mircea_popescu: to quote marsellus "the punk" wallace, " You see, this profession is filled to the brim with unrealistic motherfuckers. Motherfuckers who thought their ass would age like wine. If you mean it turns to vinegar, it does. If you mean it gets better with age, it don't. "
diana_coman: and if people don't change, then get yourself a newborn and tell me how is s/he the millionaire
mircea_popescu: children aren't people.
diana_coman: by that measure old people aren't people and idiots aren't people and non-millionaires aren't people and yeah, sure, there's nothing left to discuss either
diana_coman: certainly
mircea_popescu: whether other items are or aren't people has no bearing on the fact that children aren't however.
diana_coman: mk; define people then
mircea_popescu: it'll have to be argued on its own merits, not collective-bargained for.
diana_coman: so that we know what we are talking about
mircea_popescu: adults of the hs species.
diana_coman: it's not about collective-bargaining, it's about the fact that all of a sudden it seems we are talking about different entities, so we need to set the definitions somehow
mircea_popescu: juveniles aren't the animal in any other consideration or context. they WILL be the animal at some point, sure. but the very point of juvenility is they aren't.
mircea_popescu: not just yet.
diana_coman: mhm, so biologically adults or what?
mircea_popescu: whatever way you please.
diana_coman: mk, so an adult is set then to whatever s/he is; is that your position above that people don't change? (I still don't see how is this really reconciled with "they turn to shit as they age!!" - if they change, they can't turn to anything )
diana_coman: if they don't change*
mircea_popescu: they turn to corpses.
mircea_popescu: life isn't "whatever we make of it", but a rather well constrained biological process.
mircea_popescu: similarly a string doesn't "turn into anything". and main section stars don't turn into really large conglomeration of bathroom rubber duckies.
diana_coman: so let me see this: child-adult-corpse-dead
diana_coman: right?
mircea_popescu: something like that.
diana_coman: but things don't turn into anything, so how is this child turns into adult?
mircea_popescu: huh ?
diana_coman: and for that matter what is learning exactly if not change
mircea_popescu: you're not about to try and parlay the fact that the space of possibility is narrower than the space of representations into some sort of dilemma ?
mircea_popescu: the things that can happen are fewer than the things that can be said.
diana_coman: not sure I follow
mircea_popescu: when i broadly reject your proposition of "change" understood in representational terms, i do not by that rejection also somehow reject actual change understood in actual terms.
mircea_popescu: children turn to adults. this does not mean adults can turn into "millionaires".
diana_coman: adults are adults or is now millionaire some other thing in there in between child-adult-corpse-dead?
mircea_popescu: i have no idea what it is, and i don't see that it is very much at all.
mircea_popescu: the whole point is that you can "be" a millionaire in the exact sense you can "be" a wife ; or a tree can "be" yours.
diana_coman: so no, adults do not turn into anything other than corpse by the previous definition, but they do not remain immutable really, precisely as they were, precisely what they will always be
mircea_popescu: depends in what terms.
mircea_popescu: as far as this aspriational "being X" is concerned, yeah, they're closer to immutable than anything else.
mircea_popescu: in purely atomic terms they're incredibly mutable, and a rather good approximation of "random pile of carbon nuclei".
diana_coman: I suppose the difference comes at heart from defining millionaire as a state of being and thus an inevitable characteristic of the essence of a person (that's my understanding of your position)
mircea_popescu: mno. at best it is a state of vision, and thus entirely unrelated to the object,
mircea_popescu: much like any other psychosis.
diana_coman: and my view of it as a stage basically
mircea_popescu: being "a millionaire" is much like "being really scary". it's not something the thing IS, it's something the subject perceives.
mircea_popescu: the object is just the object.
diana_coman: mk, a state of vision so then what does this have to do with "being better" at all?
mircea_popescu: no idea ?
mircea_popescu: which is why i didn't approach the matter in ethical terms at all ; much to pete's displeasure.
diana_coman: uhm, didn't you write "people who are better are better"
mircea_popescu: would you prefer "seen as better" ?
diana_coman: I read that as an implied millionaire=better otherwise why not right it as such: people who are millionaires, are millionaries
diana_coman: ugh, write!
diana_coman: millionaries like missionaries now, can't spell
mircea_popescu: because i have no confidence the million is in any way related. it would seem to me the better is truly at issue.
diana_coman: well, going back to the "interact with reality on different levels" thing might make it perhaps clearer: would this "millionaire vision" be basically a superior level of interaction?
mircea_popescu: unrelatedly, this theory that baltimore riots is directly resulting from john hopkins hospital/uni buying gangland, much like flooding of a spot of floor is directly resulting from broom pushing on the other side of puddle is rather interesting.
diana_coman: or just something in the eyes of the beholder?
diana_coman: she's a beauty and he's a millionaire? lol
mircea_popescu: diana_coman i believe it's not so different from any other simplified approach, such as johnny bravo seeing hot mammas all around ; or else orc warrior seeing world in terms of threats etc.
diana_coman: I increasingly get the impression that you are trying to answer in that post to what you perceive to be people's actual ideas of the thing, but
diana_coman: but it's not really clear what that is in itself anyway and then it gets mingled with what is actually said
diana_coman: or maybe I just don't get it
mircea_popescu: hey, if i didn't know better i'd think you're discussing a trilema article.
diana_coman: lol
diana_coman: anyway,at this level of haziness I don't think there's much that I can say further;
mircea_popescu: "The white men that were visible were all driving; either cop cars or luxury sedans and SUVs. One SUV-load of stoned and drunk white men were shadowing a group of three black girls, calling out the window asking about prices, assuming they were hookers. A young guy standing at the stop next to me yelled to the insane looking Eastern European drunk that was hanging out the window, “Yo fool, they either givin’ it away or ki
mircea_popescu: ckin’ yo ass. Nobody pays fo pussy anymore up in dis joint." << bwahahahaha
mircea_popescu: see alfie, erections are scarce now that they have a cure for it.
asciilifeform: waiwut
asciilifeform: i still wish i knew what mircea_popescu means by 'erection is scarce'
mircea_popescu: what is usually meant ?
asciilifeform: because if taken literally, it is absurd
mircea_popescu: you get 9 tools type A to 10 tools type B ; all the B's work, about half the A's work and while Bs are always on As are on 1% of the time or so.
asciilifeform: erection is cheapest thing in the world
mircea_popescu: what part of fucking scarcity needs explaining ?
asciilifeform: the sort where it is wholly imaginated?
mircea_popescu: erection is "cheapest thing in the world" in the sense "sword in battlefield is cheapest thing in the world". in yo dreams.
asciilifeform: even a tard can muster erect
mircea_popescu: hardly.
asciilifeform: even beggar
mircea_popescu: even old women can get wet.
asciilifeform: well no, not symmetrical
diana_coman: fwiw my understanding of that is simply that there are a whole lot of women around who can't get enough
asciilifeform: but they want enough-mp
diana_coman: so kind of more demand than supply
asciilifeform: not enough-genericbloke
mircea_popescu: the supply is utterly constrained, no matter how you dish it
asciilifeform: 'erection is scarce' is a laugh
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform average whore still works 4 an hour for 6 hours. do i sign you up for 24 fucks a day ?
