: this may not be the case in marginal, primitive lands, but then again technology diffuses on a gradient.
jurov: i suspect it isn't the case. let's say in middle ages 95% was the agriculture and 5% the religion ... and now the 5% remains under whatever guises (new age, dianetics, angelology, you name it) just the 95% moved on
mircea_popescu: religion actually caried 80%+.
jurov: of what?
mircea_popescu: hence back when president bahamas of 1400 ran into "a crisis", what they did was a crusade
jurov: certainly not the GDP
mircea_popescu: not fucking bahamascare
mircea_popescu: yes gdp
jurov: but they *did not* have million-armies. just gathered few thousands of derps, maybe 1% of pop... that could not have made a dent in gdp
mircea_popescu: you're kidding right ?
jurov: no
mircea_popescu: this is exactly counterfactual. the us is fighting the largest battle of a generation, fails to get ANY soldiers over at tikrit.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the crusades touched pretty much every able bodied male
mircea_popescu: heck, they sent boatloads full of children.
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jurov: still, if it really was big % of population, the outcome would look like after wave of pestilence&co, which it did not
jurov: in that line, medicine is really the 'closing technology' that unleashed rivers of meat
mircea_popescu: not really medicine. people keep going to "medicine", but this is nonsense. for one thing, medicine is in no better shape than it was during classical times, with one major exception : traumatology. which is what unleashed rivers of black athlete, it's true.
mircea_popescu: but other than that : the rivers of meat spawn from the generalized sanitation, and are fed by generalized refrigeration
mircea_popescu: medicine has ~0 to do with all this (as does democracy).
ben_vulpes: yo trinque why did deedbot- miss this one? http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/12/21_development-costs-of-user-interface-development-and-mitigating-them-with-clojurescript.html
assbot: Development Costs of User Interface Development (and mitigating them with Clojure/Script) ... ( http://bit.ly/1RBbIxw )
ben_vulpes vanishes
trinque: because it was gone.
trinque: sometimes fleanode issues cause the poor guy to say things to no one but himself.
trinque: my best people are on it
mircea_popescu: lol
jurov: ben_vulpes: do you have publicly available sample outcome of the glorious process?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82767 @ 0.00049318 = 40.819 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!msg/boring-crypto/48qa1kWignU/o8GGp2K1DAAJ << where djb secretly desires ada
assbot: Google Groupes ... ( http://bit.ly/1RBefrj )
jurov: As a boring platform for the portable parts of boring crypto software, I'd like to see a free C compiler that clearly defines, and permanently
jurov: commits to, carefully designed semantics for everything that's labeled "undefined" or "unspecified" or "implementation-defined" in the C "standard".
mircea_popescu: heh
deedbot-: [Qntra] Chain Fork Reveals BIP Process Broken - http://qntra.net/2015/07/chain-fork-reveals-bip-process-broken/
deedbot-: [Qntra] French TV Venture CANAL+ Hacked, Suppresses News with DMCA - http://qntra.net/2015/07/french-tv-venture-canal-hacked-suppresses-news-with-dmca/
deedbot-: [Qntra] Greek Finance Minister Varoufakis Resigns in Failure - http://qntra.net/2015/07/greek-finance-minister-varoufakis-resigns-in-failure/
deedbot-: [Qntra] Another Post BIP 66 Fork Dies after 3 Blocks - http://qntra.net/2015/07/another-post-bip-66-fork-dies-after-3-blocks/
deedbot-: [Qntra] Most Serene Republic Begins Advertising Public Blockchain Seed Nodes - http://qntra.net/2015/07/most-serene-republic-begins-advertising-public-blockchain-seed-nodes/
deedbot-: [Qntra] Transaction Fee Market Develops Amid Surge in Transaction Volume - http://qntra.net/2015/07/transaction-fee-market-develops-amid-surge-in-transaction-volume/
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pete_dushenski: is it just me or is the latest qntra from july 10, 2015 ?
pete_dushenski: looks like the last 5 months of archives vanished in the last reboot ?
