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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11350 @ 0.00087234 = 9.9011 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10600 @ 0.00087254 = 9.2489 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 120 @ 0.00460294 = 0.5524 BTC [-] {10}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 39 @ 0.00460001 = 0.1794 BTC [-] {2}
Bugpowder: They question is not "to buy or not to buy?", rather, "when to buy?"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.00086962 = 13.2182 BTC [-] {3}
Namworld: Never?
kakobrekla: no data yet
Namworld: Why buy when you can earn?
Namworld: MtGox about to go 2 digits
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.00087254 = 9.3362 BTC [+]
Duffer1_: why isn't the opposite true?
kakobrekla: 2 digits going to mtgox?
kakobrekla: that cant possibly be
nubbins`: heh
Duffer1_: i mean, why do people believe getting fiat out of Gox will be easier than getting BTC out of gox (thus causing the price of BTC to increase)
kakobrekla: no amount of digits is going to gox!
nubbins`: who knows?
nubbins`: why did people believe gox could be trusted with funds in the first place
kakobrekla: why did people believe <every scam in btcland> could be trusted with funds in the first place
Duffer1_: sure but with money trapped their already it's now a question of what people believe they'll have an easier time withdrawing from gox
Duffer1_: there*
kakobrekla: kraken: Hi Everyone - we are working on a major re-design for the site (no, I don't know when it will come out).
kakobrekla: didnt they lauch like last week?
kakobrekla: launch
kakobrekla: also they added fucking dogecoin
kakobrekla: un fucking believable
wao-ender: nice
kakobrekla: yes, if by nice you mean retarded, we agree.
Namworld: nice as in, let the mythical creatures (kraken, doge, etc) stick together.
kakobrekla: http://twitter.com/rogerkver/status/436663439214120960
kakobrekla: lel
nubbins`: it saddens me when "exchanges" add things like doge
nubbins`: even ltc
kakobrekla: but kraken is hip!
kakobrekla: look at the css
kakobrekla: its amazing
nullp: ;baratio bitstamp
kakobrekla: the what?
ThickAsThieves: here comes 99!
kakobrekla: too bad it wont go to 0
Namworld: MtGox 2 digits
kakobrekla: ;;premium bitstamp mtgox
ThickAsThieves: to the core!
gribble: Premium of Bitstamp over MtGox is currently 456.444069231 %.
Namworld: Cusipzzz 50 retest prediction right.
Namworld: On gox only
Namworld: We're going for it ._.
kakobrekla: dunno where these coins are comming from
kakobrekla: book seems kinda empty
kakobrekla: could be fractional coins
Namworld: book has been empty since like 900 USD per BTC
kakobrekla: on top of everything
kakobrekla: but what does this achieve
kakobrekla: more usd in goxes hands
Namworld: Should have put a 100 BTC short with x100 leverage as soon as bad news hit... if only there was a place to do that.
MisterE: Lots of people got cold Coxed heh
MisterE: I'm all in fiat
Namworld: I could bounce the price back to 900 by closing the short.
kakobrekla: MisterE you are on gox?
MisterE: fuck no
MisterE: their shitty premium and verification process
MisterE: I'm glad they failed like a cancer fallen off
MisterE: plus Japanese lie about everything for a long time before you get the real story
kakobrekla: he is french
pankkake: worse
nubbins`: HEH
MisterE: ^
pankkake: he's fat and french, even more suspicious
MisterE: Trollbox is poppin today
MisterE: Trollbox: "Overstock cancelling bitcoin orders now"
MisterE: gonna go so low and I;m a buy them all
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.06200008 = 0.248 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.1011 = 0.4044 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.16230094 = 0.6492 BTC [-] {2}
Namworld: This is great. We're not at like x10 the price of 1.5 year ago.
Namworld: BTC is growing fast man, so fast. Can't believe.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 23 @ 0.10091304 = 2.321 BTC [-] {3}
Duffer1_: a moment for Gox https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJ4xA5Cggp4
Duffer1_: RIP my friend
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.0710006 = 1.42 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9050 @ 0.00086873 = 7.862 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00086821 = 3.2992 BTC [-]
Vexual: the lack of breakfast egg down the fron't of his magical tshirt is cause for suspicion
cazalla: RIP in peace
Vexual: @150 they may have executed self insurance
Vexual: covered any losses and such
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8912 @ 0.00087387 = 7.7879 BTC [+] {3}
mike_c: gox back over 100! to the moon!
Vexual: if they get back, some will make some coin and be happy, like that fat french chep emerging from his kitchen 3 hours later with your roast duck
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00086821 = 7.9875 BTC [-]
Vexual: theyre good at being bad
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wt6LqblW1Vo
Vexual: to the atc trader, it seems r3wt saved my pittance from satoshis locker, so I will be trading again on both exchanges
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 800 @ 0.00087412 = 0.6993 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: http://www.securelist.com/en/analysis/204792325/Absolute_Computrace_Revisited
Apocalyptic: Vexual, have fun on Openex's spread
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10850 @ 0.00087518 = 9.4957 BTC [+] {3}
Vexual: ug
Vexual: we can find a price
Vexual: asciilifeorm, why aren't bioses bigger?
Vexual: storage is cheap now
asciilifeform: Vexual: they're mighty big, if you ask me
asciilifeform: you can fit just about anything in 4-8M
Vexual: titties on the boot screen, thats as advanced as i get
Vexual: is there such thing as a write once bios?
asciilifeform: Vexual: those used to be standard.
Vexual: circa?
asciilifeform: e.g. the mask ROMs found in most 1980s hardware
Vexual: ah
asciilifeform: in late '80s, EPROM (erasable), programmed by removing and baking under uv light to erase, and writing in a gadget built for the purpose
asciilifeform: then, EEPROM (electrically erasable)
asciilifeform: no uv needed
Vexual: you can make it in your kitchen?
asciilifeform: and finally, modern 'flash', which is really an eeprom that operates on ordinary logic voltage
asciilifeform: (rather than the 12v or so 'erase' rail that was once needed)
asciilifeform: kitchen?
Vexual: lab?
asciilifeform: if you need to read/write old roms, consult arcade machine enthusiasts
Vexual: they still us eit?
asciilifeform: example:
asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1066
asciilifeform: little bugger on the bottom-right of 1st shot is eprom
asciilifeform: (top left of 2nd shot, with electrical tape over window)
asciilifeform: http://loper-os.nfshost.com/wp-content/mwredux/rom.jpg
asciilifeform: bottom two photos: ad-hoc reader
asciilifeform: (add 3 wires and 12v rail, it would write)
Vexual: mmmm so lpt
asciilifeform: quick&dirty, works.
Vexual: sexy
asciilifeform: modern pc rarely comes with lpt, i've a pcie card with one just for such occasions.
Vexual: i like how you can ruin shit pugging them in
asciilifeform: ?
Vexual: plugging in a printer in the old days with things turned on occasionally fried motherboards
asciilifeform: ground loop.
Vexual: i/o wasnt meant to be easy
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6289 @ 0.00087613 = 5.51 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: paradoxically, i/o was much easier (from designer's point of view) in those days.
asciilifeform: usb is a first-class bitch.
Vexual: bill gates evilest contibutiuon
asciilifeform: blame apple for usb
Vexual: ?
asciilifeform: they introduced it
asciilifeform: it's a refinement of their earlier 'adb'
asciilifeform: (the DIN plugs seen on pre-usb apple keyboards and mice)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.06233334 = 0.187 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.1011 = 0.3033 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.16230094 = 0.4869 BTC [-] {3}
Vexual: oh
asciilifeform: usb is a highly-stateful protocol with a book-length standard ☟︎
asciilifeform: vs. something like rs-232, which can be described to a child on a napkin.
asciilifeform: or lpt, where there is no protocol to speak of, only a bunch of wires with controllable logic high/low.
asciilifeform: http://www.ermicro.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/rs232_01.jpg
asciilifeform: https://www.zaber.com/w/images/thumb/1/13/Rs232_waveform_instruction_byte.jpg/400px-Rs232_waveform_instruction_byte.jpg
decimation: ascii maybe we can boot bios out of a TPM
Vexual: can you get a laptop with a 232 anymore?
decimation: and then have that TPM inside a TPM
asciilifeform: 'we put shit in the shit so you can eat shit while you eat shit' (tpm)
decimation: yo dawg we heard you like security
TomServo_: Vexual: Not easily from my experience. Although there are USB to RS-232 converters to be had.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6383 @ 0.00087386 = 5.5778 BTC [-]
decimation: ascii your libretto has rs-232 right
asciilifeform: the converters work for most purposes
asciilifeform: yes it does
asciilifeform: and lpt.
decimation: I've spent hours trying to get random usb-232 converters working
decimation: one would think the drivers would be somewhat standard
Vexual: me too
asciilifeform: (if you have a widget that wants hardware flow control, you're generally SOL with the converter)
decimation: not the case
asciilifeform: at any rate, i've worked with gadgets that would not play with any available converter.
decimation: I wish someone would explain why my hard drive, mouse, keyboard and printer all must use the same I/O bus
decimation: did eliminating the PS/2 ports really save anyone any money? I don't get it
Vexual: i dont own a usb kb
asciilifeform: Vexual: same. no kbds made after 1990 or so.
asciilifeform: (garbage)
Vexual: makes it difficult to talk to some things
asciilifeform: ?
decimation: ascii have you tried those 'new' model m's from the guy who bought the factory from IBM in kentucky?
asciilifeform: yes. wasn't really satisfied
asciilifeform: mechanical quality isn't 100% there.