asciilifeform: yes?
mircea_popescu: lolk.
mircea_popescu: ima start s.malebrothel
asciilifeform: but plox call things as they are, it is not erections that are scarce, but that mircea_popescu has only 1 cock afaik
asciilifeform: and the chix can't all ride
mircea_popescu: why do you think everyone'd want me specifically ?
asciilifeform: who wants reddit cock?
mircea_popescu: i have nfi, reddit people ?
diana_coman: well, they don't seem to be adults there really, hence not people :D
asciilifeform: afaik not
asciilifeform: typical cunt wants nothing to do with typical cok
mircea_popescu: i dunno that there's that many sexually active womenz on reddit. seems mostly BingoBoingo's mayogenders & weirdo bois.
mircea_popescu: twitter im sorry
mircea_popescu: uh no nm, you said reddit
mircea_popescu: im fucking confused, reading lafond on one screen, talking to you here, and you don't use the same word for websocialmedia
asciilifeform: at this point i'm not even sure whether most reddit userz are even made of meat
asciilifeform: lol im also konphyoosed, i'm in a room full of chinese
mircea_popescu: in other news, "Chamicka, age 14, says she accepted Hot Pockets frozen toaster sandwiches for sex and would gladly do it again.Nicole, age 15, says her and her 14 year old sister had sex with a man for a double cheeseburger. Whether it was the cheeseburger meal, and if it was supersized, was not made clear. And Chiquanna, age 14, says she had sex for a lobster buffet dinner."
asciilifeform: bbl
mircea_popescu: check it out, ten bitcents buys you all four.
phf: mircea_popescu: 26-04-2013
mircea_popescu: **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Apr 12 23:03:54 2012 < i have them earlier
mircea_popescu: but of course they're only while i personallt was on
phf: If you can pack&upload from 2012 to date above, I can integrate them
mircea_popescu: yeah ima do that ; tomorro.
phf: Unless somebody steps forward who had a bouncer instance running since the early days
mircea_popescu: but yes a proper bouncer log would be better, save you the gaps you know ?
phf: I'm not sure of a reasonable way of integrating it though. Main issue, and general with canonical log approach taken so far is each entry has an id, starts at 1, and incremented by assbot database
mircea_popescu: mod6 hey man do you have bouncer logs of historical b-a ?
mircea_popescu: phf no negative numbers on your planet ?
phf: Hacky
mircea_popescu: why ?!
phf: Maybe not, I should think about it
mircea_popescu: there's nothing inherently inferior about black oops i mean negative numbers, is there ?
phf: You get a lot of nice properties if all your data has a positive fixnum ids
mircea_popescu: such as ?\
phf: Can put it all in array, index things by ids
mircea_popescu: there's a rule you can't index by negative numbers ?
phf: Could add an offset to your references
mircea_popescu: sure ; if you're going to do that might as well rebase your indexes in db, but anyway.
phf: Then going to lose all old links
mircea_popescu: you mean implicit array such as nth element of A as opposed to A[-5] sorta references ?
phf: Right now there's a nice property of clicking old links in log and being redirected to new logger
mircea_popescu: why, not able to also rebase the links in question ?
phf: Well you can't do a[-1] because array indexing don't go that way. Can write two arrays a and b and make [n] access one or the other depending on the value
mircea_popescu: it huh ?
mircea_popescu: why the fuck not ?
phf: You have to allocate underlying memory in which case a[n] is a claim about where in memory you are reading
mircea_popescu: these are associative arrays, key ai, value bi.
mircea_popescu: o this is in c ?
phf: Nah, universally. A significant property of arrays shared across languages is that they give you some guarantees about access time, space utilization
phf: There are dodgy array like things, that are not actually arrays. Like php that has dictionaries, and uses those to emulate arrays using something they call associative arrays
mircea_popescu: if an array is not a key-value datastore, wtf is it ?
mircea_popescu: a string ?
phf: A key value data store is a dictionary
phf: An array is a superset of string
mircea_popescu: or otherwise : why the fuck would i use anything but strings if the only way to access elements is through a n-th reference.
mircea_popescu: why even call this "an array". it's not an array ; it's a string.
phf: You can store other things in arrays that are not chars, like pointers
mircea_popescu: so you can store things in strings that aren't characters
mircea_popescu: like utf abominations.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 hey man do you have bouncer logs of historical b-a ? << sadly, no. :/
mircea_popescu: aw!
mod6: irk
mircea_popescu: pigeons is gone, rg is gone
mircea_popescu: look at that patrickharnett etc
phf: That's fair, but mostly because the whole thing is a fiction
phf: My logger thing stores log messages as arrays for example
mod6: its a cryin' shame. i /used/ to log shit like a long time ago when it was #bitcoin-otc
mod6: but stopped iirc once it was #b-a
mircea_popescu: well seems i am actually the only one with the logs.
mod6: ya, i'd give you a coin to bundle them up for me -- i'll store 'em somewhere for safe keeping.
phf: Upload em and I will implement mp-array that can be indexed with negatives
mircea_popescu: phf now i much better understand your reluctancy to tree
mircea_popescu: let me guess, trees also can't be hash-indexed or some such bs
phf: There's no reluctance to tree
mircea_popescu: ah k
phf: There's a fact that this code is written for my own amusement, so figuring out how to make memory grep fast is a priority
phf: But implementing proper search is also a good direction
mircea_popescu: the other fact is that i really don't do much coding (mostly because whenever i try i start throwing things out of displeasure of the sort seen above)
phf: Since it's all written without use of any third party libraries I basically just take knuth and code it from scratch
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what means 'historical b-a' here ?
asciilifeform: i have ~98% logz from 2013 up
asciilifeform: **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Oct 6 11:29:23 2012
asciilifeform: but i was a late-comer
asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> check it out, ten bitcents buys you all four. << i bet it buys a good bit of hot air. 14yos ~lie~...
asciilifeform: also in usa 'sex' (esp among teenage scum) often refers to cock suction or otherwise cuntless pasttimes
asciilifeform: in other nyooz,
asciilifeform: http://imgur.com/a/vBI8K
asciilifeform: ^ 'Soft Rotten Meat Flavour'
asciilifeform: Fat is not Greasy, Lean not Wood!111
asciilifeform: <phf> Upload em and I will implement mp-array that can be indexed with negatives << phun phakt, c will ~happily~ permit you to index with negatives.
asciilifeform: at one rupturefarm where i applied to work, there was a notebook of 'pwn this proggy' underhanded-c questions, and one of them relied on this fact.
asciilifeform: (yes you can walk up the stack - or heap, as the case may be - with a negative/overflowing array index)
mod6: this is your fav. isn't it?
mod6: haha
asciilifeform: mod6: which this
mod6: foo[-1]
asciilifeform: nah it's a kind of pons asinorum of underhanded c
asciilifeform: pretty basic.
mod6: yah, we've discussed a bunch.
asciilifeform comes home and finds business card from woman, 'special investigator, diplomatic security service, u.s. dept of state', is momentarily puzzled, notices hand-written note on the back, asking for a fella who lives 2 houses DOWN THE STREET
mod6: :)
asciilifeform: such disappoint.
asciilifeform: momentarily though, CLASSY gassing, sawn to pieces in a motherfucking EMBASSY, my limbs carried out in DIPLOMATIC BAGZ!11111
asciilifeform: but no.
asciilifeform: mere illiteracy.
asciilifeform: *thought
mod6: let us hope not.