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349416 << ahok☝︎
assbot: Logged on 21-12-2015 16:10:22; mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/ << older backuped version back online. feel free to log in as per normal, update it, etc. everything should still work as b4, if not lemme know.
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349421 << i've never understood this rather commonplace criticism of taleb as being anything other than "ow my fee-fees hurt. that's not nice and it's certainly not how we do things in usistan where being successful and coming from somewhere other than the sewers is bad because reasons mkay"☝︎
assbot: Logged on 21-12-2015 16:52:46; asciilifeform: the man has problems reeling his monster ego even partly onto a spool
trinque: weird.
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349426 << lol it's definitely a close contest.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 21-12-2015 16:53:56; mircea_popescu: i got more ego than taleb damnit.
trinque: deedbot- knows what date/time it is... did someone touch the entropy dial?
trinque: oh wow, that's what's actually on qntra.net at the moment.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: "with the caveat that as the reunion of Ys starts approaching the universe, you're getting closer and closer to the nagant ending." << can you expand on this point ? is it that being overwhelmed on account of previous complacency and previous failures to eat the elephant one bite at a time, as those bites appeared, can only lead to suicide ?
pete_dushenski: and prb = pseudorealbitcoin/pretendrealbitcoin/powerrangerbitcoin ?
mircea_popescu: power ranger bitcoin. how about that!
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/628524/Climate-change-shock-Burning-fossil-fuels-COOLs-planet-says-NASA
assbot: Climate change shock: Burning fossil fuels COOLS planet, says NASA | UK | News | Daily Express ... ( http://bit.ly/1S5VLyH )
pete_dushenski: and after actually reading up a bit on glibc instead of telling myself "oh that's nice, alf's done another miraculous thing, which'd be the third this week, each of which is so miraculous that idkwtf it is, if it even applies to anything in my universe", i found that one of the glibc maintainers is florian weimar of http://qntra.net/2015/09/many-network-appliances-leak-master-tls-private-keys-through-forward-secrecy/
assbot: Page not found | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1S5VOua )
pete_dushenski: e. also, that glibc is advertised as an 'essential' component of unix osen, but that it's very much something of a flying spaghetti monster
mircea_popescu: !up silvaedium
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349278 << sorta hard to play the other side of the conversation when you simultaneously take every possible rebuttal or objection, pin it down, and kill it, like some kind of laboratory experimenter playing with a mouse in a hall of mirrors with no exit ;/☝︎
assbot: Logged on 21-12-2015 09:57:30; mircea_popescu: it's to date the largest reply i ever had to make in an irc conversation, but it is in fact a reply in an irc conversation.
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: Закрывающая разговор or what was alf saying.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: but your controlling point about whose dominion is a thing is well taken. the boundaries here are very loosely defined, and yet so broad that i'm bound to miss important things, but mostly as these important things relate to trb development, an area where my only experience was debian testing and v-verification this summer
mircea_popescu: aha.
pete_dushenski unwraps abdy's 'lectures on feudalism', herlihy's 'the history of feudalism', lessing's 'laocoon', and 'the world according to clarkson'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform remind me, where's teh instructions for pressing a trb ?
pete_dushenski: this set of newly delivered readings is just some of the competition for my time that retards my learnings of trb and related subjects
BingoBoingo: <pete_dushenski> is it just me or is the latest qntra from july 10, 2015 ? << New backup being loaded nao
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: neato
pete_dushenski: glanville's and blackstone's commentaries and treatises are also on their way from bookstores around the world.
pete_dushenski: THERE'S JUST TOO MUCH TO READ!
pete_dushenski: though 15 minutes of reading was all it took to appreciate the enormity of alf's glibcless netbsd.
pete_dushenski tips cap
pete_dushenski: from bottom of express uk 'climate' article: "Can we trust existing climate change predictions based on this new research?"
