Adlai: mircea_popescu: "is to pay" is a stronger statement than "if you pay, ..."
mircea_popescu: besides you know, they prolly go in different bundles, and in general, it's not the signature that's subordinate to the document, but the other way around
assbot: Hacker Dreams Up Crypto Passport Using the Tech Behind Bitcoin | WIRED
assbot: Bitcoin Address 1LAwrWMbPLLSpt7nkD5Jv1Yf4cwPhD98ny
joecool: oh cool it hooks into blockchain.info now, very nice
assbot: Logged on 04-06-2014 00:08:26; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the buggers' traditional defense is to pretend that the event was a non-event - or, if this is impractical, to continue living in an imaginary world where they 'scooped' the story first, and all of the 'unsanctioned' discussion never happened.
punkman: the bundle txs are unspent, if that's what you meant
punkman: no that's the balance being spent for each next bundle
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don;'t think the wired story has anything to do with anything. for one thing... they EXPIRE ?!?!?!
punkbot: punkman: Balance at 1LAwrWMbPLLSpt7nkD5Jv1Yf4cwPhD98ny is 0.01372 BTC (0.05 unconfirmed), enough for 124 more bundles.
Adlai: well, people expire...
mircea_popescu: punkman 14r4VdZFYJnGG52B6w9Th7oKjGXU1pDzKX is spent say
punkman: mircea_popescu: yeah just noticed, that's good
punkman: faucet incentivizes verification
punkman: I'm guessing nubbins` will be printing the first batch of La Serenissima passports ;)
mircea_popescu: but i mean the passport comes as a temp freenode:#bitcoin-otc:blabla string
punkman: well maybe novelty item then
mircea_popescu: well wait. identity is pubkey. the rest is the passport.
punkman: and signature of the kingdom>
assbot: ICAO Public Key Directory (PKD)
mircea_popescu: it's not work of satan, it;'s work of whoever was the demon of sloth
Adlai: passports as private key... remind me of some gag where a bitcoiner gets some "paper wallets" for his fiat account and discovers that his keys are printed in cleartext on every page
assbot: So I went to open a checking account today...How these banks have stayed in business this long is beyond reason. : Bitcoin
mircea_popescu: fun story : romania's dictators had nfi that they will be shot. because srsly, who would shoot obama, and why ?!?!?!
mircea_popescu: eventually, as things got out of control they ran off in a helicopter
mircea_popescu: the woman, being also a mother, took some money with her for her children.
mircea_popescu: these consisted of accounts drawn against the national (and only) bank
mircea_popescu: one of those things only ever surprising in retrospect.
punkbot: mircea_popescu: Balance at 1LAwrWMbPLLSpt7nkD5Jv1Yf4cwPhD98ny is 0.06372 BTC (0.0 unconfirmed), enough for 579 more bundles.
mircea_popescu: romanian defence minister got sent to russia on business, including to buy some fighter jets.
mircea_popescu: dictator-wife goes through dictator paperwork, wtf, why do "we" need planes.
mircea_popescu: aparatus desperately calls to moscow, pls to not sign anymore
mircea_popescu: so it is decided that... fancy this... they'll simply not pay.
mircea_popescu: at which point ppl are like wtf, this is some sort of a kindergarten act ?! who ever heard of this
mircea_popescu: ftr, grep -v -f is atrociously ineffectual for large files.
mircea_popescu: shouldn't grep -v -f (x rand(x)) y rand(y) be a function of x*y ?
Adlai: exceeding various cache sizes?
Adlai: pure speculation: it caches the list of -f patterns, then goes over the input lines, testing all patterns on each line. this would have a sharp performance drop as the patterns overflow caches.
