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a111: Logged on 2018-07-20 15:04 a111: Logged on 2014-11-15 00:28 asciilifeform: one would read instructions. another, turn a wrench, whatever. third would check that 2 corresponds to 1. then, all three sign under that step in recipe.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-20#1836681 << was rereading this vintage thread; funnily enough , early pre-vtronics discussion ☝︎
trinque: will have to see wtf when I get a sec
lobbesbot: trinque: Sent 1 day, 3 hours, and 3 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> possible bug in wot display ( https://archive.is/3Z7ZW , scroll to bottom )
trinque: last timestamps on the files are from earlier today.
mircea_popescu: trinque listen, the usefulness of that thing is significantly hampered by mounting inaccuracy like this. can it be made to be <daily ?
mircea_popescu: looking at my own, it's definitely more than a day, seeing how eg http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-14#1834548 is not reflected, and week+ old. ☝︎
mod6: Well, with that removal, shinohai is clear, and may become a customer if he so desires. :] ☟︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the wot graph etc is ~daily.
asciilifeform: hey trinque , which table of these is actually realtime ?
mod6: Oh maybe the deedbot webpage isn't up to date. Lemme check the rep link above.
mircea_popescu: http://wot.deedbot.org/260fa57bce677a5c04bf60ba4a75883cc1b1d34c.html << there it is.
asciilifeform: mod6: look in the actual wot -- dun seem like there's a current rating from lobbes at all
mod6: Mocky: Like he said, I think he's got another arrangement paid up. But there is the other question of the -2 from lobbes. And there was a rule we put in place a while ago, whereby if a TMSR Lord had neg-rated you, you couldn't become a customer.
mircea_popescu: mod6 no - there, am i blind ?
deedbot: asciilifeform rated shinohai 3 at 2018/01/24 23:16:20 << heathendom newsdesk; pogotronics, trb, FG experimenter
Mocky: mod6, why not customer today?
asciilifeform: shinohai: loads nao; looks like intermittent thing
lobbesbot: shinohai: Sent 1 day, 0 hours, and 54 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-19#1836359 << ?? plox to comment.
mircea_popescu: one could say "but mp, you've not explained the manner in which antibiotics and xtianity interract", which seems like an argument until you stop to realise the mechanism of action of fucking paracetamol is not yet understood either.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman for the record, i count this in confirmation. if we look at plots-over-time, the introduction of antibiotics limited severely but not completely eliminated both afflictions.
mircea_popescu: lol. but this aside, it is true that the alternate hypothesis is simply "complexity drives the shattering by itself".
diana_coman: antibiotic as cure too, might be, lol
mircea_popescu: pretty much in any one definite aspect you pick, christianity is more likely to resemble syphilis than any other thing.
mircea_popescu: the similarities far surpass the differences.
mircea_popescu: transmitted chiefly through sex, right ? seemingly "healthy" right ? lengthy history of "cures", brought upon us by the french for the orient... take your pick.
mircea_popescu can't look at the monstrous gummatous heads on display at teh musée de l'homme and not thing "look! christians!"
mircea_popescu: hard to miss the similarity between one treponema pallidum and another. yes that's the corckscrew it used to destroy tissue.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, sin is a term for "arbitrarily defined wrongs that aren't".
diana_coman: funnily enough I was thinking precisely of that mapping: the "it's wrong but I did it" ~= "sin"
mircea_popescu: anyway, i fully blame christianity for this particular disaster. the introduction of "sin", ie, "things that are right and you do but arbitrarily called wrong" is what created the crease in the human psyche, ripe then for the reversion of modernity, bureaucracy's own "i know it's wrong, and yet i do it".
mircea_popescu: to no ancient mind that i know of, this "i know it's wrong, and yet i do it" fundamental of bureaucracy was anything but xenon, of a sort beyond insanity.
mircea_popescu: not even diogenes, as vitriolic as he was throughout, attacks ~this~ particular point.
mircea_popescu: well ok, if you prefer, "the modernity contribution to humanity is to produce shattered knowers" ?
diana_coman: hence my "lying to themselves"
diana_coman: he "knows" rather than knows
mircea_popescu: this is such a central part of classical discourse on ethics, and it perdures so undisturbed any serious criticism, that...
a111: Logged on 2018-07-20 15:14 mircea_popescu: this is definitely the contribution of modernity to the human bestiary, items who know plain well they're doing the wrong thing and proceed nevertheless. such a wonder'd be incomprehensible to say aristotle.