pete_dushenski: 86% of respondents: "No, I have never heard before that fossil fuels can cool area - it all needs looking at again."
mircea_popescu: what else "have i never heard of before" ? medieval ice age ? volcano eruption driving cool summers ?
mircea_popescu: nuttin ?
pete_dushenski: what do you expect from brits edumacated in the post-beatings era.
asciilifeform back from dentist
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349614 << using whose vtron ?☝︎
assbot: Logged on 21-12-2015 21:24:59; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform remind me, where's teh instructions for pressing a trb ?
asciilifeform: the instructions for mine are in the ml
asciilifeform: mod6's also iirc
asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000161.html << mine
assbot: [BTC-dev] V examples. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MXJGZq )
mircea_popescu is going to send noob into this, see what happens.
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asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-November/000179.html << mod6's far spiffier vtron
assbot: [BTC-dev] mod6's V [in perl] version 99998 K with Cucumber Tests & Testing Guide Included ... ( http://bit.ly/1XYf1zx )
asciilifeform: and ben_vulpes also had one (haven't tried) and punkman also (ditto)
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349603 << l0l pete_dushenski we're talking about ~6 month old newz by now☝︎
assbot: Logged on 21-12-2015 21:09:58; pete_dushenski: and after actually reading up a bit on glibc instead of telling myself "oh that's nice, alf's done another miraculous thing, which'd be the third this week, each of which is so miraculous that idkwtf it is, if it even applies to anything in my universe", i found that one of the glibc maintainers is florian weimar of http://qntra.net/2015/09/many-network-appliances-leak-master-tls-private-keys-through
asciilifeform: (the de-glibc-ation)
pete_dushenski: for some kids, the existence of bitcoin is still news.
pete_dushenski: in trblandia, i'm the 30 iq kid
asciilifeform: jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349578 << this is not as simple as it sounds, there are machine and os braindamages baked in☝︎
assbot: Logged on 21-12-2015 19:53:52; jurov: commits to, carefully designed semantics for everything that's labeled "undefined" or "unspecified" or "implementation-defined" in the C "standard".
BingoBoingo: No, you're pantagruel in the bouncy harness pete_dushenski
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: lol if pantagruel's my boy, then i'm gargantua ;)
jurov: asciilifeform: twas just djb citation
asciilifeform: aha
BingoBoingo: Not necessarily. Maybe gargantua in legend was actually cuckolded, and pantagruel's real father was the Jew boy.
mircea_popescu: http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/V-20151108.tar.gz.mod6.sig << da fuyck ?
assbot: 404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1NyZQrR )
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349591 << pointedly ~not~ what it is about. see thread re: brezhnev's book. the latter is not loathesome because i cry from failing to live up to brezhnev's imaginary heroism☝︎
assbot: Logged on 21-12-2015 20:59:48; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349421 << i've never understood this rather commonplace criticism of taleb as being anything other than "ow my fee-fees hurt. that's not nice and it's certainly not how we do things in usistan where being successful and coming from somewhere other than the sewers is bad because reasons mkay"
mircea_popescu: mod6 any idea ?
asciilifeform: but because it is tedious and repetitive
asciilifeform: whereas, e.g., mircea_popescu's site, is neither
mircea_popescu: that may have a lot to do with the age of the mammals.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: quite likely jurov's filename munger
asciilifeform: i still wanna know what he was smoking when he did that one
jurov: no, the mailinglist has nothing to do with /v/
asciilifeform: then nfi
mircea_popescu: not related to mailing list no
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349603 << wait till pete_dushenski remembers about drepper☝︎
assbot: Logged on 21-12-2015 21:09:58; pete_dushenski: and after actually reading up a bit on glibc instead of telling myself "oh that's nice, alf's done another miraculous thing, which'd be the third this week, each of which is so miraculous that idkwtf it is, if it even applies to anything in my universe", i found that one of the glibc maintainers is florian weimar of http://qntra.net/2015/09/many-network-appliances-leak-master-tls-private-keys-through
mircea_popescu: http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/V-20151129.tar.gz.mod6.sig << correct url
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1l0HBCj )
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pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: lol i remember ulrich, musta glanced over his name when skimming for recognisables. now i see him there too.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: afaik he is the (in so far as is publicly known) ~the~ wrecker
asciilifeform: with the single most... illustrious record
asciilifeform: there are drepperisms on your box, whatever it might be, virtually guaranteed.