BingoBoingo: http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=4114
asciilifeform: holy shit, 74b?
asciilifeform: half an nsa?
BingoBoingo: Yeah. Obesity ain't cheap
trinque: it lives
asciilifeform: congrats trinque
trinque: takes the usual commands, among them: !register, !up, !down, !rate, !unrate, !rated, !gettrust, and !deed
asciilifeform: so wot finally forked?
trinque: yep.
trinque: and I have not imported the old wot
asciilifeform: woah
asciilifeform: why's that
trinque: matter for the forum to discuss; it's not a decision to not, but haven't.
asciilifeform: imho this will just lead to buckets of pointless sweat
asciilifeform: regrunting the old ratingz
trinque: mircea_popescu: ^ ?
asciilifeform: not to mention when folks show up from outside, they still have their keyz, their histories, nobody cancelled them
trinque: !register FC66C0C5D98C42A1D4A98B6B42F9985AFAB953C4
gribble: (register <nick> <keyid>) -- Register your GPG identity, associating GPG key <keyid> with <nick>. <keyid> is a 16 digit key id, with or without the '0x' prefix. We look on servers listed in 'plugins.GPG.keyservers' config. You will be given a random passphrase to clearsign with your key, and submit to the bot with the 'verify' command. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes.
deedbot: FC66C0C5D98C42A1D4A98B6B42F9985AFAB953C4 registered as trinque.
BingoBoingo: Seems like WOT fork bots are always unveiled on Fridays
trinque: I'll properly package the source, clean shit up a bit, then post for asciilifeform, ben_vulpes, phf to give a beating.
trinque: then appropriate to make a genesis v-patch and deed
asciilifeform: https://cryptome.org/2016/04/cia-schillings.htm << holy fuck, nightmare fuel
asciilifeform: that mug.
asciilifeform: in other nyooz, 'ALEXANDRIA, Va. – The hacker "Guccifer," alleged to be Marcel Lehel Lazar, 44, of Arad, Romania, made his initial appearance today here in federal court on charges relating to unauthorized access of protected computers. According to the indictment, from December 2012 to January 2014, Lazar hacked into....'
trinque: old deedbot- will handle feeds til I make an rsstron for the CL guy
mircea_popescu: trinque> and I have not imported the old wot << why not ?!
mircea_popescu: by all means, import, import.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform shame on you for intimating indignities on the angelic character of children. do you not know they be pure as teh driven snot ?!
trinque: man... who uses mysql
deedbot-: [Qntra] US Spy Agency To Demolish Low Income Housing - http://qntra.net/2016/04/us-spy-agency-to-demolish-low-income-housing/
mircea_popescu: You will be given a random passphrase to clearsign with your key <<< this is the wrong way to proceed. how about "we'll encrypt a random string to your key, which you must send back".
mircea_popescu: o nm, lol gribble.
trinque: yeah, that's what I'm doing
mircea_popescu: cool.
deedbot-: [Daniel P. Barron] Count me as thick, I dun see the connection. - http://danielpbarron.com/2016/count-me-as-thick-i-dun-see-the-connection/
trinque: !gettrust trinque ben_vulpes
deedbot: L1: 3, L2: 3 by 3 connections.
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user trinque to user ben_vulpes: Level 1: 2, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=trinque&dest=ben_vulpes | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=ben_vulpes | Rated since: Sun Mar 10 13:57:45 2013
trinque: neato
trinque: imported.
mircea_popescu: win.
ben_vulpes: logs and a wot!
ben_vulpes: thanks trinque, phf
mircea_popescu: !lord diana_coman
gribble: Error: "lord" is not a valid command.
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/a49dece4-fbc4-4d3a-afa9-b1ae2085df8b/
mircea_popescu: o la la
mircea_popescu: !v A3E33DB8F824C115206CB9A8B6B2EDF701556F664741761E8EDF5CE6662D12F7
gribble: Error: "v" is not a valid command.
deedbot: deedbot rated diana_coman 1
mircea_popescu: trinque it'd be much better to include a digest of the command being processed in the pad.
mircea_popescu: something like lord.diana_coman.A3E33DB8F824C115206CB9A8B6B2EDF701556F664741761E8EDF5CE6662D12F7 or such.
mircea_popescu: there's two reasons for this. one's that it eases management of otps if people batch it ; the other's that it acts as a salt offering some protection against some mostly theoretical attacks against privkeys.
mircea_popescu: !lord hanbot
gribble: Error: "lord" is not a valid command.
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/5eecb1dd-ca45-42f3-a08c-5e2438afd14c/
mircea_popescu: !v DB42B53A55C9AF2E40ED370E3BF2D8CD05E5F2D4D82D31F94808B290E5D6ACA2
deedbot: deedbot rated hanbot 1
gribble: Error: "v" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: poor gribble.
mircea_popescu: !lord trinque
gribble: Error: "lord" is not a valid command.
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/e453fef2-da1e-4967-94d8-26d4f5e5f90d/
mircea_popescu: !v 85F6057DA4C8E49DDE741F615A295D66DFA6251F001200568A58DFFF66D78C4D
gribble: Error: "v" is not a valid command.
deedbot: deedbot rated trinque 1
mircea_popescu: trinque thinking about it, we'll hafta use a diff control sequence. ! won't work. how about say $ ?
mircea_popescu: $hola bots ?
mircea_popescu: mebbe
mircea_popescu: %anybotshere ?
mircea_popescu: ^ is very bad and
mircea_popescu: &was used
mircea_popescu: or was it. hm.
mircea_popescu: `could also work
mircea_popescu: !lord BingoBoingo
deedbot: BingoBoingo is not registered in WoT.
gribble: Error: "lord" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: da fuck ?!
BingoBoingo: try lowercase?
mircea_popescu: !lord bingoboingo
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/3e77c1f9-cd74-44c0-81a6-ae6c949dcea9/
mircea_popescu: aha!
gribble: Error: "lord" is not a valid command.
BingoBoingo: 0.o case sensitive bot.
mircea_popescu: !v 9BF58DFB042DBD8550BEF512D7DFD06DE07246EB286C73043E482C7DA365C546
gribble: Error: "v" is not a valid command.
deedbot: deedbot rated bingoboingo 1
mircea_popescu: !lord mod6
gribble: Error: "lord" is not a valid command.
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/d61bab45-eb31-4229-88e6-e71ec0c8359c/
mircea_popescu: !v BAF2FFD66225232CCBC74534C0B8424659FFDF18A5D0A7C8BD854C107A6F8723
deedbot: deedbot rated mod6 1
gribble: Error: "v" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: !lord danielpbarron
gribble: Error: "lord" is not a valid command.
