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ben_vulpes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBFYTNXaP5U << the only acceptable listening for hacking aws automation
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mircea_popescu: lol
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: herr church: from his writings, it seems as if he started out as basically-functional human (maths type?) but then ended up in the si. valley garbage disposal and was mutilated there (e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7340013)
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asciilifeform: now he's a living 'tilt mode' and campaigns for... unionizing programmers ?
asciilifeform: or perhaps not in sv proper, but in related bezzlatron elsewhere
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asciilifeform doesn't know this fellow, can't say for certain
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i agree.
asciilifeform: http://michaelochurch.wordpress.com/2014/06/09/silicon-valley-and-the-rise-of-the-disneypreneur << basically factual afaik
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mircea_popescu: guy;d have benefited immensely from a non absent father.
asciilifeform: seems like he's just pining for gasenwagen and yearns to hasten it
mircea_popescu: in point of fact, unionization of "founders" in sv is unavoidable.
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asciilifeform: probably a good candidate for a future 'joseph stack' incident.
asciilifeform: wonder what kind of kinetic energy delivery system he'll pick.
mircea_popescu: nah these cowardly pricks never kill anyone.
asciilifeform: sure they do.
mircea_popescu: "The 2010 Austin terrorist attack" dude for crying out loud.
asciilifeform: 'the broom shoots once.'
mircea_popescu: do these people even know what terrorist means ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the broom dood. not the dog vomit moss.
mthreat: what's the 2010 Austin terrorist attack?
mthreat: I must have survived it
mircea_popescu: mthreat some guy got pissed off at irs, flew his radio airplane into a pole across the street.
asciilifeform: 'Один раз в жизни и швабра стреляет'
mthreat: oh right
mthreat: I used to work in teh building next to the one he hit.
mircea_popescu: were you terrorized ?
mthreat: He hit the building with the IRS investigators
mthreat: I wasn't terrorized
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: radio airplane << ordinary airplane, with him in
mircea_popescu: im in the process of forcing a point.
The20YearIRCloud: Wasn't it a single engine, real life sized airplane?
asciilifeform: The20YearIRCloud: according to the official story - it was.
asciilifeform wasn't there, didn't fill it
mircea_popescu: radio erevan answers! user : is it true that ivan ivanovich was given a bike ?
The20YearIRCloud: Of course, the greys were behind it
mircea_popescu: re : yes, it is true, except it wasn't ivan ivanovich but vladimir vladimirovich, it wasn't a bike but a car and it wasn't given but taken away
asciilifeform: 'not a bike, but a wheelbarrow, and not given, but deprived of'
asciilifeform: lol
mircea_popescu: :p
asciilifeform: everybody knows that one.
mircea_popescu: "everbody" as in всякий
asciilifeform: ahaha
asciilifeform: in alternate hypothesis of radio-plane-into-pole, what'd he fill it with? octanitrocubane?
mircea_popescu: i was not seriously proposing that was what happened. i was merely illustrating the disproportion between what occurred and terrorism.
asciilifeform: aha
mircea_popescu: "sammy j beats his wife regularly. johnny told his wife if she doesn't stop dressing like an out of work whore he'll beat her too. sammy is on trial for terrorism nao"
asciilifeform: but - how do we know that herr church is a coward?
asciilifeform: merely because he has not flown his plane yet ?
mircea_popescu: well i don't know how we know, and i don't really know how i know. but i do know.
mircea_popescu: i can tell. no idea.
mircea_popescu: too narcissistic perhaps. it just fits with experience.
asciilifeform: his writings are inescapably reminiscent of j. stack's
asciilifeform: at any rate, they have the flavour of the work of a man who doesn't intend to live particularly long.
mircea_popescu: i never read that guy, but i will take the challenge. show how.
asciilifeform: stack? or church
mircea_popescu: well the two. you said they're similar.
asciilifeform: pretty sure we autopsied herr stack here
asciilifeform: !s joseph stack
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mircea_popescu: i guess the j stack replica in my head flew a plane into part of my memory
mircea_popescu: metaterrorism
asciilifeform: lol
asciilifeform: ;;google joseph stack manifesto
gribble: Insane Manifesto Of Austin Texas Crash Pilot Joseph Andrew Stack: <http://www.businessinsider.com/joseph-andrew-stacks-insane-manifesto-2010-2>; here's the Manifesto of Joseph Stack -- "Mr. Big Brother IRS Man ...: <http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7740464>; 2010 Austin suicide attack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: ok so what are the similarities between http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7740464 and article in question ?
assbot: here's the Manifesto of Joseph Stack -- "Mr. Big Brother IRS Man" - RE Austin plane crash - Democratic Underground
asciilifeform: similar in that both attested to being 'in a corner' - whether by ill fortune, having pissed off wrong people, or some genuine misdeeds of whatever kind
mircea_popescu: im not sure that whether is valid in context.
mircea_popescu: people in a corner by ill fortune get depressed. people in a corner by misdeeds reprogram. people in a corner by having pissed off wrong people turn sluts.
asciilifeform: turn sluts ?
mircea_popescu: the only people that start throwing things are the people in a corner through a system they do not wish to continue in any circumstances.
asciilifeform: yes. that'd be it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, the process through which girls become wives and us citizens usg informants.
asciilifeform: even the lowest stoolie is still, at least in his mind, 'part of something'
asciilifeform: especially if his handler isn't quite finished with him
mircea_popescu: exactly.
asciilifeform: this other picture, is that of a feral dog, who knows that the next stop is the soap boiler and carries on accordingly
mircea_popescu: and mike ocd is also part of something. whereas the austin guy clearly is not.
asciilifeform: what gives the picture that he's part of something? and, what might this something e
asciilifeform: be
mircea_popescu: do you see the difference between some party declaring war (whether this is entirely in their own mind and an exercise in pure ridicule) and someone declaring jihad ?
mircea_popescu: the former perceives he has some sort of army.
mircea_popescu: the latter perceives he does not need one.
asciilifeform: there's a palpable 'if not you then who, if not now then when' flavour to the latter.
asciilifeform: like the old u.s. army ad, 'be an army of one.'
asciilifeform: (long gone, incidentally. they got a new pr team.)
mircea_popescu: of course. there's a lot of power in disinterest.
mthreat: this is for mircea_popescu: http://instagram.com/p/dVL0KigdHo
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mircea_popescu: mthreat pastry ?
mthreat: cupcake
mircea_popescu: i just ordered a replica made :D
mircea_popescu: someone, somewhere is probably cursing you nao.
nubbins`: ok, so "what is bitcoin" poster design is complete
nubbins`: just printing a proof now on the inkjet, likely start pre-press in the next couple days
mircea_popescu: cool.
decimation: re: satellite : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Extremely_High_Frequency << according to la wik, it is geosynchronous, not a leo
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mircea_popescu: decimation something that big can't be in leo anyway.
decimation: well, the ISS is
decimation: except they have constantly boost the orbit
mircea_popescu: well the iss is not a closed system.
mircea_popescu: if it had to carry all its fuel it'd have collapsed years ago.
decimation: indeed. the mind reels at the cost/benefit ratio
mircea_popescu: then consider the sigma events.
mircea_popescu: solar flare ? atmosphere expands even 500kms.
mircea_popescu: that means your 2k km orbit has just been degraded significantly, and you're now dragging 10x or 100x what you were a minute ago.
decimation: I was reading antifragile earlier today.
mircea_popescu: (remember skylab ?)
decimation: MIR was up for a long time; also with constant attention
mircea_popescu: yup
decimation: spending the $billions on a robot-mining-factory would have had much better roi than idiots floating in space
asciilifeform wonders if any of these machines were fitted with scoops. snarf up atmospheric gas, piss it out the accelerator tube (earthwise.) no need for on-board tank.
asciilifeform: by no means a 'maxwell daemon', given as there is a power source (officially - photovoltaics; in practice - mini-reactor)
asciilifeform wonders if this could even be carried out mechanically, with something like a wirbelrohr.