pete_dushenski: do you have a poster of drepper's face on your wall with a hitler stache, devil eyes, and a horns carved in ?
asciilifeform: iirc he is even responsible for the retardation of gnu diff
asciilifeform: the one i had to kludge around to get 'v' to work reasonably
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: no but don't let it stop you
asciilifeform: i don't even have my own shooting gallery
asciilifeform: (betcha mircea_popescu does)
pete_dushenski: i only copy from my betters
pete_dushenski wonders where bounty on drepper's head is if wuille is worth the trouble
asciilifeform: anyway drepper was drepper 20 yrs ago. today there are new dreppers. tomorrow there will be yet other dreppers.
pete_dushenski: bbiab
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349605 << libc. there are multiple usable implementations thereof☝︎
assbot: Logged on 21-12-2015 21:09:59; pete_dushenski: e. also, that glibc is advertised as an 'essential' component of unix osen, but that it's very much something of a flying spaghetti monster
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: see also http://www.etalabs.net/compare_libcs.html
assbot: Comparison of C/POSIX standard library implementations for Linux ... ( http://bit.ly/1DMQi5O )
asciilifeform: all 3 of my currently operating trb nodes are using a rotor-on-musl build
asciilifeform: (at some point i may or may not do a dietlibc and uclibc variant)
mircea_popescu: so /me gives new girl task to press v, half hour ago. other than the url issue above, "hey what sigs should i put in here ?"
mircea_popescu: "ascii and mod6". "ok, here's what I get :
mircea_popescu: WARNING: genesis.vpatch.mircea_popescu.sig is an INVALID seal for genesis.vpatch!
mircea_popescu: Check that this user is in your WoT, and that this key has not expired.
mircea_popescu: Otherwise remove the invalid seal from your SEALS directory.
mircea_popescu: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
mircea_popescu: Died at ./v.pl line 112.
mircea_popescu: at which point /me grins
mircea_popescu: seriously mod6, VERY nice job with this. 19 yo can use it!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: where did you get the sigs and patches ?
asciilifeform: trb site ?
mircea_popescu: pubkeys yo umean ? i have my own copies!
asciilifeform: nono
asciilifeform: the seals
asciilifeform: and vpatches
asciilifeform: (a seal, recall, is a signature of a particular patch)
mircea_popescu: apparently it has a mirror list and then an init command.
mircea_popescu: so far the mirror list consists of trb site.
asciilifeform: can take the patches & seals from my tarball, which is self-contained
asciilifeform: see what differs from trb site
asciilifeform: (nothing ought to)
asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000160.html
assbot: [BTC-dev] V. (ver. 99K) ... ( http://bit.ly/1fQt08V )
mircea_popescu: hmm, so this produces a press directory, which contains a bitcoin src, but there's no autogen.sh and how do you make this thing ?
asciilifeform: aha so far this is strictly bitcoin
asciilifeform: for the rest, you need rotor or stator (your choice)
asciilifeform: (rotor is a superset of stator that builds own compiler with - in my latest ver. - musl)
mircea_popescu: damn it.
mircea_popescu: why's it not in teh patch tree ;/
asciilifeform: 'cause it isn't specific to trb
mircea_popescu: so ?
asciilifeform: (it'll be building, e.g., gossipd, later)
mircea_popescu: the idea here is to get a certain result through a certain process
mircea_popescu: obviously just dumping it in as a node isn't right, but we gotta have it somehow
asciilifeform: mod6 had a set of instructions up for cooking rotor ab initio, but it apparently wasn't in the ml
asciilifeform digs in logz
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform besides the point tho.