TomServo_: I was just going to say, I feel like such an idiot for getting rid of all those model Ms
decimation: surely the springs on a 30 year old keyboard are starting to wear?
asciilifeform: decimation: nope.
kakobrekla: i also ditched about 5 of them
asciilifeform: decimation: admittedly, it was ~20 yrs. old when i got to it, so i haven't any idea of what they were like when new.
kakobrekla: maybe theres still some laying around
asciilifeform: they're still ~50 usd. on ebay and the like
asciilifeform: amazingly cheap for what you get.
kakobrekla: yes it was.
asciilifeform: if you're willing to clean the thing yourself, you can go as low as $10.
asciilifeform: keys, caps, and plastic shell overnight in enzyme-bearing dishwash liquid
asciilifeform: wash, rinse, repeat
asciilifeform: alcohol for the electricals
decimation: clickykeyboards.com sells them for ~$95
asciilifeform: did sell. last i checked they were sold out.
decimation: they have some 1391401 models made in 1991
decimation: My first computer was an Epson XT
decimation: cost like $1500 in the late 80's
Vexual: c64
decimation: Apparently the keyboards made after 1992 were made by Lexmark
kakobrekla: black and yellow 286
decimation: that's probably the guy who sells them today
kakobrekla: prolly some clone at that point
Vexual: i had a nice imb xt
Vexual: shouldn't have thrown that out
Vexual: even just the kb
Duffer1: so here's an odd problem
Duffer1: i'm unable to upload an image to any file sharing site
Vexual: that had a keyboard connector
kakobrekla: hm might as well color my irc to amber-black scheme
decimation: apparently in March 1991 IBM divested their hardware manufacturing to a company that became Lexmark
Vexual: mines all cga kako
decimation: Lexmark cheapened everything
kakobrekla: Vexual that is not as haxxing as amber
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2550 @ 0.00087031 = 2.2193 BTC [-]
decimation: ;;diff
gribble: 3.1295731745222874E9
decimation: .d
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5350 @ 0.00086808 = 4.6442 BTC [-] {2}
decimation: ;;seen ozbot
gribble: ozbot was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 hours, 1 minute, and 14 seconds ago: <ozbot> Ken Shirriff's blog: How Hacker News ranking really works: scoring, controversy, and penalties
Vexual: dies a derp
Vexual: whats amber?
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfS5tgNC6qw
Vexual: ahh 2 colour
kakobrekla: http://sales.hansotten.nl/uploads/msx/monitoren/IMG_6798.JPG
Vexual: yes i ne'r had that
Vexual: if i could experience jealousy or shame, i might
Vexual: i only know awe
decimation: I wonder if someone makes a decent LCD-based serial terminal
Vexual: i mgiht have the bits, u want aluminum or wood?
decimation: heh yeah it wouldn't be hard to build
decimation: I wouldn't mind if it were battery-powered
Vexual: powdercoated steel
Bugpowder: mircea_popescu is back!
mircea_popescu: heya.
Vexual: hey mircea
mircea_popescu: what disaster happened ?
Bugpowder: I have taken the gospel and spread fear in the hearts of men
Bugpowder: #mtgox chat has been muted indefinitely
decimation: ozbot is apparently dead
Vexual: the dude from gox is fat and im on my third bottle of whisky
Bugpowder: channel
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4428 @ 0.00087031 = 3.8537 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: not chat
mircea_popescu: mike_c that looks less dumbfoundingly no fucking way-ish. i ordered some data extracted i'll have something in a little
mircea_popescu: once i get to that email or w/e.
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder all hail.
Bugpowder: I watched the pie video two more times and I just can't imagine Tux being evil. So much passion for pie.
Bugpowder: Maybe I am seduced by the french language
mircea_popescu: maybe you're seduced by fatties.
Vexual: i know kaluah when i see it
mircea_popescu: what, srsly, passionate people can't lie ? what's this.
decimation: is that guy still camping outside of mtgox's building in tokyo?
mike_c: less dumbfoundingly stupid? :D assets is so affirming
mircea_popescu: mike_c check yo privilege man.
mircea_popescu: at least you're here.
mike_c: hehe. just teasing.
Vexual: theyre moving to paris so they an toss insolent brits into the river
mircea_popescu: decimation whay wouldn't he, you know ?
mircea_popescu: i mean, he'd be camping somewhere else if not there, not like he has a house or anything.
mircea_popescu: middle class folks looking through the press always imagine that the protesters are you know, like them. house and two cars.
Vexual: nor coin with witch to pay for a roof
decimation: there are probably many actual bums who would be happy to protest for a few coins
mircea_popescu: right ?
mircea_popescu: how do you think obama clinched the elections ?
decimation: Karpales should be arrested by the UN for being a fat fuck
mircea_popescu: #occupy-bumstreet
decimation: busin' bums from the 'hood
Vexual: dont ill have another hernia
mircea_popescu: Vexual i hear Hernia's pretty hawt.
Vexual: seriously, don't make me laugh too much or ill have to pay some faggot surgeon tho render me unconcious and tke a knife to my nether regions
decimation: mircea, I liked your nigger story on trilema, but I was confused about the link on your second footnote - do you mean Yarvin's article posted Sep 2013?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 257 @ 0.00303966 = 0.7812 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: decimation yes, i do.
decimation: okay that makes sense then
mircea_popescu: a rare day when what you thought mp meant is what mp actually meant.
mircea_popescu: lets celebrate!
decimation: heh. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if Mr. Yarvin reads your blog
mircea_popescu: it wouldn't hurt him if he did.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 909 @ 0.00020009 = 0.1819 BTC [-]
decimation: his early stuff was good, especially on the structure of power in the us and economics
decimation: low SNR though
mircea_popescu: anyway, kids about his age in romania used to do this all the time.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 935 @ 0.00020009 = 0.1871 BTC [-]
decimation: skim stuff from idea makers?
mircea_popescu: i know the general opinion is that omg copying is bad or w/e, but i don't hold it. any painter worth a shit was made by copying the old masters in his own hand. it's how you become a good writer, rewrite fucking hemingway
mircea_popescu: or whover you like.
mircea_popescu: decimation the idea isn't to "skim stuff" and try to pass it as your own. the idea is this :
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3050 @ 0.00020108 = 0.6133 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: suppose a guy who is older than you, and better than you, and smarter and more connected and cultivated and powerful than you has a number of slaves, among which this absolutely breathtakingly stunning young lady.
mircea_popescu: now, stealing her and trying to get her dressed is the best exercise a young boy could possibly attempt.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.07000003 = 1.05 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: because, turns out, keeping teh girl content is not exactly trivial. it seemed trivial back when the other guy was doing it, but it is not in fact trivial.
mircea_popescu: this is much better than derping about "privilege"
Vexual: rum diaries?
decimation: yeah, being a good master (husband, employer, etc) is hardass thankless work
mircea_popescu: it's not thankless.
mircea_popescu: i get thanked on hands and knees on regular basis.
mircea_popescu: this is how socialism starts : by encouraging the slaves to not be expressively thankful.
mircea_popescu: it all proceeds from there.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 76 @ 0.00305 = 0.2318 BTC [+]
decimation: This is how the us has become ungovernable
mircea_popescu: quite possibly.
mircea_popescu: i mean, take the notion of censorship. you consider it unbearable to be told to shut the fuck up, keep your bitching to yourself and disperse right now. but... you DO keep your thanking to yourself as a matter of course, as if it's ordained from on high.
mircea_popescu: not like you go to the boss and say, hey, it just dawned on me, you're so much smarter than me. thank you for taking the time to be my boss.
mircea_popescu: and if anyone else does, whay! THAT ASSHOLE! THAT BROWNNOSE.
Vexual: i vote 2
mircea_popescu: well... in this context censorship is merely the enforcing of the obligation of coherence.
mircea_popescu: suddenly you have a society in which censorship is not at all absurd, but quite logically sound and flowing from what the people do.
mircea_popescu: this sucks.
mircea_popescu: (and obviously i mean nothing personal by "you")
B007: the boss is not always smarter
mircea_popescu: so then tell him.
mircea_popescu: obviously he's not always smarter.
Vexual: same as ungovernable
B007: but what if you want to keep the job
Vexual: its not a thing
decimation: so the boss has a right to ensure the slaves are in order
mircea_popescu: you don't want to keep the job where he a) isn't smarter and b) can't cope.
mircea_popescu: decimation more like, it's your duty to live in a sane world.
decimation: in the case where you are in an insane job situation, for example, it would be your duty to leave
mircea_popescu: indeed it would.
decimation: so the position of master cannot be granted by fiat
mircea_popescu: B007 of interest re the boss being smarter always or not, see the mp 50-50 rule, too.
mircea_popescu: decimation yes it can. be your fiat.
mircea_popescu: and it should be, because just like with the poker table : if you live with no masters it just means you're an idiot.
mircea_popescu: s/be your/by your/
Vexual: thats some heavy fucking popescuism
mircea_popescu: yeah, only about 3k years old.
Vexual: i was just gonna say i feel like i should be sitting by a campfire 10k yrs ago
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 980 @ 0.0002 = 0.196 BTC [-]
B007: :%s/be your/by your/g
Duffer1: i'm at a total loss, what could possible prevent me from uploading images to imgur or photobucket or tinypic..
decimation: it is my experience that there is always someone greater
Duffer1: possibly*
B007: Duffer1: whats wrong?