Adlai is busy worshipping sterculius
mircea_popescu: im not paying for a week of graybeard to go into its guts tyvm.
mircea_popescu: anyway, stercum means shit. sterculius sounds like the god of diarrhea
Adlai: indeed, i'd like to deal with at most one turd at a time
punkman: it just goes in as a regular deed, but punkbot knows how to verify sig
punkman: (where AQLSTVsF, any deed id)
punkman: and btw, you can even post binary data as deed with :gpg --sign --armor
punkman: could allow larger limit for teh lords
assbot: Feds Begin Their Crackdown on Bitcoin Stocks | WIRED
punkman: "Keirns was doing what came naturally. He had a business idea, and he created a fund."
mircea_popescu: punkman so basically what, it verifies an alt-sig for the body of a prev deed ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah, because the scams hadn't already been cracked down upon a year ago, right here.
punkman: mircea_popescu: yeah, I'd sign your raw deed, then send detached sig to bot
assbot: Logged on 04-06-2014 00:08:26; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the buggers' traditional defense is to pretend that the event was a non-event - or, if this is impractical, to continue living in an imaginary world where they 'scooped' the story first, and all of the 'unsanctioned' discussion never happened.
punkman: the detached sig becomes the body of a new deed, included in bundles as usual
mircea_popescu: ;;rate wired -1 such horribru coverage from the it kindergarten fishwrapper.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user wired has been recorded.
gribble: (unrate <nick>) -- Remove your rating for <nick> from the database.
mircea_popescu: jesus the wot is packed so thight you can't even throw a rock at the swamp without hitting someone
gribble: Successfully removed your rating for wired.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, "we're ~cracking down~ dontcha know, notwithstanding that we have no authority. this activity without effect could nevertheless which could affect scams we sponsored to try and destroy this thing but it didn't work out".
mircea_popescu: punkman so how would a 3rd party verify the contentless signature is anything ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19700 @ 0.00058756 = 11.5749 BTC [+]
punkman: mircea_popescu: I guess referenced deed id is included along with detached sig
mircea_popescu: the fact that thew system offers a strong guarantee that any deed can be verified in 1 step is valuable.
mircea_popescu: "Unfortunately, earnings reported in corporate financial statements are no longer the dominant variable that determines whether there are any real earnings for you, the owner. For only gains in purchasing power represent real earnings on investment. If you (a) forego ten hamburgers to purchase an investment; (b) receive dividends which, after tax, buy two hamburgers; and (c) receive, upon sale of your holdings, aft
mircea_popescu: er-tax proceeds that will buy eight hamburgers, then (d) you have had no real income from your investment, no matter how much it appreciated in dollars. You may feel richer, but you won’t eat richer."
decimation: heh. I wonder if he used this as a defense of his anti-dividend policy
assbot: Codecademy Teams Up With Online And Offline Coding Schools To Create ReskillUSA | TechCrunch
mircea_popescu: well... promising 2.0 businesses such as ethereum could use more css...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00057487 = 7.1284 BTC [-]
assbot: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Title: BITCOIN DECLARATION O - Pastebin.com
punkbot: pete_dushenski: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle.
Adlai: nope, just encountering this now
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17169 @ 0.00056483 = 9.6976 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19900 @ 0.00056101 = 11.1641 BTC [-]
assbot: La Serenissima: Sovereign, Declares Tithe³ | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16371 @ 0.00056331 = 9.2219 BTC [+]
RagnarDanneskjol: i like the declaration but fuck the tax bs for gots sake man. I refuse to sign it! not cool pete
cazalla: RagnarDanneskjol, i don't think anyone said you had to sign it
RagnarDanneskjol: in particular the words it is established and moral requirement are unconscionable
RagnarDanneskjol: ahh ok, I'll take it up with the boss then - thought it originated w/ pete. thanks
RagnarDanneskjol: i get it. there is quite a bit of volunteer support about to flood this channel for this purpose
RagnarDanneskjol: I need to round up the troops and do some crash coursing in wot, etc first
☟︎ decimation: asciilifeform: I did mange to get it working on openbsd, I think it wedged in a different spot
decimation: yeah I was using the 'ports' db, which is 4.6 I think
RagnarDanneskjol: speaking of support, how you been chalbersma - LA treating you ok
chalbersma: Ya been super busy. But it's nice out hear.
chalbersma: What seems to be the support problem you speak of?
RagnarDanneskjol: well, the folks here started a movement to roll back btc core development to a pristine, decrufted state
RagnarDanneskjol: and looking for guys like you with some hands on experience to contribute
assbot: The Bitcoin Foundation finally incorporated! pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: Introducing A New Bitcoin Foundation | Qntra.net
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58120 @ 0.0005603 = 32.5646 BTC [-] {2}
Adlai: nice domain name byte order :D
chalbersma: I assume they're hosting the code somewhere?
decimation: there's nothing like reading a slow signal on an old analog scope
assbot: A summary of changes to Bitcoin since 0.3.21
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16350 @ 0.00056317 = 9.2078 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20124 @ 0.00056367 = 11.3433 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: <RagnarDanneskjol> in particular the words it is established and moral requirement are unconscionable << why ?
