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mircea_popescu: guy;d have benefited immensely from a non absent father.
mircea_popescu: in point of fact, unionization of "founders" in sv is unavoidable.
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mircea_popescu: "The 2010 Austin terrorist attack" dude for crying out loud.
mthreat: what's the 2010 Austin terrorist attack?
mircea_popescu: mthreat some guy got pissed off at irs, flew his radio airplane into a pole across the street.
mthreat: I used to work in teh building next to the one he hit.
mthreat: He hit the building with the IRS investigators
mircea_popescu: radio erevan answers! user : is it true that ivan ivanovich was given a bike ?
mircea_popescu: re : yes, it is true, except it wasn't ivan ivanovich but vladimir vladimirovich, it wasn't a bike but a car and it wasn't given but taken away
mircea_popescu: i was not seriously proposing that was what happened. i was merely illustrating the disproportion between what occurred and terrorism.
mircea_popescu: "sammy j beats his wife regularly. johnny told his wife if she doesn't stop dressing like an out of work whore he'll beat her too. sammy is on trial for terrorism nao"
mircea_popescu: well i don't know how we know, and i don't really know how i know. but i do know.
mircea_popescu: too narcissistic perhaps. it just fits with experience.
mircea_popescu: i never read that guy, but i will take the challenge. show how.
mircea_popescu: i guess the j stack replica in my head flew a plane into part of my memory
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mircea_popescu: people in a corner by ill fortune get depressed. people in a corner by misdeeds reprogram. people in a corner by having pissed off wrong people turn sluts.
mircea_popescu: the only people that start throwing things are the people in a corner through a system they do not wish to continue in any circumstances.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, the process through which girls become wives and us citizens usg informants.
mircea_popescu: and mike ocd is also part of something. whereas the austin guy clearly is not.
mircea_popescu: do you see the difference between some party declaring war (whether this is entirely in their own mind and an exercise in pure ridicule) and someone declaring jihad ?
nubbins`: ok, so "what is bitcoin" poster design is complete
nubbins`: just printing a proof now on the inkjet, likely start pre-press in the next couple days
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decimation: except they have constantly boost the orbit
mircea_popescu: if it had to carry all its fuel it'd have collapsed years ago.
decimation: indeed. the mind reels at the cost/benefit ratio
mircea_popescu: that means your 2k km orbit has just been degraded significantly, and you're now dragging 10x or 100x what you were a minute ago.
decimation: I was reading antifragile earlier today.
decimation: MIR was up for a long time; also with constant attention
decimation: spending the $billions on a robot-mining-factory would have had much better roi than idiots floating in space
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decimation: asciilifeform: the trouble is that you would have to increase surface area, and therefore drag, to operate such a collector
decimation: friction opposes the extra thrust-mass
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decimation: presumably this would make the surface 'rough', and therefore increase friction. but now we are in the realm of highly non-linear fluid dynamics
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mircea_popescu: * asciilifeform wonders if this could even be carried out mechanically, with something like a wirbelrohr. << you'd need a good ion engine, actually.
mircea_popescu: at something like 100pa, all you need is to accelerate one ion in 100 to 100 times the average brownian speed.
mircea_popescu: this is the major application for ion engines, not space travel : mangement of the upper atmosphere. nobody wants to say this, for some reason.
mircea_popescu: and speaking of the upper atmosphere : i have had to extreme pleasure to encounter again the sun of my youth, down here. for the first fifteen or so years of my existence on earth, the sun was this warm, pleasant, narrow source.
mircea_popescu: then it became an impossible near uv, far uv, ir etc horror, to the degree i couldn't even look at the daytime sky.
mircea_popescu: but now... it's all better. so i guess in a few more decades only northeners will be fit to go on space missions
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well in teh press. generally "ion engine" => intergallactic travel.
decimation: la wik recommends this book: "The Star Flight Handbook" for the math on the bussard design
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well iirc that thing was predicated on proton-proton fusion
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decimation: the most realistic "intergalactic travel" design that I'm aware of is the one that shits nukes every few minutes
mircea_popescu: Instead I got busy working 100-hour workweeks. Then came the L.A. depression of the early 1990s. Our leaders decided that they didn’t need the all of those extra Air Force bases they had in Southern California, so they were closed; just like that. The result was economic devastation in the region that rivaled the widely publicized Texas S&L fiasco. However, because the government caused it, no one gave a shit about a
mircea_popescu: ll of the young families who lost their homes or street after street of boarded up houses abandoned to the wealthy loan companies who received government funds to “shore up” their windfall. Again, I lost my retirement.