mircea_popescu: when one executes v-magic upon the genesis patch one must end up with a ready-to-go bitcoin.
asciilifeform: once mod6 and ben_vulpes shrinkwrap a buildroot, gcc, et al. this will be possible
asciilifeform: and will go on the magic cd
asciilifeform: presently buildroot fetches crud from the net
mircea_popescu: i suppose we'll have to restate the genesis huh
mircea_popescu: VARDFORK!
asciilifeform: parallel tree
asciilifeform: as discussed about a day ago
mircea_popescu: exactly.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21050 @ 0.00048714 = 10.2543 BTC [-] {3}
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=20-12-2015#1348564 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 20-12-2015 18:46:10; asciilifeform: (ergo, has its own 'genesis' somewhere)
mircea_popescu: must say it's endearingly light, this bitcoin press.
asciilifeform: out of curiosity what did mircea_popescu expect ?
mircea_popescu: i expect nothing, thus i live longer.
mircea_popescu: does your rotor live anywhere ?
asciilifeform: in the ml
asciilifeform digs
mircea_popescu digs as well
asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000133.html
assbot: [BTC-dev] Rotor! ... ( http://bit.ly/1InQxW4 )
mircea_popescu: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000136.html ?
assbot: [BTC-dev] Rotor! ... ( http://bit.ly/1hbPG4Q )
mircea_popescu: ah ok
asciilifeform: aha may need trinque's correction on some damaged systems
mircea_popescu passes this along and goes to eat.
mircea_popescu: ah what a pleasant day in the resistance.
asciilifeform: warning - this takes FUCKING FOREVER
asciilifeform: as it builds gcc, toolchain, et al
asciilifeform sings along, 'Доказали не раз они, что один в поле воин...'
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu if you do musl rotor correctly, after stripping the elf you get a roughly 4M bin.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349545 << now it goes to fund klimate reeeesearch!!1111☝︎
assbot: Logged on 21-12-2015 18:50:08; mircea_popescu: it's just that at some point some % of gdp went into researching pewter alloys and making dumbass candlesticks and now it doesn't.
asciilifeform: nobody cancelled the church, it just morphed into 'hjooooman rightz' crapolade
asciilifeform: every bit as virulent and pestilential
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349525 << usg's vaguely quakerist state religion eats considerably more than 10%☝︎
assbot: Logged on 21-12-2015 18:32:56; mircea_popescu: well no, removed the entire religion thing, from the "must build cathedral" to "tithe" - speaking of which, you ever seen l'avare with de funes ? epic tithing scene in there - and on and on. review the literature of the 1800s, about half the drivel printed was various clerics opiniong self importantly on matters they thoroughly ignored.
asciilifeform: (30 to 100 percent depending on how you count)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15550 @ 0.0004871 = 7.5744 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349611 << if pete_dushenski is interested in the trb affair, prolly best bang for his buck will be to learn ~why~ various things were done, rather than the agonizing particulars of ~how~☝︎
assbot: Logged on 21-12-2015 21:21:34; pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: but your controlling point about whose dominion is a thing is well taken. the boundaries here are very loosely defined, and yet so broad that i'm bound to miss important things, but mostly as these important things relate to trb development, an area where my only experience was debian testing and v-verification this summer
asciilifeform: unfortunately this is described nowhere but the logz
asciilifeform: incidentally this is something a fella like pete_dushenski, who is very much fond of writing reviews/expositions/etc. could make a dent in
kakobrekla: ideally should be in the wiki imo
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33206 @ 0.00048933 = 16.2487 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: prolly.
mircea_popescu: !up butts
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "6) in it, set up a stator dir, e.g., /home/luser/rotor/stator and fill distfiles with tarballs, etc. as before." << what the fuck do you think this means ?
mircea_popescu: no more passing by reference!
asciilifeform: it means the instructions from stator
mircea_popescu: pfff.