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> as i understand, he is trying to somehow deal with the little problem of no one standing up to unwedge 0.5.3 block loader. << nah, not related.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> decimation: i suspect that if you kill the db and run it again - different yet. << pretty much how this works yes.
mircea_popescu: <Adlai> nice domain name byte order :D << ben_vulpes idea
RagnarDanneskjol: mircea_popescu i suppose the notion of taxation in any form makes my brain burn -whether it be through force, state declaration or moral requirement. I am all in favor of the foundation and will likely contribute more than .01% of my earnings to it, but pressing a moral obligation or establishing a rule/precedent for 'taxation' for anyone participating in btc commerce just doesn't make
RagnarDanneskjol: any sense to me -especially until the foundation proves its worth/value
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol well... you familiar with the expression "i gave at the office" ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, arguing against all tax may be a difficult tack for your average business trying to get on with its business rather than become noam chomsky.
mircea_popescu: manwhile, if they subscribe to this, they don't have to : "i won't pay you any tax, not for any other reason than that ~i already paid~".
mircea_popescu: so in this sense, it's politically useful. while i can appreciate the philosophical argument of "epsilon is still fundamentally different from 0", it doesn't carry as much practical importance as all that. for one thing, everyone feels entitled to tax you .1%, including any bank moving your money, and so on and so forth. heck, the miners are taxing about 0.1%
mircea_popescu: making it a moral imperative rather than a legal imperative is also important, precisely because the ancient style of voluntary taxation is actually superior, on all scores, to whatever coercitive crap the socialists are doing today.
RagnarDanneskjol: not a tax - those are fees - paying for a service - one can opt out. point taken on moral vs legal imperative.. its the imperative part i'm still struggling with
assbot: Some basic discussion of charity pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: main point being that ever since kant, all sorts of imperatives are left around.
PeterL: mircea_popescu: ^this one's for you :)
Adlai tries his hand at the turd polish
assbot: adlai/bitcoin at polish · GitHub
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18254 @ 0.00056483 = 10.3104 BTC [+]
PeterL: I wonder if I should be caching a copy of documents so that it does not have to do the conversion for everybody clicking the link you just posted?
mircea_popescu: the next words out of my mouth were, PeterL pls to cache documents and
mircea_popescu: also if you queue incoming requests you can make sure you don't overrun your resources. sorta like how phuctor works
PeterL: hmm, now thinking of best way to do this ...
kakobrekla: convert on first request then serve from disk
Adlai: chalbersma (and anybody else who may have looked at the repo), please make sure to pull the non-FF changes that properly attribute commit authors
chalbersma: When I get a chance to do some hacking I'll be sure to.
ben_vulpes: the thing is best pursued as the outputs of *authors*, rather than any sort of "blessed" anything by any sort of "foundation".
ben_vulpes: in the same vein as the declaration, the only code that matters is that as published by *individuals*, and only ever those in the wot.
ben_vulpes: Adlai: do us all a favor, and send the mailing list an email, yeah?
ben_vulpes: describe the repo in question and your branching policy if you have such and the time to elaborate upon it.
mircea_popescu: "I lost a shit load in investments. I dont have anymore BTC left."
mircea_popescu: "investments" they're called. mpoe-pr was totally a smart way to use money huh.
mircea_popescu: "In my last post, I posited a fictional world, Crypton, where no governments1 back up contracts with the threat of force2."
mircea_popescu: "i read some shit from last year's trilema and here's my inept respinning of it!"
zanza: has anyone tried Bit4x?
