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decimation: asciilifeform: well, I imagine that these 'security officers' were not highly trained physicists for one thing. which brings up the point - how does usg keep its secrets if its security officers are not smart enough to understand them?
decimation: usg doesn't allow its surplus computers which have touched anything sensitive to return to reality unharmed
decimation is depressed about usg beating the new new new iraq war drums
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: to usg, the only 'problem in bitcoin' is that it exists.
TheNewDeal: asciilifeform he's a usg scientist inasfar as he believes he knows the cures to all the problems in bitcoin, but in actuality, he only thoroughly understands what makes the USG machine so shitacular
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: wtf is a 'usg scientist' in this context? something akin to 'christian scientist' (TM) ?
TheNewDeal: ;;rate BlueMeanie4 1 usg scientist. may negrate soon
TheNewDeal: ;;rate BlueMeanie4 1 usg scientist
decimation: he seems less likely to be a tool of usg than others, but maybe that's what they want us to think..
asciilifeform: ;;rate BlueMeanie4 -1 usg muppet.
asciilifeform: decimation: no need for fuhrer's orders. plenty of usg viceroys, on various levels, are in a position to plunder coin. some will wake up and understand that this gives them a shot at living slightly longer - and do it.
asciilifeform: which brings us back to >> I suspect that the number of USG employees who understand money is too small to coordinate a mass bitcoin theft << does one need to understand the structure of Au atom to plunder gold coins ?
BingoBoingo: <decimation> I suspect that the number of USG employees who understand money is too small to coordinate a mass bitcoin theft << Even my FBI agent admitted holding some bitcoin... The Treasury agent though was silent on the matter
decimation: I suspect that the number of USG employees who understand money is too small to coordinate a mass bitcoin theft
asciilifeform did (along with probably everyone else) predict this turn. i.e. - usg separating as many coins as can be turned up from their owners, by whatever means can be brought to bear
BingoBoingo: bats_cd03> an early silk road entrepreneur living it up on southern california after exchanging btc for fiat; authorities spy, notice new camaro but no regular employment since 2010... questioned, gasenwagen, perhaps USG confiscates some coins along the way. everything is gravy, republic lives another day. << And I bless Jebus I am but a midwestern pauper
bats_cd03: an early silk road entrepreneur living it up on southern california after exchanging btc for fiat; authorities spy, notice new camaro but no regular employment since 2010... questioned, gasenwagen, perhaps USG confiscates some coins along the way. everything is gravy, republic lives another day.
bats_cd03: lol not an expert. anyway, i speculate: it could be a combination of due diligence combined with the USG trying to acquire as much btc as possible, theretofore held by citizens not entirely faithful to the fiat gods (e.g. tax evasion, other 'illegal' activities)
BingoBoingo: bats_cd03: Any thoughts on how the USG encounter I had, you're closest we have to an expert that I know of
mircea_popescu: BitMarmot usg press machine was a better nick. this bitblabla stuff is a cancer.
BitMarmot: I am also a USG_Press_Machine from time to time
BingoBoingo: Oh, the redditards come out from the USG vegetable garden http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2ekybn/a_law_enforcement_encounter_if_you_ran_a_bitcoin/ck0klt5
mircea_popescu: running it may be, maybe, sometime after the usg gets bored of taking half day rides to nowhere.
ben_vulpes: and what's the relationship to the usg at BingoBoingo's door?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if usg is walking 'the drunkard's walk', BingoBoingo is in some extraordinarily luck.
kakobrekla: usg nsa wifi?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, the process through which girls become wives and us citizens usg informants. << and who precisely did the wives piss off? their fathers?
asciilifeform: incidentally, usg proclaims that 'reagents' plus 'intent' is judged like X kg of final product. which usually sums to life-at-hard-labour.
decimation: as usual, usg is there to help http://cen.acs.org/articles/90/i35/US-Criminalizes-Designer-Drugs.html
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, the process through which girls become wives and us citizens usg informants.
kdomanski: mod6: when the usg falls I hope it's caches of chemical weapons are secure
mod6: when the usg falls, i'll be buyin!