mircea_popescu: but no, because nobel-prize-whatshisface said that government spending is beneficial for the economy.
mircea_popescu: what do you mean making some bases which you then close is on the whole a net negative, putting the place worse off than it would have been had you minded your own business!
decimation: well, like Mr. church pointed out earlier, most folk who took it hard were the lowly engineers and techs who were just trying to get by
mircea_popescu: generally the masses in the democracy tend to get it nice and hard. which seems fair, if only in a very cold, distant, macro sense.
decimation: I suspect they charge golden toilet prices though
decimation: wonder how it would work on the magnetic pole
mircea_popescu: "But I also know that by not adding my body to the count, I insure nothing will change. "
mircea_popescu: people really need to figure out this affect/effect ensure/insure business.
mircea_popescu: it really bothers me when i see people who're supposedly detail oriented, engineers and whatnot.
mircea_popescu: i mean, i don't think i yet published an article without a typo or two in it, sure. but there's a difference.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> solar flare ? atmosphere expands even 500kms. << see, this is why i read the logs obsessively.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes atmosphere is mostly constrained by gravity, which makes the heat a major factor. if you heat it it expands.
mircea_popescu: upper atmosphere is constrained magnetically. disturb the field, it expan\ds/shrinks
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform quite. and some people shouldn't be innocent of books, and MORE IMPORTANTLY of the written process of thinking.
decimation: the worst effect of a solar flare is the massive plasma cloud that the sun farts when it happens. if it hits the earth just right, it sets up massive moving magnetic fields which generate large currents in long conductors
decimation: asciilifeform: as mircea_popescu said the other night, the sea will be our loving mother long before space embraces humanity
The20YearIRCloud: takes a pretty good hit from a flare to cause significant problems
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes but yes, as far as numerically approached, a major flare can do 500km.
The20YearIRCloud: with all of the flares below X class ones, it just reduces signal range/strength with the benefit being an easier job skipping radio signals
decimation: The20YearIRCloud: that's not quite accurate
ben_vulpes: so a big one will not just wipe out lots of networks, but also totally fuck a lot of orbital planning.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes older satellites are better planned ironically. modern military shit however, especially us stuff is in real danger
decimation: the lower ionospheric d-layer becomes ionized which absorbs most lower-frequency HF signals. most line-of-sight vhf/uhf is unaffected
ben_vulpes: not to me - what do you mean by "dynamo"?
decimation: in the long run, the higher f-layers become ionized too, enabling longer-distance reliable communication on HF
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: older engineers really thought through a lot a lot of potential orbital problems - doesn't really surprise me.
The20YearIRCloud: And from my understanding it also effected higher band stuff too
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes no, actually, they just had much less data and better training, so they put slack in.
The20YearIRCloud: And i also thought that some satellites still utilized lower band stuff for altitude controls
mircea_popescu: current guys are very tightly oppressed by budgets and there's this overwhelming delusion that "we know shit" making a lot of garbage numbers be accepted .
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i meant the same thing. "i have no idea! better make some thick factors of safety in there."
mircea_popescu: inasmuch as "i dunno, make it twelve inches thick" is thinking
mircea_popescu: ironically, in engineering it usually is the best of thinkings.
ben_vulpes: this is closely related to a conversation i had today in which someone tried to argue without proof that a toyota tundra with its 10klb rating could *never NEVER* pull the US orbiter
decimation: the d-layer is up around 60 km above the surface, if the x-rays ionized the air around your head you would have bigger problems
ben_vulpes: i point out a) those ratings are for highway operation, b) those ratings are so that joe sixpack can haul his 12klb boat up a 30deg ramp c) that generally the operating envelope is entirely different
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ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: surprisingly, i understand the power of leverage and reduced friction in tandem.