zanza: yeah, he lists this as the IRC channel :o
zanza: bit4x good site? i am looking to do forex in bitcoin
zanza: it seems to have goot OTC review
kakobrekla: well the site isnt that good but the service is
zanza: ok :) cool ill send an email and like to setup an cct
zanza: the people on Bitcointalk seem rude
assbot: American Bitcoin Pirate Slammed for Securities Violations
mircea_popescu: "Greg Matthews is an internet pioneer and early domainer. "
mircea_popescu: seriously ? fucking retard world out there. "little timmy dribbles is an early cerealizer and soup eater"
zanza: Kakobrekla, may I ask, does running the Bit4x site have a lot of risk for you? i mean if prices change
zanza: or is it not that risky if price changes
mircea_popescu: " After selling his ISP company in 2007, he began work as a researcher and advocate for digital currencies. He enjoys working as a freelance writer and is editor in chief at Altcoin Press." totally, 5 year gap in the mongoloid's cv. spent 2007-2013 staring at a brick.
zanza: ok, so do you balance the bitcoin storage somehow like I forget the word
zanza: so the price change doesn't effect you
zanza: I assume you use your own money to do the forex
zanza: and keep BTC as reserve
zanza: but you can't trade currency with BTC right? like Eur/USD
zanza: is business ok for you? something you will continue doing in the future?
zanza: hoping it gets bigger
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23988 @ 0.00056483 = 13.5491 BTC [+]
zanza: I was reading Bitcointalk, people are looking for Forex to do with Bitcoin, but the main issue is trust
mircea_popescu: it's rare that noobs manage to ask questions i actually want to hear the answer to.
zanza: but the main Forex companies are so regulated by government I don't want to deal with them
zanza: none of them allow you to keep BTC balance I believe
kakobrekla: there will web interface, api, internal signals, maybe mobile
mircea_popescu: zanza if it helps you, kakobrekla had ~100 btc investment from F.MPIF for a few months, in his panacea forex fund. he paid back.
zanza: cool :) I think it is a great idea
zanza: and has very big possibility
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5650 @ 0.00056397 = 3.1864 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: a spoonful of dung has very big possibility, in the future.
Adlai: ;;isup www.bit4x.com
kakobreklaa: lucky i update the page once every 6 months or so you can look at internet archive for freshest news
assbot: Loreena McKennitt - La Serenissima - YouTube
Adlai: kakobreklaa: so, this works entirely through mt4?
assbot: pczarn/metatrader-multilang · GitHub
Adlai: upon further examination it does not seem to work
Adlai: or more precisely... it works, but not as expected by the optimistic plumber
Adlai: please tell us more about your pgpivorous steroid socket
kakobreklaa: not much to it, you send a signcrypted message to socket and get back an answer, just like mpex works
Adlai: live public coaching via irc sometime next week?
Adlai will be away for a while
Adlai: amazing feeling innit
Adlai: to assuage that look of terminal shock in your eyes: there's no real rush, i have an endless list of other turds to polish
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00056397 = 5.4705 BTC [-]
Adlai: but running scalpl on something other than btcfiat has been on the back burner for a long time, in part due to not wanting to touch any glitzy forex gambler-traps
mircea_popescu: omg kako stop sabotaging yourself, you're ready darling! pop that cherry!
Adlai: for all i know, my current parameters could be totally overfit to the quirks of two btcfiat marketplaces, or worse, the whole algorithm could be overfit to bitcoin's crazyness and may be totally worthless elsewhere
Adlai: so this is a fairly important avenue to explore
Adlai has to wait at least a week though, his qntry needs him
assbot: American Bitcoin Pirate Slammed for Securities Violations
assbot: Logged on 08-09-2014 22:35:52; mircea_popescu: "Thank you for this clarification Mr. Nakamoto. It has been an honor to be labeled by my friends as "Satoshi's Drunk Uncle" and it's a moniker I'll wear proudly until the day I retire from Crypto. The Goldcoin (GLD) developers truly admire your work and strive to continue improving upon its design as a tribute to your unparallelled genius. Your admirer and relative in spirit, MicroGuy."
Adlai: (the author of the altcoinpress article)
mircea_popescu: wait. this dumb schmuck is talking to someone who isn't satoshi about how his fambly jesus christ
cazalla: this might be the first day since qntra started that i did not post.. nothing of interest today
mircea_popescu: incomprehensible the void powering these... things, whatever they are. what was he doing before, talking to a bottle of draino about how he's bald in spirit, just like the genie guy ?
assbot: The 9th Circle Film Club: CyberTracker (1994) | Fustar
punkman: any objections to punkbot changing name to "notary"?
