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a111: Logged on 2017-01-25 17:57 asciilifeform: unrelatedly, if phf or anybody else has a copy of mulisp-90, plz to post.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform re report, ima put in the amateurships yea
asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/stoutemyer/index.html << for the l0gz, and for all 'derive' aficionados.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-04 12:56 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-03#1892217 <-- for some reason, I took zenofeller to be a proto-trilema. I archived some of the posts, I think some of them can still be dug via archive.org
a111: Logged on 2015-09-07 21:39 ascii_field: ;;later tell gabriel_laddel http://www.sigsam.org/bulletin/articles/178/stoutemyer.pdf << some actual implementation details re: 'derive' & 'mulisp'
asciilifeform: i'ma de-pdfize the 1 and only piece of archaeology known to have been written on subj , http://btcbase.org/log/2015-09-07#1265693 , brb ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-24 01:51 asciilifeform: i'll point out that mulisp (47kB) included bignum (again, in asm)
asciilifeform: (aficionados - plox to write in if find this)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the ver of derive.exe that i have, has the runtime from -87 baked in
asciilifeform: i haven't yet encountered a version with 'derive' in the rom out of the box, but entirely possib that they sold one
mircea_popescu: so is this the mulisp 90 then ?
asciilifeform: 95lx was the 1st model of same
asciilifeform: runs 'derive' just fine if you write it to the sram
asciilifeform: it's an ordinary dos box, with the dos in rom
mircea_popescu: and the derive people announced it has a lisp also.
mircea_popescu: hp made this tiny, "can't decide if laptop or pocket calculartor" item\
a111: Logged on 2015-09-13 08:26 BingoBoingo: Oh, TI-92 arrived yesterday. Much larger than I imagined
asciilifeform: i dunno re palm, but there was (and remains sold!) a 68k thing that runs on the ti calculator
mircea_popescu: was the 90s thing that mulisp-xt or w/e, on the palm ?
asciilifeform: ( this one also existed for cp/m and z80 )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: at least 4, there was a '-83' also
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sadly 'mu' aint all that helpful for writing a hand-carved lisp -- it's in 16bit asm and has the segmentation bullshit intimately baked into it
mircea_popescu: so there's actually 3 ? ha.
asciilifeform: have that 1 somewhere also, but will have to be pulled from optical disk if someone wants it specifically
mircea_popescu: i thought it was 86.
asciilifeform: http://loper-os.org/pub/mu/DERIVE.EXE , http://loper-os.org/pub/mu/mulisp.com << the latter is 'mulisp-87', there is also a '-90' that i was never able to track down.
mircea_popescu: im sure eg spyked would love ot give it a gander -- maybe he thereby learns asm and becomes as smart as ave1 for one, and maybe it helps his adalisp for the other. ☟︎
asciilifeform: gotta fix this, brb
mircea_popescu: you know asciilifeform ... just cutting out the asm lisp compiler and putting it on loper may be a huge boon.
asciilifeform also has a ~decade-long on&off proj to reverse the thing properly. but not much movement on that front since tuning into tmsr.
mircea_popescu: i dunno what it was, but the only fucking time i threatened a wanna-be teacher with shooting in my life. dork was derealized enough to think i was kidding.
asciilifeform: most victims of this type of 'education' carry only 1 or 2 nervous ticks, e.g. paren-phobia , into adulthood
mircea_popescu: the annoying part is, i hated it so much i don't even have any distinct memory sufficient to identify wtf it even was.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there's 3 generations of maffs students to whom 'lisp' means precisely this
mircea_popescu: you will be nonplussed to hear that my only mental model for php is this "lisp" thing they had for "especially bright kids to learn how to computer" bla bla back when i was a teen.