Duffer1: i get an error message whenever i try to upload a pic to imgur
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38600 @ 0.00087322 = 33.7063 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 709 @ 0.00292987 = 2.0773 BTC [-] {11}
Duffer1: not just imgur but any of those sites, regardless of browser
B007: what error
Vexual: decimation: i find that when i try to trade
Duffer1: unknown just says an error occured
B007: unreliable internet?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1939 @ 0.00082945 = 1.6083 BTC [-] {17}
dub: sniff dem packets
B007: ya
Vexual: what are you uploading duffer?
Duffer1: pics of one of my boats for stringpuller
Vexual: one of your boats? how many do you have?
Duffer1: a few
Duffer1: they're models
Vexual: tiikoni.com/tis
dub: he got mad yachts
Vexual: are you watching black sails?
Vexual: as a prequal to treasure island it's disappointing
Duffer1: hey it worked http://www.tiikoni.com/tis/view/?id=3f29bfd
Duffer1: how does that work first try but none of the others do.. fml
Vexual: ok now i feel jealousy, do yo u sell them?
Vexual: is taht real copper?
Duffer1: yea copper hull
Duffer1: there's no market for em, it's my hobby
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 88 @ 0.00299999 = 0.264 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 the grandeur of javascript.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 37 @ 0.00299999 = 0.111 BTC [+]
Duffer1: reinstall java maybe?
Vexual: delete java
B007: i like writing java exploits
B007: so much fun
Vexual: are the spars painted plastic?
Duffer1: it's all wood and string and copper
Vexual: whats it worth?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 2 @ 0.08699999 = 0.174 BTC [+]
Vexual: those hooks should be lashed
Duffer1: ;;later tell thestringpuller must be java problem http://www.tiikoni.com/tis/view/?id=d767b59 http://www.tiikoni.com/tis/view/?id=57922df http://www.tiikoni.com/tis/view/?id=3f29bfd http://www.tiikoni.com/tis/view/?id=d41c734
gribble: The operation succeeded.
Duffer1: lies what hooks?
Vexual: abaft the ratlines
Duffer1: you can get a finished one on ebay i'm sure dirt cheap
Vexual: not with a copper hull
Vexual: put aleanor gibbens on the deck and we'll talk coin
Duffer1: ha
Duffer1: i'm pretty sure the hooks are period correct
MisterE: when will we test 500 already?!?!
MisterE: today for sure
KRS-One: second hand word from ne0futur is that mtgox was hacked...anyone?
mircea_popescu: KRS-One that scammer is still talking in public ?
mircea_popescu: fascinating.
MisterE: I doubt even the people in Gox know wtf is going on let alone outsiders
KRS-One: Yes, supposedly. I got that info from someone else.
KRS-One: i just joined the chan where is talking #mtgox-chat
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4Z9AuT9g5k
KRS-One: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/mtgox-protest
KRS-One: live feed from mtgox hq
Vexual: fuck 13 k viewers
kakobrekla: lol that guy "we knew mtgox is idiots"
kakobrekla: then why the fuck did you have money there
Vexual: nneds more stippers
Vexual: can we get btc girls in tokyo?
decimation: needs more bums too. I bet most bums in Japan are too polite to be much use here though
cazalla: even if they had my coins, i wouldn't sit out there all day
Vexual: roastu ducku tabemashteka?
Vexual: me neither, id send an email
Vexual: shall i traslate?
KRS-One: need moar young japanese hello kitty girls
KRS-One: .bait
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.16230094 = 0.8115 BTC [-]
Vexual: ozbot asleep
decimation: the irony of this whole affair is that while various us states are contemplating idiotic bitcoin regulation, actual bitcoin villians are scamming funds from us citizens
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wa95CvhESQ
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADo6wawOUFo
decimation: such poor editing
Vexual: its a lime stream
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Vexual: hey its a mac, AusBitBank should go and steal it!
decimation: no I mean your japanese music videos
Vexual: yeah
AusBitBank wakes up
Vexual: lol
Vexual: sup AusBitBank?
AusBitBank: nothin much .. what am I stealing now ? *reads backlog*
Vexual: nothing i know of
Vexual: unless you're affiliated with gox these dyas? :)
AusBitBank: lol nah I cut ties with that trainwreck long ago
decimation: lol all the sad sacks whining on the ustream
decimation: I sold my house and gave the proceeds to Karapales why oh why
Vexual: its all good in the neighbourhood mano
Vexual: i kinda wish i had an account
decimation: just so you can watch the trainwreck?
Vexual: yeah
Vexual: bitcoinity should aution gifspace
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Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajeL87l3prM
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBcywAE1pTk
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YbGN1BMSLc
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Vexual: KRS-One that stream would be a lot more interesting with godzilla
Vexual: did they move to shibuya?
Vexual: can we get these guys on chan?
Vexual: ill buy em a pizza
Luke-Jr: >_< that SubsidyAlgo patch broke it
Vexual: oh
Vexual: does dhl fly there?
Vexual: what journalist?
Duffer1: i keep checking log to see if you're talking to someone i have on ignore..
Vexual: me?
Duffer1: ya lol
Vexual: luke was ere, is he ignore?
Duffer1: nope
Vexual: im just talking to myself
Duffer1: <3
Vexual: >_<
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Quy2RhefKT0
Vexual: dhl!
greenspan_fan: and the marketplace deliver: https://www.bitcoinbuilder.com/
greenspan_fan: (don't know if anyone has already mentioned it)
Vexual: tre market
greenspan_fan: or, if you prefer, technical people looking to profit off of technical incompetence
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/guidance-there-is-no-such-thing-as-bitcoin-taint/
mircea_popescu: required reading, as they say.
mircea_popescu: Luke-Jr say wut ?
mircea_popescu: greenspan_fan yeah we had a lol yest.
greenspan_fan: idk if it's completely fungible; you can analyze the blockchain, right? and idk if there's a mixer that you can trust.
kakobrekla: Sorry kakobrekla, you are banned from posting or sending personal messages on this forum.
kakobrekla: You have been banned by a forum moderator. You may appeal here: banappeals-w6pquw43@theymos.e4ward.com .
kakobrekla: ok so this is the new ban model
Vexual: you're always benned
kakobrekla: yeah well ill ban them back if they come here!!11
Vexual: excellent
greenspan_fan: like I mean, once you have a certain amount of information about the users inferences between two addresses becomes much more accurate
greenspan_fan: what would you do if people started leaning on you for data on your customers?
mircea_popescu: greenspan_fan nope, you can't "analyze" the blockchain,
mircea_popescu: you can just think you can.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla hardly worth the attention now are they.
Vexual: i lik ethis gox,bum, just trading
Vexual: stop asking feckin stoopid questiuns
kakobrekla: anyone with half a brain is not there.
Vexual: yeah well i dont have a pssport
mircea_popescu: hes just trying to get a bitcent or w/e it is.
Vexual: 32ksterling
Vexual: oim fookin ruined!
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mircea_popescu: https://blog.blockchain.info/
mircea_popescu: check out the derpage seriously.
mircea_popescu: bluehost ?
Vexual: derpage be in the feed
Vexual: how much yen u lost? whoa i cant count
kakobrekla: but can you cunt?
Vexual: you dont even know kano :)(
Vexual: im surely feeling a fiddle coming on
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGPGknpq3e0
greenspan_fan: I was hoping for a link with more fiddle
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Xmg0uVsPpk
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Congratulations on defending the slander of your soul from the indignity of being allowed on Bitcointalk
kakobrekla: thank you!
kakobrekla: i would drink some voda and instant coffee to toast if i had some
kakobrekla: vodka
benkay: amazing concontion
mircea_popescu: got potatoes ?
benkay: cuntcocktion
kakobrekla: i got potatoes, i love potatoes, i dont hav etime
mircea_popescu: so if you don't have time, have a potato.
benkay: potahto
Vexual: no more whisky no more gin
Vexual: its vodka dribbling down my svchin
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ouqhCtIh2g&feature=kp
kakobrekla: raw potato will make my time even shorter
benkay: this is disappointing: https://blockchain.info/address/13iGD7nu6kXTtPS9DxKhY4gJdgchvdXJFH
Duffer1: ?
kakobrekla: is that gox cold storage?
Duffer1: ha
benkay: http://trilema.com/2013/so-whos-running-the-courts-circus/
mircea_popescu: This exceptionally cold and snowy winter has shown that government climate scientists were dead wrong when it came to predicting just how cold this winter would be, while the 197-year old Farmers’ Almanac predicted this winter would be “bitterly cold”.
mircea_popescu: moar farmer's almanac.
benkay: i'm going to go ahead and guess they're both kinda just stochastically wrong
greenspan_fan: stochastically? climate science makes bad predictions due to overfitting
greenspan_fan: "With four parameters I can fit an elephant, and with five I can make him wiggle his trunk" -- Abraham Lincoln
mircea_popescu: actually i'm with greenspan_fan here.
benkay: wrong with a beautifully normal distribution on some wrongness axis
mircea_popescu: they overfit to all hell, which is the bane of noobs and politicos in science.
mircea_popescu: and finance.
mircea_popescu: and everything.
