tmsr - Log 2019-12-12

BingoBoingo: To my knowledge the label "cow" only differs in its greater specifity of labeled thing

lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-12-11#1955061 << let me know how I can clarify on my part; I dun mind going into whatever details you need.

ericbot: Logged on 2019-12-11 22:09:54 dorion_road: With tmsr os, how much work to support the implicit clients isn't clear yet. I'm also not 100% clear on spyked, bvt and lobbes situation apart from gathering they've been consistently productive while working salary mines.

lobbes: In other plans, I'm aiming to take a more treacherous approach to coding the auto-bidding for auctionbot. I figure I can handle the majority sans-python, and instead simply leverage the postgres db it sits on (i.e. listen for insert into bid table, execute some postgres functions, spit results into outbox table, done). I'll make an article of what I come

mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-11#1955087 << let me be clear here : your dedication is endearing, but the problem isn't using python, per se. if i thought it were, i'd have said ; if an absolute ban on usage were warranted i wouldn't say things like http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-11#1955003

mp_en_viaje: i understand the ambiguity's innerving, and i understand the nude dedication behind "well, if it's bad, don't use it then".

mp_en_viaje: this is a naive point of view, of the same nature as "all politicians are dubious so i don't vote" or "i've yet to meet a pure hearted maiden thus i have no truck with girls".

ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-11 23:24:41 lobbes: In other plans, I'm aiming to take a more treacherous approach to coding the auto-bidding for auctionbot. I figure I can handle the majority sans-python, and instead simply leverage the postgres db it sits on (i.e. listen for insert into bid table, execute some postgres functions, spit results into outbox table, done). I'll mak

ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-11 13:08:26 mp_en_viaje: i dunno i support any particular action on the foregoing basis. but i also ain't gonna pass it in silence no mo.

mp_en_viaje: this ~purely imaginary~ purity is the very problem ; maintaining it while ditching python's specifically keeping the devil while burning the totem. ~the very expectation~ that the world works a certain way, "cleanly" in this manner, the hallucination that it's always okay to find fleas in cottage cheese and knots in the reeds is why all this is problematic to begin with.

mp_en_viaje: so how about instead of trying to shoehorn sql into supporting your idealism, you just "<a href=http://trilema.com/2016/poor-women/>bang python like a cheap whore</a>. use it, but ~don't expect~ it knows what to do with ifs ; give it tasks, but short and narrow, measurable and ~do not confide in it~. let it write against apache, not import its flask, let her do the dishes not invite her mother over to stay.

mp_en_viaje: use it like it's the enemy, if you will, because it is ; this doesn't reduce to "don't use it".

mp_en_viaje: this is the whole substance of that whole "old age and treachery" thing : that idealism (or platonism, or spherical chickenism, or w/e you call it) dun work irl. even if it appears to work in the mind.

mp_en_viaje: in general though, that's the overarching point, gotta separate usage and confidence as a required ingredient of maturation.

mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo_, in other lulz, if 1) trump gets impeached and then 2) trump gets elected does he then 3) get to run again, because impeached term dun count ? :D

mp_en_viaje: #ioniliescu

mp_en_viaje: #bogatdarfrumos

mp_en_viaje: http://trilema.com/2016/poor-women/#footnote_1_69667 << holy shit look what i found.

mp_en_viaje: "I never bothered to review Love Liza because it's a shitty movie ; nevertheless shitty as it was it'd have provided an anchor for today's reference. The reason I write down this note is precisely to underscore as thickly as humanly possible this most important point : that you are in no position to judge what's not worth doing. Because the future is uncertain. It would have been worth doing, all 20 minutes it'd have taken me, so as to hav

mp_en_viaje: e what to link here ; if only I were to somehow know months ago when I decided not to that months later in a discussion of women I'd have liked to have the reference. Yet I couldn't have known such a thing. Neither can you. Ever. And so instead of spending those twenty mintues there I spent five writing this note and fifteen fishing through the internets trying to identify which fucking bad film it was in the first place."

mp_en_viaje: dorion, you about ?

mp_en_viaje: apparently it's "your dedication's endearing" day in the republic. anyways, my man mode d : i get it, you're a serious and dedicated fellow, and you mean to do right by this sudden and immense pile fallen one day upon your head. good!

mp_en_viaje: but it's massively overwhelming, you don't know what the fuck it even is or is supposed to be in plenty of angles ; so you yelp an' try to find some footing, and some purchase. which is cute.

mp_en_viaje: it stops being cute when you start driving yourself nuts with it. how in god's own reddish hells are you supposed to say, aforehand, what the qualifications for contributing are ? in the next two days, you're gonna produce that ? how ?

