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asciilifeform: chinese examtaker , or the '2030' people mircea_popescu linked, resemble 'fast comp but without rng'
mircea_popescu: certainly not smart enough to be read.
mircea_popescu: 90% of the time i try to read something, the attempt fails ; and almost always it is because the author is insulting my smarts, not my intelligence. they're all such intelligent men, from sf writers to hayek to what have you. the problem is that they're not smart. ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2015-07-08 19:34 ascii_field: far more interesting is the trait hasn eysenck called 'psychoticism'
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-07-08#1193607 << related, imho, thrd ☝︎
mircea_popescu: but this seems scarcely what's being discussed when one talks of "intelligence".
mircea_popescu: which i stand behind, ftr ; and it is also what informs the "if they had any sense -- they'd be here" stance. the fact that rando can't cut through fetlife to find the meat / can't cut through internet to find trilema / can't cut through femstate to find bitcoin / can't cut through pantsuitism to find republic etc specifically means that rando is dull, ie, not smart. ☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: and in fact the complaint wasn't "you're not telepathic enough to be here" in any sense, but quite specifically "after having been shown the bells and the whistles from different angles and being allowed some digestion time you ~still~ don't manage to recognize them, and therefore lack the fundamental ability required to participate in the affairs of humanity".
a111: Logged on 2018-06-19 16:55 mircea_popescu: douchebag looky, the place's not for you. you're not smart enough to be here. what's so hard to grok about this ? some people are smart, some people aren't smart, you're not smart. what, you have to be dragged out, your legs don't work, what is it ?
mircea_popescu: there ~certainly~ exists such a thing as "ability to see through bells and whistles", uniting with a strong red thread the 1800s definition of a man ( http://trilema.com/2013/a-very-unfair-perspective/#selection-31.205-31.374 ) and the 2000s definition of a man ( as say http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-19#1826859 ). ☝︎
mircea_popescu: Mocky i actually distinguish between smarts (the reductive ability, that powers "i suspect there's no such thing as intelligence", and typified perhaps best by d. kyon) and "intelligence" (the constructive ability, that powers "more loc, more tech, more future", and typified perhaps best by "fm-2030" ). ☟︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im not making either of those two strong statements. but it does seem to me that the reason you don't have a model is that you're trying to model somethingt that doesn't exist (not that the UNDERLYING PHENOMENA don't exist). much like people "didn't have a model" of earth-centric cosmos.
asciilifeform: Mocky: yes it's an imaginary object. q is whether 'imaginary like devils' or 'imaginary like electron cloud'. i favour the latter, mircea_popescu , i think, the former
deedbot: http://bimbo.club/?p=57 << Bimbo.Club - TMSR Log Summary - 10/16/2018
a111: Logged on 2018-10-18 17:08 mircea_popescu: intelligence is, imo, very much like the concept of "luck", or dreamlike causation : the retrofitted imaginary "cause", constructed retrospectively.
Mocky: I can see that view, but by evaluating it only education and experience, runs into the same >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-18#1863542 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-10-18 17:09 mircea_popescu: it's a thing like "prescience" or "telepathy" : only exists through the process that sufferer's more likely to notice sustaining examples than disproving examples.
Mocky: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-18#1863546 >> if this is true then "you're not smart enough be here" is as meaningful as "not telepathic enough" ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i obv dun have a reductive model, and dun know of any honest people who ever claimed to. but this is somewhat diff thing than 'to even try model is waste of time, it's rngolade'
mircea_popescu: (utri == upper respiratory tract infection", to help the future summarizers)
BingoBoingo: I'm coming back around to that position
a111: Logged on 2018-09-11 00:26 mircea_popescu: "i have this inorganic polymerization model which permits me to predict the behaviour of calcium-based matrices and also predicts that should you replace the calcium with strontium, the oxigen content cvadruples ans there's need for an item extra in there that's just like aluminum for so and so reasons"
mircea_popescu: kinda rehash of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-11#1849373 discussion, at that. ☝︎
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> in usa just walking through that door would be a $1000+ ding << For completeness, there was also the option to have a "radiodoctor" do a house call, but I figured the intel gathering opportunity on the hospital at a time when I'm a least several days removed for threat of mortality would be the higher return option
mircea_popescu: we have mechanical model for strength, and i can make predictions BEFORE the fact, and built entirely on measurements unrelated to "please lift this weight"
asciilifeform: same model as strength, agility. tho. where is strength before subj is asked to lift the weight.