Vexual: i agree check your barometer and your atns
benkay: not really buying that an almanac is more accurate
mircea_popescu: why not ?
greenspan_fan: if climate change worries you, looking at the reports they don't really publicize that some places stand to benefit
greenspan_fan: I'd take it more seriously if all the people involved were buying up russian and canadian farmland
benkay: eh not terribly worried about the downside. i know it's pretty bad.
mircea_popescu: greenspan_fan meta fitting :)
Duffer1: kansas needs shoreline
Vexual: why no aussie greenspan_fan?
benkay: gotta drain the tundra, greenspan_fan.
benkay: it's not simply farmable as is.
mircea_popescu: benkay minable.
greenspan_fan: Vexual: ozone depletion, so you get (more) cancer w/ your tan? I haven't looked at it in years though
Vexual: china is buying our arable land like theres no tommorrow
jurov: benkay you need water, not just soil
benkay: mircea_popescu i was going to bring up water table problems but just freeze a berm around your mining works el oh el oh el
mircea_popescu: im not a geologist employed by a venture fund trying to buy siberian lands, so what do i care about the water table et all.
mircea_popescu: obviously some places will be better and others worse, but we're discussing the birdseye view here
benkay: nm
mircea_popescu: it'll drain somewhere. you don't really want to buy the riverbed, i guess, but if you disperse your ownership you gotta average out ok.
benkay: i don't really expect accuracy on predictions of the behavior of a really complex multidimensional set of oscillators and dampers (see: planetary processes of weather etc) with totally unknown coupling from a set of modelers whose heads gotta be up they asses much less a book from a ways back
mircea_popescu: benkay the book is better, strictly because it doesn't have the tools to overfit with.
mircea_popescu: you familiar with the concept of overfitting ?
greenspan_fan: well, the book looks at far less data, and perhaps those parameters are better selected
mircea_popescu: greenspan_fan nah, they simply don't know math. that's their saving grace.
Vexual: overfitting is imaining where the diamonds are without sighting them?
benkay: intimately. i did a spot of modeling when building a wafer host for a wager probing mfgr.
mircea_popescu: benkay ok so then.
greenspan_fan: I'm doing some modelling too, but it's mostly catalogue work for sears
mircea_popescu: not knowing you can do complex poly fitting means you'll just draw a line through the datapoints
benkay: okay out of curiosity, on what bases were the authors of this almanac predicting?
mircea_popescu: rather than end up with some crazy.
greenspan_fan: I think it's just cyclical trends?
benkay: fully granted
mircea_popescu: benkay hearsay.
mircea_popescu: i think you underestimate the majorly powerful computer natural language is.
mircea_popescu: you perhaps imagine mankind hasn't been using computers before the numeric machines. this would be false.
benkay: hah i do?
mircea_popescu: i dunno, why im proposing it.
benkay: i operate from the basis that we're just chemical machines.
greenspan_fan: additionally, all the fancy numerical methods we use are older than the farmer's almanac, or close to
mircea_popescu: a ok then. well that'd be overfitting for our needs.
mircea_popescu: let's say that we are chemical machines which fit a very primitive lua.
benkay: cognition, layered abstractions.
mircea_popescu: much like bitcoin is running on supercomputers but basically oding some very primitive scripting.
mircea_popescu: you with me ?
benkay: yeah yeah
mircea_popescu: so a bunch of derps cca 1700 who are desperately aware of farming, cause their life depends on it
mircea_popescu: will make and diffuse observations, which is not so unlike asciilifeform's light problem solver yest.
mircea_popescu: eventually they compute something
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mircea_popescu: and that something is the farmer's almanac.
greenspan_fan: it's kind of like feature discovery in AI
mircea_popescu: it's not either very good or very fixable (or actionable, scientifically)
mircea_popescu: but it IS a better fit than the modern climate science.
greenspan_fan: you quantify something (albeit abstractly, like "cold winter" or "windy previous season" or whatever)
mircea_popescu: greenspan_fan that's the beauty of natural language vs math.
mircea_popescu: "cold winter" IS a quantification in that sense.
mircea_popescu: it just doesn't have a numeric value
mircea_popescu: it has a lingustic value.
benkay: oh man but this system has a horrible problem
mircea_popescu: it does yes
mircea_popescu: a number of them.
greenspan_fan: hence abstractly; then you can form causal relationships between your observations
mircea_popescu: greenspan_fan yeah we're pretty much in agreement.
benkay: which is that most people have just totally fucked substrates for running these operations
mircea_popescu: benkay errors diverge.
mircea_popescu: that's why it takles 197 fucking years to even compute anything usable.
greenspan_fan: additionally, people reinforce their belief on correct predictions and the people who are bad at thinking in terms of a-->b tend to starve vs. write almanacks
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mircea_popescu: and a whole slew of things such as group selection, and marginalisation, etc
mircea_popescu: all flow from trying to keep the machine as sharp as possible.
greenspan_fan: what is cool is that there's all these (possibly apocryphal) stories about how, say, the inuit have 47 different words for snow
mircea_popescu: that's why the scapegoat is NOT a "horrible crime" in a 1700s culture, but quite fucking required, sane and reasonable.
greenspan_fan: why would you need so many words? because these are the features that you use to interpret your environment, and sometimes survival means knowing light, wet snow from permafrost
mircea_popescu: greenspan_fan boas' idea is widely disputed.
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't use it raw like that.
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benkay: there being a relationship between abstraction power of words and the number of maintained in brain on mental horsepower.
benkay: some optimization point on the curve, etc
mircea_popescu: benkay the original argument against teaching the plebs to write.
mircea_popescu: still valid to this day.
benkay: hah i get it fills their brains with ideas they can't handle
mircea_popescu: the original argument against moving away from latin service in church. "what and lose all that abstraction power ?!?!"
benkay: they'll go crazy!
mircea_popescu: benkay no. "it will take more than they can carry to teach them what we mean by all the words"
mircea_popescu: "they'll fuck up the values of our variables and break all the code"
benkay: does latin have significant abstraction power?
benkay: also what are your favorite languages?
mircea_popescu: in the sense that at the time french didn't exist latin had been used continuously by millions for millenia
mircea_popescu: yes it did.
greenspan_fan: english, lisp, then latin in my case
mircea_popescu: greek, latin and romanian.
greenspan_fan: vulgus vult decepi, ergo decepitur
benkay: what's your ranking of them by power of expression?
mircea_popescu: there's no such power of expression function that can be discussed over the set.
benkay: sure and all programming languages are turing equivalent so why bother
greenspan_fan: I'd put english, then lisp, then latin, but that's probably by order of familiarity
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mircea_popescu: benkay if you care of some inkiling of why greek is the mother of them all, maybe http://trilema.com/2009/etimologia-democratiei/
greenspan_fan: I'm kinda skeptical that you can trace lisp back to greek
mircea_popescu: you can trace thought back to greek
mircea_popescu: lisp, not so much.
greenspan_fan: I can't even find a keyboard that has the greek alphabet in it
mircea_popescu: no space cadet where you live ?
greenspan_fan: have you read Jaynes' "The origin of consciousness in the breakdown of the bicameral mind"? it's kinda on point in that regard
mircea_popescu: yeah.
greenspan_fan: and no, so all my variables are "alpha" or "epsilon", which is frankly depressing
benkay: mircea_popescu: what did you think of the Jaynes book?
mircea_popescu: i thought it was okay.
greenspan_fan: it's more something that you read about for the ideas, rather than because it's a complete and fleshed out theory
benkay: on an entirely unrelated topic
benkay: this waffling about the legality of bitcoin by places thailand etc are just going to delay its recognition as a thing by the big institutions
benkay: which is great
mircea_popescu: it's really indiferent.
greenspan_fan: more time to perfect the algorithm vs. faster adoption?
mircea_popescu: take the great plague. what difference does the church pronouncement against a great plague, or for it, or about it
mircea_popescu: make to the plague itself ?
greenspan_fan: if you tell all the churchgoers to stay indoors it might make a difference
mircea_popescu: did it ?
mircea_popescu: plagues run to completion. they know.
greenspan_fan: haha
greenspan_fan: and sometimes, the people it forces to stay indoors invent calculus
greenspan_fan: or something. I forget.
mircea_popescu: sure. lawsky will probably invent a whole new way of fucking women in your office
mircea_popescu: owing to his very bizzare low table.
greenspan_fan: googled it, was not disappointed
mircea_popescu: one thing that always shocked me about soviet aparatchicks was how horribly bad their suits were.
mircea_popescu: today what shocks me about the soviet aparatchicks is how horribly uncomfortable their stuff is.
jurov: benkay, define recognition
benkay: "harder, please"
jurov: they will try to ban it? tax it? how?
mircea_popescu: jurov you going to go for a "what they think they see is not what is there thus no recognition could have taken place" ?
mircea_popescu: lol harder please
mircea_popescu: you know you'd have made a great harem girl benkay ?
jurov: yes, i'm interested wha exactly benkay thinks he sees
benkay: i'm working on training my first!
benkay: i dunno
benkay: i'm stoned
mircea_popescu: don't break anything.
benkay: it's late
benkay: hands off the servers i promise
greenspan_fan: what's bizarre to me is how everyone in that AMA was pretty much begging for regulation
mircea_popescu: they'd also made decent harem girls.
mircea_popescu: most do.
greenspan_fan: but it's this unquestioning faith that the best policy is to always shoehorn everything into whatever the prevailing paradigm was
benkay: eventually the bag bursts
mircea_popescu: seems a reasonable approach really.
mircea_popescu: woman goes picking berries.
mircea_popescu: if she finds a new type of berries, you really expect her to run home and come back with a new type of berry bag ?
greenspan_fan: it's more like, if you went picking berries and wandered upon a mcdonalds
mircea_popescu: even so.
greenspan_fan: yes, you can store cheeseburgers in the same bag, but you could also just use the drivethru
mircea_popescu: but you don't have a drivethrough in your country.
greenspan_fan: (before the analogies diverge too much) the problem is is that it completely misses the point about how there's now a fundamentally different way of acquiring food
Vexual: ;;ud dillybag
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Dilly%20Bag | Dec 15, 2010 ... Dilly Bag. Apparel such as a satchel or handbag carried by escorts and strippers that are used to contain a variety of accessories used in their ...