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decimation: re: engineering thinking < taleb makes this point, if you want to learn about reality, ask someone who has tried to get things done, not someone who is a bureaucrat
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decimation: I suspect that the variance of the "mormon benefit" is lower, given that it hasn't had 1500 years to fracture
mircea_popescu: decimation no, but it would manage to reduce mormonism to something below what its critics today perceive of it.
decimation: I view it as proof of the costs of antinomianism
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nubbins`: i just realized i'd been listening to it for 3.5 hours
decimation: asciilifeform: you have spoken about the benefits of having a 'tribe' in the past
ben_vulpes: 'burner' isn't a bad tribe. needs filtering, but all do anyways.
decimation: asciilifeform: agreed, such things must grow 'organically'
ben_vulpes: someone affiliated with those who attend burning man regularly.
ben_vulpes: the most interesting and network-worthy tend to eschew the actual burn in favor of the smaller regional events and their hometown community.
ben_vulpes: if you're expected to provide succor in time of need and can lean on the tribe in turn in your own time of need?
ben_vulpes: ""Tribe" is a contested term due to its roots in colonialism."
decimation: in other words: whatever some white man thought is racsis, he doesn't get a say
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> someone affiliated with those who attend burning man regularly. << sluts make a much better tribe imo.
ben_vulpes: "sex positive" << one of the reasons i spent so much time with 'em
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mircea_popescu recalls lab where countermeasure was very large h2so4 vat.
decimation: how is that going to help? melt your face?
mircea_popescu: maybe the idea was that if you're close enough you're burning anyway.
decimation: the nazis used hypergolics to 'operationalize' their rocket plane:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C-Stoff " there were numerous catastrophic explosions of the Messerschmitt Me 163 aircraft that employed this fuel system" not shit
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decimation: I guess this is why burt rutan et.al. are so interested in nitrous oxide/kerosene
kakobrekla: a yea messerschmitt, i have flown that.
decimation: yeah you would face a pretty good chance of death
decimation: I thought the best part of that tom cruise movie about the 20 juli plot was the fully-painted and operational FW 200 Condor
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peterl: mircea_popescu lab where countermeasure was very large h2so4 vat. // decimation: how is that going to help? melt your face? << The acid will absorb the borohydride and deactivate it, makes boric acid
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peterl: today I realized that in my lab I have ingredients to synthesize methamphetamine ...
decimation: peterl: using methylamine, breaking-bad style?
peterl: and this is why the drug war will never stop, because you can make the stuff from stupidly common compounds
peterl: no, a less traditional synthesis, from benzyl bromide, methylamine and acetaldehyde
☟︎ peterl: oh, wait, you did say methylamine, heh
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decimation: peterl: not only mdma, but also lots of other synthetic drugs that haven't even been identified yet
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peterl: gave me a great idea of a synthetic project, to optimize the synthesis, but I don't think my boss would like the target
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decimation: "DEA acknowledges that not all of the designer drugs seized in the effort are listed on Schedule I. But the agency says prosecutors will rely on a federal law that allows these nonlisted compounds to be treated like a controlled substance if they are proven in court to be chemically or pharmacologically similar to a Schedule I drug." LoL as if a jury knows
nubbins`: but officer, i was harvesting this ergot for my migraines
decimation: in engineering school we had a patent lawyer speak about his profession. He said he had to explain to a jury the concept of imaginary numbers, using colored pieces of posterboard
decimation: heh no I hadn't heard that one, why not? one patent game is to "extend" patent X with minor variation X'
peterl: I read unexpired patents all the time
decimation: ah well if you are in that situation your lawyer army will help
decimation: no one is going to sue you unless you have assets to take
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decimation: the worst thing about us patents is the impenetrable legalese in which they are written
decimation: re: intact starfish: but not every penny is worth stooping to pick up. depends on circumstances, obviously.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> which is why you believe the burning man is good :) << never said that "burning man" was good
ben_vulpes: only a) it has robust tribes orbiting and b) lovely babes
ben_vulpes: what would you call the thing that people agglomerate into in modern american culture in order to better thrive together than wilt under the radiation indidividually?
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ben_vulpes: it's like figuring out where to go to lunch: "no. you vetoed tacos. that means you figure out where we're going. now."
mircea_popescu: lol i find the best and most readily digested argument pro-slavery works out to "i say where we go eat. it takes all of thirty seconds. and if i say everyone gets lamb tikka masala, ordering takes thirty seconds too."
mircea_popescu: the mess hall being the principal argument pro-university in the classical period of universities too.
