asciilifeform: and what else.

asciilifeform: dun forget, generals also

asciilifeform: aha!!

asciilifeform: or maybe i read it in ro, i faghet

asciilifeform: the one where 'come to moma's cunt ir we'll give yer wife anabortion every day'

asciilifeform: iirc you did translate

asciilifeform: and as always reader is presumed to count

asciilifeform: aha, for whom else

asciilifeform: snoaromatic

asciilifeform: 'nail that sticks up is hammered down' or how it went.

asciilifeform: http://www.returnofkings.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/influence-vs-enemy1.jpg << summary

asciilifeform: ( the 'influence' thing )

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: that was a riotously terrifyingly stupid piece...

asciilifeform: lol

asciilifeform: r0nin-: ok

asciilifeform: r0nin-: dun go away, i'ma make a mirror just for ya

asciilifeform: betcha you played wolfenstein without the swasticas , with green blood, too..

asciilifeform: r0nin-: out of curiosity, where ? china ?

asciilifeform: evidently!

asciilifeform: aite.

asciilifeform: r0nin-: consider making a key?

asciilifeform: r0nin-: would you like to become.. a somebody?

asciilifeform: who might you be, r0nin- ?

asciilifeform: of course, arguably if you can actually DO this, you will probably lose interest in the mphf method per se

asciilifeform: ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-04#1679049 was the other . ) ☝︎

asciilifeform: aha.

asciilifeform: ( as optimization )

asciilifeform: iirc i mentioned this to phf here.

asciilifeform: but instead flipping a single bit that gets xored with the result every time you read from the would-have-been-flipped reg. ☟︎

asciilifeform: by not actually doing the flip-whole-thing bit

asciilifeform: theoretically you can make it not.

asciilifeform: lolyes

asciilifeform: it sure does.

asciilifeform: and thereby any ~particular~ invocation, can be called bounded.

asciilifeform: was more of a philosophical observation : that mphf is not turing-complete ( in the same way 'p' is not. deliberately )

asciilifeform: and not 8999, and not 9001.

asciilifeform: and 9000 steps later, answer.

asciilifeform: why naturally you gave me a 9000 steps, and that's a, e.g., (TMSR!8192*3,50*9000)......

asciilifeform: (i.e. if you, yourself, already computed H(x), then you know how many turns of the crank it took. and can pass that number along.)

asciilifeform: i dun see how not.

asciilifeform: if it always terminates, then yes

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-06#1679487 << thread, iirc ☝︎

asciilifeform: didn't i derive a bounding function for it...

asciilifeform: oh hm waitasec

asciilifeform: hm.

asciilifeform: aha!

asciilifeform: correct.

asciilifeform: you know ~that one~'s time and space size.

asciilifeform: yes but after you've calculated one particular hash, it won't vary...

asciilifeform: bang, magic, fixed-time-and-space.

asciilifeform: ~after~ a mphf (or similar) hash is taken, the time and space required are known.

asciilifeform: this means that anything that can happen inside one, happens in fixed time and space

asciilifeform: P proggy specifies its time and space requirement , first thing

asciilifeform: consider :

asciilifeform: lol just when i thought up of a hypothetical way to save it!111

asciilifeform: O(1)

asciilifeform: it's just a buncha xors

asciilifeform: why not ?

asciilifeform: am i missing something?

asciilifeform: but i dun see how they can live together

asciilifeform: well either it, or the constant-spacetime. and i'm quite sold on keeping the latter.

asciilifeform: asciilifeform's ~whole argument is 'leave as much rsa a matter for pubkey maker as physically possible'

asciilifeform: sure

asciilifeform: but sure.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: was thinking of the aerial gun in ww1, before they figured out that the stuff on the nonbusiness end dun have to be same bullet, only same mass

asciilifeform: yes i can think of a contrieved situation that calls for one. but no i don't want it in the rack next to the ordinary ones.

asciilifeform: non-1-to-1 pubkey is as useful as pistol that fires from both ends.

asciilifeform: to nail down the unambiguous and concrete.

asciilifeform: whole point of cryptosig is not-this.

asciilifeform: for others, no.

asciilifeform: shitting where one stands is also 'how life goes'. for some.

asciilifeform: it's like asking for a 17 that can also be referred to as 3.

asciilifeform: and there is no escape.

asciilifeform: this is fundamentally bad idea imho.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-27#1590895 , and http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-09#1640824 discussions also. ☝︎☝︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-01#1664352 << see also thread ☝︎

asciilifeform: how about an unshat-in vase.

asciilifeform: i dun see this picture, where we GOTTA take a shit into this here fine vase, 'or empire will'

asciilifeform: if some d00d wants to go around saying 'my pubkey can also be referred to by the letter z' that's his life to lose.

asciilifeform: but in not-standardizing.

asciilifeform: see asciilifeform's earlier barf: not so interested in forbidding anything

asciilifeform: no hash --- no collision, floating around somewhere in phase space waiting to be found.

asciilifeform: no moar fingerprints. your key is your key.

asciilifeform: fingerprints are fundamentally retarded

asciilifeform: likewise we had the fingerprint thread ☟︎

asciilifeform: http://trilema.com/2017/tmsr-rsa-spec-extremely-early-draft/#comment-122644 << 1st nitpick!1111

asciilifeform: oh hey

asciilifeform: ( while also operable on by machine, to demonstrate that the arithmetic in fact comes out as stated )

asciilifeform: in that spirit, other thing asciilifeform aims for with 'p', is to zap the idiocy where pubkey was strictly an item for ~machine~ to read, and make it something primarily for ~man~ to read.

asciilifeform: the duty of the rsatron author is ~to get the fuck out of the way~

asciilifeform: it is a matter strictly between the fella generating the key, and his wot, not for the author of rsatron.

asciilifeform: if i specify a pubkey for myself with 65536-bit public mod, then other people can simply decide that i'm an arse and that verifying my sigs isn't actually +ev for them

asciilifeform: so he can never be surprised by 'd00d's modulus is Too Big!111omfg'

asciilifeform: this means that the reader (READER, long before executing) knows precisely how much time and space the proggy requires.

asciilifeform: p proggy opens up with the breathoflife preamble, e.g., (TMSR!8192*3,50*500) << 8192bit bus, 3 words of stack, 50 bytes of program following the closing ), 500 steps of execution max.

asciilifeform: and this yes means that asciilifeform holds caps on modulus width to be asinine

asciilifeform: and this also means as few 'magic numbers' as it is physically possible to get away with. ☟︎

asciilifeform: asciilifeform's intent with 'p' is to push in the direction of maximum barking anarchy re pubkeys. as it is we have too many 'standards' as it is, ~all of them ill-conceived and smelling of sulfur.

asciilifeform: which

asciilifeform: no moar 'we heathens have faster rsa because mother dropped us as babies and our rsatron does different work on different hamming weights'