asciilifeform: mp-wp seems to work great , but asciilifeform hobbles when tryin' to modify it, php feels inescapably like cobol when i work with it
asciilifeform has at various times attempted cl blogotron, but broke teeth on acct of insufficient wwwfu. if spyked decides to genesis his, would seriously consider converting
a111: Logged on 2019-02-04 12:54 spyked: more generally: although I've been tempted to switch to mp-wp, I'm still hoping to grow the current thetarpit code base into a minimal cl-based mp-wp-like blogotron. I'ma also put a genesis on the todo list.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-04#1892247 << see how comms trip you up ? had you ~said~ this much i'd have said very different things, because i entirely don't see the problem with a cl blogotron. ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2019-02-04 12:52 spyked: re http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-03#1892216 , http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-03#1892221 : a) do you mean the alt "title=..." text? I'll add it to the list of things to look into; b) pingback delivery is for now a manual process. will also have to add automation to thetarpit feature list
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-04#1892244 << manual how ? i have a script somewhere doing it for trilema, want me to dig it out ? ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: good % was ( i admit, did not eat the whole collection, was snoar )
mircea_popescu: but yes, if one was aiming to alt-pantsuit jirinovski status, that's the right play.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform problem being, those are shockingly fucking stupid.
asciilifeform: yarvin's original claim to fame (of a kind) was a short and abortive attempt at this, he dug up a buncha confederate/slavery/etc texts and mirrored/commented
mircea_popescu: but lardner, who ever talked of the most important american writer in the us ? and WHY NOT ?
mircea_popescu: there's ALWAYS a denied middle in everything pantsuit does. shakespeare, it perceives it has no choice but to talk about, because a) "too big to fail" and b) whatever, "we'll '''antibody it away anyway".
mircea_popescu: shakespeare isn't even the major problem ; the major problem are the english greats pantsuit ~deliberately~ ain't talking about, because very much http://trilema.com/2014/in-which-you-become-grain/ sorta reasons
asciilifeform: cuz it's headed to http://www.loper-os.org/?p=752#selection-99.0-217.84 .
asciilifeform: yea won't dispute that oughta back up the shakespear etc
asciilifeform: http://flibusta.is is asciilifeform's routine 'gutenberg', been a while since i looked at the actual one ☟︎
mircea_popescu: never take pantsuit useful sites for granted ; they're always useful momentarily and coincidentally, because pantsuit is always more pantsuit than anything else, and the only thing pantsuit is is stupid, thus therefore useless and annoying.
asciilifeform: would suck to have it end up like 'dejanews' et al.
mircea_popescu: totally must-be-done tho, lest the BingoBoingo 's of the future end up missing out on their soulfood.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: apparently gutenberg is rsync'able ( https://archive.is/PWeNA ) , tho i haven't tried
mircea_popescu: should prolly also salvage http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/ but that's going to be more work than a straight download & strip headers job.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-15 23:50 mircea_popescu: which incidentally - has been read TODAY by more people than read ALL of marcel proust's works since the making of gutenberg.org
mircea_popescu: incidentally, either spyked or lobbes what do you need to make a complete gutenberg.org copy ? it IS going away, for one thing the initiator guy died and for the other thing, with their world-famous http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-15#1627828 there's no way they'll stay online all that long. ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: 'To sane humans, such a character is bewildering, but let's not forget an important piece of the puzzle. Jim Blow isn't there for sane humans. He's there for a very specific category of defective human minds. They call themselves "hackers" or something like that, and the rest of the world calls them nerds. ' << a++ imho
mircea_popescu: spyked that's what i mean. it\s very convenient when reading short footnotes
asciilifeform: spyked: i have that b00k, and liked
spyked: asciilifeform, also related to "zeno" http://trilema.com/2009/am-scris-o-carte/
asciilifeform took 1 single 'day off' and nao buried in tall pile of various chores. will slowly eat log buffer later today.