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pete_dushenski: first they go for mpoe, then trilema, then… the salmon
pete_dushenski: whoever it is has skillz the canadian armed farces can only dream of
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, the process through which girls become wives and us citizens usg informants. << and who precisely did the wives piss off? their fathers?
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: like the old u.s. army ad, 'be an army of one.' << i remember these well, wondered if they were effective..
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski inasmuch as the married female has no rights and no recourse, pissing off her husband is pissing off the wrong guy. she quickly learns not to do that.
pete_dushenski: *no* rights and *no* recourse? perhaps outside of north america.
mircea_popescu: outside of the very thin sliver of things that is north america 1980-2020ish.
mircea_popescu: and some other places and times, equally narrow to irrelevance.
pete_dushenski: and even within this temporal vortex there are married women with wisdom
mircea_popescu: i'm making no value judgement here, merely using an example to illuminate a point.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform:jailer turned the entire building on a pivot - with hand crank. << whoa
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pete_dushenski: til difference between pennsylvania prison system and auburn prison system
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: mkay. so in th forest there lived this very horny, huge schlong bear. sort of like one eye pete of the beardom. << with all the petes littering b-a these days, i don't even know if i'm the one who gets to blush at this
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pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: average impressions per day. << and here i was thinking that we were moving beyond that broken old quantification of clicks business
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pete_dushenski: ;;later tell princessnell please to note: "Online news has an even worse impact. In a 2001 study two scholars in Canada showed that comprehension declines as the number of hyperlinks in a document increases."
pete_dushenski: "So terrorism is over-rated. Chronic stress is under-rated. The collapse of Lehman Brothers is overrated. Fiscal irresponsibility is under-rated. Astronauts are over-rated. Nurses are under-rated. We are not rational enough to be exposed to the press."
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fluffypony: I really hope Fat Fish has oysters today
fluffypony: I have a haircut at 12:30 and I feel like oysters for lunch
BingoBoingo: fluffypony You ever set up a mining pool before?
RagnarDanneskjol: not exactly that easy once you get into the weeds of it, but doable
RagnarDanneskjol: what is protocol for foot in mouth statements made in here - I can't neg rate cause he's not on WoT
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BingoBoingo: RagnarDanneskjol: Well since this inquiry was about getting a cheap pool and their sales pitch was for us to buy and ship them a metric fuckton of mining equiptment... Prolly just watch them until they collapse on their own
BingoBoingo: Absolutely no information offered on pool pricing
RagnarDanneskjol: He did over the phone - again, I used him in the past, no probs, but everything that came up online looked bad
dogless: hello. I am just crusing. through. I am driving. gotto go.
BingoBoingo: RagnarDanneskjol: Well, nicehash seems to just do hash rental
BingoBoingo: Hash is cheap and easy, verifiably honest pools are harder
RagnarDanneskjol: I'm gonna try to give it another shot this weekend. Last time i wound up pulling my hair out, but issues were all related to unusually fast homebrewcoin i was using
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BingoBoingo: Well X-Rob was talking about something. May just be the sort of situation where a person just has to get their hands dirty
BingoBoingo: X-Rob: A pool that can take hashpower more stably than that coinminer thing
X-Rob: Yeah. I'll set up a proper pool this weekend
BingoBoingo: Ideally similar uber transparent p2pool thing with a basic stats web page, just a lot like Coinminer but not shitty.
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chetty: well they aren't talking about old folks, the next generations
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usagi: Reversion to the mean... re: married women and rights, it's a deep and complex social issue
usagi: The taxation unit of days gone by was the family. When society finally collapses we will revert to that sort of structure and married women will lose all rights includign the right to vote
chetty: <usagi> Reversion to the mean... re: married women and rights, it's a deep and complex social issue/nah its easy, get rid of marriage, get the state out of it
usagi: They won't necessarily be worse off you know. I mean married women. Single women will probably still be able to pay taxes and vote
chetty: <usagi> They won't necessarily be worse off you know. I mean married women. Single women will probably still be able to pay taxes and vote// are those supposed to be 'rights'?