mircea_popescu: obviously it misses the point.
benkay: thanks vex
mircea_popescu: why'd you expect her not to miss the point ?
greenspan_fan: because that is a universe I would like to live in
benkay: hey Vexual hit me with some old dub
Vexual: how old ar eyou?
benkay: hahaha
benkay: from before 1970 plz
benkay: 50's if you got it, if it exists
mircea_popescu: greenspan_fan so then act that way don't expect that way :D
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYPOghwtEr4
benkay: lovely thankee
Vexual: too big a jump
benkay: it's grand
greenspan_fan: mircea_popescu it's not something that you can do just on your own, though
mircea_popescu: not missing the point is not something you can do on your own ?
mircea_popescu: then what do you want from her.
greenspan_fan: if there's a big enough push, the government can/will step in, regulate everything they can regulate and exterminate everything else
greenspan_fan: it's a marginal risk w/r/t bitcoin, but jeez, one wishes everyone could just get w/ the program w/o all these false steps
mircea_popescu: what are you talking about even.
greenspan_fan: for example that fawning AMA
greenspan_fan: he (and his suspiciously low desk) aren't on your side. They might not be against you, but it's still not a great idea to do your best to hand over control to the first guy with a title and incipient back problems who comes along
mircea_popescu: they aren't ?!
mircea_popescu: wait, reddit hands something over ?
greenspan_fan: well, not really
greenspan_fan: as you point out those people are typically sub 0.1 btc holders
mircea_popescu: dude five minutes ago we were in perfect agreement on complex math stuff, now i have no idea even what you're on about.
mircea_popescu: how can things change so.
greenspan_fan: local inflection point, maybe?
mircea_popescu: must be someting.
mircea_popescu: but i mean, from what axioms you proceed ?
mircea_popescu: i can't identify a shared one even.
greenspan_fan: A1: The government has, at varying levels of cost, options to subvert/ruin the valuable aspects of bitcoin
Vexual: bullshit
greenspan_fan: A2: the government responds to popular will, to some degree
greenspan_fan: A3: The folks on reddit constitute a reasonable sample of the voting public, from which "popular will" is derived
mircea_popescu: a1 and a2 aren't true tho.
mircea_popescu: but write out the whole list it/ll be helpful
Vexual: bc was invented for government fail, not to solve it
greenspan_fan: doing so, since I went to the trouble of using colons and everything
greenspan_fan: P1 (A2, A3): The support on reddit indicates there's some popular demand for government regulation of bitcoin
benkay: another vex another
mircea_popescu: wait, aren't you missing a a4 ?
Vexual: where do we go from here?
greenspan_fan: P2 (P1, A1): There's a good chance of government regulation/interference occuring, which, depending on the effort involved, could lead to subversion of the valuable aspects of bitcoin
chetty_: reddit twerps count as popular demand? now I know I fell down the rabbit hole
mircea_popescu: chetty_ myeah.
benkay: something with some soul
jurov: subversion of the valuable aspects of bitcoin << what should i imagine here?
mircea_popescu: greenspan_fan your axiomatic system is incomplete. the redditards live off the govt dole. since the govt can not create value out of thin air, you're missing an a4
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXbP4JBf8To
mircea_popescu: describing the people the govt actually extracts value from to give to a3.
benkay: amazing vexual!
greenspan_fan: I don't even really know how the us economy functions, but it does, after a fashion
greenspan_fan: so I think it's fair to say that it has some ability to execute on A1
greenspan_fan: consider that part of the "dole", in the form of pandering
greenspan_fan: that really should be A4, to be honest; it's kinda weird how I thought that was pre-axiomatic... :(
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell mike_c here's the actual data : since jan 1st mpoe bot has quoted 7192 times, for a total book exposure of 62930 minutes, = ~43.7 days (out of 51.4) so like 85%. of these in turn 7 (so like 90%) have been since the 14th, ie since the signal divergence.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: greenspan_fan :p
mircea_popescu: so now... the people whose livelihood depends on government do see it as on their side. it is.
mircea_popescu: they also do expect it to continue making their lives possible, as it has in the past.
mircea_popescu: now, on these reasonable expectations you posit that the government can somehow take the shine out of metal for their benefit ?
mircea_popescu: the shine is to the metal, not separable.
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greenspan_fan: bitcoin's an idea, and to quote abraham lincoln once again, "there's nothing that can stop an idea whose time has come"
greenspan_fan: but in the short term you can delay it, for sure
mircea_popescu: more importantly : your average kid on reddit could not survive if i teleported him to a random place on earth.
Vexual: tru dat
mircea_popescu: of fucking course he expects what he expects neh ?
mircea_popescu: but merely that of course he expects it is no ground to say of course it can be done.
greenspan_fan: so I wish these people would just get with the program and not invite the apparatchiks (I think that's also the model of his desk? from ikea, maybe?) to mess things up
mircea_popescu: of course children expect to be the kings of creation. so what of it ?
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0A3-wc0rpw
mircea_popescu: greenspan_fan but a) they're not inviting him anywhere, because wherever they are so is he already
mircea_popescu: and b) what's he gonna fuck up ? reddit ?
greenspan_fan: I think we're mainly in disagreement w/r/t whether or not they'd be able to meaningfully intervene
mircea_popescu: so model it.
greenspan_fan: if I had the resources of the us govt, and I wanted to wreck bitcoin at all costs, I'd start w/ outlawing its use for payment, and impose penalties for anyone in my jurisdiction who has a bitcoin wallet
mircea_popescu: you read the discussion re atc with asciilifeform ?
greenspan_fan: no, can you link me?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2014#505460 ☝︎
greenspan_fan: then I'd move on to technical subversion, which might mean dedicating supercomputers to attack the blockchain, or just ddos/hack any of the major players
mircea_popescu: you'd be perpetually too late.
mircea_popescu: that is the problem.
mircea_popescu: not that you couldn't have run, achilles, but that you neglected the turtle.
jurov: greenspan_fan: there are much more cost effective options, and they are deployed right now
jurov: this: http://mirrors.dotsrc.org/fosdem/2014/Janson/Sunday/NSA_operation_ORCHESTRA_Annual_Status_Report.webm
jurov: long but worthy.
benkay: vexual that's crazy
greenspan_fan: listening to it while my code compiles
Vexual: toolong
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0bS-YnLf4s&list=PLB3AFACEE85B0C572
greenspan_fan: mircea_popescu I think we're a year or two out before the hash rate reaches escape velocity
mircea_popescu: really ?
mircea_popescu: can you estimate current network hash in alu ops ?
greenspan_fan: the bailout was like a trillion dollars
mircea_popescu: you familiar with the concept of the bezzle ?
greenspan_fan: yes, I am canadian after all :p
greenspan_fan: for far less than a billion I could commission enough asics to make the network mine, for all intents and purposes
mircea_popescu: ok so. they spent a trillion "Dollars", but those trillion dollars could not have bought a trillion one dollar ringdings
mircea_popescu: no, you could not.
mircea_popescu: you imagine infinite elasticity. this is false.
mircea_popescu: the people who can make asics are ALREADY doing it, on their own account
mircea_popescu: they don't need your billion.
mircea_popescu: so what you got nao, pops ?
mircea_popescu: keep your billion.
greenspan_fan: thx, I need it for my rent anyways
mircea_popescu: this is exactly the trap VCs in their own mind struggle with atm.
mircea_popescu: "o, we got a billion"
mircea_popescu: "well... enjoy shoving it in and out ?"
mircea_popescu: their bitcoin being, of course, dollars, we couldn't, of course, care less.
greenspan_fan: as long as you spend it before the ponzi implodes you're in the clear, no?
mircea_popescu: who you're going to spend it to ?
mircea_popescu: you're desperate to spend it, and the people you need to do things aren't desperate to get it.
jurov: greenspan_fan: you imagine tsmc can and will reject all orders for 2 month or so just cause usg drops a billion?
greenspan_fan: the nsa, intel, whomever
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16528 @ 0.00087979 = 14.5412 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: greenspan_fan if the nsa, intel, whomever actually could hire more people
mircea_popescu: they'd hire some people who wouldn't be spilling their beans each year.
greenspan_fan: if you model leaks as a poisson process, they're actually pretty air-tight
greenspan_fan: plus, you're assuming that technical talent doesn't respond to things like patriotism
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-02-2014#475162 << and see that too for better context. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: greenspan_fan technical talent DOES respond to patriotism much more than to money.
greenspan_fan: a few posters of rosie the solderer and voila, you've got your asics
mircea_popescu: the problem is, their country is the serenissima,
mircea_popescu: and your shitty empire trying to infiltrate it will pay through the teeth for no results at all.
greenspan_fan: as a (possibly out of date) counter example, I could point to the manhattan project
greenspan_fan: thousands of supremely bright, capable people, managed by the army, built an atomic bomb in like three years
mircea_popescu: still with the manhattan project ?
mircea_popescu: you know this was a majorly discussed topic recently hiar.
mircea_popescu: do you ?
mircea_popescu: anyway : back then the most serene republica veneta was the us. much in the sense of how back then the bitcoin of the world was the usd.
jurov: greenspan_fan: anyway, what you suggest is *not* about building something, but the exact opposite
mircea_popescu: thigns have changed. we have a real republic and a real bitcoin now, which leaves the us back among its peers.
mircea_popescu: jurov here's the funny thing on top of it : if the us actually DID try to build something, like a superadvanced asic design ? we'd get it for free in the next leak bundle.
mircea_popescu: and we'd use it better than them, so overal... thanks for the fishes.
greenspan_fan: I'm not saying this is likely, or even permanent
greenspan_fan: just that my preference would be to avoid the struggle
mircea_popescu: why ?
greenspan_fan: because I value my time
mircea_popescu: but how else is your time to be spent ?
mircea_popescu: "life is on the wire. everything else's just waiting."