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-20#1836702 -> hm, what, people didn't use to lie to themselves that well or what? I rather suspect it's simply that they don't leave any trace/interest over that much time ☝︎
mircea_popescu: anyway, hurting people who misbehave in face of "unexpected" (or, even more cheekily, "undesirable") experimental results is definitely a prime directive. because if you don't do it, you'll end up being friends with them, and being friends with them is going to ruin you for experimental work. cue that whole "liars can't be scientists" discussion here.
mircea_popescu: mod6 i expect i might too. nfi.
mircea_popescu: anyway, he could have handled it a lot better, but it's one of those "girl come out of a whore dynasty and who spent most of her days on porn set even since she was 5 could've handled her dress coming off at the wedding party better". sure, she could've, if anyone had as much as told her that not all parties consist of her taking all available cocks in all available holes.
mircea_popescu: and it is a fundamental problem, yes. the idea that impossibility is a legitimate secret is fundamental to the whole construction. not here and there, but quite universally and to laughable extents.
asciilifeform: it's exactly same, afaik, diff is that they got the printing press
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno how much time you spent in boardrooms of "blue chip" usg "companies", but this is ~99.9x% of the fare.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, but there's a tradition of petty characters taking poorly to "unexpected" (or, even more cheekily, "undesirable") experimental results.
asciilifeform: i can picture this. it beggars belief tho, because ' mp: d00d, yer tanker has no bottom ' ' tat: but i want to sail!! ' 'mp : sail by yerself then '
mircea_popescu: and then he just couldn't cope, because items like "there's no need for private consultation once thermodynamics makes the purpose illegitimate" is just not something he ever encountered or can deal with.
mircea_popescu: i believe he just couldn't cope, because a) "this dude supported MY IDEA!!!! and then withdrew without ~private~ consultation" and b) this dude SPOKE OUT as to the flaws of item. both of these barbaric acts contradicted his expectations (because ustards #1 contribution to the "value add" of any "company" or "project" they're involved with is hiding its flaws from the public)
asciilifeform: that was a quite serious experimental result. d00d oughta have taken it as honour to have helped produce it
mircea_popescu: ie, i think the item was dood's idea, i supported it (ie, with money), then when it became obvious there can't be such a thing as "altcoin" i stopped supporting it and plainly said so (and why).
mircea_popescu: mod6 nah, there was something else, i suspect rather http://trilema.com/2014/the-woes-of-altcoin-or-why-there-is-no-such-thing-as-cryptocurrencies/
a111: Logged on 2018-06-14 18:51 asciilifeform: trinque: in trips down lulzmemorylane, asciilifeform blew a good % of 2011 on halfcocked attempt to get miner going on surplus-usg boards with xilinx fpgas (in varying conditions of mutilation)
asciilifeform: ( prior to that was http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-14#1825518 and entirely uninterested in dealing with 'btc komyooniti' in any shape whatsoever ) ☝︎
mod6: As long ago as S.WOL closed, the Foundation was started up the same month.
asciilifeform was partially tuned in , but barfed, in those days, hence the http://www.loper-os.org/?p=939 item etc
mircea_popescu: i expect as the empire loses any hope of "oh, mp doesn't matter, we got ethereum" we'll be coming right back to that, "consensus" stuff.
mircea_popescu: lol recall the good old days of 2012, when a "different" confederacy of dunces was all herpaderp ?
mod6: where does the time go, eh?
mod6: jesus, that was in '14
asciilifeform: iirc that was when he dropped off the radar, fwiw.
mircea_popescu: oh you think ?!
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1740888 << aah there we go. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i have no idea, schmuck never had the decency to say.
mircea_popescu: not encountered in the classical world.
mircea_popescu: this is definitely the contribution of modernity to the human bestiary, items who know plain well they're doing the wrong thing and proceed nevertheless. such a wonder'd be incomprehensible to say aristotle. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: the workings of the stupid brain. he EVIDENTLY KNOWS what he's doing wrong, and why and wherefore. necessarily, or else what, it's all an accident ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc thread was about TaT et al making brief comeback to kako chan
mircea_popescu: o wait, meanwhile scrolled up enough ; this is the very dragon day, isn't it.
a111: Logged on 2016-03-28 15:29 phf: guy come strutting after his opponent leaves and starts talking tough? i don't know him, but that just spells loser
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-28#1440750 << trying to read this old log and it makes no fucking sense whatsoever ?! opponent, what ?! ☝︎
mircea_popescu: in the end, making hardware registers is cheap enough...
asciilifeform: it simply happens that asciilifeform prioritized nics over vga
mircea_popescu: that is that ; this was linux system binaryism.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-20 14:34 mircea_popescu: if we're lucky enough it could simply be a "because nobody could be arsed to make it properly before, but could simply be replaced with source"
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-20#1836677 << coupla yrs back asciilifeform was able to guess the internal arch and disasm some of that nic init crapola. it's completely meaningless without somehow reversing the die -- consists of coupla thousand writes to hardware regs of unknown function. i suspect that this is entirely typical. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: to which a cripple by the sidelines is quick to add "besides, it's not true they don't work in any absolute, objective sense. if everyone used wooden muskets they'd work out in the end just as good as now..."