decimation: asciilifeform: they definitely do use electromagnets to oppose the earth's magnetic field and generate thrust: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_torquers
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decimation: asciilifeform: the trouble is that you would have to increase surface area, and therefore drag, to operate such a collector
decimation: friction opposes the extra thrust-mass
asciilifeform guesses that someone whose arse depends on the outcome crunched the numbers
asciilifeform guesses wrong before, however.
decimation: heh yeah. it's close to this idea: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bussard_ramjet
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asciilifeform: not strictly necessary to increase surface area.
asciilifeform: just make sure that all exposed surfaces are scoops.
decimation: presumably this would make the surface 'rough', and therefore increase friction. but now we are in the realm of highly non-linear fluid dynamics
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mircea_popescu: * asciilifeform wonders if this could even be carried out mechanically, with something like a wirbelrohr. << you'd need a good ion engine, actually.
mircea_popescu: at something like 100pa, all you need is to accelerate one ion in 100 to 100 times the average brownian speed.
mircea_popescu: this is the major application for ion engines, not space travel : mangement of the upper atmosphere. nobody wants to say this, for some reason.
asciilifeform blows dust of 'reducing space mission cost' (wertzel & larson)
mircea_popescu: and speaking of the upper atmosphere : i have had to extreme pleasure to encounter again the sun of my youth, down here. for the first fifteen or so years of my existence on earth, the sun was this warm, pleasant, narrow source.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nobody wants to say this, for some reason << what? this is a schoolbook fact
mircea_popescu: then it became an impossible near uv, far uv, ir etc horror, to the degree i couldn't even look at the daytime sky.
asciilifeform: only place such engines are ever found
mircea_popescu: but now... it's all better. so i guess in a few more decades only northeners will be fit to go on space missions
mircea_popescu: and they won't even need that much shielding .
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well in teh press. generally "ion engine" => intergallactic travel.
asciilifeform: lol
asciilifeform: it's a fscking commercial product
mircea_popescu: s/nobody/journonobodies
asciilifeform: the difference between profit and orbital garbage
asciilifeform: at any rate, w&l pedantically list every basic gyrostabilization gizmo, including the magnetic one, but nothing bussard-esque.
decimation: la wik recommends this book: "The Star Flight Handbook" for the math on the bussard design
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well iirc that thing was predicated on proton-proton fusion
asciilifeform inherited the little book from a job as student, where he had approximately the same relationship to ion engines as a farting cow has to the 'greenhouse effect'
mircea_popescu: which irl never happens.
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decimation: the most realistic "intergalactic travel" design that I'm aware of is the one that shits nukes every few minutes
asciilifeform: in principle, if you can piss atoms out, in direction opposite where they came from, with greater v - you move.
asciilifeform: or rather, in same directio
asciilifeform: n
asciilifeform: (depends where you want to go)
asciilifeform: opposite, ideally
asciilifeform is not awake
mircea_popescu: Instead I got busy working 100-hour workweeks. Then came the L.A. depression of the early 1990s. Our leaders decided that they didn’t need the all of those extra Air Force bases they had in Southern California, so they were closed; just like that. The result was economic devastation in the region that rivaled the widely publicized Texas S&L fiasco. However, because the government caused it, no one gave a shit about a
mircea_popescu: ll of the young families who lost their homes or street after street of boarded up houses abandoned to the wealthy loan companies who received government funds to “shore up” their windfall. Again, I lost my retirement.
mircea_popescu: but no, because nobel-prize-whatshisface said that government spending is beneficial for the economy.
decimation: heh what link?
mircea_popescu: decimation earlier terrorist.
mircea_popescu: what do you mean making some bases which you then close is on the whole a net negative, putting the place worse off than it would have been had you minded your own business!
asciilifeform: re: magnetorquer: saw one in toy store recently! (vendor: http://www.turtletechdesign.com)
decimation: well, like Mr. church pointed out earlier, most folk who took it hard were the lowly engineers and techs who were just trying to get by
mircea_popescu: generally the masses in the democracy tend to get it nice and hard. which seems fair, if only in a very cold, distant, macro sense.
decimation: asciilifeform: that's pretty cool!
decimation: I suspect they charge golden toilet prices though
asciilifeform: decimation: it was a toy. somewhere north of 100 usd, i think
asciilifeform: just sits there and turns.
asciilifeform: (so long as the room is lit)
decimation: wonder how it would work on the magnetic pole
mircea_popescu: "But I also know that by not adding my body to the count, I insure nothing will change. "
mircea_popescu: people really need to figure out this affect/effect ensure/insure business.
asciilifeform: lol
asciilifeform apparently is not the only one annoyed by the word abuse
mircea_popescu: it really bothers me when i see people who're supposedly detail oriented, engineers and whatnot.
asciilifeform recently walked past a marble wall, thanking various donors to xxx that 'insured a bright future for this establishment'
mircea_popescu: i mean, i don't think i yet published an article without a typo or two in it, sure. but there's a difference.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> solar flare ? atmosphere expands even 500kms. << see, this is why i read the logs obsessively.
ben_vulpes: atmo expands 500kms under flare?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes atmosphere is mostly constrained by gravity, which makes the heat a major factor. if you heat it it expands.
asciilifeform: homophone malapropisms are a kind of leper's bell for people who learned english (or whichever language) by hearing, and are innocent of books
mircea_popescu: upper atmosphere is constrained magnetically. disturb the field, it expan\ds/shrinks
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform quite. and some people shouldn't be innocent of books, and MORE IMPORTANTLY of the written process of thinking.
decimation: the worst effect of a solar flare is the massive plasma cloud that the sun farts when it happens. if it hits the earth just right, it sets up massive moving magnetic fields which generate large currents in long conductors
mircea_popescu: fucking visual "thinkers" meh.
mircea_popescu: decimation that's for down on the surface tho.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there's also a third, very annoying van allen belt (!) that pops up during flares.
asciilifeform: (recently documented)
decimation: asciilifeform: as mircea_popescu said the other night, the sea will be our loving mother long before space embraces humanity
The20YearIRCloud: takes a pretty good hit from a flare to cause significant problems
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes but yes, as far as numerically approached, a major flare can do 500km.
The20YearIRCloud: with all of the flares below X class ones, it just reduces signal range/strength with the benefit being an easier job skipping radio signals
ben_vulpes: paha that's intense.
decimation: The20YearIRCloud: that's not quite accurate
ben_vulpes: so a big one will not just wipe out lots of networks, but also totally fuck a lot of orbital planning.
The20YearIRCloud: That's what my understanding was
asciilifeform: van allen belt, incidentally, is what becomes the 'dynamo' for a nuke's emp burst.
asciilifeform: but afaik this is well-known
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes older satellites are better planned ironically. modern military shit however, especially us stuff is in real danger
decimation: the lower ionospheric d-layer becomes ionized which absorbs most lower-frequency HF signals. most line-of-sight vhf/uhf is unaffected
ben_vulpes: not to me - what do you mean by "dynamo"?
decimation: in the long run, the higher f-layers become ionized too, enabling longer-distance reliable communication on HF
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: older engineers really thought through a lot a lot of potential orbital problems - doesn't really surprise me.
asciilifeform: the place where charge moves (in this case, electrons) to generate magnetic field
The20YearIRCloud: And from my understanding it also effected higher band stuff too
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes no, actually, they just had much less data and better training, so they put slack in.
The20YearIRCloud: And i also thought that some satellites still utilized lower band stuff for altitude controls
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they also paid considerably more for launches
asciilifeform: the machines had to last.
mircea_popescu: current guys are very tightly oppressed by budgets and there's this overwhelming delusion that "we know shit" making a lot of garbage numbers be accepted .
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i meant the same thing. "i have no idea! better make some thick factors of safety in there."
mircea_popescu: yup.
mircea_popescu: inasmuch as "i dunno, make it twelve inches thick" is thinking
mircea_popescu: ironically, in engineering it usually is the best of thinkings.
ben_vulpes: this is closely related to a conversation i had today in which someone tried to argue without proof that a toyota tundra with its 10klb rating could *never NEVER* pull the US orbiter
decimation: the d-layer is up around 60 km above the surface, if the x-rays ionized the air around your head you would have bigger problems
ben_vulpes: i point out a) those ratings are for highway operation, b) those ratings are so that joe sixpack can haul his 12klb boat up a 30deg ramp c) that generally the operating envelope is entirely different
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: never pull? have them visit one of the 19th c. 'rotating prisons'
asciilifeform: jailer turned the entire building on a pivot - with hand crank.