mp_en_viaje: does being an alien disqualify one from contributing ? "but mp, what are the odds an alien shows up" dude, how the fuck do i know ? how the fuck do you know ? why take the wrong sort of position on uncappable outcome ? are we protecting something here ? what is it ?

mp_en_viaje: let it be, you don't care. you needn't care. you should not care. carelessness is a legitimate management technique, because wovon [man nicht sprechen kann] is a legitimate philosophical stance.

mp_en_viaje: if, and look what a large if that is, you ever find yourself in the situation where there's two entities trying to solve the same problem and you absolutely must pick one, then you pick one. THEN. not fucking now, so far you're stuck with a trillion cubic miles of sky and like half a delta wing, they won't even ~meet~ unless you specifically direct them at each other.

mp_en_viaje: if a beach bum walks into an internet cafe in indochina, ramen bowl in one hand and a found copy of eat, pray, love in the other, makes himself a key on keybase and offers to write a better garbage collector for you, you... what do you do ?

mp_en_viaje: do you tell him to get a job ? do less drugs ? find some real shoes ? sure, why not. does that amount to "oh and also you're not qualified to help" ? why the fuck should you care enough to get yourself in people's way ? let them be, it's their life. he'll write it or not, defend it or not, it'll get accepted or not, used or not, which part of this is your problem ?

mp_en_viaje: maybe the dude asks you a question. then you answer it. that's what you do. you don't go chasing about the street with pre-answers to questions nobody's asked yet ; if the guy asks whether he's qualified he probably isn't, which is not the end of the world, you're not qualified either. what the fuck qualification exam did i pass, per accidens & pro tempore's not a collegiate degree. this isn't homogenochina we're trying to reproduce here,

mp_en_viaje: nobody even fucking knows how an os is made in the first place for the simple self-obvious reason nobody fucking made one yet. it's not farming. it's not anything like farming. i don't even know what the fuck it's like, maybe we live to figure it out, but so far we just have some good classes of what it can't be like is all.

mp_en_viaje: the first imperative of management is "don't get in people's way". like the doctor's "firstly, don't harm", exactly. fail everything else but hold that up, you'll be a fine manager ; fuck that up nothing else you do can bring you above water.

mp_en_viaje: there's some humongo tasks around here because nobody gives so much of a shit how big it is, if it has to be done. but IF. if. if it HAS TO BE done, then yes. not otherwise, the converse doesn't work, just because something's a humongous pile of comparable humongocity doesn't make it a republican task -- the criteria's the has to be done.

mp_en_viaje: various things are relegated to a large warehouse of "nfi, we'll figure it out later" because they appear unmistakably humongous, and we're not so well satisfied they actually have to be done. so they wait -- this is what time does, if nothing else : it'll always resolve the "did it have to be done ?" quandary.

mp_en_viaje: so, good news, you don't have to answer whether aliens may join or not, forget about it.

mp_en_viaje: contrariwise, items 2 and 3 on that same list are quite needed ; 2 needn't be even usable as such, its importance is in getting that tree going, even if not one line of a genesis survives it in the final press nevertheless the tree wouldn't have existed without ; 3 is definitely the sort of key element we've been sorely neglecting to date.

mp_en_viaje: now go forth an' stop burying the ledes, ye hear.

dorion_road: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-12#1955110 << I'm thinking to keep it simple along the lines of : 1) register a key, 2) install a V, 3) maintain a blog where you : a) maintain a code shelf , b) publlish your work plans , c) publish articles for context on your vpatches, 4) maintain an irc connection to converse with people (point out '6 months' reading the log is recommended for

ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-12 05:20:58 mp_en_viaje: it stops being cute when you start driving yourself nuts with it. how in god's own reddish hells are you supposed to say, aforehand, what the qualifications for contributing are ? in the next two days, you're gonna produce that ? how ?

dorion_road: do what interests you, what you think is important, do it well, talk with people.

dorion_road: linking in extensive examples of established republican practices ; point out how there is no central code repository and version control system or even website, etc.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-12 05:49:54 mp_en_viaje: contrariwise, items 2 and 3 on that same list are quite needed ; 2 needn't be even usable as such, its importance is in getting that tree going, even if not one line of a genesis survives it in the final press nevertheless the tree wouldn't have existed without ; 3 is definitely the sort of key element we've been sorely neglecting to date.