a111: Logged on 2017-03-23 16:33 asciilifeform: GB nics have 2 parts, that are electrically independent and often made by separate firms, the 'mac' and 'phy' (the latter is what actually drives the transformer, the former -- what you/os think of as 'the nic')
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-20#1836675 << it's similar to the situation with the GB nics ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-23#1631811 thread ) -- the opentards write driver which includes half a meg of .h hexolade, 'initializations', lifted from the vendor turd, and somehow this still is considered 'open' ☝︎☝︎
mircea_popescu: "why would you want to fight with a wooden musket ?" "THEY ARE CHEAPER TO MAKE!" "they also don't work ?" "nevertheless!"
a111: Logged on 2014-11-15 00:28 asciilifeform: one would read instructions. another, turn a wrench, whatever. third would check that 2 corresponds to 1. then, all three sign under that step in recipe. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: this cult of the holy subtitution, you know ? "we'll replace 30mn germans with 100mn russians, through a whole lotta http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-15#922644 ; it's true they're not very good, but they can fight acceptably even with wooden musket!" ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-20 14:21 mircea_popescu: but the fundamental failure imported via http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-24#1818281 leads to this sad situation where asciilifeform , product of said wood as he deems himself, is sitting with idiots all day playing their idiocy games, so as to be able to work at making small faberge eggs with me at night, informally an' under the covers. why the fuck is not asciilifeform working on really great faberge eggs in the tzar's own p
mircea_popescu: if we're lucky enough it could simply be a "because nobody could be arsed to make it properly before, but could simply be replaced with source" ☟︎
jurov: all opensource drivers depend on the "sys-kernel/linux-firmware" package too
a111: Logged on 2018-07-20 13:11 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-20#1836595 << the vga bios ?? it's, what, 80kB, and runs on boot strictly, you can disasm it ( e.g. see that it dun install oddball smm handlers etc ) , problem is that the work ain't worth much for any 3d card known to me, because still demands multi-MB kernel bincrapola
jurov: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-20#1836599 yes i meant that kernel bincrapola ☝︎
mircea_popescu: they shot the wrong part of the tzar, of course. as per ye olde, ye eternally olde and never going anywhere http://trilema.com/2015/the-rabbi-and-the-ewe/#selection-39.437-39.522
a111: Logged on 2018-05-24 18:22 asciilifeform: ( recall mao's, when asked 'was french rev a good idea' 'too soon to say' )
mircea_popescu: but the fundamental failure imported via http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-24#1818281 leads to this sad situation where asciilifeform , product of said wood as he deems himself, is sitting with idiots all day playing their idiocy games, so as to be able to work at making small faberge eggs with me at night, informally an' under the covers. why the fuck is not asciilifeform working on really great faberge eggs in the tzar's own p ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: i'm sure he meant well and he tried hard and all that, heck, reduced the peasantry something fierce.
mircea_popescu: i'm not impugning either the man or his work product. yes, through stalin "russian" became a thing to be, much like through hammurabi or david or whatever prior etc.
asciilifeform: observe, stalin sent a good 1 in 4 of 'brave boys' to go an' cut wood, dig for uranium. so bought his project another 50y.
asciilifeform: ? And so traditional culture gave way to consumerist culture, proper meals became bags of chips and bottles of pop not for any other reason than the satisfying tearing sound, that fschhhh of a bottle that's never again going to be a bottle ever again, and here we are'
asciilifeform: 'It's really very much a thing, and the collapse of traditional society, with its reusable houses intended for multiple generations, populated with cast iron pots capable of making many thousands of meals and solid oak tables to be slowly ground into cleanliness each week eerily reflects the return of agitated young males from the battlefields of World War Two. Who's going to tell "our brave boys" that they can't have what they want
asciilifeform: soon as they sat down on the 'comfort' train, as described in http://trilema.com/2016/mochila-o-muerte/#selection-103.0-103.437 , it was done deal.
mircea_popescu: and indeed it works splendidly, i can't remember the last time anyone noteworthy was born in our colonies.
asciilifeform: bonsaikittenization via 'comfort' is well-understood process, it killed erry empire to date.
mircea_popescu: thence "human rights" aka nobody HAS TO ever do anything ; and "caring for the environment" ie nobody can use anything external for any purpose ; and "raising awareness" ie "isn't your bellybutton lint fascinating!!" and so fucking on.
mircea_popescu: "how to ensure a future for our children ?" "by elaborately doing nothing with all we've got all day long!" "but... why ?!" "because then they'll be perfectly able to do exactly what we're doing in turn, and the doing something will maybe be forgotten!"