usagi: chetty; Womens rights as we know them today destroyed american society
chetty: usagi, no, this whole notion of rights, its not specific to women
pankkake: there's an interesting pattern though. Germany allows women to vote, Hitler gets elected
usagi: By creating competition in the workforce between men and women, the middle class family unit (what you might think of as the backbone of the american workforce) was deemed uneconomical. Now you have to have two working parents to survive
usagi: it really damaged the family unit and the moral fiber of america
usagi: Career women don't raise kids, so you see a much lower birthrate.
usagi: Look what happened in Japan.
pankkake: but the cause isn't women's rights, the cause is taxes
usagi: That's also why you are seeing lower wages. People don't NEED as much money to live anymore, since there are many more single people
usagi: And then you have the issue of maternity leave
usagi: Women who stop working because they're having children don't usually go back to work
usagi: another massive waste of time and resources
usagi: Where I work every year someone quits because they're having a child, and they never come back
chetty: before the 60s a woman couldnt even have her own credit, married or not
usagi: Meh that's bs.. there's a lot of bs floating around about womens rightgs
xmj: the last canton in switzerland was forced to introduce unversal suffrage/female voting rights in 1990.
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usagi: A bank would normally refuse a woman a credit card for example, because it was so unlikely for her to be able to pay it back
chetty: usagi, not bs, I lived it
usagi: If she could prove income she certainly would not need her working husband to cosign
assbot: Ending Women's Suffrage - YouTube
chetty: yes she did, and if not husband then father
xmj: pankkake: please let's go beyond women's suffrage and end democracy.
usagi: So when Fanny Hopkins was the bank manager of London & County Bank
usagi: in 1859.. for like 40 years
usagi: women couldn't get credit?
usagi: Dunno, I'm sure there was prejudice, but as they say, capital has a will of it's own, banks wouldn't refuse someone who had stable income
chetty: maybe UK was different, was certainly true in US
chetty: if husband passed early wife and children left behind could collect SS, if wife died early it was gone
chetty: there were a lot of inequities, but I still hate femnazi as practiced today
usagi: Credit card companies are private corporations. Why would they refuse to issue an unmarried woman a credit card?
usagi: If I can sell eggs to a woman, take her money to cut her hair, take her bank deposit, why wouldn't I want to loan her money?
chetty: maybe that was before they got so greedy
usagi: I've been taking a look at a few internet lists of things women couldn't do in year x, y or z.. there is a lot of bs
usagi: One list says women couldn't study at institutions like harvard and yale until the 70s
usagi: But yale had been admitting women students as early as 1892 even into graduate programs
chetty: rewriting history is a popular occupation these days
chetty: muddy the waters nicely
usagi: In 1783 they had a female president.
usagi: That's a little too convenient, comaining that history has been rewritten
usagi: Although I am sure it has happened before
chetty: no, I mean the list you are reading is the thing rewriten
chetty: much like blacks get left out of the american revolution ...
usagi: The other factor is that humans have a very long written history.
chetty: this history of all this stuff is still there, it just gets left out of the 'common' versions
usagi: Perhaps those in charge of the issuance of credit simply knew ahead of time what would happen once they started giving married women credit cards?
chetty: I repeat, it was not just married, it was female, period
usagi: There's too much evidence that wasn't the case
usagi: I have a pretty good feeling that the general case of women being denied is because they would present a credit risk
chetty: well all your evidence didnt let my mother buy a house, her fathers signature did
usagi: When asked how they planned to repay their loan, what do you think they would have said?
usagi: Not havign a job or an education or a husband?
usagi: Who in their right minds would have issued them credit?
usagi: Women had it pretty good back then. IMO of course.
usagi: She probably made more than most working men
usagi: A lot of this is really beside the point. We're ignoring the fact that women could have incorporated a company with a willing lawyer
usagi: Even with a female lawyer
usagi: And they could have done anything they wanted in the name of their corporation.
usagi: But this would require some amount of money (which it is obvious the women being denied credit -- for example -- did not have)
chetty: yup thats why I say the whole rights thing is stupid, and femnazi even more so
usagi: The fact that this is never mentioned nor explored is more a testament to the reason why women generally didn't have any rights in the first place than anything else
usagi: I sort of agree, but I am not sure I would want to go back to society the way it was 100 years ago either
usagi: Women having the right to go on the pill and become self employed, ahem, is a great thing. Really.