Vexual: todays fish is trout a la creme
greenspan_fan: I just don't really see an upside to tedious interference by lansky et. al.
Vexual: enjoy your meal
jurov: not seeing an upside is different thing than
jurov: "subversion of the valuable aspects of bitcoin"
greenspan_fan: by valuable aspects I meant things like consistent network performance, ease of exchange, ease of adoption
mircea_popescu: uh.
mircea_popescu: not only those aren't the valuable aspects of bitcoin
mircea_popescu: but it doesn't even have them.
greenspan_fan: (for some values of the above)
mircea_popescu: "the valuable aspects of icecream : warmth"
mircea_popescu: "for some values of warm"
greenspan_fan: best served at 250 kelvin
greenspan_fan: there are others, but those are kind of baked in
mircea_popescu: bitcoin has terrible overhead and it is without a doubt the klunkiest, most ineffectual way to transmit payments ever devised
mircea_popescu: i nthe history of mankind.
mircea_popescu: you think that's its main value ?!
jurov: lol, like some fb derp wrote just hour ago that mtgox failure is "damaging bitcoin philosophy"
greenspan_fan: haha
mircea_popescu: jurov clearly.
jurov: i just replied what philosphy? stfu pls
mircea_popescu: oppressor.
Vexual: satoshi designed it that gox might imrove the philosophy
greenspan_fan: no, I think it's actually really elegant
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mircea_popescu: greenspan_fan sure, it is really elegant, but not for those reasons.
greenspan_fan: "get off my wall with your cis-decafe-non-mtgox privilege"
Vexual: whats that when its a sentence?
greenspan_fan: 10-to-life for hate crimes?
Vexual: oh
mircea_popescu: o look who's here.
greenspan_fan: mircea_popescu as a means of exchange, all those things are valuable though, and most easily attacked
mircea_popescu: greenspan_fan you have any kids ?
greenspan_fan: mircea_popescu nope, why?
davout: bitcoin. stahp.
mircea_popescu: well, most parents have this experience. whereby angry 5 yo threatens to hold his breath to death.
mircea_popescu: first timers get really panicked about it.
mircea_popescu: sane people couldn't care less. when kid's had enough holding his breath he'll give up on it.
Vexual: how long has facebook been a thing?
mircea_popescu: ~5 years.
greenspan_fan: since 2005 or so, I think
greenspan_fan: Feb 4, 2004
greenspan_fan: jesus
mircea_popescu: when it was started != when it was a thing
Vexual: i wonder how many humans it has created
greenspan_fan: I am going to say, at least 500 million
greenspan_fan: most of those were immediately pre-ipo
Vexual: i mean random dads
Vexual: it aint 500m
greenspan_fan: I wonder if they've modelled that internally?
greenspan_fan: I was thinking more "users" to inflate their statistics
mircea_popescu: was geared towards college kids originally, so prolly plenty.
Vexual: either way its prolly closer to 500m than 0 in a sense
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHGAtHc_e_0
Vexual: no more factories, but heres a tablet app
KRS-One: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDYGlDV4ldo
mircea_popescu: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/Women_working_at_Douglas_Aircraft.jpg
mircea_popescu: gotta love 1940s jean cut.
Vexual: worldpop was smaller then mircea, it's all skinny jeans now
mircea_popescu: skinny jeans are okay, but not really for everyone.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16724 @ 0.00088092 = 14.7325 BTC [+] {3}
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HH6ZRJlTsDY
Vexual: i ypothesise that you can't put too many ants into a colony, something normal will happen
Vexual: hormones and all
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 31 @ 0.00469998 = 0.1457 BTC [+] {2}
Vexual: just liek these gox protesters: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WG4S4NpdJug
KRS-One: That was a kind of famous picture mircea_popescu
Vexual: whats that?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1794 @ 0.00087916 = 1.5772 BTC [-]
Vexual: riviting aircarft?
KRS-One: yes
KRS-One away Zzzzzzzzz
Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6uEMOeDZsA
Vexual: hey bugpowder, do yo uthink you can sell fireants with double testosterone to the ethical standards comitte?
mircea_popescu: yeah it was.
Duffer1: has there been any b-a discussion of kurzweil or singularity?
Duffer1: or trilema?
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 207 @ 0.0021795 = 0.4512 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 789 @ 0.00018902 = 0.1491 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 450 @ 0.0021795 = 0.9808 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: on trilema some.
Duffer1: i have been unable to locate such
mircea_popescu: soo ukraine just defaulted ?
jurov: where?
mircea_popescu: word around the campfire.
mircea_popescu: there's a coupla bn in 2015 notes that are being written off.
jurov starts filling all available contaainers with natural gas
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 650 @ 0.00018 = 0.117 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 700 @ 0.00017504 = 0.1225 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 916 @ 0.000175 = 0.1603 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1172 @ 0.00017002 = 0.1993 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3100 @ 0.00087916 = 2.7254 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 8 @ 0.1 = 0.8 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.49 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5381 @ 0.00088144 = 4.743 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 105 @ 0.00469994 = 0.4935 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00017 = 0.17 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.49 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: jurov re blinding : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKp67SrSLlM
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8145 @ 0.0008759 = 7.1342 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 21 @ 0.07000005 = 1.47 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 51 @ 0.0047 = 0.2397 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 575.0, Best ask: 575.79, Bid-ask spread: 0.79000, Last trade: 576.99, 24 hour volume: 39740.40054212, 24 hour low: 530.01, 24 hour high: 604.5, 24 hour vwap: 571.791472504
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 90 @ 0.0047 = 0.423 BTC [+]
Mallstromm: ;;market sell 40000
gribble: Bitstamp | A market order to sell 40000 bitcoins right now would net 13173637.7416 USD and would take the last price down to 100.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 329.3409 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0292 seconds
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.00088516 = 11.5956 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: ;;lasers
gribble: ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.48100101 = 1.924 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.481001 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.48015143 = 3.3611 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13494 @ 0.00087782 = 11.8453 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3056 @ 0.00087576 = 2.6763 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2553 @ 0.00087712 = 2.2393 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1631 @ 0.00087524 = 1.4275 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: http://bitnode.io provides public & private p2pool nodes. 0% fee on public nodes. private nodes on inquiry. private nodes and altcoin nodes coming soon
KRS-One: He should just send the 5000 euros to me, at least I'll send him an autographed nudic pic back for his troubles.
KRS-One: ;;seen ozbot
gribble: ozbot was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 13 hours, 26 minutes, and 45 seconds ago: <ozbot> Ken Shirriff's blog: How Hacker News ranking really works: scoring, controversy, and penalties
KRS-One: why
ThickAsThieves: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHVWegNfQl0#t=54
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4783 @ 0.00087278 = 4.1745 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.06200001 = 0.124 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.0029 = 1.45 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.061 = 0.244 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00087204 = 0.872 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14189 @ 0.00087398 = 12.4009 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: ticks are so nasty
ThickAsThieves: gmaxwell: wumpus: yea, I understand they had timed automatic reissues... :( this was also something I didn't know prior to monday before last and is one of the other reasons my "they couldn't have lost much!" position softened to "I have no freeking clue." ☟︎
ThickAsThieves: ;;later tell bugpowder http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-02-2014#521580 ☝︎
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ThickAsThieves: from: http://pastebin.com/DaSph9uT
Mallstromm: ThickAsThieves: old news
ThickAsThieves: old news in this chan?
ThickAsThieves: if so sry
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.101 BTC [-]
davout: http://blog.bitcoin-central.net/2014/02/19/the-cloudflare-mitm/
davout: where is ozbot?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10706 @ 0.00087537 = 9.3717 BTC [+] {2}
random_cat: .bait
jurov: davout so what do you use?
davout: jurov: i'm used to ozbot fetching the <title>, doesn't really matter :-)
jurov: no i mean instead fo cloudflare
davout: jurov: nothing
davout: i'll have to eventually figure something out
davout: last time i got DDoS'd i set up a different IP, and sent it to customers that asked for it
davout: i think an e-mail MPEX-like API would be good
davout: i don't have a definitive answer
davout: maybe i'll end up using them if i can make sure nothing sensitive goes thru
davout: imma replace bitcoin addresses displayed on the website by gpg-signed e-mail receipts for example
jurov: you can show gpg signed output in browser, too
jurov: pity there isn't a plugin that can verify it, tho
jurov: triyng to develop it would prolly be best way to let nsa goons to identify themselves :D
jurov: https://webpg.org/?view=downloads#ext-firefox hmmm but there is something
jurov: if it is sound project, maybe everyone at #assets can push it for their projects
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.063 = 0.315 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.06362249 = 0.2545 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: interesting
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.06399999 = 0.128 BTC [+]
davout: jurov: the problem with showing the GPG data in browser is that said data would be generated asynchronously
jurov: you need to generate deposit addy asynchronously?
davout: the GPG-signature and address generation can't happen on the web facing servers
davout: that protects you against a compromised server too
davout: because if you work from the assumption that no frontend/app server will ever be compromised you're in for a world of pain
davout: the best way to design security is IMHO to consider that you're already compromised, at least to some extent
jurov: it can still happen elsewhere
jurov: asynchronicity by itself will not help you against frontend compromise
davout: asynchronicity is merely a consequence of "the frontend doesn't know shit about where the sensitive server is"
jurov: i don't think it's absolutely necessary consequence
jurov: it's sufficient if the sensitive server has minimal interface exposed to frontend and does not implicitly trust it
jurov: it cen even be behind proxies like mpex does and still can be pretty responsive
jurov: but what i want to discuss, if we all can force users to install gpg browser plugin
asciilifeform: gpg running automatically in a browser (or elsewhere) is questionable wisdom.