mircea_popescu: the latter "cat" doesn't exist, and intelligence is of the same ilk.
mircea_popescu: there's a difference between "cat is there whether you look or not" and "we'll put a cat in some boxes you look into, let us know which"
asciilifeform: lol how would one conceive of establishing it without the training
mircea_popescu: but this is established after the training and not afore.
asciilifeform: some lions can be trained to play 'tetris', others, no matter how much stick and cookie, not, mircea_popescu of all people i expect would know this
mircea_popescu: it's a thing like "prescience" or "telepathy" : only exists through the process that sufferer's more likely to notice sustaining examples than disproving examples. ☟︎
asciilifeform: it's a thing like agility, or strength ( rather than height, or cock girth, etc )
mircea_popescu: really its only practical function is anxiety modulation in the waking state.
mircea_popescu: intelligence is, imo, very much like the concept of "luck", or dreamlike causation : the retrofitted imaginary "cause", constructed retrospectively. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: yes, but intelligence is not a thing.
asciilifeform: dunno, e.g. pb poisoning, is a thing
mircea_popescu: no such fucking thing, it's exactly like genetics -- genetically present traits may or may not phenotypically manifest. but if they do not -- THEY WERE NEVER THERE.
mircea_popescu: i do not belive, since we're doign disbeliefs, in this starry-eyed view of intelligence where it's a gift, like ambidexterity, or a property, like penis size, and "life can enhance or dishance it".
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: near as i could tell, d00d had plenty of native intelligence. but grew up in the circus, and so knows nuffin but idjit acrobatics.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i have little confidence in this "all humans born human" hopes.
BingoBoingo forgot how awful amoxicillin tastes in suspension
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I said no, I don't need the note. If I go back I'll get one the next time
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: but are these born ? or bonsaikittened into existence
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform douchebag is pretty much the only thing i don't really want. "Once complete the children are sorted by score, and the bottom thirdi is sold by open outcry (the males are neutered first)." and all that.
BingoBoingo: I was also asked if I wanted a note to take off from work, because apparently that is what 80% of the other ER walkins were there for
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how's that ?
asciilifeform: came up in the recent douchebag threads also. ( worx great, apparently, for keeping douchebag et al on the treadmill )
mircea_popescu: ie, they're for young boys with little value.
mircea_popescu: they only work on low information voters ("coincidentally", the only sort of voter her most pantsuited hilarity ever wants).
asciilifeform: 'tournaments' seem to work. in particular in that starving 'hopers' will jump livelier and higher than 50k 'it's my day jerb' folx.
mircea_popescu: but... ima take it.
a111: Logged on 2013-12-15 01:18 mircea_popescu: a tournament market, like typiocally the 1mn starlets waiting tables in hollywood is there to exploit labour.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-12 20:38 mircea_popescu: ok. let's go back to the original tournament market, the hollywood studio.
mircea_popescu: pretty sure io had a write-up re hollywood, but now can't turn it up.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu ^ in there somewhere
asciilifeform: !#s tournament market
BingoBoingo: Doctor took a look and wrote the antibiotic script
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do you recall right off where the cannonical statement of "why pay 10mn dorks 50k each when could pick 3 to pay 10mn ea and let the rest hope" lottery tickets thread lives ?
asciilifeform: in usa just walking through that door would be a $1000+ ding
BingoBoingo: After checking in at the desk maybe 45 minutes of waiting
BingoBoingo: Walked to the emergency room after calling and finding every clinic appointment slot booked until next week
BingoBoingo: Verdict is tonsilitis ☟︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the matter is extensively documented on trilema at that. cost me a few grand, but hey, can't have free science.
a111: Logged on 2018-06-12 03:03 Mocky: ahahaha shoemoney and his mfa check for $130k made out to 'nextpimp', man what a decade
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-12#1823658 << this item. 80 years worth of "highest paid man/woman/dog in hollywood" rolled into one ☝︎
asciilifeform: hey, 'spreading -- works!', subscribe to google ads and get the 'asked-for' number of 'clicks' (from bots, but who promised anyffing in particular)
mircea_popescu: not so for alphabet, paid that moron a mn a decade ago, its groupon is STILL GOING. and htey're claiming however many billions
mircea_popescu: somehow hollywood had to pay millions in salaries to the few selected chumnps in its entire existence to keep the flow of waitresses going
mircea_popescu: 100% of that entirely fictitious pile is built out of a generalized belief that there is such a thing as "adwords" and it does exchange money, and well... that guy was the early (and really, only) winner of that lottery market.