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decimation: http://www.ips.gov.au/Educational/1/3/5 here's a page with a graph that shows attenuation in different frequency bands
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asciilifeform: http://www.rotaryjailmuseum.org
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ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: surprisingly, i understand the power of leverage and reduced friction in tandem.
nubbins`: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPoqNeR3_UA
assbot: Star Trek TNG Ambient Engine Noise (Idling for 24 hrs) - YouTube
kakobrekla: noice.
decimation: re: engineering thinking < taleb makes this point, if you want to learn about reality, ask someone who has tried to get things done, not someone who is a bureaucrat
mircea_popescu: !up InternetNazi
decimation: http://www.isegoria.net/2014/08/read-them-the-riot-act/ "If the group failed to disperse within one hour, then anyone remaining gathered was guilty of a felony without benefit of clergy, punishable by death."
assbot: Read Them the Riot Act « Isegoria
decimation: such a long way the british have fallen
asciilifeform: 'pour la canaille la mitraille.'
decimation: http://www.isegoria.net/2014/08/public-health-benefits-of-culture/ "one could conclude that a mass conversion to Mormonism would reduce social problems more effectively than all welfare spending, academic research, and public health initiatives in the last fifty years."
assbot: Public Health Benefits of Culture « Isegoria
asciilifeform: decimation: wonder why he suggests mormonism, vs. islam.
asciilifeform: (the usual favourite prescription of similar pontificators)
decimation: I suspect that the variance of the "mormon benefit" is lower, given that it hasn't had 1500 years to fracture
mircea_popescu: decimation no, but it would manage to reduce mormonism to something below what its critics today perceive of it.
decimation: I view it as proof of the costs of antinomianism
asciilifeform: 'google workers are clean-shaved and obedient. therefore everyone should be conscripted to work for google.'
asciilifeform: ^ similarly idiotic and equivalent modest proposal
ben_vulpes: <nubbins`> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPoqNeR3_UA << i was rocking that this morning before the shop got rowdy
assbot: Star Trek TNG Ambient Engine Noise (Idling for 24 hrs) - YouTube
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: i just realized i'd been listening to it for 3.5 hours
ben_vulpes: best white noise.
nubbins`: nod
decimation: asciilifeform: you have spoken about the benefits of having a 'tribe' in the past
decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2014#770620 ☝︎
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asciilifeform: decimation: sure.
asciilifeform: doesn't mean you can engineer this retroactively
asciilifeform: mr mold once wrote, if i recall, that his greatest wish is that he were a mormon or moslem
ben_vulpes: 'burner' isn't a bad tribe. needs filtering, but all do anyways.
asciilifeform: burner ?
decimation: asciilifeform: agreed, such things must grow 'organically'
ben_vulpes: someone affiliated with those who attend burning man regularly.
ben_vulpes: the most interesting and network-worthy tend to eschew the actual burn in favor of the smaller regional events and their hometown community.
asciilifeform: what's a tribe next? chess?
ben_vulpes: what's a tribe in the first place?
nubbins`: ^
asciilifeform: pygmies, sure. mormons - ok. tuba players? nope
ben_vulpes: if you're expected to provide succor in time of need and can lean on the tribe in turn in your own time of need?
nubbins`: they're a tribe at band camp
asciilifeform doesn't understand why words must be stretched until they snap. 'tribe' has a well-understood meaning
decimation: ;;ud tribe
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asciilifeform: lol
decimation: lol
ben_vulpes: ""Tribe" is a contested term due to its roots in colonialism."
ben_vulpes: ^^ pediwik
decimation: in other words: whatever some white man thought is racsis, he doesn't get a say
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> someone affiliated with those who attend burning man regularly. << sluts make a much better tribe imo.
asciilifeform: orc science quote of the day:
asciilifeform: 'The smell of diborane is known to a few experimenters, but they cannot tell us what it is.' ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: ('химия и жизнь', 1991, forget which month)
ben_vulpes: plenty of sluts circle the Man
ben_vulpes: "sex positive" << one of the reasons i spent so much time with 'em
mircea_popescu: which is why you believe the burning man is good :)
decimation: herr walker has a book review on boronated fuels http://www.fourmilab.ch/fourmilog/archives/2014-03/001499.html
assbot: Reading List: The Green Flame (Fourmilog: None Dare Call It Reason)
asciilifeform: sr-71 'blackbird.'
asciilifeform: and 'kelly's lighter fluid.'
asciilifeform: (peculiar fuel, that was entirely non-flammable under ordinary conditions, but would burn with triethylboron.)
decimation: here's an older review in a similar vein: http://www.fourmilab.ch/fourmilog/archives/2012-04/001367.html " in the quest for “exotic fuel” (which the author defines as “It's expensive, it's got boron in it, and it probably doesn't work.”), "
assbot: Reading List: Ignition! (Fourmilog: None Dare Call It Reason)
asciilifeform: 'the operator is confronted with the problem of coping with a metal-fluorine fire. For dealing with this situation, I have always recommended a good pair of running shoes.' << famous
mircea_popescu recalls lab where countermeasure was very large h2so4 vat.
mircea_popescu: "in case of ni-fl fire, dump vat"
decimation: how is that going to help? melt your face?
mircea_popescu: i have nfi
asciilifeform: b2h6 is a beauty. reacts with pretty much everything, including fluorocarbon extinguisher agents, e.g. halon.
mircea_popescu: maybe the idea was that if you're close enough you're burning anyway.
decimation: the nazis used hypergolics to 'operationalize' their rocket plane: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C-Stoff " there were numerous catastrophic explosions of the Messerschmitt Me 163 aircraft that employed this fuel system" not shit
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asciilifeform: aha, where sometimes landed, but pilot dissolved.
asciilifeform: until (afaik) the '80s, soviet rockets flew on (asymmetric) dimethylhydrazine
decimation: I guess this is why burt rutan et.al. are so interested in nitrous oxide/kerosene
kakobrekla: a yea messerschmitt, i have flown that.
mircea_popescu: well not that exact model i should hope
decimation: the me-163?
decimation: yeah you would face a pretty good chance of death
kakobrekla: yea, in sturmovik.
decimation: I thought the best part of that tom cruise movie about the 20 juli plot was the fully-painted and operational FW 200 Condor
decimation: sorry I mean a junkers Ju52
decimation: http://www.impdb.org/index.php?title=File:Valk_junker_J52_09.jpg
assbot: File:Valk junker J52 09.jpg - The Internet Movie Plane Database
decimation: apparently there's a group called Ju-air that maintains the thing, I'm sure for golden toliet prices they will also paint like hitler's plane http://www.ruudleeuw.com/dubendorf09.htm
assbot: Dubendorf Air Museum
peterl: mircea_popescu lab where countermeasure was very large h2so4 vat. // decimation: how is that going to help? melt your face? << The acid will absorb the borohydride and deactivate it, makes boric acid
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33199 @ 0.00063788 = 21.177 BTC [-]
decimation: peterl: interesting
peterl: today I realized that in my lab I have ingredients to synthesize methamphetamine ...
decimation: peterl: using methylamine, breaking-bad style?
peterl: and this is why the drug war will never stop, because you can make the stuff from stupidly common compounds
peterl: no, a less traditional synthesis, from benzyl bromide, methylamine and acetaldehyde ☟︎
peterl: oh, wait, you did say methylamine, heh
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4441 @ 0.00063738 = 2.8306 BTC [-] {2}
decimation: peterl: not only mdma, but also lots of other synthetic drugs that haven't even been identified yet
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17209 @ 0.00063613 = 10.9472 BTC [-]
peterl: gave me a great idea of a synthetic project, to optimize the synthesis, but I don't think my boss would like the target
decimation: as usual, usg is there to help http://cen.acs.org/articles/90/i35/US-Criminalizes-Designer-Drugs.html
assbot: U.S. Criminalizes Designer Drugs | August 27, 2012 Issue - Vol. 90 Issue 35 | Chemical & Engineering News
asciilifeform: incidentally, usg proclaims that 'reagents' plus 'intent' is judged like X kg of final product. which usually sums to life-at-hard-labour.