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/42055f13-32c8-46cf-8b76-c4040f339419/
mircea_popescu: !v C8680302CD0CB18BDEBA804BDCBA02C17EEA1CDB266ECE24C52723D88F67699F
gribble: Error: "v" is not a valid command.
deedbot: deedbot rated danielpbarron 1
mircea_popescu: !lord mircea_popescu
gribble: Error: "lord" is not a valid command.
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/97361ded-ef47-435d-8a04-598cde499232/
mircea_popescu: !v 131029CC8611133016940C1536D5BD6818D0252A654BBEE83C3E80266B599F5E
deedbot: deedbot rated mircea_popescu 1
gribble: Error: "v" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: !lord mike_c
gribble: Error: "lord" is not a valid command.
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/92928145-d186-46ed-b7c8-caf8c01fa0d9/
mircea_popescu: !v 6AA6093696E8DE710B702C1F6280BA31EB6934947505AD8836D4AD58F46711FC
gribble: Error: "v" is not a valid command.
deedbot: deedbot rated mike_c 1
trinque: yep I can swap that character at front
mircea_popescu: also maybe make the actual otp meat base64 ?
mircea_popescu: or not, really.
mircea_popescu: !lord asciilifeform
gribble: Error: "lord" is not a valid command.
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/a4cb9bbe-ac8d-4b2c-b14a-e20bada1d8d1/
mircea_popescu: !v 37F77391931AB3B4057CAEDB5DADADBF7B7E59FFD86ACAF9637ADEC31F501CC7
gribble: Error: "v" is not a valid command.
deedbot: deedbot rated asciilifeform 1
mircea_popescu: !lord davout
gribble: Error: "lord" is not a valid command.
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/9a7d6689-acdc-4f5d-8737-f44710b9959b/
mircea_popescu: !v A72B1389E369FB4D029B54239077B230B5C2056972B791B56CA94A97D32AF900
deedbot: deedbot rated davout 1
gribble: Error: "v" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: !rate ben_vulpes
gribble: (rate <nick> <rating> [<notes>]) -- Enters a rating for <nick> in the amount of <rating>. Use optional <notes> field to enter any notes you have about this user. <nick> must be the user's GPG-registered username, Your previously existing rating, if any, will be overwritten.
deedbot hands you a broomstick.
mircea_popescu: !lord ben_vulpes
gribble: Error: "lord" is not a valid command.
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/5182a692-34f0-4d70-9e21-82fe6d3557c5/
mircea_popescu: what, am i a witch ?
trinque: lol
trinque: error message!
mircea_popescu: !v 12B15285872E0D6BEBA0CE2EA956B440B2A4D9BA23B6AB2BFA1559C5E92B9CE5
deedbot: deedbot rated ben_vulpes 1
gribble: Error: "v" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: ahgaha cool.
mircea_popescu: wait, is the bot intimating i'm gay ?!
mircea_popescu: !lord phf
gribble: Error: "lord" is not a valid command.
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/76741275-66cf-43d6-9e28-1b0ff5d5f236/
mircea_popescu: !v EBB7544D91EAA48272527B2A91AD468206F9A386DF296CAB43A6C73D1888A587
gribble: Error: "v" is not a valid command.
deedbot: deedbot rated phf 1
trinque: nah the other one
trinque: "deedbot"
trinque: the one with dash is the old python one headed for the chopping block
mircea_popescu: uhh
trinque: ah you did both, nbd
mircea_popescu: whole new pile of mysteryes.
mircea_popescu: trinque * ChanServ removes channel operator status from deedbot
trinque: wat
mircea_popescu: nfi. looking into it.
mircea_popescu: -ChanServ- No help available for ROLES.
mircea_popescu: apparently they fucked it up silently, /msg ChanServ AOP #trilema deedbot no longer works and so on.
mircea_popescu: fwiw /msg ChanServ FLAGS #trilema deedbot +AOhiortv still works, so w/e.
mircea_popescu: -ChanServ- 23 deedbot +AVtv (#trilema) [modified 11s ago, on Apr 02 14:15:23 2016]
mircea_popescu: so basically, /msg ChanServ FLAGS #trilema deedbot +AHVhtv only works halfway, i guess they did a buncha undocumented changes to the op/halfop/etc mess.
mircea_popescu: fwiw /msg ChanServ FLAGS #trilema deedbot +AOhiortv still works, so w/e.
trinque: a script's chugging away importing all the existing pubkeys
mircea_popescu: o wow check me out!
trinque: boom!
trinque: !up aegis
gribble: Error: "up" is not a valid command.
deedbot: aegis voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: alrighty everyone - you'll be losing the autovoice. if you want voice, plox to say !up to deedbot in pm and then !v his otp.
mircea_popescu: aaaand there we go! wo hoo.
mircea_popescu: !up teleconnor
gribble: Error: "up" is not a valid command.
deedbot: teleconnor voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: !up sakasama
gribble: Error: "up" is not a valid command.
deedbot: sakasama voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: !up alex_cai
gribble: Error: "up" is not a valid command.
deedbot: alex_cai voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: trinque totally gotta change that !
trinque: yep, that sucks.
trinque: one sec.
mircea_popescu: !up bitesak
gribble: Error: "up" is not a valid command.
deedbot: bitesak voiced for 30 minutes.
trinque: $up shinohai
deedbot: shinohai voiced for 30 minutes.
trinque: mircea_popescu: ^
mircea_popescu: win
mircea_popescu: $up midnightmagic
deedbot: midnightmagic voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: say $up to deedbot midnightmagic
trinque: since I grew up in a sewer, the fact that you can go edit a running common lisp program will always bring me great joy.
midnightmagic: Hello. Is perma-+v still via a bot or is there another method now..?
trinque: :D
midnightmagic: ok
midnightmagic: Is it still WoT-based or is it a list?
trinque: $gettrust deedbot midnightmagic
deedbot: L1: 0, L2: 1 by 1 connections.
midnightmagic: \o cheers
mircea_popescu: aha.
mircea_popescu: trinque i gotta say it's pretty fucking cool even for people who didn't grow up at all.
mircea_popescu: $v diana_coman
mircea_popescu: heh... is it crashed ?
mircea_popescu: a, timed it wrong lol.
diana_coman: I think it was my fault, I timed it precisely in the middle of the change, lol
ben_vulpes: syn
danielpbarron: there's plans to make the url for getting the encrypted thing uniform, right?
ben_vulpes: why would you want that?
ben_vulpes: moreover, how would you make that work with batching?
mircea_popescu: what's uniform mean here ?
danielpbarron: http://w.b-a.link/otps/danielpbarron/last << like this
mircea_popescu: oh oh.
mircea_popescu: heh not a trivial thing this, as currently arranged is it
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes he obviously wants it for blind process.