HeySteve: novusordo from that link "Coinbase is an international digital wallet" - not truly int'l as nations sanctioned by USG are excluded
mircea_popescu: like, a "terrible company" clone for usg, especially the intel stuff...
mircea_popescu: http://www.fedsmith.com/2014/02/17/replacing-the-general-schedule-some-facts/ << stuff like this, incidentally, is subtly indicative of the usg failure. inasmuch as grand national-socialist schemes such as the gs are collapsing and being replaced, it's quite clear that in its quest to arrive at that "nobody can grow as much as a potato without asking for permission", the national-socialist government is moving away rat
mircea_popescu: if that goes away, the current usg-friendly columbia govt goes away.
mircea_popescu: now let's wonder why exactly is the usg dept of facebook able to spend 20bn on some random purchase of a valueless firm
mircea_popescu: decimation: mircea_popescu: minor nitpick - I don't think USG employees get dental actually << generally no, but afaik nsa folk do.
decimation: it's obvious that there's a segment of silicon valley circus that sees bitcoin as a way to exit from usg
decimation: re: gov't control: witness the usg attempting to "control" "guns"
decimation: re: usg rotting surveillance: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Force_Space_Surveillance_System
decimation: asciilifeform: usg opts to allow the russian navy to exist in international waters: http://freebeacon.com/national-security/pentagon-russian-spy-ship-tug-operating-near-u-s/
asciilifeform: interesting fact, i think we might have spoken of it before - usg claims extraterritorial jurisdiction over... all ships.
decimation: another amusing article on usg pay (with data) http://www.fedsmith.com/2014/02/17/replacing-the-general-schedule-some-facts/
decimation: part of the problem with usg employee wages is that congress has held them fixed for several years now I think
asciilifeform: perhaps from academics who escape from usg research houses to private firms
asciilifeform isn't sure where the notion of 'usg pays starvation wages' comes from.
decimation: kinda like you can only rent a miner for more than its expected bitcoin mining return, I suspect most 'employees' of usg work for less than a 'living wage'
decimation: if they work for less than a 'living wage', then they are essentially donating their life to usg
decimation: I suspect most actual work at usg is done by contractors anyway
decimation: seems like every piece of usg does things differently
decimation: my understanding is that usg pretends that 'contractors' are replacable parts, billable hours are based on 'years of experience and education'
decimation: mircea_popescu: minor nitpick - I don't think USG employees get dental actually: http://www.benefits.gov/benefits/benefit-details/4587 "Dental and Vision benefits are available to eligible Federal and Postal employees, retirees, and their eligible family members on an enrollee-pay-all basis."
pete_dushenski: and the seekrit skvirels are the usg ?
usagi: <+danielpbarron> Bitcoin is not about teaming up with the USG
danielpbarron: Bitcoin is not about teaming up with the USG
pete_dushenski: usg guns ablazin' !
BingoBoingo: !up usg_press_machin
usg_press_machin: Ha! Not necessarily a better one. But as BingoBoingo pointed out, USG shillery always better in person
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Doping your drink in London though might be the USG's one chance to try to rape you for a change
BingoBoingo: USG likes roofies?
mircea_popescu: !up usg_press_machin
mircea_popescu: (but it rests me at ease to hear from the usg_press_machine itself that crypto is no longer armament)
mircea_popescu: in short : your notion that sitting with the usg is safe and joining the rebels is dangerous is fundamentally broken. sitting with the usg is safe except if the rebels get the upper hand. ☟︎
usg_press_machin: mircea_popescu yes but I don't think paying taxes to the USG - no matter what the USG does - is Nuremberg material.
mircea_popescu: usg_press_machin but anyway, a secondary point to your " obeying the law and paying taxes?" is that if you happen to be obeying the "laws" of a terrorist organisation and giving it money, you may end up in hot water with a lot of people.