usagi: I say let em do whatever they want
assbot: OKCoin Reveals 104% BTC Reserves as China's Exchanges Undergo Audits
usagi: thanks but the kids are home, bbl
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24282 @ 0.00063514 = 15.4225 BTC [+]
usagi: "Proof-of-reserves for digital currency exchanges has been a sensitive issue in the community since the collapse of Mt Gox in February."
xmj: IOW everyone does fractional reserve.
usagi: Apparently not OKCoin
usagi: A popular exchange makes so much money I have no idea why they would go fractoinal reserve, it just adds risk
usagi: Its the one thing I never really understood about mtgox.. they were making hundreds of million a year
usagi: And they still managed to screw it up.. unbelievable
usagi: You would think they could just pay it out of profits, at least that
mike_c: +1, i was surprised to see the addition.
mike_c: and as an aside, it is embarrassing for this channel that tweets are scraped and repeated from links but not references to the log!
mike_c: i guess the way to do it would be to use query parameters instead of hash tags..
mike_c: oh, or assbot could just recognize the link to log and use the hashtag.
usagi: Only a matter of time before someone applied the lessons of HFT to bitcoin.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28522 @ 0.00063477 = 18.1049 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 397 @ 0.00135104 = 0.5364 BTC [-] {6}
gribble: Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is identified as user 'thestringpuller', with GPG key id 0FF2943DA179E169, key fingerprint 6ACE36E786F39A4ADC4506DE0FF2943DA179E169, and bitcoin address None
mike_c: thestringpuller: yeah, i was complaining that the actual tweet is mentioned in channel, but the actual log line is not.
mike_c: complaining about free tools is classy.
mike_c: yes, i remember. hm. i am now envisioning a page that lists desired features with a tip jar and people can pay for shit they want done.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00063515 = 8.0664 BTC [+]
assbot: NSA Agents Leak Tor Bugs To Developers - Slashdot
xmj: anyone know which IRC network Ramez Naan idles on?
assbot: Ramez Naam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00063393 = 6.0223 BTC [-]
assbot: Logged on 22-08-2014 14:32:21; mike_c: probably wouldn't work.
[]bot: Bet placed: 1.99981424 BTC for Yes on "BTC Difficulty over 31Bn before October"
http://bitbet.us/bet/1028/ Odds: 79(Y):21(N) by coin, 79(Y):21(N) by weight. Total bet: 29.48701626 BTC. Current weight: 94,953.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12695 @ 0.00063732 = 8.0908 BTC [+] {2}
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski gotta play the game to win.
ben_vulpes: kakobrekla, mike_c: "complaining" << look who's rewriting history nao
mike_c: ThickAsThieves: 266? crazy talk.
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 518.65, Best ask: 519.99, Bid-ask spread: 1.34000, Last trade: 520.0, 24 hour volume: 15220.06221684, 24 hour low: 500.01, 24 hour high: 530.0, 24 hour vwap: 515.638702827
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $400 before October :: 1.12 B (24%) on Yes, 3.59 B (76%) on No | closing in 1 month 2 days | weight: 95`935 (100`000 to 1)
mike_c: you drop a pile of btc on that and you will get action.
mike_c: this could be your revenge for the dec. diff bet :)
mike_c: it's not gambling it's investing.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20200 @ 0.00063726 = 12.8727 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00062821 / 0.00063759 / 0.00064542 (782213 shares, 498.74 BTC), 7D: 0.00062821 / 0.0006955 / 0.0007468 (5196015 shares, 3,613.87 BTC), 30D: 0.00062821 / 0.0007827 / 0.00094217 (17785587 shares, 13,920.91 BTC)
mike_c: even lower. last time mpoe was this low btc was 80
mike_c: market is uncertain about swol. which seems appropriate to me.
assbot: War of Life - Cellular automata to the death!
mike_c: glad i got my plug in before you realized :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.58080095 BTC to 14`991 shares, 10545 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 10.90188624 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 948 satoshi per share
assbot: Shit /r/Bitcoin says (shit_rbtc_says) auf Twitter
assbot: BTCUSD: Mega Bear Outlook
ThickAsThieves: BingoBoingo I haven't really worked on charting that high much, it's just one possibility
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: Well, I was referring to your last prediction, but... I've blogged wrond bitbet predictions...