jurov: and use it to auth to the service and verify sensitive data it got back
jurov: i don't believe anything more is achievable while providing srvice to chumps
asciilifeform: verify, ok. sign/decrypt without human trigger pull - no thanks
jurov: they can then easily migrate to using cardano
asciilifeform: jurov: one of the reasons why cardano is that the host machine does not automatically know that a cryptographic widget, as such, is plugged in.
asciilifeform: only the human knows
asciilifeform: a dedicated piece of soft for talking to cardano defeats this purpose.
asciilifeform: and creates an easy target
jurov: all that is actually needed is to have ability to save to file/load from file
asciilifeform: yes
asciilifeform: but consider the question of whether an attacker can automatically determine that cardano is present and in use.
asciilifeform: if you have any dedicated software component on the pc end (e.g. browser plugin), it is a target.
asciilifeform: if, on the other hand, you merely move files onto and out of a usb drive...
davout: asciilifeform: how is 'put file on usb device, check for encrypted file magically appearing' not possible ??
asciilifeform: davout: because it doesn't appear until the trigger is pulled
davout: aaah
davout: smart
davout: automation is overrated
asciilifeform: soviet nuke subs, it is said, have manually-cranked reactor controls.
davout: well then the attack becomes more complex
davout: think its still feasible tho
davout: put file on usb dev
davout: wait
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07147981 = 0.5004 BTC [+] {3}
davout: if at some point encrypted copy appears, user pulled the trigger
asciilifeform: not that a human, driving a pwned machine remotely, will remain permanently unaware that the victim owns a cardano
davout: however the attack is easily detectable in taht case
davout: yeah
asciilifeform: but an automatic diddler is faced with a considerably-harder problem.
davout: true
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07147989 = 0.2144 BTC [+]
jurov: how would cardano be hidden from someone watching my desktop?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.07147999 = 0.7863 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: jurov: once again, a human watching, if he has a brain, may eventually figure it out
asciilifeform: but, unlike the case of a dedicated app, there is no simple mechanical test.
MisterE: http://winkdex.com/#/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13926 @ 0.00087097 = 12.1291 BTC [-] {3}
jurov: but i did not mean the gpg plugin to ask cardano to encrypt/sign automatically
asciilifeform: jurov: ideally, there would be nothing on the pc that suggests ownership of a cardano.
asciilifeform: at all.
jurov: then you want completely sterile machine that's booted every time from image, anyway
asciilifeform: jurov: for some applications, this makes sense.
davout: IBM was right, it's better manually
kakobrekla: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrxPuk0JefA
mike_c: mircea_popescu: i don't know what the discrepency is, but my logs disagree with that. Like I am seeing that Jan. 25th and Jan. 28th were basically down all day and I just got stock bid/asks from the market depth feed. who knows. i'll look for bugs in my poller sometime.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.00087004 = 4.1762 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0714 = 0.1428 BTC [-]
davout: kakobrekla: haha incredible
davout: (i'm so fucking scared now to say the ama zing word)
davout: i can't believe it's not some sort of clever gopro ad
pankkake: amazing
davout: nooooooo
davout: oh wait, it is a clever go pro ad
Jere_Jones: http://trilema.com/2013/snsa-first-product-the-cardano/
Jere_Jones: Damn, that was hard to find.
davout: ;;google cardano snsa
gribble: S.NSA - Cardano pricing, other statements pe Trilema - Un blog de ...: <http://trilema.com/snsa-cardano-pricing-other-statements>; S.NSA, January 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2014/snsa-january-2014-statement/>; S.NSA pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/category/snsa/>
Jere_Jones: Yeah. I didn't know the snsa part. :)
davout: :-)
Jere_Jones: Now maybe I can re-read the earlier discussion and it will make more sense.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5350 @ 0.00086986 = 4.6538 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.000175 = 0.175 BTC [-] {2}
davout: kakobrekla: where's the bitbet on mtgox's solvency ?
pankkake: http://bitbet.us/bet/751/mtgox-out-of-business-in-2014/
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.062 = 0.124 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.101005 = 0.202 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.16230094 = 0.3246 BTC [-] {2}
davout: ty
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.16230094 = 1.623 BTC [-]
diametric: http://bitbet.us/bet/281/btc-usd-at-mtgox-will-be-above-150-on/
diametric: thats gonna sting
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4440 @ 0.00087213 = 3.8723 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10750 @ 0.00087105 = 9.3638 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 57 @ 0.00299997 = 0.171 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00299998 = 0.12 BTC [+]
the20year2: The contract was accepted completely on the 2 houses on 1 lot :)
BingoBoingo: Sweet, Serena Williams lost, so I made money.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.95323557 BTC to 2`431 shares, 80347 satoshi per share
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.00087219 = 7.7625 BTC [+] {3}
TomServo: .d
TomServo: Oh yeah. No ozzy.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-]
benkay: mornin
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.020002 = 0.2 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07148 = 0.2144 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: from btce russian trollbox: '[gox] will end up like soviet gensec: after prolonged illness, perished unexpectedly...'
pankkake: can russians still use btc-e?
pankkake: or any exchange
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 4 @ 0.090005 = 0.36 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00087093 = 1.7419 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 24 @ 0.00450016 = 0.108 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.101 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.063 = 0.126 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8550 @ 0.00087029 = 7.441 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.101 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-]
benkay: http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/1b9iyl/my_friend_foolishly_let_me_ssh_into_his_account/c95chhf
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 42 @ 0.00449094 = 0.1886 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 43 @ 0.00430232 = 0.185 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11550 @ 0.00086941 = 10.0417 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: tourette hooker neighbour is locked out of house
nubbins`: idly considering calling police to report break-in in progress
ThickAsThieves: lol
ThickAsThieves: what is it with women not saying what theu mean all the time
benkay: do it nubbins`
ThickAsThieves: "i was going to ask you to write a check for the floor guy, but he's leaving now" "ok, but he's here now, i can write a check now, right?" "he's leaving now" "so write a check for him now?" "yes, that's what i said."
ThickAsThieves: pretty much all wife-to-husband communication
mike_c: hah. i have had that exact conversation recently.
benkay gives ThickAsThieves a katana. it is enchanted +5 specifically for cutting through female chatter.
ThickAsThieves: it works in reverse too, like when you say something that's seems painfully clear, it gets interpreted as the much less likely but arguable possible version
ThickAsThieves: arguably*
ThickAsThieves: "I don't want french fries." "Oh you already ate?"
ThickAsThieves: and such
ThickAsThieves: everything must mean something more, i guess
benkay: if you let it
benkay: "dear, the simplest interpretation is the one you're looking for."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.071 = 0.71 BTC [-]
benkay: no, i just don't want any french fries.
benkay: vigilance against being disposed of?
ThickAsThieves: but are you hungry?!
ThickAsThieves: hehe
benkay: ;;calc 40*4/2
gribble: 80
benkay: 80
nubbins`: dealing with this client who runs a hot yoga studio
nubbins`: she said she'd be by last night at 7:30 to pick up her order
nubbins`: i waited til 9:45, unil "sorry i forgot!"
nubbins`: today: "i'll pick them up at 2pm". 2:45: "i'll be there soon." 3:00: "can i pick them up at 4?"
ThickAsThieves: "you can pick them up whenever i'm here"
nubbins`: because hey, everyone is a robot but her and she's the only person whose time is valuable
nubbins`: if she's not here by 4:00pm exactly, i am literally not answering the door when she arrives
ThickAsThieves: at some point i stopped allowing pickups
nubbins`: nod
ThickAsThieves: all prices included shipping costs
ThickAsThieves: FREE shipping!
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: she wanted organic racerback-style tank tops. such a thing does not exist. the closest we could find was tanks with 6.25% organic cotton
nubbins`: so instead of getting regular cotton tanks shipped from the next province over, we order 6.25% organic tanks shipped from the exact opposide end of the continent
nubbins`: because, y'know, eco-friendly
nubbins`: idly considered buying regular cotton tank tops and sewing a 1" organic cotton seam on the bottom
nubbins`: round it up to an even 10% organic
nubbins`: honestly, given the choice between being "eco-friendly" and giving the appearance of it while being the opposite
nubbins`: people almost invariably choose the appearance
ThickAsThieves: just rip all tags out always and imprint your own branding
ThickAsThieves: builds customer "loyalty"
nubbins`: have idly considered this, but sizing
nubbins`: next thing you've got 4 screens, one for each size S-XL
nubbins`: might do it anyway tho, we use these nice shirts now that have easy-tear tags
ThickAsThieves: is tagging legally required at all?