mircea_popescu: "make request, wait so and so, look in this url, proceed"
ben_vulpes: yes quite obvious, trying to get him to reconsider automating the control rods
mircea_popescu: you know, trinque asciilifeform phf ben_vulpes and other folks with the lisp interest : diana_coman 's mishap earlier makes me think about this. so... "changing code without restart is pretty cool". subjectively, it feels that way, i feel it. but then ... what of the people caught in mid transaction by an invisible change ? seems to me this coolness resolves no actual problem, just pushes the goop around.
mircea_popescu: yeah, you no longer have to handle the indignity of restart.
mircea_popescu: but you gotta debug the "wtf this isn't working" complaints of people - and you're even less equipped to handle that, if nothing else because novel.
ben_vulpes: same'd likely have happened even under restart conditions. difference'd be that the chan would (maybe) see a join/part
mircea_popescu: and so would she have, and tried again.
mircea_popescu: there's this "reboot machine" "try again" close coupling that's more the c way than anything about arrays.
danielpbarron: well i still manually move the resulting .asc file to an airgapped machine..
asciilifeform: reboots are retarded. QED.
ben_vulpes: ^^
mircea_popescu: are you gonna engage the debate or quote bible at it ?
danielpbarron: me?
asciilifeform: neither is sanity limited to lisp world. talk to the ericsson folks, with erlang, what, gonna restart swedish phone grid ?
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron not you, him.
ben_vulpes: what, people are accustomed to hammering their fingers in the door, so i should allow for people who want me to hammer their fingers before letting them into the house?
danielpbarron: oh, different Bible, heh
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sanity also includes ~actually specifying~ the fallover behaviours.
asciilifeform: so that nothing burps.
mircea_popescu: can we talk about this here thing instead of other things!
mircea_popescu: oh.
asciilifeform: as in, on tick t, you get routine r1, on tick t+1, r2.
mircea_popescu: like that yeah. you have any idea what sort of task this is ?
asciilifeform: actually yes.
mircea_popescu: specifically : i would judge trinque did 10% of the job yet. still has to specific.
mircea_popescu: specify*
asciilifeform: i have not read his thing, my 1st exposure is just a minute ago, authing with it.
mircea_popescu: ticks ? the lord of time have mercy on your soul.
asciilifeform: but yes, guess what, this is a solved problem in 1970s
mircea_popescu: dating is a solved problem in 1970 ad.
asciilifeform: as are voting circuits, and other aspects of a sane computer
mircea_popescu: for that matter, "how to be rich" is idem problem solved, by orcs even.
mircea_popescu: "go, steal!"
asciilifeform: 'yarrrr become a pirrrate' dun scale.
asciilifeform: sanity - scales.
mircea_popescu: orly ? ask the greeks.
asciilifeform: if not scales, not sanity, qed!
mircea_popescu: "why would a healty man work the field - when there's all this booty in gold and ass to be had ? is he mentally deffective ? a coward ?"
mircea_popescu: so say teh ancient scrolls!
mircea_popescu: "if not scales, not sanity" is exactly a restatement of "all men are equal"
asciilifeform: hey some folks can't do game theory, the gods dropped them as babies, what can i do
mircea_popescu: wait, you mean the greeks can't do gt ?
asciilifeform: the 'why plow the fields'
ben_vulpes: returning to 'boots on the ground', mircea_popescu raises a valid point about changing the interface on users. but the "it should restart on code change to tell users things changed" imposes a very painful, unnecessary constraint on diddling deployed systems.
mircea_popescu: right. so the theory of this here reformation is that they were kinda dumb and didn't understand the glory of modernity ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in the same sense the easter island folks were dumb
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes it is very painful. the "unnecessary" item is still being touched here.
asciilifeform: and couldn't, or wouldn't, think N steps ahead
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and how you know this ?
mircea_popescu: and buy
asciilifeform: do not know, i never hung out with them... can only conjecture.
asciilifeform: from the corpse.
trinque: I'm not totally clear on what happened with diana_coman, because I did not remove the old methods.
mircea_popescu: and by "this" i mean : 1) how do you know thinking steps ahead is possible ; 2) how do you know were it possible you're doing it ; 3) how do you know were it possible and you doing it they weren't.
trinque: the !up should've still worked, method was still there
trinque: I just added the $up alongside.
mircea_popescu: trinque so ambiguity resolves this issue you say ?
trinque: it could've also been that I was running a pubkey import script and it hadn't caught up to her
trinque: nah
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: negative to all 3. again, i only ~suspect~. when i pull the parachute cord, i also do not ~know~ that it will open.
mircea_popescu: yawell, then how is it fit for this discussion here!
asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu wants certainties fit for the godz, he'dve stuck to mathematics, no ?
asciilifeform brb phood
mircea_popescu: well so far all i want is to discuss things cleanly with phriendz, as you say.
mircea_popescu: i'd say experience shows i'm not exactly one to hesitate before dubious action when action is required by events.
ben_vulpes: o.O
diana_coman: <trinque> I'm not totally clear on what happened with diana_coman, because I did not remove the old methods. <- I sent the !up apparently before the change and it worked; but then the !v did not work as meanwhile the change was made (or so I gathered)
mircea_popescu: he says it should have worked regardless.
mircea_popescu: !up
gribble: Error: "up" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: maybe changed meanwhile.
trinque: $rated ben_vulpes
deedbot: trinque rated ben_vulpes 3 at 3623669040 << friend, gentleman, warrior
trinque: hm, need to change those timestamps to something more readable
mircea_popescu: having fun ?
mircea_popescu: o btw, how do i get key ?
mircea_popescu: $key trinque
deedbot: $key trinque is not a command.
trinque: want that to barf the fingerprint?
mircea_popescu: no, the pubkey
trinque: k
mircea_popescu: it'll be very useful because i use gpg auth for eulora, will just have new players reg and then i can get their key
mircea_popescu: $rated deedbot
deedbot: mircea_popescu has not rated deedbot.
mircea_popescu: $rate deedbot 10 It is indeed a bot.
deedbot: deedbot is not registered in WoT.
mircea_popescu: aaaahahahahaha
trinque: d'oh
trinque: $key trinque
deedbot: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/597ad7ee-20fe-4399-8972-0d68e3bb3d87/
mircea_popescu: http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=3820 << kinda interesting. lot of hay is made about "cruel treatment of black slaves", conveniently eschewing the fact that cruel tratament was - and rightfully so! - reserved for POOR PEOPLE.
mircea_popescu: exactly no racial exception was made or considered, nigger, mick, greaseball, hebe, what have you.
mircea_popescu: "do not be poor" being the whole of the law.
trinque: $key deedbot
deedbot: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/6d401799-9e75-4cb4-81c5-d92ad7e49f9f/
mircea_popescu: very nice.
asciilifeform: aaaactually
mircea_popescu: $rate deedbot 10 It is indeed a bot.