asciilifeform: (where X is the mass of reagents found on the condemned)
decimation: "DEA acknowledges that not all of the designer drugs seized in the effort are listed on Schedule I. But the agency says prosecutors will rely on a federal law that allows these nonlisted compounds to be treated like a controlled substance if they are proven in court to be chemically or pharmacologically similar to a Schedule I drug." LoL as if a jury knows
nubbins`: but officer, i was harvesting this ergot for my migraines
asciilifeform: decimation: famous 'analogues act'
decimation: in engineering school we had a patent lawyer speak about his profession. He said he had to explain to a jury the concept of imaginary numbers, using colored pieces of posterboard
asciilifeform: decimation: did he explain why an engineer must never read an (unexpired) patent ?
asciilifeform: on pain of defrocking
decimation: heh no I hadn't heard that one, why not? one patent game is to "extend" patent X with minor variation X'
peterl: I read unexpired patents all the time
asciilifeform: if you admitted to reading a patent, and then lose infringement suit, plaintiff gets triple damages
asciilifeform: 'willful.'
asciilifeform IANAL but was taught this.
decimation: ah well if you are in that situation your lawyer army will help
decimation: no one is going to sue you unless you have assets to take
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2464 @ 0.00063613 = 1.5674 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: or simply need to 'have problems'
asciilifeform: everybody with an intact starfish has 'assets to take'
decimation: yeah those are 'shake-down' letters, most folks cave in exchange for immunity. newegg is famous for not caving: http://blog.newegg.com/patent-trolls-learn-mess-newegg/
decimation: the worst thing about us patents is the impenetrable legalese in which they are written
nubbins`: an intact starfish!
decimation: re: intact starfish: but not every penny is worth stooping to pick up. depends on circumstances, obviously.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> which is why you believe the burning man is good :) << never said that "burning man" was good
ben_vulpes: only a) it has robust tribes orbiting and b) lovely babes
asciilifeform: 'robust tribes' ?
ben_vulpes shrugs
ben_vulpes: what would you call the thing that people agglomerate into in modern american culture in order to better thrive together than wilt under the radiation indidividually?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29360 @ 0.00063856 = 18.7481 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: tribes prolly worx
ben_vulpes: 's what im saying
ben_vulpes: it's like figuring out where to go to lunch: "no. you vetoed tacos. that means you figure out where we're going. now."
mircea_popescu: lol i find the best and most readily digested argument pro-slavery works out to "i say where we go eat. it takes all of thirty seconds. and if i say everyone gets lamb tikka masala, ordering takes thirty seconds too."
mircea_popescu: the mess hall being the principal argument pro-university in the classical period of universities too.
mircea_popescu: "Zapatillas Baratas"
mircea_popescu: i am now getting argentine spam on top of everything
BingoBoingo: Incredibly lulzy https://bitcoinfoundation.org/2014/08/a-bitcoin-backbone/
assbot: A Bitcoin Backbone | The Bitcoin Foundation
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo matt's backbone thing ? why ?
BingoBoingo: It didn't come from a typical muppet
BingoBoingo: Just really everything it isn't is amazing
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24400 @ 0.00063624 = 15.5243 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: hm ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.29 = 0.58 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19350 @ 0.00063575 = 12.3018 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/JulianMaroda/status/470406487370502144
assbot: Wtf is this for an app add description!? Punish their women, I mean really? /hashtag/DragonvsGod?src=hash /hashtag/AppStore?src=hash /Kotaku http://t.co/Ut6mtZg016
mircea_popescu: someone's gotta do it.
asciilifeform: 'what is best in life? to crush your enemies, see them driven before you, hear the lamentations of their women.'
asciilifeform: ^ probably referred to this
mircea_popescu: prolly. chinese corp.
pete_dushenski: o hello
mircea_popescu: hey
pete_dushenski: so this church dood is a piece o work eh
pete_dushenski: never heard of him prior
mircea_popescu: rule34
pete_dushenski: ;;isitup trilema.com
gribble: Error: "isitup" is not a valid command.
pete_dushenski: ;;isitdown trilema.com
gribble: trilema.com is down
pete_dushenski: o ok
mircea_popescu: orly ?
pete_dushenski: rly
pete_dushenski: first they go for mpoe, then trilema, then… the salmon
pete_dushenski: this being war and all
mircea_popescu: yup server crapped out.
pete_dushenski: whoever it is has skillz the canadian armed farces can only dream of
mircea_popescu: will be back later.
assbot: Last 12 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0GZ42BE.txt )
BingoBoingo: !b 12 ✂︎
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, the process through which girls become wives and us citizens usg informants. << and who precisely did the wives piss off? their fathers?
mircea_popescu: well no, the husband.
pete_dushenski: so how is the husband "the wrong person?"
mircea_popescu: lessee here
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: like the old u.s. army ad, 'be an army of one.' << i remember these well, wondered if they were effective..
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski inasmuch as the married female has no rights and no recourse, pissing off her husband is pissing off the wrong guy. she quickly learns not to do that.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski trilema back on.
pete_dushenski: *no* rights and *no* recourse? perhaps outside of north america.
mircea_popescu: outside of the very thin sliver of things that is north america 1980-2020ish.
mircea_popescu: and some other places and times, equally narrow to irrelevance.
pete_dushenski: lol fair enough
pete_dushenski: an historical aberration to be sure.
pete_dushenski: and even within this temporal vortex there are married women with wisdom
mircea_popescu: i'm making no value judgement here, merely using an example to illuminate a point.
pete_dushenski: understood.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform:jailer turned the entire building on a pivot - with hand crank. << whoa
pete_dushenski: ;;google rotating prison 1800
gribble: Modern Prison History - Drtomoconnor.com: <http://www.drtomoconnor.com/1050/1050lect01a.htm>; The Rotating Prison in the Mountain - story cylinder allegory ...: <http://ask.metafilter.com/78414/The-Rotating-Prison-in-the-Mountain>; Greatest Mathematicians born between 1700 and 1800 A.D.: <http://fabpedigree.com/james/grmatm4.htm>
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26722 @ 0.00063946 = 17.0877 BTC [+]
pete_dushenski: til difference between pennsylvania prison system and auburn prison system
pete_dushenski: panopticon vs typical rows
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: mkay. so in th forest there lived this very horny, huge schlong bear. sort of like one eye pete of the beardom. << with all the petes littering b-a these days, i don't even know if i'm the one who gets to blush at this
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Yen to strengthen against Dollar" http://bitbet.us/bet/975/ Odds: 22(Y):78(N) by coin, 28(Y):72(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.5 BTC. Current weight: 68,774.
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: average impressions per day. << and here i was thinking that we were moving beyond that broken old quantification of clicks business ☟︎
pete_dushenski: http://www.theguardian.com/media/2013/apr/12/news-is-bad-rolf-dobelli?CMP=twt_gu
assbot: News is bad for you and giving up reading it will make you happier | Media | The Guardian
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell princessnell please to note: "Online news has an even worse impact. In a 2001 study two scholars in Canada showed that comprehension declines as the number of hyperlinks in a document increases."
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski: "So terrorism is over-rated. Chronic stress is under-rated. The collapse of Lehman Brothers is overrated. Fiscal irresponsibility is under-rated. Astronauts are over-rated. Nurses are under-rated. We are not rational enough to be exposed to the press."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38250 @ 0.00063997 = 24.4789 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39000 @ 0.00063711 = 24.8473 BTC [-] {2}
RagnarDanneskjol: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1877050914009466
assbot: A Tiny RSA Cryptosystem based on Arduino Microcontroller Useful for Small Scale Networks
RagnarDanneskjol: http://grothoff.org/christian/gns2014wachs.pdf
RagnarDanneskjol: (A Censorship-Resistant, Privacy-Enhancing and Fully Decentralized Name System) - Gnu Name System
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 582 @ 0.00144989 = 0.8438 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9346 @ 0.00063569 = 5.9412 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: mthreat http://trilema.com/2014/ce-vi-chi/
mircea_popescu: !up mckmuze
fluffypony: that looks nom
fluffypony: I really hope Fat Fish has oysters today
fluffypony: I have a haircut at 12:30 and I feel like oysters for lunch
BingoBoingo: fluffypony You ever set up a mining pool before?
fluffypony: nope
fluffypony: just use NOMP, BingoBoingo
fluffypony: it's pretty easy to setup afaik
RagnarDanneskjol: not exactly that easy once you get into the weeds of it, but doable
RagnarDanneskjol: Bingo - you got my message re ixnay on the livechains, yes?
