asciilifeform: peculiarly, not updated since '15

asciilifeform: i.e. ROSATOM.

asciilifeform: ектростанций.'

asciilifeform: еское управление (СКТУ), занимающееся разработкой приборов технологического контроля, аварийной защиты, технических средств и автоматизированных систем управления, электроснабжения предприятий разделительных производств и атомных эл

asciilifeform: ^ ООО «Уралприбор» -- 'Общество с ограниченной ответственностью "Новоуральский приборный завод" - многопрофильное предприятие с мощным производственным и кадровым потенциалом. В составе завода есть Специальное конструкторско-технологич

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-09#1680895 << funnily enough i no longer have a single pair of boxes that share same ram stick type.. ☝︎

asciilifeform: not that the current 'standardized memory' wintel crapolade is so hot.

asciilifeform: ( the other detail, of course, is that the idea of standardization went along with a distinct odor of 'lion and lamb sit down to agree on dinner' in those days . or consider microshit-led 'opendocument committee' etc in more recent times. )

asciilifeform: (for 'serialization' specifically)

asciilifeform: BUT above may explain the lack of 'standardization enthusiasm' in those days.

asciilifeform: naturally you can still stuff these down a wire. and the box, of course, did so ( to disk, tape, 'chaosnet', etc.)

asciilifeform: but rather, e.g., bolix 36bit word had 4 type bits, that actually change what the contents mean ( and can create transparent 'wormholes' to elsewhere in memory, for hardware gc) and hence not actually meaningful on iron that doesn't have same mechanism

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-08#1680868 << recall that the variation was not as simple as 'this one here has 8bit byte but this one - 11, but each one simply represents a 2**n-1 range of uint' ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-09#1680872 << amusingly enough, these links ~all either 404 or lead to shithub ☝︎

asciilifeform: ( and probably could not be in the standard, such things as, e.g., width of the machine word, were not universal constants )

asciilifeform: trinque: iirc this is one of the things the symbolics folx had to make a proprietary gadget for, because it is nowhere in the standard

asciilifeform: i thought 'rap' lyrics were officially required to come out of a certified an'sealed shannonizer, like las vegas one armed bandit rng

asciilifeform: lol looks like a python who tried to eat two golf balls

asciilifeform: ( of ~non-idiomaticidiotic~ clean shaven knuthola, say, even. )

asciilifeform: ( and i dun even claim a magical handle on all that is possible. for all i know, next d00d will turn my 2.5k into 250. somehow. )

asciilifeform: the sheer gap between what is extant and what is possible - is, i suspect, unfathomable to the uninitiated and the weak of heart.

asciilifeform: ( when thin enough -- released. even if a little slow. because i want folx to begin to grasp. )

asciilifeform: 'p' currently is ~2.5k of ada. and getting thinner.

asciilifeform: i just counted gpg 1.4.10 : 156,436 loc -- and that ain't counting the autoconf liquishit, or the libs it pulls in ☟︎☟︎☟︎

asciilifeform: etc.

asciilifeform: and 0 pointers

asciilifeform: and not only 'fewer lines' but 0 of overflowlang

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-08#1680575 << ffa is graphical demonstration that this is so ☝︎

asciilifeform: aha!

asciilifeform: ( for instance, i go and run on a crapple , with slower clock but larger l1, and get 1/7th the interval spent )

asciilifeform: but today when asciilifeform goes and , e.g., http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-19#1659220 , the measurement is only useful standing next to similar from same box ☝︎

asciilifeform: FG is manufactured, incidentally, to this tolerance

asciilifeform: in the days of, e.g., commodore64, with 100 mil people having SAME pcb, within 5% tolerance of crystals -- time measurements were immediately meaningful.

asciilifeform: i.e. when asciilifeform measures his $proggy runs, he is measuring at the same time a possibly unreproducible combo of ssd+ram+cpu+...

asciilifeform: incidentally i regularly go looking for 'performance numbers' for various , and it is very frustrating, largely from the ~total nonexistence of anything like standardized hardware setup

asciilifeform: i suspect that fellating hogs is better use of time than speaking to djb et al

asciilifeform: imho some of the greatest discoveries were precisely of the 'this is a dead end, don't burn your life on this' type.

asciilifeform: there is the use of time, of which king and slave alike has finite qty. but i can only suggest to folx, how to use it. if they want to build perpetuum mobile to 'measure whether possible' -- or trisect angle -- let'em

asciilifeform: imho best use of measurement, is to measure unknowns. rather than to try to determine, with ruler, how many degrees a triangle's internals add up to.

asciilifeform: i'm already on record as having described, in agonizing detail, why it is a monumental waste of time, but if mircea_popescu et al not convinced -- welcome to 'piss on electric fence'

asciilifeform: reiser is afaik the undisputed champ, if somebody still wants to experiment with classical fs.

asciilifeform: ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-20#1629439 << yet other thread re subj. ) ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-15#1627811 << mine or the classic fsen ? ☝︎

asciilifeform: ^ where powerrangers immediately took what they could find in the l0gz and tried to use, like the savage finds the flashlight

asciilifeform: ( related lullies : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-08#1640488 ) ☝︎

asciilifeform: fter rsa

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-08#1680565 << it stalled at the discovery that 1) performance is abysmal 2) for wholly fundamental reasons ( of shit-poor rewritable data structures forced by 'generic fs' shape ) 3) all extant fs would have to be patched regardless to remove idiot node caps, and may as well write proper db from scratch that is bitcoin-shaped 5) asciilifeform then wrote the latter, in ada, and put on shelf, to pick up a ☝︎

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: tru!!