asciilifeform: ( ftr nuffin asciilifeform wrote in that period is imho worth the electrons. the only own item i even bothered pickling & preserving from that time, is http://www.loper-os.org/vintage/parallelsid/parasid.html )
a111: Logged on 2019-02-04 12:56 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-03#1892217 <-- for some reason, I took zenofeller to be a proto-trilema. I archived some of the posts, I think some of them can still be dug via archive.org
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-04#1892248 << 1st i hear of the name, seems to be at least coupla diff people. tho dug up a https://archive.is/WnZJY , which reads almost trilema-like... ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: also can include the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-30#1890719 lul, if there's space. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-02-04 03:34 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anything we want ot include in this month's s.nsa report ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-04#1892238 << possibly oughta include the tidbit re arithmetical part of ffa being 100% built (can gen rsa primez nao, can do so easily after ch17, where looping is introduced) ☝︎
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-03#1892217 <-- for some reason, I took zenofeller to be a proto-trilema. I archived some of the posts, I think some of them can still be dug via archive.org ☝︎☟︎☟︎
spyked: more generally: although I've been tempted to switch to mp-wp, I'm still hoping to grow the current thetarpit code base into a minimal cl-based mp-wp-like blogotron. I'ma also put a genesis on the todo list. ☟︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2019-02-03 22:33 diana_coman: spyked, fwiw I did not get the pingback from your blog either
a111: Logged on 2019-02-03 21:04 mircea_popescu: but i must protest re your blogotron that a) whay do footnote anchors not load the footnote in a hoover overlay! and b) whay does it send no pingbacks ? (or does it, did trilema eat them ?)
spyked: re http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-03#1892216 , http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-03#1892221 : a) do you mean the alt "title=..." text? I'll add it to the list of things to look into; b) pingback delivery is for now a manual process. will also have to add automation to thetarpit feature list ☝︎☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2019-02-03 21:04 mircea_popescu: spyked nice article! it might even end up the current linkpoint for the various http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-25#1889920 lost souls, "here, we know the future" item.
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-03#1892214 <-- o hey, ty! ☝︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anything we want ot include in this month's s.nsa report ? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: need i mention that this is SUCH a wonderfully elegant device for checking exactly what we're interested in checking.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-03 17:20 mircea_popescu: hanbot pick a laptop, bake the man's cuntoo. (principal issue, that gentoo->cuntoo "bridge", see if his sig matches).
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-03#1892053 << updated sig can be found in the comments here >> http://trinque.org/2018/11/27/cuntoo-bootstrapper/#comment-52 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-01-31 01:54 asciilifeform: (possibly the only gavin still going from that period?)
BingoBoingo working on a "You know me Al!" post for the reason that I still have quite a bit of hayseed stuck in my headcase
BingoBoingo: Opening up communication continues to pay dividends.
BingoBoingo: I indeed focused on the changes. Everything about your proposal appears materially better than what I've been doing so far. Thank you for the constructive feedback, I'm going to implement it starting with the statement update.
diana_coman: I suppose being "updates" you focused only on what changed in the week covered but A. it makes it very difficult to follow because there's no help to re-load Pizarro issues (maybe just a list of issues at the end with dates and carried over until issue fully addressed?) and B. if nothing happened on crucial issues, it's best to keep them pinging at least
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: When do you anticipate having brain space/time available to revisit the mechanization thread? ☟︎
BingoBoingo: The January 14th mega update indeed opened a lot of threads.
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: ty, approved.
diana_coman: the way it reads now, Jan 14 update has a lot of things starting and then by Feb3rd nothing is heard of them at all
diana_coman: it would be great to follow up all points/threads started in earlier updates really so they don't get lost
diana_coman: spyked, fwiw I did not get the pingback from your blog either ☟︎
BingoBoingo: Meanwhile in local news, derps dedicated to ritually dirtying local waters derping about the water already being dirty https://www.montevideo.com.uy/Noticias/Afroumbandistas-reclaman-que-no-celebraron-Iemanja-en-paz-por-las-cianobacterias-uc709088
mircea_popescu: i expect phf at the very least will muchly love a republican drakma.
mircea_popescu: but i must protest re your blogotron that a) whay do footnote anchors not load the footnote in a hoover overlay! and b) whay does it send no pingbacks ? (or does it, did trilema eat them ?) ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2019-01-25 18:29 mircea_popescu: what have you learned in the intervening half decade then ?
mircea_popescu: spyked nice article! it might even end up the current linkpoint for the various http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-25#1889920 lost souls, "here, we know the future" item. ☝︎☟︎☟︎
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/you-know-me-all/ << Trilema -- You know me, all!
BingoBoingo: Anyway, so far all of today's logs go back to Cuntoo
BingoBoingo: But the kids will dream
BingoBoingo: Naturally the question is moot, because Allan's bitches will blow it all on furniture