gribble: Current Blocks: 316982 | Current Difficulty: 2.38446700388033E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 318527 | Next Difficulty In: 1545 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 8 hours, 43 minutes, and 38 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 26963406238.2 | Estimated Percent Change: 13.07939
jurov: ;;calc 13462580114525*2.9/100/1e8
gribble: Error: unexpected EOF while parsing (<string>, line 1)
jurov: ;;calc 13462580114525*2.9/100e8
gribble: Error: unexpected EOF while parsing (<string>, line 1)
jurov: ;;calc 13462580114525*2.9
jurov: ;;calc 3.90414823321e+13/100e8
gribble: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
jurov: ;;calc 3.90414823321e13/100e8
gribble: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
jurov: ;;calc 2.38446700388033E10/13462580114525
gribble: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
jurov: mircea wrote it was 13`462`580`114`525.3 at JUN settlement
jurov: which is more than 2.38446700388033E10
jurov: apparently mircea moved the decimal dot
assbot: X.IDIFF.JUN has settled. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
jurov: anyway, 2.38446700388033E10/13462580114.525 - difference between JUN and now is 1.77
jurov: so x.idiff.sep should be covered
jurov: thestringpuller: how am i supposed to multiply what?
gribble: Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.
gribble: Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user foofingers has been recorded.
jurov: lol that's excuse now?
jurov: iirc there was a bug in homebrew float parser in php
jurov: so i got an idea like gribble is patched against it
foofingers: Hi people. My is Daniel Marcus. I work together with asciilifeform. And I'm here to do some business with bitcoins. Thank you for having me!
jurov: Hi foofingers. What business?
foofingers: lets say... my ass and vaseline for bitcoins
jurov: what, mircea put another buttcoinlike challenge?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13850 @ 0.00063752 = 8.8297 BTC [+]
assbot: Bitstamp: No withdrawals for Bitcoin related companies
assbot: depositing to bitstamp would be faster with a donkey
assbot: They really are Buttcoins nao pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
pankkake: I fear you left a note to someone named "foofingers,"
assbot: They really are Buttcoins nao pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] [PAID] 1.87696688 BTC to 29`438 shares, 6376 satoshi per share
gernika: Thanks BingoBoingo. I'm just here to watch and learn for now :)
chetty: we seem to be getting a lot of watchers lately :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24689 @ 0.00063776 = 15.7457 BTC [+] {2}
mike_c: ~175 non-voiced. now i'm self conscious.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24300 @ 0.00063851 = 15.5158 BTC [+] {3}
gernika: #bitcoin-assets is an oasis in a desert of bitcoin idiocy.
mike_c: also useful if you need to build a satellite that will stay in orbit.
chetty: <gernika> #bitcoin-assets is an oasis in a desert of bitcoin idiocy.// oasis in a world of insanity
ben_vulpes: what's on the -assets reading list right now?
ben_vulpes: i'm working through the berkshire hathaway letters and "fooled by randomness"
ben_vulpes: i want something on the fall of rome written ~1800 or earlier
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: fooled by randomness, being the first, was also the least developed of taleb's trilogy
chetty: lol, I was just thinking when you asked about reading that it was time for Rome
pete_dushenski: and for the rome bit, there's no other than edward gibbons' decline and fall of the roman empire
assbot: Amazon.com: The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, vol. 1-6 (Everyman's Library) (9780307700766): Edward Gibbon: Books
chetty: although, something on the ottoman empire might be wise atm
ben_vulpes: ooh ooh pete_dushenski what was the book you recently mentioned on zhghghzgzhggis kahn?
assbot: Amazon.com: Genghis Khan and the Making of the Modern World (9780609809648): Jack Weatherford: Books
pete_dushenski: as was dan carlin's hardcore history series on the khans
assbot: Dan Carlin - Podcasts, Merchandise, Blog, and Community Website
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31150 @ 0.00063703 = 19.8435 BTC [-] {3}
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: do you have any rec's on the ottoman empire?