BingoBoingo: Yeah
BingoBoingo: ;;ident RagnarDanneskjol
RagnarDanneskjol: what is protocol for foot in mouth statements made in here - I can't neg rate cause he's not on WoT
gribble: Nick 'RagnarDanneskjol', with hostmask 'RagnarDanneskjol!~ragnardan@75-23-231-33.lightspeed.lgngca.sbcglobal.net', is identified as user 'RagnarDanneskjol', with GPG key id 35D2E1A0457E6498, key fingerprint B4AF6458D7D8A2846F91807935D2E1A0457E6498, and bitcoin address 14ixghmHMcB4szGL3ue5WJ1qnjnWnQXiP6
BingoBoingo: RagnarDanneskjol: It depends
RagnarDanneskjol: what would you do in this case?
BingoBoingo: RagnarDanneskjol: Well since this inquiry was about getting a cheap pool and their sales pitch was for us to buy and ship them a metric fuckton of mining equiptment... Prolly just watch them until they collapse on their own
RagnarDanneskjol: kewl
BingoBoingo: Absolutely no information offered on pool pricing
RagnarDanneskjol: He did over the phone - again, I used him in the past, no probs, but everything that came up online looked bad
BingoBoingo: !up dogless
penguirker: New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/ce-vi-chi/
RagnarDanneskjol: also used this one before - kind of a neat model: https://nicehash.com/
assbot: NiceHash
dogless: hello. I am just crusing. through. I am driving. gotto go.
BingoBoingo: RagnarDanneskjol: Well, nicehash seems to just do hash rental
RagnarDanneskjol: oh yea, right. still need the pool
BingoBoingo: Hash is cheap and easy, verifiably honest pools are harder
RagnarDanneskjol: I'm gonna try to give it another shot this weekend. Last time i wound up pulling my hair out, but issues were all related to unusually fast homebrewcoin i was using
RagnarDanneskjol: never tried to do a normal coin pool
BingoBoingo: %p
atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 1.66 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 645.58 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.07 TH/s
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23400 @ 0.00063472 = 14.8524 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: Well X-Rob was talking about something. May just be the sort of situation where a person just has to get their hands dirty
X-Rob: BingoBoingo: wat
X-Rob: Oh right
BingoBoingo: X-Rob: A pool that can take hashpower more stably than that coinminer thing
X-Rob: Yeah. I'll set up a proper pool this weekend
BingoBoingo: Cool
BingoBoingo: Ideally similar uber transparent p2pool thing with a basic stats web page, just a lot like Coinminer but not shitty.
BingoBoingo: !up zitos
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 25 @ 0.266586 = 6.6647 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 50 @ 0.0217227 = 1.0861 BTC [-]
chetty: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2730791/Are-STUPID-Britons-people-IQ-decline.html
assbot: Are we becoming more STUPID? IQ scores are decreasing | Mail Online
mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/635/1btc-10-000-usd/#b138
assbot: BitBet - 1BTC >= $10,000 USD :: 75 B (9%) on Yes, 732.28 B (91%) on No | closing in 2 months 4 weeks | weight: 25`053 (100`000 to 1)
mircea_popescu: one of the larger bets.
mircea_popescu: chetty well, they not we.
chetty: well they aren't talking about old folks, the next generations
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 50 @ 0.0217227 = 1.0861 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: !up nonick
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 507.25, Best ask: 507.61, Bid-ask spread: 0.36000, Last trade: 507.25, 24 hour volume: 13490.89957086, 24 hour low: 502.25, 24 hour high: 530.0, 24 hour vwap: 517.350073897
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48450 @ 0.0006332 = 30.6785 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21700 @ 0.00062905 = 13.6504 BTC [-]
RagnarDanneskjol: http://ftalphaville.ft.com/2014/08/22/1927472/plus500-as-a-model-citizen/
mircea_popescu: !up jaycutler6969
chetty: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/swedish-doctors-cannot-explain-rise-in-hypospadias-penis-birth-defect-9684241.html
assbot: Swedish doctors cannot explain rise in hypospadias penis birth defect - Science - News - The Independent
pankkake: https://coinbase.com/legal/prohibited
assbot: Prohibited Businesses
RagnarDanneskjol: awesome
RagnarDanneskjol: #13 seems fairly broad, could be anyone
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22237 @ 0.00062821 = 13.9695 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1246 @ 0.00062905 = 0.7838 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: pankkake: i've been using Coinbase to gamble on bitbet for a year now
thestringpuller: not directly but the coins that go into bitbet from me were acquired via coinbase ;)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18500 @ 0.00063396 = 11.7283 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: http://sci.ph/#/contact ~_~ all start up pages are looking the same
assbot: Satoshi Citadel Industries
assbot: usagi +v failed; L1: 0, L2: -5
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2424 @ 0.00136358 = 3.3053 BTC [-] {7}
chetty: !up usagi
thestringpuller: ;;gettrust assbot usagi
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask usagi!~tsukino22@unaffiliated/tsukino. Trust relationship from user assbot to user usagi: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -5 via 7 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=usagi | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=usagi | Rated since: Mon Jun 18 12:33:55 2012
thestringpuller: ;;ident
gribble: Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is identified as user 'thestringpuller', with GPG key id 0FF2943DA179E169, key fingerprint 6ACE36E786F39A4ADC4506DE0FF2943DA179E169, and bitcoin address None
usagi: thx
usagi: Reversion to the mean... re: married women and rights, it's a deep and complex social issue
usagi: The taxation unit of days gone by was the family. When society finally collapses we will revert to that sort of structure and married women will lose all rights includign the right to vote
chetty: <usagi> Reversion to the mean... re: married women and rights, it's a deep and complex social issue/nah its easy, get rid of marriage, get the state out of it
usagi: They won't necessarily be worse off you know. I mean married women. Single women will probably still be able to pay taxes and vote
chetty: <usagi> They won't necessarily be worse off you know. I mean married women. Single women will probably still be able to pay taxes and vote// are those supposed to be 'rights'?
usagi: chetty; Womens rights as we know them today destroyed american society
chetty: usagi, no, this whole notion of rights, its not specific to women
pankkake: there's an interesting pattern though. Germany allows women to vote, Hitler gets elected
usagi: By creating competition in the workforce between men and women, the middle class family unit (what you might think of as the backbone of the american workforce) was deemed uneconomical. Now you have to have two working parents to survive
usagi: it really damaged the family unit and the moral fiber of america
usagi: Career women don't raise kids, so you see a much lower birthrate.
usagi: Look what happened in Japan.
pankkake: but the cause isn't women's rights, the cause is taxes
usagi: That's also why you are seeing lower wages. People don't NEED as much money to live anymore, since there are many more single people
usagi: And then you have the issue of maternity leave
usagi: Women who stop working because they're having children don't usually go back to work
usagi: another massive waste of time and resources
usagi: Where I work every year someone quits because they're having a child, and they never come back
chetty: before the 60s a woman couldnt even have her own credit, married or not
xmj: fun fact
usagi: Meh that's bs.. there's a lot of bs floating around about womens rightgs
xmj: the last canton in switzerland was forced to introduce unversal suffrage/female voting rights in 1990.