asciilifeform: (which, when i wrote this, everybody had going)
mircea_popescu: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-June/000102.html this ?
assbot: [BTC-dev] (EXPERIMENTAL) Static Builder for TheRealBitcoin. ... ( http://bit.ly/1COYtUn )
asciilifeform: aha
mircea_popescu: yes yes. the idea being : no reference!
mircea_popescu: so basically, the entirety of work of interest here is : go to http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20150627/stator_7447d6ad798179d04e9d277acb72799b3c7d0eae.tar.gz ; In 'distfiles', read 'MANIFEST' and place the tarballs found therein in said dir.
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MoCeri )
mircea_popescu: the rest of the discussion in http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-June/000102.html being irrelevant
assbot: [BTC-dev] (EXPERIMENTAL) Static Builder for TheRealBitcoin. ... ( http://bit.ly/1COYtUn )
mircea_popescu: right ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24400 @ 0.00049407 = 12.0553 BTC [+] {3}
asciilifeform: correct
mircea_popescu: aaaand where doth one find openssl-1.0.1g.tar.gz
asciilifeform: trb www
mircea_popescu: god damned half filled manifest.
mircea_popescu: why the fuck should i need to ask questions AFTER i read it. how am i better off than one who didn't bother reaqding it, for my effort ? and how's this encouraging people to rtfm already.
asciilifeform: sorta why i wanted a cd
mircea_popescu: cd is not what's keeping you from providing path!
mircea_popescu: ;;google openssl-1.0.1g.tar.gz site:thebitcoin.foundation
gribble: No matches found.
mircea_popescu: right-o.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=06-02-2015#1009833 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 06-02-2015 02:52:08; asciilifeform: 66ebbad3c8ad98a07b486d39d0c3ae62b00133f8f2877cf8b97c461e7c7f40b29cf9c3cae82cf73a92dcf1daa63d33aa76c910fbcbe60158589fc7cb48f41e6d openssl-1.0.1g.tar.gz
asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000067.html also has a 1) hash 2) link to original vendor www
assbot: [BTC-dev] UPDATED v0.0.5: Patching The Reference Implementation: AGuide ... ( http://bit.ly/1PjMQbV )
asciilifeform: which is presumably where everybody's been getting the turdz
mircea_popescu: curl http://thebitcoin.foundation/ | grep "openssl" comes back empty also!
assbot: ..::[ The Bitcoin Foundation ]::.. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JZPY9X )
asciilifeform: looks like mod6's script actually fetches it from openssl site
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that style of presumption is 150% of what's wrong with foss.
mircea_popescu: can't fucking use the thing.
asciilifeform: quite
mircea_popescu: oddly the script i'm using as a guide to hack this together uses boost="http://sourceforge.net/projects/boost/files/boost" curl -L "$boost/1.52.0/boost_1_52_0.tar.gz" \ for some reason, unlike in the other two cases.
mircea_popescu: because nonhomogenuous code ftw.
mircea_popescu: 61mb boost. lord have mercies.
mircea_popescu: sha256sum boost_1_52_0.tar.gz
mircea_popescu: eea637a4ce9f9b45a0d5e00bb9462c9f084086264d85d63133dd6d240398b28f boost_1_52_0.tar.gz
mircea_popescu: and this differs from fc512d3bfa6a39a60fee548775c97239271cf757587b8df7ed739c800844a819a359dca172be0e69ad7752753753139bf11f0813d650066d58386662fe32842d boost_1_52_0.tar.bz2 in the manifest
mircea_popescu: oh the manifest is sha512.
mircea_popescu: listen we really gotta pick one of these and stick to it.
asciilifeform: 222b6afd7723f396f5682c20130314a10196d3999feab5ba920d2a6bf53bac92 distfiles/boost_1_52_0.tar.bz2
asciilifeform: ^ mine
asciilifeform: (sha256)
asciilifeform: what givez
mircea_popescu: holy shit sha512sum doesn't match either.