Adlai: how about 'stuffy', ie 'not airy'
assbot: South African Goldcoin GLD Conference project on StartJOIN
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33300 @ 0.0005609 = 18.678 BTC [-] {2}
cazalla: punkman, he drinks fosters in his youtube videos and is under the impression that makes him an honorary australia
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16150 @ 0.00056039 = 9.0503 BTC [-]
assbot: South African Goldcoin (GLD) Conference - YouTube
Adlai: gribble | Error: Username already registered. Try a different username. << fucker
cazalla: punkman, prefer the gingerbeer and sarsparilla
punkman: yeah the gingerbeer wasn't bad either
punkman: I can't get a decent gingerbeer around here, been considering brewing my own
Adlai: how do i add a gpg identity to my gribble account? i'm already registered with a bitcoin address, and gribble responds to eregister and echangekey with "Error: Username already registered. Try a different username."
punkman: adlai, echangekey should work I think, what error does it give you?
Adlai: Adlai | oh, a better question would be "in which keyserver does gribble look"
Adlai: punkman: ugh, it's sending me an encrypted otp, but responds to eauth with "Error: You have not registered a GPG key. Try using bcauth instead, or register a GPG key first."
punkman: auth with bc, then changekey?
gribble: Nick 'adlai', with hostmask 'Adlai!~Adlai@gateway/tor-sasl/adlai', is identified as user 'Adlai', with GPG key id None, key fingerprint None, and bitcoin address 13dkw1PtojBW74FN7ERbHqoEvgsTmtARuj
gribble: Nick 'adlai', with hostmask 'Adlai!~Adlai@gateway/tor-sasl/adlai', is identified as user 'Adlai', with GPG key id 4D88596A7CDA03F9, key fingerprint FCBC64EFDF1D6C1E4E964AEE4D88596A7CDA03F9, and bitcoin address 13dkw1PtojBW74FN7ERbHqoEvgsTmtARuj
Adlai: that took way too fucking long and is just as [in]secure as using a privkey >_<
Adlai: they're both the same overall protocol, just a serialization formats and signature algorithms
punkman: well whaddayawant, second factor via SMS?
punkman: Adlai, gotta wait for key to reach jurov
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32051 @ 0.00056006 = 17.9505 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Title: BITCOIN DECLARATION O - Pastebin.com
punkbot: cazalla: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle.
punkbot: [trust-update] added: adlai
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14850 @ 0.00055845 = 8.293 BTC [-]
punkman: adlai tried posting to mail list, but you don't have his key yet
gribble: User 'Adlai', with keyid 4D88596A7CDA03F9, fingerprint FCBC64EFDF1D6C1E4E964AEE4D88596A7CDA03F9, and bitcoin address 13dkw1PtojBW74FN7ERbHqoEvgsTmtARuj, registered on Sat Oct 6 00:55:28 2012, last authed on Sun Nov 9 04:47:12 2014.
http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=Adlai . Currently authenticated from hostmask Adlai!~Adlai@gateway/tor-sasl/adlai .
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11600 @ 0.00055845 = 6.478 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27300 @ 0.00056218 = 15.3475 BTC [+]
jurov: ;;later tell Adlai you're in
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38606 @ 0.00056347 = 21.7533 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24568 @ 0.00056347 = 13.8433 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.00056629 = 6.8521 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14937 @ 0.00056469 = 8.4348 BTC [-] {2}
punkbot: mod6: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> gotta sign, so we 'all hang together or separately' (as, i think, were the words of the americans.) << As true today as it was for Benjamin Franklin at the signing of the Declaration of Independence in 1776
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14200 @ 0.00056629 = 8.0413 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13050 @ 0.00056448 = 7.3665 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4100 @ 0.00056448 = 2.3144 BTC [-]
assbot: Darknet Sweep Casts Doubt on Tor Tor Will Be Defeated Again, and Again, and Ag - Pastebin.com
mircea_popescu: well, you gotta remember, a thing made is always a platform for further things.
mircea_popescu: the reason for it is contained in the declaration's last paragraphs.
mircea_popescu: governments have actual money to waste, and they do on hiring idiots.
mircea_popescu: then those idiots become a group large enough to drive fashions.
mircea_popescu: keeping idiots poor and powerless is the only sound purpose of government.
mircea_popescu: oh, wait, because the audience is demented and can't be trusted ?
mircea_popescu: you pump out the text, they figure out how to display it ?