xmj: ^ Appenzell
xmj: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_suffrage_in_Switzerland
assbot: Women's suffrage in Switzerland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
usagi: A bank would normally refuse a woman a credit card for example, because it was so unlikely for her to be able to pay it back
chetty: usagi, not bs, I lived it
usagi: If she could prove income she certainly would not need her working husband to cosign
pankkake: http://youtu.be/-uPcthZL2RE
assbot: Ending Women's Suffrage - YouTube
chetty: yes she did, and if not husband then father
xmj: pankkake: please let's go beyond women's suffrage and end democracy.
usagi: So when Fanny Hopkins was the bank manager of London & County Bank
usagi: in 1859.. for like 40 years
usagi: women couldn't get credit?
usagi: Dunno, I'm sure there was prejudice, but as they say, capital has a will of it's own, banks wouldn't refuse someone who had stable income
xmj: well
chetty: maybe UK was different, was certainly true in US
chetty: if husband passed early wife and children left behind could collect SS, if wife died early it was gone
chetty: there were a lot of inequities, but I still hate femnazi as practiced today
usagi: Credit card companies are private corporations. Why would they refuse to issue an unmarried woman a credit card?
usagi: If I can sell eggs to a woman, take her money to cut her hair, take her bank deposit, why wouldn't I want to loan her money?
chetty: maybe that was before they got so greedy
usagi: I've been taking a look at a few internet lists of things women couldn't do in year x, y or z.. there is a lot of bs
usagi: One list says women couldn't study at institutions like harvard and yale until the 70s
usagi: But yale had been admitting women students as early as 1892 even into graduate programs
chetty: rewriting history is a popular occupation these days
chetty: muddy the waters nicely
usagi: In 1783 they had a female president.
usagi: That's a little too convenient, comaining that history has been rewritten
usagi: claiming*
usagi: Although I am sure it has happened before
chetty: no, I mean the list you are reading is the thing rewriten
chetty: much like blacks get left out of the american revolution ...
usagi: The other factor is that humans have a very long written history.
chetty: this history of all this stuff is still there, it just gets left out of the 'common' versions
usagi: Perhaps those in charge of the issuance of credit simply knew ahead of time what would happen once they started giving married women credit cards?
chetty: I repeat, it was not just married, it was female, period
usagi: There's too much evidence that wasn't the case
usagi: I have a pretty good feeling that the general case of women being denied is because they would present a credit risk
chetty: well all your evidence didnt let my mother buy a house, her fathers signature did
usagi: When asked how they planned to repay their loan, what do you think they would have said?
usagi: Not havign a job or an education or a husband?
usagi: Who in their right minds would have issued them credit?
chetty: my mother was a judge
usagi: Case in point :)
usagi: Women had it pretty good back then. IMO of course.
usagi: She probably made more than most working men
RagnarDanneskjol: !up RagnarsBitch
usagi: A lot of this is really beside the point. We're ignoring the fact that women could have incorporated a company with a willing lawyer
usagi: Even with a female lawyer
usagi: And they could have done anything they wanted in the name of their corporation.
usagi: But this would require some amount of money (which it is obvious the women being denied credit -- for example -- did not have)
chetty: yup thats why I say the whole rights thing is stupid, and femnazi even more so
usagi: The fact that this is never mentioned nor explored is more a testament to the reason why women generally didn't have any rights in the first place than anything else
usagi: I sort of agree, but I am not sure I would want to go back to society the way it was 100 years ago either
usagi: Women having the right to go on the pill and become self employed, ahem, is a great thing. Really.
usagi: I say let em do whatever they want
chetty: no let involved ...
pankkake: http://www.coindesk.com/okcoin-reveals-btc-reserves-104-chinas-exchanges-undergo-audits/
assbot: OKCoin Reveals 104% BTC Reserves as China's Exchanges Undergo Audits
chetty: !up usagi
usagi: thanks but the kids are home, bbl
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24282 @ 0.00063514 = 15.4225 BTC [+]
usagi: "Proof-of-reserves for digital currency exchanges has been a sensitive issue in the community since the collapse of Mt Gox in February."
xmj: lol
xmj: IOW everyone does fractional reserve.
usagi: Apparently not OKCoin
usagi: A popular exchange makes so much money I have no idea why they would go fractoinal reserve, it just adds risk
usagi: Its the one thing I never really understood about mtgox.. they were making hundreds of million a year
usagi: And they still managed to screw it up.. unbelievable
usagi: You would think they could just pay it out of profits, at least that
mike_c: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-08-2014#804749 ☝︎
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
mike_c: +1, i was surprised to see the addition.
mike_c: and as an aside, it is embarrassing for this channel that tweets are scraped and repeated from links but not references to the log!
mike_c: i guess the way to do it would be to use query parameters instead of hash tags..
mike_c: oh, or assbot could just recognize the link to log and use the hashtag.
usagi: Only a matter of time before someone applied the lessons of HFT to bitcoin.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28522 @ 0.00063477 = 18.1049 BTC [-] {2}
kakobrekla: https://w2.eff.org/Net_culture/Folklore/Humor/mouse_balls_ibm.memo
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 397 @ 0.00135104 = 0.5364 BTC [-] {6}
thestringpuller: mike_c: what addition?
thestringpuller: oh for van-ads
thestringpuller: ;;ident
gribble: Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is identified as user 'thestringpuller', with GPG key id 0FF2943DA179E169, key fingerprint 6ACE36E786F39A4ADC4506DE0FF2943DA179E169, and bitcoin address None
thestringpuller: how are tweets not referenced in the log?
thestringpuller: assbot announces them when linked...
thestringpuller: am I missing something?
pankkake: https://w2.eff.org/Net_culture/Folklore/Humor/hacker_barbie.announce
mike_c: thestringpuller: yeah, i was complaining that the actual tweet is mentioned in channel, but the actual log line is not.
mike_c: complaining about free tools is classy.
kakobrekla: oh you are complaining about that?
mike_c: i was, yes.
kakobrekla: ben_vulpes did that already.
kakobrekla: didnt work.
mike_c: yes, i remember. hm. i am now envisioning a page that lists desired features with a tip jar and people can pay for shit they want done.
mike_c: probably wouldn't work. ☟︎
kakobrekla: imma fix it nao
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00063515 = 8.0664 BTC [+]
pankkake: http://yro.slashdot.org/story/14/08/22/1311210/nsa-agents-leak-tor-bugs-to-developers
assbot: NSA Agents Leak Tor Bugs To Developers - Slashdot
xmj: anyone know which IRC network Ramez Naan idles on?
xmj: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramez_Naam
assbot: Ramez Naam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00063393 = 6.0223 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-08-2014#804960 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 22-08-2014 14:32:21; mike_c: probably wouldn't work.
mike_c: nice!
thestringpuller: http://thezoepost.wordpress.com/ << I don't even know how to interpet this.
assbot: thezoepost
[]bot: Bet placed: 1.99981424 BTC for Yes on "BTC Difficulty over 31Bn before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1028/ Odds: 79(Y):21(N) by coin, 79(Y):21(N) by weight. Total bet: 29.48701626 BTC. Current weight: 94,953.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12695 @ 0.00063732 = 8.0908 BTC [+] {2}
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski gotta play the game to win.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: kakobrekla, mike_c: "complaining" << look who's rewriting history nao
penguirker: New blog post: http://devilsadvocate.biz/btcusd-mega-bear-outlook/
penguirker: New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/spondoolies-sp31/
punkman: thestringpuller: wait, people are lining up to fuck this thing? http://www.massdigi.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/DSC_0585-001.jpg
mike_c: ThickAsThieves: 266? crazy talk.
mike_c: you still short?
kakobrekla: not still, again!
jurov: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 518.65, Best ask: 519.99, Bid-ask spread: 1.34000, Last trade: 520.0, 24 hour volume: 15220.06221684, 24 hour low: 500.01, 24 hour high: 530.0, 24 hour vwap: 515.638702827
kakobrekla: !up ThickAsThieves
ThickAsThieves: kako has it, short again
mike_c: idk, i don't like those tea leaves. but if you believe it you should get some odds. http://bitbet.us/bet/1029/
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $400 before October :: 1.12 B (24%) on Yes, 3.59 B (76%) on No | closing in 1 month 2 days | weight: 95`935 (100`000 to 1)
mike_c: you drop a pile of btc on that and you will get action.