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/d3bc497f-b5ae-43ca-884a-7bb601641420/
shinohai: >.>
mircea_popescu: !v C932CF28D825147F556AE640DB3D650CA951227C5B8D716CF8B4BBA264BE42F7
gribble: Error: "v" is not a valid command.
shinohai: nice trinque ! Grilling salmon for lunch, will rate upon return :D
mircea_popescu: $v C932CF28D825147F556AE640DB3D650CA951227C5B8D716CF8B4BBA264BE42F7
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: w.j.cash's 'the mind of the south' describes interesting thing: how the p000rwhitez of the old south were in a historically unique position, where the elite ~did not need them for anything~, nor even bothered to hunt for sport, because they took up space that wasn't cotton or tobacco - enabled
deedbot: mircea_popescu rated deedbot 10 << It is indeed a bot.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there is that part also, yes.
mircea_popescu: whereas the north had a very good use for them, even pre war. stalin was no doubt inspired by it.
asciilifeform: now cash did not go into this, but it is a sort of scathing indictment of the 'if only poor folk were LEFT ALONE!11111 they would FLOWER!11' thing.
asciilifeform: because they summed to ~0.
mircea_popescu: had the southern drunkards have the presence of mind to correctly use the grease, they'd have blown the puritans out of water.
mircea_popescu: that indictment is rank nonsense.
mircea_popescu: what else, cows would flower if left alone ?
asciilifeform: 'it' being not the book, but the historical fact
asciilifeform: the poor whites - were not exploited by anybody.
asciilifeform: and still summed to 0, just as wild cows in india.
mircea_popescu: the ghetto blacks are also not exploited by anybody today.
mircea_popescu: "oh but they had no opportunities"
shinohai: $gettrust deedbot
deedbot: L1: 0, L2: 2 by 1 connections.
mircea_popescu: according to whom, themselves ?
asciilifeform: idk, being fed into helplessness like squirrels in a park, does not count as 'exploit' ?
mircea_popescu: you have the opportunity to start your own gun and cunt trade baltimore operation. factually. except if we ask you.
mircea_popescu: if we ask you, you don't.
mircea_popescu: and if we ask the ghetto blacks, or the southern whites, or on and on and on.
mircea_popescu: "oh if only opportunitits"
asciilifeform: hey i haven't even started a carpet shop or bakery yet.
mircea_popescu: yawell, opportunity doth not ask for permission ; either to come or go.
asciilifeform: (because i'm not a carpet maker or baker, no l3v3r4g3, l0l)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform examples used for illustratory purposes only!
asciilifeform: mmok
asciilifeform: but sure, i also did not go and ask the squirrels in the part whether their feeding was an abuse
asciilifeform: somehow it did not occur to me, to do this.
mircea_popescu: opportunity is in any case an ex post facto construction.
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: it is only ever mentioned for some reason as an excuse-making gadget
asciilifeform: a thing-one-did-not-have-and-so-now-suck
mircea_popescu: whole argument is circular. "why aren;t these schmucks making anything of themselves ?" "because they didn't have the opportunity" ie, "because they haven't made anything of themselves" "oh i see"
phf: Test
phf: Oh I'm still voiced, I was going to say, re "modifying live image is just a cool trick", yes it's not substitute for understanding because nothing is, that's what the tom knight koan is about
ben_vulpes: technical note, all wotpastes linked in #trilema will expire in 36 hours. i'll have to work with phf to get something in place to preserve pastes from #trilema.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, what's plan/eta with logs ? trinque mike_c phf ?
phf: My thing will be live Sunday eve
phf: But I think there's a useful question of how to reliably reconcile multiple log collectors
phf: And distribute those logs to interested parties (like ben_vulpes's paste thing)
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i thought pastes were intrinsically a temporary thing
asciilifeform: (if you want something perma-preserved it goes elsewhere)
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, http://flightless-wings.tumblr.com/post/141914109588
asciilifeform: waiwut
asciilifeform: why 3rd
mircea_popescu: no you don't understand. conspiraci! power! stuff is occuring!
mircea_popescu: i dunno, perhaps because in the half dozen strong warbands of the middle class juveniles the 2nd is the only ACTUALY hierarchy position ? 1-2-bunch ?
mircea_popescu: hey missus tallygirl, tally my banana!
mircea_popescu: night is coming and i'd rather go ho-om!
asciilifeform: also how would anonchik 'undermine' something
asciilifeform: am i thick or wut
mircea_popescu: you don't understand! IMPORTANT THINGS OF IMPORTANCE!
asciilifeform: was there context, or the like
asciilifeform: how does mircea_popescu even come across such a turd
mircea_popescu: i spy!
asciilifeform: i'd sooner spy on a walrus convention (e.g. http://news.nationalgeographic.com/content/dam/news/photos/000/842/84293.adapt.768.1.jpg ) than reddit, but that's just me...
trinque: phf's log viewer looks very nice; if that's not close enough to completion I can put one up on monday.
mircea_popescu: aite.
mircea_popescu: here asciilifeform, to make it all good. http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/lolz.jpg
asciilifeform: l0l!
mircea_popescu: beaver convention close enough.
asciilifeform: l00ks like bottle is full!
asciilifeform: mega-flavour-addition
mircea_popescu: how else to get it out ?
mircea_popescu: shake booty.
mircea_popescu: could build this up to artillery regiment strength.
mircea_popescu: 1st cunt grenadiers.
ben_vulpes: interesting yeast sourcing, mircea_popescu
ben_vulpes: around here we just have hipster girls frolicking in meadows waving empty mason jars around
mircea_popescu: ha.
mircea_popescu: well... more primitive inland oui
ben_vulpes: inland i believe they source yeast roles from landwhale folds
asciilifeform: urgh
ben_vulpes: (i don't know where that errant 'roles' came from)
ben_vulpes: in other news, the keccak reference implementation appears to have been written on a windows machine
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: surprised ?
ben_vulpes: god no
ben_vulpes: bahaha
ben_vulpes: http://keccak.noekeon.org/tweetfips202.html << lulzy shit
trinque afk for a while
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: that thing isn't self-contained
asciilifeform: where are the sha* functions defined ?
asciilifeform: and who the hell cares re how many 'tweets' wtf
ben_vulpes: surely they're just available for dynamic linking in twitter's global namespace
asciilifeform: next we calculate how many sheets of toiler paper trb fits on, etc.
asciilifeform: *toilet
ben_vulpes: yes yes
ben_vulpes: see also 'lulzy shit'
asciilifeform: am i the only one here who has never used twatter for anything.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes, mod6, et al : did jurov stop working as trb treasurer , coinbr operator ? i must have missed this ? 'cause i dun see him in the mircea_popescutronic list
ben_vulpes: submitted the foundation statement yesterday, i've heard of no resignation
asciilifeform: and speaking of other enigmas, did we ever learn what the 200 btc in http://fr.anco.is/2016/bitbet-receivership-first-progress-report were ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not afaik
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> and who the hell cares re how many 'tweets' wtf << girls.