mircea_popescu: i get 8de651beb9a48f91f8a797f44966b8f25c3351d6893c1d79969aeb2ded3adeaf8fc14aa9b8a4410081dde9ef155330b41a4982a62b55adde40bb73f0066c74a2 boost_1_52_0.tar.gz
mircea_popescu: they changed the archive.
asciilifeform: fc512d3bfa6a39a60fee548775c97239271cf757587b8df7ed739c800844a819a359dca172be0e69ad7752753753139bf11f0813d650066d58386662fe32842d distfiles/boost_1_52_0.tar.bz2
asciilifeform: l0l
mircea_popescu: bzwut
mircea_popescu: oh ffsake
mircea_popescu: nonhomogenous manifests, also. do you hate me ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: post diff ?
mircea_popescu: your manifest has .bz2 for boost, .gz for everything else
mircea_popescu: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000067.html script uses .gz throughout
assbot: [BTC-dev] UPDATED v0.0.5: Patching The Reference Implementation: AGuide ... ( http://bit.ly/1PjMQbV )
mircea_popescu: im going to proceed on the grounds that i match that sha256 but srsly...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26848 @ 0.00049447 = 13.2755 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: ok, so i have /rotor/stator/stator/distfiles/boost_1_52_0/ ; db-4.8.30/ ; openssl-1.0.1g/
mircea_popescu: that it, is the distfiles loaded and i can proceed ?
asciilifeform: distfiles has the tarballs
mircea_popescu: it does yes.
asciilifeform: boost_1_52_0.tar.bz2 db-4.8.30.tar.gz openssl-1.0.1g.tar.gz
mircea_popescu: uh.
mircea_popescu: no, all .gz
asciilifeform: odd
mircea_popescu: what could possibly be odd about it. i had to gather them by hand, which i did.
asciilifeform: anyway there is also an 'ourlibs' dir where all of the built crud will go. empty at the start.
mircea_popescu: i have to make this ?
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: http://dpaste.com/2CNDJ6Y << my rotor.sh
assbot: dpaste: 2CNDJ6Y ... ( http://bit.ly/1PjN7vE )
asciilifeform: incidentally do you have the toolchain built ?
mircea_popescu: god damned it.
mircea_popescu: listen to me : TWO HOURS ago i gave a girl a task.
mircea_popescu: she returned with an error, after going very smoothly throughout everything mod6 made, hour and a half ago.
mircea_popescu: i fixed that and went to eat. she returned with an hour within minutes, and i've been spending my time debugging your inept shit.
mircea_popescu: it is unconscionable, this.
asciilifeform did not write the build script on trb site
asciilifeform wrote strictly what appears in http://dpaste.com/2CNDJ6Y
assbot: dpaste: 2CNDJ6Y ... ( http://bit.ly/1PjN7vE )
mircea_popescu: the moment we go off mod6 instructions and into alf instructions we suddenly need a rear admiral and five airline pilots.
mircea_popescu: so lettuce see if this thing can be made to work sanely once and for all.
mircea_popescu: i have exactly nothing anywhere. the disk is fucking empty. this is deliberate.
mircea_popescu: no "as before" ; no "mine", none of the bs.
asciilifeform: somehow i thought that mod6 et al had something like a build system
mircea_popescu: it doesn't appear so.
asciilifeform: apparently !
trinque: he does. I have run it and am syncing a bitcoind from its product.
mircea_popescu: trinque link ?
trinque looks
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349766 << indeed.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 21-12-2015 22:53:29; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349611 << if pete_dushenski is interested in the trb affair, prolly best bang for his buck will be to learn ~why~ various things were done, rather than the agonizing particulars of ~how~
trinque: mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-11-2015#1333964 << I had to dos2unix the script before running.☝︎
assbot: Logged on 30-11-2015 04:08:01; mod6: trinque, et. al: The updated [version 99997 K] rotot v054-TEST2 (via `V') script: http://dpaste.com/3J5SA2V.txt
mircea_popescu: holy shit it's in a dpaste in the logs ?