ThickAsThieves: i'm watching it all very closely
ThickAsThieves: maybe i will
mike_c: this could be your revenge for the dec. diff bet :)
mike_c: clean out bitbettors!
ThickAsThieves: or me not learning my lesson
mike_c: it's not gambling it's investing.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20200 @ 0.00063726 = 12.8727 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: it's both
ThickAsThieves: it's neither
ThickAsThieves: mpoe is already trading like it's the 266 days
mike_c: !t m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00062821 / 0.00063759 / 0.00064542 (782213 shares, 498.74 BTC), 7D: 0.00062821 / 0.0006955 / 0.0007468 (5196015 shares, 3,613.87 BTC), 30D: 0.00062821 / 0.0007827 / 0.00094217 (17785587 shares, 13,920.91 BTC)
mike_c: even lower. last time mpoe was this low btc was 80
ThickAsThieves: it was due for correction
ThickAsThieves: i like swol's chart, lol
mike_c: market is uncertain about swol. which seems appropriate to me.
ThickAsThieves: i'm long on it :)
Duffer1: swol?
mike_c: http://btc.waroflife.com
assbot: War of Life - Cellular automata to the death!
Duffer1: oh war of life
mike_c: glad i got my plug in before you realized :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.58080095 BTC to 14`991 shares, 10545 satoshi per share
thestringpuller: LOL @ punkman wow just wow just wow
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 10.90188624 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 948 satoshi per share
ThickAsThieves: https://twitter.com/shit_rbtc_says
assbot: Shit /r/Bitcoin says (shit_rbtc_says) auf Twitter
BingoBoingo: Wait, so http://devilsadvocate.biz/btcusd-mega-bear-outlook/ is actually going to be a catalyst for $700+ ?
assbot: BTCUSD: Mega Bear Outlook
ThickAsThieves: BingoBoingo I haven't really worked on charting that high much, it's just one possibility
ThickAsThieves: of which there is infinite supply of course
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: Well, I was referring to your last prediction, but... I've blogged wrond bitbet predictions...
ThickAsThieves: yeah, i do think it would easily go to 700 after 300
ThickAsThieves: the market is mostly led by china and margin traders
ThickAsThieves: which means price can snap hard
ThickAsThieves: and be manipulated
jurov: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 316982 | Current Difficulty: 2.38446700388033E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 318527 | Next Difficulty In: 1545 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 8 hours, 43 minutes, and 38 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 26963406238.2 | Estimated Percent Change: 13.07939
ThickAsThieves: amazing
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
jurov: ;;calc 13462580114525*2.9/100/1e8
gribble: Error: unexpected EOF while parsing (<string>, line 1)
jurov: ;;calc 13462580114525*2.9/100e8
gribble: Error: unexpected EOF while parsing (<string>, line 1)
jurov: ;;calc 13462580114525*2.9
gribble: 3.90414823321e+13
jurov: ;;calc 3.90414823321e+13/100e8
gribble: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
jurov: ;;calc 3.90414823321e13/100e8
gribble: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
jurov: ;;calc 2.38446700388033E10/13462580114525
gribble: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
thestringpuller: poor jurov
thestringpuller: you gotta multiply dem numbers out
jurov: mircea wrote it was 13`462`580`114`525.3 at JUN settlement
jurov: which is more than 2.38446700388033E10
jurov: apparently mircea moved the decimal dot
thestringpuller: interesting
jurov: http://trilema.com/2014/xidiffjun-has-settled-2/
assbot: X.IDIFF.JUN has settled. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
thestringpuller: accounting error?
jurov: anyway, 2.38446700388033E10/13462580114.525 - difference between JUN and now is 1.77
jurov: so x.idiff.sep should be covered
jurov: thestringpuller: how am i supposed to multiply what?
thestringpuller: gotcaha
thestringpuller: sorry
thestringpuller: you can't use sceintific notation with gribble
thestringpuller: you have to do 3.9090532 * 10 ^ 4;
thestringpuller: ;;calc 3.14 * 10 ^ 5
gribble: Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.
thestringpuller: ;;calc 3.14 * 10^5
gribble: Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.
thestringpuller: ;;calc 3.14 * 10**5
gribble: 314000
thestringpuller: year you go
thestringpuller: sorruy
jurov: what's this, php?
asciilifeform: ;;rate foofingers 1 human, meatspace colleague.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user foofingers has been recorded.
thestringpuller: jurov: MPEx uses plenty of php...
jurov: lol that's excuse now?
thestringpuller: no!
thestringpuller: i just saying!
thestringpuller: oh jurov you are cool
jurov: iirc there was a bug in homebrew float parser in php
jurov: that caused ddos
thestringpuller: oh wow
jurov: so i got an idea like gribble is patched against it
The20YearIRCloud: for mpex?
jurov: no, in std phph 5
foofingers: Hi people. My is Daniel Marcus. I work together with asciilifeform. And I'm here to do some business with bitcoins. Thank you for having me!
jurov: Hi foofingers. What business?
foofingers: lets say... my ass and vaseline for bitcoins
foofingers: lol
jurov: what, mircea put another buttcoinlike challenge?
thestringpuller: !s nubbins` format
assbot: 24 results for 'nubbins` format' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=nubbins%60+format
thestringpuller: !s nubbins` psd
assbot: 2 results for 'nubbins` psd' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=nubbins%60+psd
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13850 @ 0.00063752 = 8.8297 BTC [+]
punkman: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=751743.0
assbot: Bitstamp: No withdrawals for Bitcoin related companies
punkman: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=750269.0
assbot: depositing to bitstamp would be faster with a donkey
thestringpuller: Bitstamp is goxxing itself?
thestringpuller: Woe is me.
BingoBoingo: ;;google they really are buttcoins nao
gribble: They really are Buttcoins nao pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2013/they-really-are-buttcoins-nao/>; what is in the mind of r/buttcoin? - Bitcoin Forum: <https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=727776.0>; PREV: 03-08-2014 - #bitcoin-assets log: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2014>
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell foofingers, like http://trilema.com/2013/they-really-are-buttcoins-nao/
assbot: They really are Buttcoins nao pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pankkake: I fear you left a note to someone named "foofingers,"
BingoBoingo: Why did I spell it wrong?
pankkake: the ,
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell foofingers like http://trilema.com/2013/they-really-are-buttcoins-nao/
assbot: They really are Buttcoins nao pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] [PAID] 1.87696688 BTC to 29`438 shares, 6376 satoshi per share
BingoBoingo: !up gernika
gernika: Thanks BingoBoingo. I'm just here to watch and learn for now :)
BingoBoingo: k
chetty: we seem to be getting a lot of watchers lately :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24689 @ 0.00063776 = 15.7457 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: Yeah we do. WOnder what's up?
mike_c: ~175 non-voiced. now i'm self conscious.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24300 @ 0.00063851 = 15.5158 BTC [+] {3}
fluffypony: lol
gernika: #bitcoin-assets is an oasis in a desert of bitcoin idiocy.
punkman: gernika, not just bitcoin
gernika: true
mike_c: also useful if you need to build a satellite that will stay in orbit.
punkman: mike_c: heh
penguirker: New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/hashmine-bitcoin-mining-pool/
chetty: <gernika> #bitcoin-assets is an oasis in a desert of bitcoin idiocy.// oasis in a world of insanity
punkman: world of malpidity
ben_vulpes: what's on the -assets reading list right now?
ben_vulpes: i'm working through the berkshire hathaway letters and "fooled by randomness"
ben_vulpes: i want something on the fall of rome written ~1800 or earlier
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: fooled by randomness, being the first, was also the least developed of taleb's trilogy
chetty: lol, I was just thinking when you asked about reading that it was time for Rome
pete_dushenski: and for the rome bit, there's no other than edward gibbons' decline and fall of the roman empire
pete_dushenski: http://www.amazon.com/Decline-Roman-Empire-Everymans-Library/dp/0307700763/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1408736897&sr=8-1&keywords=everyman+decline+and+fall << i just picked this up a few weeks ago
assbot: Amazon.com: The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, vol. 1-6 (Everyman's Library) (9780307700766): Edward Gibbon: Books
chetty: although, something on the ottoman empire might be wise atm
pete_dushenski: a! gibbon, not gibbons
ben_vulpes: ooh ooh pete_dushenski what was the book you recently mentioned on zhghghzgzhggis kahn?
pete_dushenski: different one altgother
pete_dushenski: http://www.amazon.com/Genghis-Khan-Making-Modern-World/dp/0609809644/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1408737025&sr=8-1&keywords=genghis+khan+modern+world << this was the chingis one
assbot: Amazon.com: Genghis Khan and the Making of the Modern World (9780609809648): Jack Weatherford: Books
pete_dushenski: newer style, still interesting
pete_dushenski: as was dan carlin's hardcore history series on the khans
pete_dushenski: http://www.dancarlin.com/disp.php/hharchive/kw:Khan/
assbot: Dan Carlin - Podcasts, Merchandise, Blog, and Community Website
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31150 @ 0.00063703 = 19.8435 BTC [-] {3}
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: do you have any rec's on the ottoman empire?