mircea_popescu: in other "us will totally defeat isis" news, "Drained
mircea_popescu: I kinda just wwant to run away and never come back. Or sleep forever. Or jus die. I’m tired of this shit. I feel so drained. I Can’t do this life thing anymore. It’s too hard and I’m not strong enough for this. I wasn’t meant to be here. I wasn’t meant for this. I’m so tired of faking a smile every damn day of my life. I’m tired of dealing with the horrible people of this world cause honestly? I don’t know m
mircea_popescu: any great people who aren’t pieces of shit. I want to either be ignorantly happy, or fucking just die dude. There’s nothing for me here anymore besides my boyfriend but he’ll be better off without me. I feel like I just hold him back…My family would be so much happier if I was gone. I’m the reason everyone’s life sucks. Someone buy me a gun…"
asciilifeform: l0lwut
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i always wonder, why 'someone buy me', a .22 can be had in usa (where i assume this unfortunate creature lives) for < cost of 'ipod'
asciilifeform: plenty good enough for the job
mircea_popescu: eh she's rapemeat. can't even fuck unless someone ties her down first.
asciilifeform: 'that precious last round! that i save! for myself!' (tm) (r) ('последний патрон', afgan, transl. mine)
asciilifeform: in related nyooz, old #b-a now ~entirely dead, kako just tossed out scoopbot...
asciilifeform: RIP.
mircea_popescu: but in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/eccf3269f2aa68a74a152a866d149f1d/tumblr_nvwz4gn9SK1s7fw1no1_1280.jpg
asciilifeform: l0ltr0n1c!
asciilifeform: where, i wonder, filmed ?
mircea_popescu: department of fairness services ?
asciilifeform: they look like ~all $1
ben_vulpes: strip club, singles
asciilifeform: ah.
mircea_popescu: likely.
mircea_popescu: oh and speaking of a certain subculture, http://40.media.tumblr.com/f4a1fad0da42700dd7c0a56c585a8d2f/tumblr_o3fefwEoRk1umdjsdo1_1280.jpg
asciilifeform: hm, airplane?
mircea_popescu: rented limo ?
asciilifeform: l0l i have nfi, have never seen inside.
mircea_popescu: you didn't graduate hs ?
asciilifeform: there was no limo there
asciilifeform: afaik.
mircea_popescu: o.O
mircea_popescu: might be only one.
asciilifeform: in ro there was ?!
mircea_popescu: a, no. but this is us we're talking of!
ben_vulpes: i can attest to this
asciilifeform: i distinctly recall having to drive myself.
asciilifeform: in ordinary toyota.
mircea_popescu: possibly the most ghetto thing about you.
mircea_popescu: "yo bitch - i drove myself to prom. in toyota."
asciilifeform: l3l
ben_vulpes: dude toyotas aren't ghetto
mircea_popescu: you and jamal.
ben_vulpes: they're "fiscally sensible"
mircea_popescu: o ? toyota civic, neh ?
ben_vulpes: infiniti
asciilifeform: me an' shaka zulu, l0l
ben_vulpes: civic is 'poor' not 'ghetto'
ben_vulpes knows, has a civic
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes do these hipster derps completely miss what "fiscal" means ?
asciilifeform: some ancient toyota, i forget what, early '90s vintage, inherited
mircea_popescu: people can't fucking be fiscally anything.
ben_vulpes: "fistally sensible"
ben_vulpes: "i sensed this fist in me"
mircea_popescu: kek
ben_vulpes: "i'm not ghetto! i swear!"
mircea_popescu: in further exploratory news, http://solacebaby.tumblr.com/post/131373681714
mircea_popescu: she knows her concepts and what's a boot.
asciilifeform: l0l in related nyooz i tried a floor washing machine thing, with steampunk water circulator, spinning brushes, etc. and somehow it managed to remove ~NO DIRT
asciilifeform: the wonderz of cn tech.
mircea_popescu: but did it spin/circulate ?
asciilifeform: aha!
asciilifeform: i bet this was the point!
mircea_popescu: spreading works.
asciilifeform: like 'vacuuming' with a plank nailed to a stick
asciilifeform: prolly built to satisfy haranguing wives, etc
mircea_popescu: http://41.media.tumblr.com/6d0969c885a0ef62e088666d44920ca4/tumblr_mokay6vp9N1rfbedno1_1280.jpg << speaking of which. floor cleaning is noob slave job.
asciilifeform: that floor looks terrible!
mircea_popescu: well yeh but the cowsies look satisfied ?
asciilifeform: possib, i'm not mega-bovine-expert
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc 'civic' was an old honda.
mircea_popescu: i thought honda makes motorbikes
asciilifeform: the toyota of the period was called 'corola'
asciilifeform: l0l
mircea_popescu: :D
asciilifeform: everyone knows only Ural makes motorbikes!
asciilifeform: 111 and zundap.
asciilifeform: i have a neighbour, a few streets down, who actually owns a ural.
mircea_popescu: is it still as loud ?
asciilifeform: much!
asciilifeform: when it runs, which is, idk, a month/yr
mircea_popescu: (iirc at the time it was advertised as a feature - keeps bear away)
asciilifeform: the rest of the time the pistons are laid out on his balcony
asciilifeform: lookin' very sad
asciilifeform: it blew my mind, to see that machine here on this side of atlantic
asciilifeform: i suppose everyone needs a lispm, or a bbet, or the like
asciilifeform: some old rusty anchor to bring to life
mircea_popescu: possibru
mircea_popescu: hmm trinque did deedbot die ?
mircea_popescu: also which is the blogs title thing one, deedbot- ? or ?
trinque: yeah, that one's doing rss until I write an rss thinger for the new one
trinque is looking for a part message for deedbot
trinque: he thinks he's still connected on the other end..
trinque: ah there it is.
mircea_popescu: $up deedbot-
mircea_popescu: where is it ?
trinque: wtf?
trinque: alright one sec, I see why
trinque: hanbot: give $up another go
trinque: $up deedbot-
trinque: eh blew up again, gpg is asking for input
trinque: $up deedbot-
deedbot: deedbot- voiced for 30 minutes.
hanbot: thanks trinque!
trinque: yw, thanks for breaking it! :D
trinque: my next order of business is having a proper deployment process for new code.
trinque: I'm going to delete the record which would de-voice other deedbot- .
ben_vulpes: "rsync and asdf:load-system" (tm r phf)
ben_vulpes: oh and tmux
trinque hangs head in shame
trinque: it is in a tmux currently.
ben_vulpes: i'm not entirely certain this is such a bad thing
trinque: I have seen the hell that is "what the fuck is in this repl, and oh right, it is not what is on disk."
ben_vulpes chuckles darkly
ben_vulpes: http://clojurewest.org/speakers#ssierra << related
mircea_popescu: in other news, http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/tmsr-logs-apr2012-oct2013.txt.tar.gz
mircea_popescu: bout 600k lines.
mircea_popescu: more notable firsts :
mircea_popescu: Feb 10 04:08:05 <benkay> i'm waiting for the developing world to figure it out
mircea_popescu: Feb 02 19:50:31 <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: working on it
mircea_popescu: Dec 08 15:28:54 <davout> hi mircea!
mircea_popescu: Sep 17 21:44:13 <jurov> heh, i prefer kibiBTC = 1024 BTC , mebiBTC = 1048576 BTC :D
mircea_popescu: Jan 31 17:40:00 <BingoBongo> Glad I took this bet http://bitbet.us/bet/175/btc-usd-at-mtgox-will-stay-above-14-88-and/
mircea_popescu: Aug 17 20:15:29 <mod6> hai
mircea_popescu: Apr (2013) 07 13:33:23 <punkman> a very hot oven
mircea_popescu: Oct 07 17:09:09 <thestringpuller_> Each asset is unique no?