pete_dushenski: though i'm in the midst of herotodus' the histories and i'd highly recommend it :)
ben_vulpes: hm cromer has a book called "political and literary essays"
ben_vulpes: i enjoyed his stories of running egypt, so i think i'll pull that into the queue.
ben_vulpes: oh shit asciilifeform your name alone reminds of of "the art of not being governed"
ben_vulpes: well, i've yet to read the thing, but thanks for the add'l recs.
ben_vulpes: amusingly, hardcover copies of the sultans are avail for $0.01, but not digitized.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ROCK] 3000 @ 0.000609 = 1.827 BTC [-] {3}
ben_vulpes: i use an e-reader for actual "reading".
ben_vulpes: i refuse to even use the backlit models.
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: which herodotus translation are you reading?
pete_dushenski: as well as the "blackstone audiobook anonymously translated" edition
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 57 @ 0.00933663 = 0.5322 BTC [-] {13}
ThickAsThieves: that way i can get off my ass and walk around the neighborhood
ben_vulpes: what, you guys can't read and walk at the same time?
ThickAsThieves: it amazes me how some of the voice actors really make you believe they wrote it
pete_dushenski: go for a bike ride, run, walk, anything other than restlessly sit on two buttcheeks
ThickAsThieves: i'm listening to Snow Crash currently, after getting burnt out on Taleb telling everything what it's problem is
ben_vulpes: the way i bike precludes ear anythings.
ben_vulpes: no, i ride in traffic and need very good situational awareness.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 50 @ 0.01042979 = 0.5215 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: Game 27 - Death 3954 Life 6046 Year 480 - War of Life
pete_dushenski: until the day i get hit by a car and my jewfro helmet cracks, traffic won't stop me from wizzing by at 40kph while i get my history on
pete_dushenski: act like you own the road and its yours for the taking
ben_vulpes: canadian drivers are even more passive than portland drivers.
ben_vulpes: "bike as though you've a million dollar bounty on your head and a neon jersey proclaiming such", as the aforementioned stephenson wrote somewhere sometime
punkman: pete_dushenski: sounds like a death wish
pete_dushenski: it comes down to risk tolerance and not having been (yet) bitten by fate
punkman: on the other hand, I'm pretty used to cars wizzing by at a few inches distance
bats_cd03: i know mircea_popescu would approve, somehow
bats_cd03: ben_vulpes: hows vanads coming along?
assbot: Interviews: Andrew "bunnie" Huang Answers Your Questions - Slashdot
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14800 @ 0.00063937 = 9.4627 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.00063937 = 6.7134 BTC [+]
atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 1.65 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 646.34 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 6.49 TH/s
atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 1.23 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 629.93 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 4.73 TH/s
atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.69 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 705.52 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 4.86 TH/s
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 518.93, vol: 16696.69408067 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 512.532, vol: 4955.29276 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 516.85, vol: 12643.95610087 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 525.18, vol: 14.19643528 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 515.30379, vol: 32783.35370000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 529.95385, vol: 9.62058564 | Volume-weighted last average: 516.296919007
gribble: Current Blocks: 317014 | Current Difficulty: 2.38446700388033E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 318527 | Next Difficulty In: 1513 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 9 hours, 32 minutes, and 25 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 26939001289.2 | Estimated Percent Change: 12.97704
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27650 @ 0.00063948 = 17.6816 BTC [+] {2}
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 516.6, Best ask: 518.94, Bid-ask spread: 2.34000, Last trade: 518.98, 24 hour volume: 16674.48447915, 24 hour low: 500.01, 24 hour high: 528.0, 24 hour vwap: 515.219441522
assbot: Canadian television journalist arrested under order of Capt. Johnson : News
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22150 @ 0.00063863 = 14.1457 BTC [-]
assbot: The Conqueror original theatrical trailer - YouTube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 412 @ 0.00138899 = 0.5723 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 919 @ 0.00063863 = 0.5869 BTC [-]
assbot: APM: Marketplace Radio on the App Store on iTunes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4700 @ 0.00063738 = 2.9957 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2011 @ 0.00063738 = 1.2818 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: i thought its a weirdly broken printer fucker
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 170 Ask: 221 Last Price: 221 24h-Vol: 2k High: 221 Low: 170 VWAP: 170