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: can't say i do...
pete_dushenski: though i'm in the midst of herotodus' the histories and i'd highly recommend it :)
ben_vulpes: hm cromer has a book called "political and literary essays"
ben_vulpes: i enjoyed his stories of running egypt, so i think i'll pull that into the queue.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: ottoman empire << 'the sultans' (n. barber)
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: one of the most riotously fun works by any modern historian on any subject.
ben_vulpes: oh shit asciilifeform your name alone reminds of of "the art of not being governed"
ben_vulpes: and thank you!
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: if you liked TAOFBG, read the author's (j. c. scott) other works. they all fit the theme.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: *TAOFNBG, lol
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: *TAONBG.
ben_vulpes: well, i've yet to read the thing, but thanks for the add'l recs.
ben_vulpes: amusingly, hardcover copies of the sultans are avail for $0.01, but not digitized.
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: you don't want digitized anyways ;)
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: and why not?
pete_dushenski: 1. you won't remember it as well
pete_dushenski: 2. harder on your eyes
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ROCK] 3000 @ 0.000609 = 1.827 BTC [-] {3}
pete_dushenski: the only "digital" books i read are audiobooks
ben_vulpes: i use an e-reader for actual "reading".
ben_vulpes: i refuse to even use the backlit models.
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: which herodotus translation are you reading?
pete_dushenski: george rawlinson
pete_dushenski: as well as the "blackstone audiobook anonymously translated" edition
ben_vulpes: > rawlinson
ben_vulpes: > 1859
ben_vulpes: > perfect
pete_dushenski: mhm
ben_vulpes: lovely, pete_dushenski, many thanks.
ThickAsThieves: i've taken to audio "reading" lately too
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 57 @ 0.00933663 = 0.5322 BTC [-] {13}
ThickAsThieves: that way i can get off my ass and walk around the neighborhood
pete_dushenski: ThickAsThieves: exactly!
ben_vulpes: what, you guys can't read and walk at the same time?
ThickAsThieves: it amazes me how some of the voice actors really make you believe they wrote it
pete_dushenski: go for a bike ride, run, walk, anything other than restlessly sit on two buttcheeks
ThickAsThieves: i'm listening to Snow Crash currently, after getting burnt out on Taleb telling everything what it's problem is
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: i guess there's treadmills
ben_vulpes: the way i bike precludes ear anythings.
ThickAsThieves: its*
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: o you bike too hard to learn?
ben_vulpes: no, i ride in traffic and need very good situational awareness.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 50 @ 0.01042979 = 0.5215 BTC [-] {4}
mike_c: v1 of a bet calculator. hopefully it's slightly less complicated than the actual game. https://btc.waroflife.com/gow/27/#bet_calculator
assbot: Game 27 - Death 3954 Life 6046 Year 480 - War of Life
pete_dushenski: until the day i get hit by a car and my jewfro helmet cracks, traffic won't stop me from wizzing by at 40kph while i get my history on
pete_dushenski: they see me, they don't want to hit me, easy as that
pete_dushenski: act like you own the road and its yours for the taking
ben_vulpes: canadian drivers are even more passive than portland drivers.
ben_vulpes: these habits were formed in ny, fwiw.
ben_vulpes: "bike as though you've a million dollar bounty on your head and a neon jersey proclaiming such", as the aforementioned stephenson wrote somewhere sometime
punkman: pete_dushenski: sounds like a death wish
pete_dushenski: punkman: my friends and family would agree
pete_dushenski: it comes down to risk tolerance and not having been (yet) bitten by fate
punkman: on the other hand, I'm pretty used to cars wizzing by at a few inches distance
pete_dushenski: !up bats_cd03
bats_cd03: just wanted to share a message to ISIS http://i.imgur.com/eFU2YKi.png
bats_cd03: i know mircea_popescu would approve, somehow
pete_dushenski: lolk
bats_cd03: ben_vulpes: hows vanads coming along?
bats_cd03: http://features.slashdot.org/story/14/08/21/0334254/interviews-andrew-bunnie-huang-answers-your-questions re: open software v hardware
assbot: Interviews: Andrew "bunnie" Huang Answers Your Questions - Slashdot
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14800 @ 0.00063937 = 9.4627 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.00063937 = 6.7134 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: bats_cd03: pretty well
BingoBoingo: %p
atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 1.65 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 646.34 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 6.49 TH/s
BingoBoingo: %p
atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 1.23 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 629.93 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 4.73 TH/s
BingoBoingo: ^OMG all this Hash
Apocalyptic: dat iSpace pool
BingoBoingo: %p
atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.69 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 705.52 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 4.86 TH/s
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 518.93, vol: 16696.69408067 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 512.532, vol: 4955.29276 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 516.85, vol: 12643.95610087 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 525.18, vol: 14.19643528 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 515.30379, vol: 32783.35370000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 529.95385, vol: 9.62058564 | Volume-weighted last average: 516.296919007
pete_dushenski: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 317014 | Current Difficulty: 2.38446700388033E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 318527 | Next Difficulty In: 1513 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 9 hours, 32 minutes, and 25 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 26939001289.2 | Estimated Percent Change: 12.97704
pete_dushenski: it'll be another 20% change yet.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27650 @ 0.00063948 = 17.6816 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: insane
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 516.6, Best ask: 518.94, Bid-ask spread: 2.34000, Last trade: 518.98, 24 hour volume: 16674.48447915, 24 hour low: 500.01, 24 hour high: 528.0, 24 hour vwap: 515.219441522
BingoBoingo: http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/canadian-television-journalist-arrested-under-order-of-capt-johnson/article_55b5825d-85d0-5265-bc62-5576cfcf1899.html << Ferguson may not be as calm as they the news would have us inclined to believe this week
assbot: Canadian television journalist arrested under order of Capt. Johnson : News
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: he shoulda been more polite ;/
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Who knows
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22150 @ 0.00063863 = 14.1457 BTC [-]
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell ben_vulpes have you seen john wayne as zjchinghis? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHt0Pb8rkXU
assbot: The Conqueror original theatrical trailer - YouTube
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: ;;calc 15975 / 11790
gribble: 1.35496183206
BingoBoingo: ^average BitBet Bet
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 412 @ 0.00138899 = 0.5723 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 919 @ 0.00063863 = 0.5869 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/apm-marketplace-radio/id447476522?mt=8 << up and to the right!
assbot: APM: Marketplace Radio on the App Store on iTunes
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: One of yours?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4700 @ 0.00063738 = 2.9957 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: no sir.
kakobrekla: anyone seen anything liek this before http://shrani.si/f/47/UL/3m3knoYx/imag1961.jpg
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2011 @ 0.00063738 = 1.2818 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: yes kako, it's a cunt.
mircea_popescu: that's what the girls have between their legs.
assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3P3V1WT.txt )
mircea_popescu: !b 3 ✂︎
mircea_popescu: !up m4rCsi
kakobrekla: i thought its a weirdly broken printer fucker
BingoBoingo: %t
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 170 Ask: 221 Last Price: 221 24h-Vol: 2k High: 221 Low: 170 VWAP: 170