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349859 << /me recalls many hours spent on this exact back-and-forth and hack-and-saw over the summer☝︎
assbot: Logged on 21-12-2015 23:33:24; mircea_popescu: the moment we go off mod6 instructions and into alf instructions we suddenly need a rear admiral and five airline pilots.
trinque: did output a usable product thereafter, and it's running on a debian, was built on a gentoo where it also ran.
mircea_popescu goes to punch out baby seals
trinque: definitely needs to be released on the site..
mircea_popescu: trinque mind dpasting your fixed version then ?
trinque: sure
trinque: hell I'll put it on deedbot.org
mircea_popescu: ok.
trinque: so it is not lost to the sands of dpaste
mircea_popescu: and fwiw i'm on rotor 99998 iirc.
pete_dushenski also recalls this particular dpaste, even having tried it on fresh os!, and failing for reasons i shamefully didn't have time to delve into further
pete_dushenski: that it was only in logs was a bit odd
mircea_popescu: mod6 as a purely aesthetic point, i hate that your v puts its files/dirs straight under ~. it would be much better if it made them under current dir.
mircea_popescu: as it is i put .wot in /trb/.wot but the .seals are still up one level ;/
trinque: http://deedbot.org/build-bitcoind-99997K.sh
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MslfyQ )
trinque: http://deedbot.org/build-bitcoind-99997K.sh.asc
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Msldar )
mircea_popescu: Peter Korsgaard and his 1024D bullshit
mircea_popescu: this is what we're hinging on ;/
mircea_popescu: how the fuck is 0xAB07D806D2CE741FB886EE50B025BA8B59C36319 even worth loading into a system in 2015.
mircea_popescu: anyway, rm -rf rotor and let's see this script
mircea_popescu: trinque am i expecting any particular output ?
trinque: the first output is it verifying signatures of various curl downloads, as I see it running it again.
mircea_popescu: right. so i now notice it made a rotor dir
mircea_popescu: V-20151129.tar.gz
mircea_popescu: ../ V-20151129.tar.gz.mod6.sig
mircea_popescu: buildroot-2015.05.tar.gz v.pl*
mircea_popescu: buildroot-2015.05.tar.gz.sign v.pl.mod6.sig
mircea_popescu: rotor.tar.gz v_quick_start.txt*
mircea_popescu: rotor.tar.gz.sig v_quick_start.txt.mod6.sig
mircea_popescu: TEST2/ v_users_manual.txt*
mircea_popescu: toolchain/ v_users_manual.txt.mod6.sig
mircea_popescu: polimedi@polimedia.us [~/trb/rotor]#
mircea_popescu: pointedly absent, an autogen.sh or any sort of obvious make target.
trinque: yes, and after building the binary will be buried at rotor/TEST2/bitcoin/src/bitcoind
trinque: I would say that the file tree here needs some work.
mircea_popescu: building what ? how ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we don't use automake, it is of the heathens
trinque: it is running the rotor/TEST2/rotor.sh ...
mircea_popescu: so what do we do ?
trinque: yes but this is seriously layered and needs to be smashed into one script.
mircea_popescu: my test2 is empty.
asciilifeform: (my rotor.sh would have been a standard makefile, but gnumake has problems invoking makes recursively)
trinque: mircea_popescu: the build script ought to be making all this
trinque: it blew up?
mircea_popescu: it finished without error, created the dir quoted above and thats it
mircea_popescu: /home/polimedi/.wot directory does not exist. Refer to help.
mircea_popescu: o god damned it.
mircea_popescu: i can't choose where to put anything, right ?
mircea_popescu: ima wipe this entire thing and start over. god damned tis frustrating.
trinque: also would be good to have curl output some progress info when downloading. it otherwise appears hung when pulling down boost, or did to me.
mircea_popescu: currently spewing stuff in terminal, seems ok.