BingoBoingo: usg_press_machin: There's at least 800 different alternatives to your two presented options and there are 796 of those alternatives are compatible with at least one other option. GO! Math!
mircea_popescu: usg_press_machin if you read the logs, you've seen how well this entire "try and force mp into our preconceived headboxes" worked before.
mircea_popescu: !up usg_press_machin
mircea_popescu: <usg_press_machin> Surely it can't be that easy. << why not ?!
decimation: usg_press_machin: I assume you are dying to give us pro usg propaganda?
mircea_popescu: usg_press_machin just how often do you check them hits ?
ben_vulpes: i'm sure you follow, usg_press_machin
gribble: Nick 'usg_press_machin', with hostmask 'usg_press_machin!6b033f2c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.3.63.44', is not identified.
ben_vulpes: ;;ident usg_press_machin
ben_vulpes: who are you, usg_press_machin?
mircea_popescu: usg_press_machin i don't like you enough to pm. and no, not really. you can comment on it once it's done.
mircea_popescu: !up usg_press_machin
decimation: mircea_popescu: surely you do not mean these guys receive paychecks from usg. plenty of people shill in the hope that they can get scraps from the master's table
mircea_popescu: that's what teh boys got. how well bitcoin integrates (ie, how well some usg twerps nobody takles seriously have pretended to integrate with their puppet masters. herp.) and how unsovereign it is.
mircea_popescu: https://blog.caseykuhlman.com/entries/2014/bitcoin-somaliland.html << and the usg press machine is making serious efforts at creating a bunch of interlinked blogs to cover the discussion in astroturf.
mircea_popescu: justusranvier well the problem is... he couldn't have. this is like saying "usg could have fixed btc in 2010, saved a lot of 2014-16 headaches"
TheNewDeal: what's with all the usg hypothesis?
asciilifeform: (hypothesis, straight from My Arse (TM) : usg 'spent' S SR coins to buy kS 'clean' coin, for some positive k > 1. these were dripped into 'eth' and are now being dumped.)
pete_dushenski: basically, this is the usg's attempt to "kill" bitcoin
godovo: not letting usg "get in" for cheap is directly related to the size of the early holdings
mircea_popescu: que "i'm such a jerk, and history coming to bite one in the ass is so unfair, and what sort of usg democracy is this where responsibility exists!!1"
TomServo: Could someone fill in the blanks for me on how the connection between ninjashogun and usg was made? Sounds like an average scammer to me.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu> <decimation> this goes to my earlier point about a split in the Dem. party. it's not like the usg elite overlords act in their interest << markov chains have no self interest. << Vexual seems to
mircea_popescu: <decimation> this goes to my earlier point about a split in the Dem. party. it's not like the usg elite overlords act in their interest << markov chains have no self interest.
decimation: this goes to my earlier point about a split in the Dem. party. it's not like the usg elite overlords act in their interest
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform raytheon has been trying to prop up th emegahole in its balncesheet by selling a mini version to fed backed usg agencies.
decimation: apple: usg dept of shiny things
mircea_popescu: every dollar the usg extracts from anything costs it more than a dollar as a precondition of its continued existence.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform kinda why the credit bubble is required for usg : because all extraction only works if it costs more than it extracts
asciilifeform: at some point, one or more of the folks lowered into bitcherasty by usg will have a logical, adequate response.
mircea_popescu: Maj. Jeff Cotner of the crimes against persons division said the whole incident was surreal. “I’ve been here 32 1/2 years. This is bizarre,” he said. <<< dear usg worker, do yourself a favour, read http://trilema.com/2013/the-sops-or-what-might-you-expect-from-government-clerks/ today.
mircea_popescu: http://money.cnn.com/magazines/business2/business2_archive/2004/07/01/374834/ << for historical interest. this is how the party records looked back when the usg had few and marginal enemies, a solid grip on power, and people looked at the usgisation of places like intel as a Good Thing.
mircea_popescu: they are no major concern for the usg in either case, because man who hangs for a goat might as well hang for a goat and a chick
mircea_popescu: any usg affiliate or more likely, herpy q derp that looks like he may acquire any btc sum through any means will receive all the soft backing possible, from business insder news articles to an invitation to the fucking white house. anything whatsoever as long as it loks natural rather than spammy