ThickAsThieves: i suppose people have allergies?
nubbins`: country of origin and care instructions are mandatory
nubbins`: not sure about materials, but probably
nubbins`: some brands have two tags: a brand tag and a care/materials tag
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kakobrekla: http://radiostudent.si/sites/default/files/styles/thumbnail_w530/public/slike/2014-02-21-napihovanje-temelji-juna%C5%A1kih-src-slovenskih-olimpijcev-24165.jpg?itok=I8pyq9aF
kakobrekla: is true.
nubbins`: she showed up with SIX MINUTES to spare
nubbins`: and of course she arrived in a smart car
nubbins`: groan
dub: is she fat?
nubbins`: no, she runs a yoga studio
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dub: both yoga instructors I've had were a bit chunky, havent done bikram though
kakobrekla: did you do yoga or did you do the instructors?
dub: the yoga
greenspan_fan: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/02/harvard-supercomputing-cluster-hijacked-to-produce-alt-cryptocurrency/
dub: i did an aerobics instructor if that helps
nubbins`: helps what? :D
KRS-One: she must have had a nice bod
KRS-One: ;;seen ozbot
greenspan_fan: it's funny, because I was thinking of using a supercomputer to mine dogecoin, but decided not to because the idea was idiotic on many levels
asciilifeform: botnet is cheaper
KRS-One: When the hell is he getting back here with my porn
asciilifeform: and expandable.
greenspan_fan: but I don't have l33t hacker skillz
KRS-One: all u have to do is write some gay malware
greenspan_fan: It's not for me. I've seen that movie w/ keanu reeves. I don't even know kung fu.
asciilifeform: most crapnet artists have no l33t sk1llz
asciilifeform: they just buy a ride from professional spammers
greenspan_fan: enh. just doesn't seem like a good thing to get involved with
asciilifeform: neither is mooching cpu cycles from employer
greenspan_fan: who said I'm employed?
asciilifeform: well, from whoever
asciilifeform: but if you're hijacking something, why not a supercomputer. 'might as well hang for a sheep as for a lamb.'
greenspan_fan: I think it would be a good story to tell in prison
asciilifeform: 'whatcha in for? doge'
greenspan_fan: "wow"
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nubbins`: such time
nubbins`: many soap
asciilifeform: several places have massive fpga clusters, hijack those.
asciilifeform: not intel crap
nubbins`: fuck that, hijack a train
greenspan_fan: interestingly, you might be able to hijack a shipment of fpgas or asics, which would make for the nerdiest heist movie in history
twizt: eh
AndrewWhatsUpppp: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tONLDwGK1Qc
jborkl: Anyone want to buy Google Glass for BTC- I have not ordered them yet so you can pick out color style
twizt: when u want something done u gotta do it urself -_-
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ThickAsThieves: http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/02/21/280730201/enterprising-girl-scout-sells-cookies-outside-marijuana-clinic?utm_content=socialflow&utm_campaign=nprfacebook&utm_source=npr&utm_medium=facebook
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.0055 = 0.55 BTC
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nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/teksavvy-ordered-to-id-alleged-movie-downloaders-1.2546477
nubbins`: "[Judge] Aalto ordered that before Voltage can send a letter to the alleged downloaders, it must return to court to get the wording of its communications cleared by a case management judge."
nubbins`: "In order to ensure there is no inappropriate language in any demand letter sent to the alleged infringers, the draft demand letter will be provided to the court for review," Aalto wrote. "Any correspondence sent by Voltage to any subscriber shall clearly state in bold type that no court has yet made a determination that such subscriber has infringed or is liable in any way for payment of damages."
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ll_: hopefully that will slow infringement trolling in .ca
mike_c: paging eulora support. any suggestions on investigating seg fault on launch? http://pastebin.com/pr0rpyfp
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mike_c: nubbins` did you ever get this thing building/running?
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nubbins`: mike_c: haven't had much time to look at it the past few days. having some issues getting crystalspace up and running
nubbins`: did you examine the xml file listed?
mike_c: i did. a large config file for the updater.
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nubbins`: wanna pastebin it?
mike_c: btw, i downloaded cs from bundle 1, set CRYSTAL and LD_LIBRARY_PATH env variables, and it found it
mike_c: obviously i don't have the game working though.
mike_c: i can pastebin it, but i don't believe it is modified from the download bundle (if you have that)
nubbins`: i'm compiling CS from the latest snapshot
nubbins`: not going too great so far :D
nubbins`: ah, that xml file is actually pretty small
nubbins`: yeah, not much in the way of clues there from what you've posted
mike_c: yeah, maybe something with the audio issues they've been having and my sound drivers
nubbins`: they did mention audio was borked, didn't think it was a breaking problem tho
mike_c: nor did i.
mike_c: but those DEBUG lines are supiscious
benkay: how ams even software, guys?
benkay: and ladies of course
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nubbins`: benkay: barely :D
benkay: barely software?
benkay: nubbins`: ^^
nubbins` nods
nubbins`: D:
nubbins`: ...failed updating 315 target(s)... ...skipped 306 target(s)... ...updated 715 target(s)...
nubbins`: NOT BAD
benkay: many software
benkay: much barely
benkay: so deploy
benkay: wow
nubbins`: targets plz, no update
pankkake: http://blog.cassidiancybersecurity.com/post/2014/02/Bitcrypt-broken that's why bitcoin is down!
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diametric: pankkake: https://blockchain.info/address/1HKCHx1RFhNHuF3NxLviHdrjNFzJbCTvrC
diametric: looks like some suckers paid up
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asciilifeform: re: ransomware: '90s virii simply formatted your disk. how exactly is this any worse?
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asciilifeform: esp. since it is possible to refuse VirusOS today - vs. then
pankkake: ;;view 19807
gribble: #19807 Fri Feb 21 18:04:10 2014 sorjef SELL 12.0 GOXBTC @ 0.4 btc ((Would like to sell my gox btc. Hurry up! Since this is my first trade here will send money first if you have a good rating, if you're newbie like me escrow is needed.. Thanks a lot!))
pankkake: this is hardcore
asciilifeform: 426 bit rsa key, lol
Apocalyptic: pankkake, i've seen worse
Apocalyptic: 50 goxBTC for 1 BTC
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mircea_popescu: mike_c weird, wild stuff.
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mircea_popescu: @Mircea_Popescu This is like saying "behind every nigger is stupidity" @ligayaya "Behind every troll is pain." Community wisdom @nrrrdcore #PassionProjects
mircea_popescu: @ligayaya @Mircea_Popescu @nrrrdcore actually, I don't think it is. at all.
mircea_popescu: @Mircea_Popescu @ligayaya @nrrrdcore Of course you don't think so. Oppressors honestly think they're just being nice.
mircea_popescu: win ?
mircea_popescu: win.
mircea_popescu: mike_c i passed teh thing along.
mike_c: crash report? thanks.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform remember Stoned B ? ☟︎
asciilifeform: sure!
mircea_popescu: mike_c o no no, ty.
mircea_popescu: we had a number of segfaults which were ironed out, curious if yours is a new brand or some edge case.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it was such a problem where i lived by 1992ish i was able to spot it with diskedit
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mircea_popescu: jesus twitter is unbearable.
mircea_popescu: how did all these schmucks end up so persuaded of their own importance anyway
wao-ender: v0v, mp in one line with nrrrdcore
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in case you missed, beautiful turd: http://www.securelist.com/en/analysis/204792325/Absolute_Computrace_Revisited
mircea_popescu: wao-ender who's that, you know em ?
wao-ender: mircea_popescu: some lady around github
asciilifeform: (tldr version: 'useful' bios rootkit enabled by default on some boxes)
mircea_popescu: oic.
mircea_popescu: "This report is a return to the problem of security mechanisms implemented in modern anti-theft technologies that reside in firmware and PC BIOS of commonly used laptops and some desktop computers."
mircea_popescu: best abstract ever. tyvm whoever wrote this, now i know.
pankkake: because twitter caters to that kind of thing, everything in it prevent actual discussion
asciilifeform: i actually sat on a jury some years ago in a case where 'computrace' was the evidence.
mircea_popescu: pankkake yeah i think you may be right, there is something to this sculpting communities theory.
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asciilifeform: the turd is unremarkable; quite like the usual winblows rootkit, except for the fact of 1) ships in stock bios on most x86 laptops and 2) c&c servers eschew authentication or crypto (!)
mircea_popescu: so has mtgox delivered asics yet ?
mircea_popescu: is bfl making payments ?
wao-ender: and nrrrdcore is part of ladies of github afaik
mircea_popescu: wao-ender ok but did she actually do something ?
mircea_popescu: or is it more like "ladies of wallstreet" consisting of the barristas and hooters waitresses ?
wao-ender: what I remember, she leads some groups, like ladies who codes and like that
pankkake: but does she code?
wao-ender: I had it on radar like in september or so, but I'm not that social-freak
mircea_popescu: "leads groups" derp
wao-ender: well
wao-ender: yeah, taking social credit for that
mircea_popescu: if you ask him, max keiser leads groups doing bitcoin stuff.
wao-ender: paying in followers on tweeters. "look what I've done"
mircea_popescu: is she a transsexual too ?
wao-ender: does she looks like that? I dont think so
wao-ender: but she acts like feminist for me
mircea_popescu: so basically a kate woods wannabe.
asciilifeform: who's woods?
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/the-stuple/
mircea_popescu: that thing.
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: (no mention of anyone called woods in that piece...?)
pankkake: http://trilema.com/2014/on-periphery-and-the-peripheral-ephemerides-are-also-mentioned/ perhaps
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's this craig woods character which became kate, and had been running all sorts of projects and whatnot
mircea_popescu: such as the one discussed there.
asciilifeform: wendy carlos.
mircea_popescu: very important leader of imaginary cavalries.
asciilifeform: (better example: lynne conway)
mircea_popescu: yes well, that'd be different
mircea_popescu: (l conway is actually quoted by name as the reason i can't quite declare transsexualism out of this world, in my article about transsexualism)
asciilifeform: interesting book on the subject - 'the man who would be queen'
asciilifeform: conway became the personal nemesis of the author ☟︎
asciilifeform: (whose name escapes me)
mircea_popescu: but i would propose there is a difference between the people who have a problem with their gender,
mircea_popescu: and the people who have a problem with their fame.