mircea_popescu: nobody perceived a need for pdf back before sept 1993 did they ?
mircea_popescu: i tell you. fixed-form is an instrument for talking with the braindamaged.
mircea_popescu: well yes, because printers are still by and large about as smart as a public servant.
mircea_popescu: you know, while this may well be a pn complete problem in the general case,
mircea_popescu: otherwise, the problem is not nearly as hard as all that.
mircea_popescu: dude. i question it even makes sense to have a good programming language right back at ya!
chetty: adobe is one of the pillars of evil
chetty: adobe reps were very adept at sabatoge back in the w3c days
mircea_popescu: fwiw, asylum, which i typeset myself, was printed as a pdf. the house ran a large web press, did my run in like three hours.
pete_dushenski wonders why mod6 and asciilifeform signed the tithe3 with SHA1...
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform so ancient that you can't setpref to SHA512?
mod6: pete_dushenski: ah, yah, overlooked the flag *grumble*
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah, and suppose you see a message from me using sha1 when you know i use sha512.
mircea_popescu: gotta understand that any big bad only exists as a work of fiction, otherwise is simply a collection of men. gotta give those men ways out, so that "mysterious" and "inexplicable" things happen
mircea_popescu: big bad is dumb as rocks, on its own. has nfi what all the things mean.
assbot: Weblog for dkg - HOWTO prep for migration off of SHA-1 in OpenPGP
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9554 @ 0.00056563 = 5.404 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: easiest thing in the world is a mistake. the fucking cold war was won not by any other means than... mistakes.
mod6: well, i guess there isn't anything I can do now, other than sign it again with 512 ://
mircea_popescu: at some point in the cold war, the united states president was a totally inept ninkompoop, principally remembered for having taken his shoes off in the un council. this guy had an oversized military and inept economic policies that stalled the country. his fellow americans didn't think much of him, kept making little mistakes.
mircea_popescu: these piled up, eventually the us collapsed of it, took them twenty years to regroup, but meanwhile lost alaska and california.
JorgePasada: Anyone going to CCC this year? I'm thinking about making the trip
mircea_popescu: course then russia was trying to join california in the warsaw pact, and a bunch of topless aggitator chicks kept fucking the pot,
mircea_popescu: appreciate my "in the end it's unclear" instead. it's damned good :D
mircea_popescu: mod6 it's no big deal, just change your pref and forget about it.
mod6: *nod* ok, thanks mp
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00056629 = 1.6989 BTC [+]
assbot: CCC - 31c3 (@31c3) on Twitter
JorgePasada: Technically 31c3 is the confrerence I guess
assbot: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Title: BITCOIN DECLARATION O - Pastebin.com
punkbot: asciilifeform: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4382 @ 0.00056629 = 2.4815 BTC [+]
pete_dushenski: noob question about pgp keys: is there any sense in airgapping for signing only?
ben_vulpes: you can also pull your master key out of the keyring and stash it safely somewhere, pete_dushenski
pete_dushenski: so i guess the question is whether keeping a key online for gribble authing is *that* much of a risk
pete_dushenski: i suppose you could use a subkey for gribble and keep the master airgapped
PeterL: asciilifeform: re flash: my daughter's school uses some online math games, requires flash. I tried to log her in, can't because most recent flash is no longer supporting linux or pre-'08 macOS
JorgePasada: PeterL: You running something with a PowerPC chip?
PeterL: just another way to introduce more dependencies
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> personally, i have always used only the most basic and essential subset of pgp std. functionality. <<
PeterL: JorgePasada: no, it is an intel
JorgePasada: PeterL: Couldn't you just download a custom browser package that has a version of flash bundled with it then?
PeterL: but old enough that it can't upgrade to newer versions of MacOS
PeterL: JorgePasada: do they have such things?
mircea_popescu: PeterL yeah, flash running browsers have been a ubuntu specialty.
PeterL: I don't feel like I need flash enough to get a whole new browser
JorgePasada: PeterL: I believe that all versions of chrome do this automatically
PeterL: Oh, my computer can't get chrome, in VM Ubuntu the chrome says it can't get the latest flash
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PeterL: I might just break down and get a newer computer sometime
PeterL: sort of the complete opposite of open source?