mircea_popescu: old times.
mircea_popescu: $ sha512sum tmsr-logs-apr2012-oct2013.txt
mircea_popescu: b428627eb901269896d71ee47ebb789e9c29ce85f5bb0cb2d5f1f21457ec1f8d6d7109c208b9741a3d6bbd20ad4e6507b04a470eca13d529daafc18fcd5e147e tmsr-logs-apr2012-oct2013.txt
deedbot: $ sha512sum tmsr-logs-apr2012-oct2013.txt is not a command.
ben_vulpes: can someone tell me what the syntax `unsigned int& nNonce = *(unsigned int*)(pdata + 12);` in the context of http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp#2661 means?
mircea_popescu: pointer to an unsigned integer to be called nNonce and to be equal to the value cast to an unsigned int of the contents of the variable pdata incremented by 12
ben_vulpes: well when you put it that way it's blindingly obvious
mircea_popescu: ianace, but anyways.
asciilifeform: waiwut
ben_vulpes: wutwut
shinohai: $rate deedbot 10 The new eye of providence.
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/a8b361ad-d7bf-4563-9b40-405ee4ff3465/
shinohai: $v 7C53E58E28EA04187D9B66EE6974D41A7AE997B53A3C7AD119D5D9B502665545
deedbot: shinohai rated deedbot 10 << The new eye of providence.
shinohai: $up phf
deedbot: shinohai may not $up phf
shinohai: :(
shinohai: Muy estricto
shinohai: $up phf_mobile
deedbot: shinohai may not $up phf_mobile
shinohai: nope
asciilifeform: $up phf_mobile
deedbot: phf_mobile voiced for 30 minutes.
phf_mobile: thanks
asciilifeform: looks like only l1 can up ?
phf: i can has log reader sometime today tomorrow
shinohai: I suppose so
phf: it requires plenty of work, but only thing i need to wrap up is actual collection
phf: at present it only knows how to pick up kakobrekla's logs and whatever my znc is producing
shinohai: I tried the whole log thing but mine looked like Eulora's - non searchable.
shinohai: Tho inside of bot they are certainly grep 'able >.<
asciilifeform: $up TRS80`
TRS80`: asciilifeform: Error: You don't have the #trilema,voice capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
deedbot: TRS80` voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: wut
asciilifeform: trinque: bugalicious?
asciilifeform: $whoami
deedbot: $whoami is not a command.
TRS80`: asciilifeform: I don't recognize you. You can message me either of these two commands: "user identify <username> <password>" to log in or "user register <username> <password>" to register.
TRS80`: deedbot: (whoami takes no arguments) -- Returns the name of the user calling the command.
asciilifeform: $down TRS80`
TRS80`: asciilifeform: Error: I need to be opped to devoice someone.
asciilifeform: l0l
asciilifeform: what even was that thing
shinohai: $part
deedbot: $part is not a command.
mod6: <+trinque> since I grew up in a sewer, the fact that you can go edit a running common lisp program will always bring me great joy. << this is very cool
shinohai: sorry i realized my bot and trinque 's have conflicting prefixes xD
asciilifeform: $up jurov
deedbot: jurov voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: trinque: gonna import wot ?
asciilifeform: or it is already in, and mircea_popescu is doing l1-only autovoice ?? or wut
jurov: asciilifeform: nobody asked me to stop anything, i can continue doing these things regardless of being on some list
jurov: and ty for voice
ben_vulpes: hi jurov
jurov: hi ben_vulpes
jurov: are you okay with having a treasurer not on "people mp likes to talk to" list?
ben_vulpes: i am not pleased by many things about the schism, jurov
shinohai: Que sera, sera.
phf: i think you guys are reading too much into it
ben_vulpes: i do not understand mircea_popescu's selection criteria for the new l1, but i don't think i am given to.
danielpbarron: $v DEA09E8CA22C985EF0678C761512D5AF1E77467D5E3746F48D8252AA31EB3991
deedbot: danielpbarron updated rating of assbot from 1 to -1 << #bitcoin-assets bot
ben_vulpes: hahaha
danielpbarron: $v 41202DCCE470C75C8DAB987BBF72CDBACAAC01BA97FFCB324AE7446C0D7983F4
ben_vulpes: jurov: but hey perhaps it actually strengthens things to have infrastructure operated by people of varying rank in the various wots
ben_vulpes: not having a single model for what anything means is a feature.
deedbot: danielpbarron rated deedbot 1 << #trilema bot
ben_vulpes: i'm trying to not read too much into it, basically.
jurov: me too, but it apparently comes with unability to self-voice
jurov: $gettrust deedbot jurov
deedbot: L1: 0, L2: 10 by 10 connections.
jurov: &up
jurov: $up
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/76ba2e5e-fbb5-44b7-9c5e-a86661a8ae65/
jurov: rly. first time i was told <deedbot> jurov may not $up
ben_vulpes: jurov: trinque is frantically encrypting otps by hand behind the curtain
phf: i'd ask trinque what the intended behavior is, and whethre or not there's a bug in the system. the new bot's been operational for whole 5 hours
ben_vulpes: phf: i'm waiting for him to chime in
jurov: &v B604B083FA1586ABA162EF9EB2F2F9464CF68F56164AF040922D926DE865C453
ben_vulpes: jurov: $
jurov: $v B604B083FA1586ABA162EF9EB2F2F9464CF68F56164AF040922D926DE865C453
deedbot: You are now voiced in #trilema
ben_vulpes shrugs
ben_vulpes: this is fine
trinque: $gettrust deedbot jurov
deedbot: L1: 0, L2: 10 by 10 connections.
ben_vulpes: http://i.imgur.com/c4jt321.png
shinohai: Play the fiddle as Rome burns.
phf: an alternative to tmux can be "detachtty", which is basically a tmux for non curses processes. it's a bit handier than tmux, since it gives you a pid/ctrl/log for one process only. you can issue batch commands, by doing something like echo '(foo)' | ssh server attachtty --socket=/tmp/cmucl-123.sock
phf: i used to use it for client project deployments, since it's much easier to wire into linux rc.d daemon management, but for casual projects i just do screen or tmux
phf: http://www.cliki.net/detachtty
shinohai: ^ thx phf that looks neat
danielpbarron: $up wallflower216
deedbot: wallflower216 voiced for 30 minutes.
wallflower216: thanks, danielpbarron, and cheers to all. Just a noob here used to reading the logs so lurking here
phf: alt-prtsc-b on this x1 carbon results in immediate reboot. anyone know if that keycombo somehow makes sense? because i have that rebound to ctrl-meta-b, a very useful and frequent lisp editing command
phf: was quite surprised
phf: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key
trinque: asciilifeform: wot is imported; mircea_popescu was setting l1
phf: boyer moore horspool further shaves the search down to .19s, i think further optimizations are needless