BingoBoingo: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-12#1955099 << Well the 22nd amendment to the Consitution does give a 10 year total limit to presidenting, but... Insane common law jurisdiction where everything is made up as they go while further burdened by the weight of all English history to boot. Not out of the realm of possibility impeachment could be taken as nullifying his first term.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-12 04:02:12 mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo_, in other lulz, if 1) trump gets impeached and then 2) trump gets elected does he then 3) get to run again, because impeached term dun count ? :D

BingoBoingo: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-12#1955124 << You can probably call that "requirements" or "how to contribute" but the label "qualifications" seems like a poor match for describing those active processes.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-12 09:36:02 dorion_road: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-12#1955110 << I'm thinking to keep it simple along the lines of : 1) register a key, 2) install a V, 3) maintain a blog where you : a) maintain a code shelf , b) publlish your work plans , c) publish articles for context on your vpatches, 4) maintain an irc connection to converse with people (point out '6 months' reading the log is recommended for

BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: In the very lulzy leaving a mess on the way out files: The "Banco Republica" has lines around their main branch composed of local old retired and pensioned derps applying for "un Prestamo de tus sueños"

dorion_road: BingoBoingo, thanks, perhaps qualification isn't the best word. I did include "best practices" in there and meant qualification in the necessary precondition sense ; had in mind the mpex listing process.

mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-12#1955128 << i suppose a very defensively limited item like that may well work, why not.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-12 09:36:53 dorion_road: linking in extensive examples of established republican practices ; point out how there is no central code repository and version control system or even website, etc.

mp_en_viaje: i guess maybe i misread what you were saying. anyways.

mp_en_viaje: call it "how to contribute effectually, the guide" or something, "qualification"'s not the word there.

diana_coman: dorion_road: you switched from guidelines/expectations to qualifications and best practices and they are not the same thing.

mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-12#1955138 << pretty fucking sad.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-12 12:33:53 BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: In the very lulzy leaving a mess on the way out files: The "Banco Republica" has lines around their main branch composed of local old retired and pensioned derps applying for "un Prestamo de tus sueños"

BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: The saddest part is that "un Prestamo de tus sueños" is exactly what they are marketing it as.

BingoBoingo: What dreams do the 75+ set have that a loan enables rather than destroys? Probably a couple extra kilos of Asado de tira before they pass and the bank takes the house out from under the kids and grandkids who've not lived anywhere else.

mp_en_viaje: aand in other participatory democracy news, i just spent an hour or so in the jacuzzi / saunas etcetera. upon leaving, i confiscated the girls' bathing suits

mp_en_viaje: so now there's a table of sluts in the restaurant donning naught but their robes.

mp_en_viaje: how they're gonna pay for it is anyone's guess ; though maybe i get there in time. IF THE LOGS ARENT TOO THICK!!!

mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, imho, the old guys getting a steak and their kids and grandkids getting thrown out into the street is minimal justice in south america. in fact, i'd much prefer they were handled by albigensian crusade 2, kicked ~out of town~ not merely in the street ; and literally nude.

mp_en_viaje: the socialism pipedream gotta be confronted at some point.

BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: Just got back from getting my hair cut by the fossil who owns the joint. Probably my best haircut ever. Intense experience as the fellow with a resting parkisons tremor made copious use of the straight razor.

BingoBoingo: Holy shit my standard expections of the Uruguayos up to today grossly underestimated the fall from what was.

BingoBoingo: And the haircut was the same ~10 bucks as always. I suspect the problem is... the Cathars were purged by the Church for Church reasons when they should have been squashed by the crown for being tards.

mp_en_viaje: no, they were quashed by the crown for being tards. the problem is that was 1200, by 1400 they re-appeared, called "protestants" this time, and they weren't quashed that time.

ossabot: Logged on 2018-01-28 00:58:37 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in other chicks can code moments, "I earned my degree and license in cosmetology and had a horrible career as a hair dresser that I ended in 2015 due to social anxiety. I still love hair theory, and I even really enjoy working on people with whom I share a close relationship, but now I'm in pursuit of a new path."

mp_en_viaje: i expect not.

BingoBoingo: diana_coman: Not a single action on his part suggested anything informed by theory. Strict application of method as informed by practice.

diana_coman: what can I say, I'll end up again with very-long-hair out of hating women's haircutters, lolz.

mp_en_viaje: gotta find a gay dude.

diana_coman: I tend to stress them out by taking a book with me, but I still resent-the-fucking-time-it-takes.

mp_en_viaje: so go to one of those nails-and-hair spa things, get mutliple rabbits in the same half hour

mp_en_viaje: bangs, acrylics & buttplugs!

BingoBoingo: It was hard for me to think much about the time this one took. Was too busy reminding myself Parkinsons is a resting tremor as the dude used a straight razor and comb instead of scissors.

mp_en_viaje: in other news, how the fuck uk laboratory party can still lose seats ? the "conservative" / lulzparty got like 70% of the seats and it's still gonna pick up 50 ?

BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: It seems the Tories have enough of a fracture within their ranks that there's a Torry for most every Labor voter to prefer.