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: ( dare i presume that you want the englisch )

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: https://www.sefaria.org

asciilifeform not dedicated aficionado, ben_vulpes will have to dig for himself

asciilifeform: iirc there are ports to various pocket comp

asciilifeform: no, thing with concordance, search, multi-lang thing, etc

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: there's an ipnoje version etc.

asciilifeform: ( or less than his muscle could lift, take your pick )

asciilifeform: iirc everyone who offered to do the job, found that it was far 'more than could chew'

asciilifeform: mod6: aha, didn't think so

asciilifeform: ( ~wholly unsorted and highly self-referential item )

asciilifeform: shares some of the very same sharp edges

asciilifeform: notrly

asciilifeform: i went and got hold of an actual talmud, to compare.

asciilifeform: iirc it was pete_dushenski who compared to talmud.

asciilifeform: somewhere, deep in the l0gz.

asciilifeform: ( and again, but WHERE were the others..! )

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: you could write an entire mega-essay re subj, they are legion

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: gotta love these

asciilifeform: i'll go ' this one time mircea_popescu and asciilifeform had mega-dispute about planar tilings, where was it... or did i dream it ' and 6 hrs later..

asciilifeform: mod6: i was speaking of vintage logs, rather than backlog

asciilifeform: ( switches off the retardation )

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: hexdump -v -C

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-08#1680538 << there are times when i spend a whole day only reading the l0gz... ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-08#1680532 << at one time we had a fella ( pete_dushenski ? ) embark on a 'major life and times of the l0g' thing. what became of this ? ☝︎☟︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-08#1680530 << i actually attempted this , a coupla yrs ago, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=284 ☝︎

asciilifeform: (term of art!11)

asciilifeform: asciilifeform to pet : 'looksy here, they're meangurlzing'

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ikr? i was having tea and saw l0gz and 'wtf'

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-08#1680517 << this is quite a bit moar 'mean gurlz' than actually in play, phf. i dun give anything like the suggested amount of fuck. the educable - learn, the rest - will learn by pissing on the electric fence personally; or, when far too late, already having 'fucked the cousin' etc. ☝︎

asciilifeform: ( and iirc i already explained this in agonizingly pedantic detail. but apparently the requisite lines in the l0gz are magically invisible..? or wut )

asciilifeform: and partly in that i find the 'prototype' that solves 0 of the difficult problems, simply not interesting. i can write a perlism that pushes shitrsa packets over tcp etc. in half hour. but why.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-08#1680511 << partly it is that i'd like to do a fair share of keeping the snr high, by... ~not having same thread 9000 times~, see if perhaps the l0gz will do their bit and answer ' what does asciilifeform say to X ? ' q for those folx who have it ☝︎

asciilifeform: which reminds me... brb

asciilifeform: unless mircea_popescu has a very odd, martian meat comp

asciilifeform: not gurl wtfomfg

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the only accurate , useful model, is 'player piano'

asciilifeform assumed 'code base' meant something mechanised

asciilifeform: aah ah

asciilifeform: waitasec, what previous codebase

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is possible to form a realistic mental model, of computer per se. but far less so of 'optimizing' claptrap.

asciilifeform: the urbit thing was a cartoon-coloured extreme illustration of this.

asciilifeform: point being that there is an element of implicit lie, in the concept of the compiler.

asciilifeform: but rather direct writes

asciilifeform: y'mean ~not~ int21

asciilifeform: compilers for braindamaged archs ( i.e. all extant archs ) are rather 'socialism' flavoured, in that you're stuck forcing 'unprincipled exceptions' (inline asm) if you want to use anything close to the iron's full capacity

asciilifeform: recall http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-21#1673190 ? ☝︎

asciilifeform: phf: is the only one i know of, yes

asciilifeform: is mel is the fella from the old poem, who 'we buried him face down, nine-edge first' ?

asciilifeform: ( see also my old http://www.loper-os.org/?p=46 )

asciilifeform: if an optimizing compiler is possible for your machine or lang, one, the other, or likely both, are broken.

asciilifeform: no 'db lib' for the most part, was inconceivable waste

asciilifeform: i suspect that the culprit is cheap cpu cycles. in msdos age, ~every proggy read/wrote wholly custom datastructures from/to disk