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mircea_popescu: as stupid as the man in charge can be, the benefits often outpace the damage. this was discussed here re stalin
mircea_popescu: this is, at least in my view, why personal sovereignity is not avoidable on the mid or long term.
mircea_popescu: the open/closed software has no stable solution otherwise.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, living things seem a little more advanced than our computers on this exact path
mircea_popescu: they use exaclty a biological implementation of personal sovereignity to build open but not too open systems that survive well in the world.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, for the theoretically minded : would you say the b-a software paradigm is open source or closed source ?
mircea_popescu: yeah hacking the supernintendo is actually still part of training hackers afaik.
PeterL: we have a software paradigm now?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform PeterL it's developing software, is it not ?
PeterL: could you specify our paradigm?
PeterL: so far, to me, it looks open source
PeterL: but anybody can read it
mircea_popescu: suppose ninjashogun wants to push a patch for deedbot. or, whatever, the cardano.
PeterL: and anybody can get into the WoT
mircea_popescu: yes, anyone can read it. i went to a swinger's club yest, anyone could look at my bitches.
mircea_popescu: and i did happen to have the finest bitches in the place, buncha losers.
mircea_popescu: that safadean fellow can get in the wot. but otherwise, most people can try.
PeterL: well, with code, they could fork it and make their own version
mircea_popescu: i hear gavin is planning to fork bitcoin and make his own version.
PeterL: so therefore it is open for anybody to take
JorgePasada: PeterL: Anyone can fork it, not anyone can do the backlog of proof of work to 'take' things though.
mircea_popescu: PeterL huns are open for anyone to take, and kill themselves with.
mircea_popescu: code works slowly, you spend a life and in the end it's all a waste.
JorgePasada: asciilifeform: exactly, it's in the network of people & the chain of transactions and everything that's brought us to this point.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is necessarily so. because godel is a cult.
mircea_popescu: PeterL look at the discussion about al schwartz's failed measurements.
mircea_popescu re-reads, notices he misspelled guns as huns, wonders why the fuck has he not realised this before.
PeterL: would you consider chemistry literature open or closed? I guess it is similar idea, to put stuff in it has to be vetted by experts
PeterL: dunno, mircea_popescu asked about open/closed source
mircea_popescu: PeterL the reason i said "for the theoretically minded" was exactly this tongue in cheek point. "take your broken models and try make sense of the world whydontcha!"
PeterL: but I want everything to fit in the models I already have !!1!
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mircea_popescu: anyway, re the entire extension and so forth : everything that works on the internet and in the world works on "our" principles.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck ever read whatever software the dns letters run ? who ever wrote a patch for it ?
pete_dushenski: the architect knows more than the inspector ever could
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes god? babylonians? what difference does it make ;)
JorgePasada: pete_dushenski: Yeah, we just have a lot of half-assed implimentations of it in modern society.
JorgePasada: Bitcoin is a whole-assed implementation of skin in the game...
JorgePasada: or an assholes implementation, forget which.
mircea_popescu: i believe the proper femsociety word for one who does not care about stupid shit is rapist.
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mircea_popescu: "The result? A formatting language too wimpy even for a novel." <<< this is pure nonsense. i had my novel on the web just fine in plain html.
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mircea_popescu: chetty can you believe people still buy your stuff a decade later ?
chetty: now I wonder how many copies of that are floating about
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it was a fun thing to make, that. i think i still have the publisher responses somewhere, "omg you write the greatest letters and whoa so sorry i can't publish this"
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chetty: this isnt mono, its a parasite from central america
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chetty: nah, just new to the us, because of all the immigration
mircea_popescu: i guess after all the tb and bedbug outbreaks in the best socialist california, twas unavoidable.
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mircea_popescu: anyway, speaking of leprosy, that thing is a wonder to behold.
mircea_popescu: it's basically a normal bacterium genome that was completely mushed to bits, barely a third of it still works.
mircea_popescu: yet the thing still survived to present day. makes stuff like the www look likely to live on.
mircea_popescu: "Professional graphic artists generally produce Web sites on Macintoshes. They slave over the images until the mid-tones look just right, mid-tones that will be mapped almost to black on a typical Sun workstation or PC. The solution to this problem is trivial: a gamma= field in the IMG HTML tag."
mircea_popescu: giving idiot "web designers" a gamma= is like giving idiot web designers autoplay video with a volume=.
mircea_popescu: dude.... spend the time to put a (was it clock driven ?) spectrometer in a laptop
mircea_popescu: "If you wrote @bold{foo} instead of <bold>foo</bold>, you would not even /want/ to say @bold{foo @italic{bar} zot} if you expected to get foo in bold, zot in italic, and bar in both." <<< wait, wut ?
mircea_popescu: no but wait, my question is, if not {[()]} then what, ()[()]() etc ?
mircea_popescu: in the end. and its a great point. but before he gets there he steps in it.