mircea_popescu: you're familiar with how alphabet co pretends to have income ?
asciilifeform: ( my model dun differ so much from mircea_popescu's, aside from where i lump the digg & reddit waves together in lump element, afaik they consisted of largely same lost souls )
asciilifeform: i missed this one
mircea_popescu: then there's a digg cycle, and then there's a reddit cycle. and there probably was a small one in between, with wordpress and "shoemoney" and "web20" etc.
mircea_popescu: i mean, 1993 was cycle 1. then there was the wikitardia thing, alongside "slashdot" and "fark" and so on. that was defo 2.
mircea_popescu: and i think w'ere really on cycle 5
asciilifeform: after a coupla cycles of this, what history possibly left.
mircea_popescu: sadly tokyo doesn't enjoy a lengthy history APART from the moron invasion.
mircea_popescu: buncha fucken turtles. but the problem is, as ~100% of the population is coming to town from the first time, well... ~THE TOWN~ ends up consisting of what first time towners think the town's like.
mircea_popescu: in fact, 80% or more of what passes fro "creative" these days, ie shitty cable shows and "stand up comedy" consist entirely of "recognition porn". turtles visiting tokyo, "hey, turtle from osaka, you too thought the tram was a large dog ?!" "yes turtle from kyoto, that's exactly what i thought when i first saw a tram, did you think so too ?!" "yes this is a brilliant idea to think".
mircea_popescu: a converse way to look at it would be to say that online atomization overrepresents schelling points
mircea_popescu: this hallucination of the adolescent mind that "definitely lots of chicks in cemetery, now if only could find right place to dig".
asciilifeform: imho biggest surprise re mircea_popescu's fetlife dig is that any actual chix turned up at all. i wouldn't have expected there were any.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform thinking about it, the discussed problem re spam, http://trilema.com/2015/you-know-what-gets-no-airplay-unflattering-truth/#selection-931.0-931.721 is exactly borne of the same fount that gave us "transsexuals", yes.
mircea_popescu: by the time you have to employ alien tech to extract some useful out of the pile, ocean-sifters of epic scale purpose built etc...
asciilifeform: in reality mostly bots talking to one another. with the occasional meatbot in the mix.
mircea_popescu: there's just this baked in assumption that "LOT OUYT THERE!!!" when in fact there is ~0, not even epsilon, outright ~0, out there.
mircea_popescu: it's defo fucked up the worldview of the pleb. http://trilema.com/2017/fake-news-are-just-one-tail-of-the-failed-female-state/ doesn't even begin to do the topic justice.
asciilifeform: the aolization of the net created this illusion; is what gave us spam, 'marketing', pestilential ads
a111: Logged on 2016-03-31 15:52 mircea_popescu: and the start and end of it all is, these atrocious fucktards, who think "sadly there's too many bars" and the whole surface of club in buenos aires would fit in one sane club in a sane place,
mircea_popescu: apparently there's nothing quite as destructive of the human mind than insistently inculcated & socialized conviction that "there's a lot out there". i liveblogged how this fucked up argentina, ( http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-31#1442615 will have to do, i can't find the original discussion with the local dork now) and well... ☝︎
asciilifeform: ( 'played role to the end! growled as he expired! posthumous award of order-of-lenin!' )
asciilifeform: in sov. urban legendology there is a persistent, if not particularly plausible, tale, that some d00d had been given the job of dressing up in bear costume for brezhnev's safaris, and eventually shot
mircea_popescu: 3. thirtysomething has spent most of his formative sexual years pretending to be female. well...
mircea_popescu: 2. twentysomething "has learned something from his journey", proceeds to explore the vast echo chambers of "social" media with IMPROVED TOOLS!!! he has paper cutout placeholder chix 'so others come' nao, he is sly and urban nao, all those "other losers" that don't think of this (null set) be damned.
mircea_popescu: 1. teenager goes on journey. finds no mate.
mircea_popescu: rmed by Soviet mass culture? Mass-cultural statements are constantly in the process of making themselves true by causing people to experience their common lives in those terms." :
mircea_popescu: we could restate the life narrative of the millenian in the terminology of "It may be argued that what is wrong with Soviet art is not that it restricts itself to the common experience but that its version of that experience is false; were it faithfully to reflect the true experience of the Soviet masses it might be valid art. But how can one speak of a common Soviet experience without taking into account that it itself is fo
asciilifeform: sorta why the ancients distrusted theatre actors, neh
asciilifeform: 'you are what you pretend to be'(tm)(r) eh