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punkbot: mod6: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle.
mod6: ^ with the 512 for good measure
mod6: mp also, thx for the tip about "personal-digest-preferences"
mod6: so has anyone else noticed that the makefile doesn't provide a way to build /without/ debug flags? lol
mod6: you know, incase you'd like to have a binary that isn't bloated with debug symbols?
mod6: anyway, there is a bunch of stuff obv. just another thing for clean up at some point.
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punkman: repository also has example of colliding keyids
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mircea_popescu: punkman: any objections to punkbot changing name to "notary"? << i like it.
punkbot: jurov: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle.
ben_vulpes: lol did we *all* overlook the typo in the last paragraph?
mircea_popescu: cazalla: australian* even << really seems that guy is trying superhard to belong ?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i was curiously waiting for the first one to notice.
ben_vulpes has a feeling he'll be saying that a lot
jurov: that's there for future data archeologists, to discern fakes
jurov: they will also consider this a confirmation that mircea rides his keyboard hard
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jurov: the article mentions "boundries" several times, too
mircea_popescu: "If the output size of the chosen hash is larger than the number of bits of q, the hash result is truncated to fit by taking the number of leftmost bits equal to the number of bits of q. This (possibly truncated) hash function result is treated as a number and used directly in the DSA signature algorithm."
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ben_vulpes: it's hard to tell if it's claiming that. the doc says "try this"
ben_vulpes: subject of .9, has anyone downloaded the full chain with a .5/.6/.7/.8/.9 client? no bootstrapping, no shared db?
punkman: it also does some tricks to make it look like v4 "Create a PGPv3 public key, v4 UID, and v4 signature"
mircea_popescu: anyway, this is of relatively little consequence to us, because we use gribble rather than the pks mess.
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mircea_popescu: yeah srsly, use fingerprints. but that aside, best practice is still to extract key via gribble db
punkman: you can only get fingerprint from gribble
mircea_popescu: keyid8A736F0E2FB7B452 fingerprint 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452
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jurov: ben_vulpes iirc i did it with .7 or .8 then "bootstrapped" .9 by pointing it to .8 node on LAN
jurov: but a hdd died, so i don't have pre - .9 blockchain anymore
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ben_vulpes is wondering about the practicality of using 0.5.3 as a starting pin
jurov: we'll see if this gets anywhere... it's how much since whole thing started? a week?
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mircea_popescu: and im pretty sure all my blockchains are pre .5 for that matter.
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saifedean: mo, i did email you the dissertation the other day, did you get it?
mircea_popescu: i didn;'t get around to reading it yet, but its in the pile.
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saifedean: so, mp, are you going to be in Buenos Aires January/Feb? I might be popping by for a week or so
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mircea_popescu: saifedean yes. for that matter, the bitcoin conference is in april.
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saifedean: much as i'd love to be in the conference, april might be tough, especially as i'm so goddamn far, but i'll let you know if i manage to work out jan/feb
saifedean: but if you like buenos aires and istanbul, from what i gather from your blog, you will absolutely love beirut... who's like istanbul's little prettier sister
mircea_popescu: Naphex on a related note, i really don't get all these derps going "oh you know what ? i'll run a hertzner vm through this magic layer. presto, totally anon!"
saifedean: you lay down the law and the bikers disappear, mp... just book your ticket
gribble: Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead.
JorgePasada: Anyone have any good reading on all the stuff that's been happening with tor because of this latest raid thing?
dub: i think the learning is (or was since years ago) don't use tor
JorgePasada: Yeah, not for anything secure obviously, but you can still learn from stuff like this I feel
dub: you can learn not to do anything on a network that you wouldnt be happy with obama reading
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dub: they need to share that good weed around
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